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Post by lugia on Mar 14, 2009 21:52:48 GMT -5
I think they showed the bathroom after Ibiza when Judith had a date with Constantin. I was thinking about this, too, and the last scene I could come up with was when Judith was picking out shirts for her date with Constantin, with Christian in the bathtub (aired Nov. 17). I think the last time we got to see the Ollian room was during their Ibiza fight.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 29, 2009 16:49:20 GMT -5
Somebody should totally make a list of all the current sets VL has. Let's see Schneiders (one all in one room) No Limits (one all in one room) flatshares Ollian living room Hallway between the two flats Gregor/Stella living room Carla's penthouse Living room (used by Tansgar, last seen when Adrian tried to steal the fax) Hangar Living Area (probabyl a set) Helicopter tool area (probably a location) Brandner house Living Area Outside view of the outside door Matthias bedroom Lahnstein Holding Entry area including an elevator and a secretary's desk Carla's office (including sex couch) Sebastian's office Elisabeth's office? Is this a permanent set? What about the meeting room where Ansgar humiliated Carla in front of a bunch of department heads? [is Elisabeth's office new btw?] Castle Kitchen Entry area including staircase Living Room (piano room; or is that the same as the living room) Dining room Study Luise's quarters (living room + bedroom, connected) Saleo's quarters (bedroom + bathroom) Sebastian's room Ansgar's bedroom (last seen during Tansgar sex quite a while ago) Stella's office Not seen recently Ollian bathroom Ollian bedroom Tanja's office (former VA Faces) including Olivia and Kitty's secretary's desk Definitely gone Hospital waiting area and hospital bedrooms
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Post by Nitty on Mar 29, 2009 17:40:17 GMT -5
...I really hope they don't get rid of the Ollian bedroom/bathroom sets...there is still so much they could be used for. *wink wink*And the hospital? The blue Ikea tables bugged me...they screamed: "these are cheap crappy tables from Ikea that sure don't belong in a hospital waiting room!!!" (I have 2 of them in my apartment...but in pink) There is also 1 or 2 in Gregor's apartment (black?)...remember Sebastian hitting his head on one? hehehe Anyways, it's good that there's no hospital...no one will ever get hurt again!!! Oh, and the silver mirror in the Ollian bathroom that's attached to the wall and u can pull it out...yano what I mean?...well, I have that too...also from Ikea. I put a claw clip on mine...to be like Judith. FYI: said mirror proves that the Ollian bathroom is definitely a set...cuz u have to screw the mirror into the wall to attatch it properly and it looks like the set designers have it coming out of an area that should be tile...the tile would have shattered!!
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Post by flippa on Mar 29, 2009 18:04:36 GMT -5
that's hilarious- I noticed the IKEA tables in Gregor's apartment too- mainly cos I used to have the exact same ones, until I managed to afford better ones- and I just thought it looked terrible in his pad, since he's supposed to be (or was until lately) this pretty well off guy, owning his own cafe and set of apartments, surely he could spring to some decent furniture??!!
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 29, 2009 18:16:07 GMT -5
I don't think that it has to be gone. I remember the Matthias bedroom was only used once in blue moon (Katja angsted there a bunch of times in summer, then Katja's dead body was put there and I think Matthias has angsted there once this year), but obviously it's still there.
I would love an interview with the guys about new No Limits when it is revealed. I want to know whatever happened to the couch Thore mentioned he loved so much.
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Post by Zam on Mar 29, 2009 18:22:53 GMT -5
Somebody should totally make a list of all the current sets VL has. Lola, I love ya, but you need a hobby! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by lugia on Mar 29, 2009 19:06:17 GMT -5
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Post by lugia on Mar 29, 2009 19:22:50 GMT -5
I kinda think that the living area of the hangar is the hospital set. I think Lars Korten even mentioned they had to take it down to make room for the hangar. There's this unneeded hallway on the right, which might be the former hospital hallway.
Luise's rooms might be the former VA Faces? Since Lola mentioned the secretary area, it really was quite big overall and that could now be her bedroom? But it still looks too huge for anything that was there before.
What I can't figure is that since the Ollian bedroom has the wooden roof supports that are also in the living room and Gregor's apartment, would they really dismantle that?
I'm not sure if in the new designs windows and doors would have to be in the same spot. That would make it easier to compare structures and replacements rather than just going by size or which sets have not appeared on TV anymore. IMO, it's a blank stage and you can built it whichever way you want.
All the rooms only have the back side anyway, since the cameras are positioned in the viewer's perspective. Just Schneiders and No Limits have 360° options because of the bar.
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Post by chrollifan on Mar 29, 2009 19:34:42 GMT -5
There is a new alleyway set, where Maria spied last week. I believe that it was probably hospital's waiting area before.
I thought that it was the same office what Carla and Elisabeth are using most of the time.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 30, 2009 1:19:10 GMT -5
Ah good. I do think that certain sets can be put on a break for a long time. I remember Sebastian's bedroom was used quite a lot for Sebastian moping earlier in the LySeb storyline. Then it seemed to go mostly on a break when the story shifted more to Lydia and her freakouts and now it's back in full force. The most extreme case is probably Leo's bedroom. It was used quite a lot when Jana was still around (back then it still had that greenish look). Then it went away for maybe 6-8 months while Leo didn't have a storyline. Even his "giving advice" moments with Elisabeth, Carla and Constantin always took place elsewhere. But when Sarah came back, so did the bedroom. Compared to: So I think maybe they actually did dismantle it and "put it into the attic"? And then they can just bring it back and rebuild it if the storyline requires it? Maybe that is what happened to the Ollian places. Then again, if Leo's bedroom was actually dismantled around the time of Jana's death, where did it go? I can't think of any set that showed up the first time around that time period. There is a Königsbrunn hallyway that we have seen a bunch of times. Most recently when Maria sneaked off to get a look at the necklace. But to me that kinda always looked more like a location to me becaue of the lighting. Or do you mean a different one? But following that logic, wouldn't whatever old set was turned into the Ollian set also have had that slanted roof? Because I don't really remember any place that had that before. It's pretty obvious that they got rid of the Blue Ice set around the time Chroust arrived, so I assume at least some of those set got turned into Ollian sets. But it almost seems like the Blue Ice had more sets than showed up? Top of my head, I know it had the living area (where Olli has his first chat with Olivia and Coco), it had the balcony type area, it had a kitchen, a bathroom (for a change: neither connected to any other main room). I think even Jana's bedroom was seen a bunch of times. And of course the actual Blue Ice club room. Compared to that, what showed up? Ollian bedroom, Ollian bathroom, maybe Sebastian's room? Especially since Adrian also seemed to be losing some sets around this time period. And VA Faces came out of Adrian's old office. One set that I have to admit has always confused me was Katja's hotel room. From the look/lighting it kinda looked like an actual set but it was pretty much exclusive only to a very short storyline (Katja lives in a hotel room for like two months and then goes back home). I'm guessing Fabian's room was a location shoot as well because I think it showed up exactly 2 times. When he had sex with Lisa there and when he had sex with Judith there and broke up with her. There is also the "cabin". Is it always the same cabin for: () Ollian () LySeb first sex () Judith/Fabian first sex (and also when Lydia and Christian tricked them to spend the night there)
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 30, 2009 1:33:13 GMT -5
Think of it as a form of spoilers/spoiler specualtion And since there are no actual spoilers for Ollian lately we are stuck speculating about their sets.
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Post by Zam on Mar 30, 2009 2:59:00 GMT -5
(SCREAMS BLOODY MURDER BECAUSE MY POST DISAPPEARED WHILE I WAS TYPING IT!) Take two... LOLA - MWAH! Since RTL/Das Erste is close to what we in the US would refer to as "public" television, they are going to want to pinch pennies and re-use/re-dress certain items they have in their props/ furniture/ costume/ walls departments. I have a friend who works in regional theatre here in the States, and his company does just that. In addition, they frequently rent out items they have in storage, or may sell items based on storage needs or because the buyer wants to keep it. So... when a "permanent" set like the soon-to-be OLD NoLimits is finally dismantled, the cups, chairs, tables, flowers, glassware, etc. all goes into the mythical attic. The "branded" props (such as NL mugs, etc) may be sold or re-dressed/re-branded for use in another restaurant/home set at some point down the road. Claudia gave a vid tour of the soundstage once, and she did a walk-thru of the prop warehouse. www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0KzlmR1Ubc&translated=1Shelves and shelves of cups, soft goods (cloth, blankets, curtains), chairs, etc. etc. This is common on large shows such as this as well as in theatre. Saves them from having to purchase these things over and over like if we see the Ollian bedroom again, they won't have to try to find a new Erwin. He's on a shelf as we speak. Plus, what do you do if a long-lost and presumed-dead spouse shows up with trinkets or other special things that haven't been seen since the days of Jan & Julia? Maybe they're back there. Maybe not. Some have asked about the comfy couches from NL. They will likely go into the attic as well. Same with generic walls from sets that are not "permanent" (like the Castle foyer, or Schneiders, or the flat-share). The Ollian bedroom likely sits quiet and lonely in several pieces in that attic until "the next time." If Luise's suite looks like an old recycled office set, it probably is, just redressed/painted/made to look all sparkling castle-new. But those with a watchful eye may see the NL comfy couch or chairs or tables or anything else familiar start popping up on other TV shows. I'm sure RTL/Das Erste Studios has a big database full of props and furniture and other stuff that other shows they produce might purchase or borrow. Yes, they may be re-upholstered/re-painted, or maybe they will just appear as we last saw them. Just on a different show. Hey, I wouldn't be surprised either if Sarah's wardrobe doesn't start making the rounds after she leaves the show. This is simply the long way of saying: Yes, Virginia, there is an attic.
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Post by lugia on Mar 30, 2009 5:27:56 GMT -5
There is a Königsbrunn hallyway that we have seen a bunch of times. Most recently when Maria sneaked off to get a look at the necklace. But to me that kinda always looked more like a location to me becaue of the lighting. Or do you mean a different one? Nope, that's a set. I can tell because screencaps of sets have a black border on the left and right sides, while location shoots footage doesn't. I don't know whether they're using different cameras or what causes it (since I would think the dimensions are made to fit during editing ), but it's aired that way over digital satellite. I think you raised the pertinent question: can they shelf sets and later rebuilt them? Maybe the flatshare above the Blue Ice is now Luise's set? Dunno what it might've been used for in between. What was Adrian's hotel room/apartment? He was hiding out there when he had Sophia kidnapped. I don't think I was watching yet when he had an office. Well, for sci fi shows they sometimes build new sets every episode and only have a handful of standing sets. Maybe VL has this room they can change to their needs? It seems to me that they have set designers employed permanently and only use the big guns for No Limits and stuff. Fabian's room. But Lisa also had a room.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 30, 2009 5:37:14 GMT -5
Darn, zam, now you make me want to check whether the new No Limits chairs are recolored old chairs. I have to say though, so far I haven't really noticed much reuse of prop items. Clothes yes, but items not so much. Though I have to admit I didn't look for it. As long as Erwin doesn't suddenly show up in somebody else's bedroom Still what I'm confused about, are there such things like (mostly) permanent sets? Or do they have like two or three soundstages that they turn into the required set at the beginning of the day and take away at the end? Because that doesn't seem very practical to me. Somehow I always imagined it more like a wharehouse with let's say 10 rooms for the main sets. And once a set has been built it stands there till it is demoted and only gets dusted off (plus lights gets added when things are shot). Because it does seem like some sets are in heavy rotation. Like once they gave Leo a bedroom again they have been using it a lot with about half the SaLeo scenes taking place in there. But if a set disappears it really seems to disappear quite thouroughly with characters making excuses and sometimes cheesy workarounds as for why they aren't going into that room. So I wonder how many spots they have (and if they just have ranted just one lot that would also suggest that there is a limited number of sets they can have at once). And which sets are semi permanent like this. Hence, my interest. Because if the Ollian set has been put into the attic that would mean in the reverse that if it ever showed up again it would mean a bigger story. Because once they bother taking it down again that means they intend to use it (like the SaLeo bedroom). Though if one looks at the SaLeo room it would also indicate that maybe when it comes back it might come back with a makeover (not really the worst thing since people have talked about how it can be kinda icky that the room hasn't changed as much from the Coco days). Of course it's also possible that it's just one of the sets that is still there and just not used as frequently. That's a good point. Maybe they have a small one that can work for stuff like hotel rooms and such. But on the other hand, if it was that easy to make a non-permanent set, how come they don't do that for the hospital set? After all it really consisted only for a white room with some waiting chairs? Yet the hospital set seems to really be gone permanently because rather than putting a table and some chairs into a room they instead opted to shoot a whole bunch of scenes on location rather than do that.
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Post by lugia on Mar 30, 2009 5:48:50 GMT -5
Some have asked about the comfy couches from NL. They will likely go into the attic as well. I get what you're saying, especially regarding general, smaller props, but I doubt they keep outdated designs around. Some of the furniture is pretty modern, like Gregor's grey fabric couch. It's all the rage right now! The NL couch might be reused (maybe even on other productions), but I'm thinking of that stuff from the Tom/Ulli days. Nobody wants their show to look like the late 80s! So maybe they do get rid of stuff over time. Furniture isn't that expensive if they shop at Ikea and stuff and they're buying wardrobe and makeup and fresh flower arrangements, too. What I'm dwelling on is the actual construction work required. You could put the walls and windows in the same spot, but would you be able to reproduce the exact look, wallpapers, floor, Christian's room had this tiny balcony... It seems a bit more risky than just storing Erwin somewhere. Also, the noise! You can hear the No Limits noise in the background all the time! Maybe they're better at the make-believe thing than I give them credit for! ;D Those stuff basically is just cardboard. There probably is quite the sharing going on. I spotted someone with Olli's shirt in a different color on "Gute Zeiten, Schlechte Zeiten" before. But I think the question still is, which sets are standing right now and which were dismantled? If Luise got an insanely huge suite, chances are a lot of future scenes will take place there. And if the Ollian bedroom is gone, they likely will plan scenes between them in the main room of the flatshare (like when Lydia and Jens had sex on the couch). But like Lola said, some people got sets and not a lot of scenes took place there / the characters weren't leads. So I wouldn't get overexcited, either, if Judith suddenly got a room.
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Post by lugia on Mar 30, 2009 6:06:40 GMT -5
Still what I'm confused about, are there such things like (mostly) permanent sets? Or do they have like two or three soundstages that they turn into the required set at the beginning of the day and take away at the end? Because that doesn't seem very practical to me. I think it's pretty safe to say that the castle stuff is a standing set (the kitchen!). On Atlantis, they had standing sets like the stargate room (it had multiple floors like the penthouse) and actually a village set that was redecorated for SG-1, but you could always recognize! The sets specific to that episode were built from scratch, though, and they took pride in creating a movie every week. VL probably has standings sets (hello, No Limits!) AND soundstages. Jo was asked to give a run-through of the standing sets once and it was too many to count. ;D Wasn't there a set visit on DasErste the other day? Mascha's first day? I think the rooms are physically very near to each other. Like, you can look directly at the penthouse from Luise's room. I think there are larger constructions (the Lahnstein stairs), and sets that fit into a single room with an "on air" sign outside. I still don't get why Gregor's set was remodeled that much between the Rebecca and Jens days. LOL. Can you imagine how much more expensive that was?
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Post by lugia on Mar 30, 2009 6:11:34 GMT -5
I knew this discussion was familiar! Back in 2001, the "Farscape" fans were really obsessive about spotting recycled furniture and frell-ups of any kind. I don't think we've reached that level yet! ;D
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 30, 2009 6:24:48 GMT -5
I tend to look for bad/odd lighting in a scene when trying to spot location shoots. Like Gregor and Sarah's wedding night, Lars and Susanne's sex in his room, or Kitty's appartment where she seduced Lars. Since of course when they shoot in a real room you can't properly light from the top.
It's just weird because some of those rooms were really simple. Again, why not just put a bed/cot into a changable room? (though I guess they would have to buy a bunch of beds then)
Same for Lydia and Jens doing it on the Ollian couch rather than them creating a quick room for her.
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Post by chango on Mar 30, 2009 6:29:36 GMT -5
I think the rooms are physically very near to each other. Like, you can look directly at the penthouse from Luise's room. I'm sure of that. I remember WDR did an interview with the actor who played Felix at the studios once (must have been back in 2005 or 2006). They placed him within the 'Blue Ice' set for the interview and during a number of camera movements one could spot small parts of certain castle sets (kitchen, dining room) near the nightclub set.
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Post by lugia on Mar 30, 2009 7:13:10 GMT -5
I tend to look for bad/odd lighting in a scene when trying to spot location shoots. Me too. Adrian's horrible apartment that Ansgar rented for him was also a location shoot. You could hear the nearby street an the lighting was really off. Way too bright. Yeah, it's strange. Maybe they would feel tied down to it because of continuity? Although John Sheppard's room on Atlantis never looked the same, either, and he was the lead character. They just threw a cot in a room and were done.
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Post by Zam on Mar 30, 2009 12:36:35 GMT -5
But I think the question still is, which sets are standing right now and which were dismantled? If Luise got an insanely huge suite, chances are a lot of future scenes will take place there. And if the Ollian bedroom is gone, they likely will plan scenes between them in the main room of the flatshare (like when Lydia and Jens had sex on the couch). That probably changes from day to day. Previous interviews have said they have two soundstages. maybe it's one for filming, and the other is for storage/construction/etc? Just spec on my part. Previous interviews have also said that they tend to film many, if not all of the scenes on a particular set for the whole week, in one day. Maybe they'll do Schneider's daytime scenes on Monday, for example, where the crew wouldn't have to re-hang/re-focus lights. They would just have to re-set props, actors, extras and cameras based on what the scenes called for. Then all the other nighttime scenes might be shot the following day. Minimizes expenses that way, IMHO. While it's a logistical nightmare for production, it would explain varying call times' for actors to come to the studio As an example, if the Brandner living room is not a set that is always standing, or the penthouse, those would be set up during non-shooting hours, filmed on the day they're needed, and then struck after filming is completed. I suspect at least the castle foyer is one that would be "permanent" given the complicated nature of the construction. It's not impossible to strike the staircase, but it's not cost-effective (to me) to hire in a crew every week or so to dismantle it and put it back together--especially since it's two-storeys. Whether or not the rooms to either side of it are always standing is another question. There is a youtube video out there of the final episode of the US soap Santa Barbara (RIP!), where in the final final credits they showed the peeps behind scenes. The last person they showed was walking through an empty studio, but sets lines either wall with maybe a 20' aisle between them, for cameras and the crew. I suspect, based on how big the studios are, the VL setup is similar. Any empty space is wasted space. Compare it to ATWT where it's hard to believe they have more than one set for all of the hotel rooms at the Lakeview. (CHEAP!) Sets or parts of them might be re-used more often than we know. Again, this is all spec on my part.
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Post by lugia on Mar 30, 2009 20:01:33 GMT -5
Previous interviews have also said that they tend to film many, if not all of the scenes on a particular set for the whole week, in one day. Maybe they'll do Schneider's daytime scenes on Monday, for example, where the crew wouldn't have to re-hang/re-focus lights. The soap filming schedule has fascinated me for awhile. They always say that Monday is practice and Wed-Fri is location shoots (just two days in winter). What puzzles me is when do directors have time to prep? On hour-long US dramas, directors prep for a whole week and shoot the second week. Also, the editors. It's a nightmare to do screencaps when actors wear the same clothes two eps in a row. I couldn't imagine keeping track of all those scenes when shooting them all on the same day. The mark at the beginning is probably all they can go by. But the actors don't have that luxury. They need to know when this will air in the storyline. I think I would just cling to my text like Anne Wis. ;D Which brings us to the budget in comparison with other DasErste soaps. I don't watch any of them, but, say, "Lindenstrasse" has a whole street as a standing set! And given the size of the VL production, what's one bathroom? They seem to have the money. ;D The flatshare still has the tiles visible behind the door off the kitchen. But we know it's not actually behind there. I would think they'd show characters in the bathroom instead of randomly coming out of it (Olli) if they still had it. So I guess it's gone for now.
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Post by chrollifan on Mar 30, 2009 20:30:29 GMT -5
Well, it's not so easy. I describe the system as I've understood it, based on stuff I've read, seen and heard One director is making five episodes in a row and he has two weeks time for that, which means that two directors are working at the same time. Director begins with location shoots one week and does studio scenes next week. There are 5-6 directors working in shifts in VL and some quest directors (if there is vacation or something).
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Post by lugia on Mar 30, 2009 21:20:30 GMT -5
Interesting. That would explain why there is so much overlap on the date stamps of the promo pics. Stuff filmed over two weeks can appear anywhere from ep 1 to ep 10. That may account for Jo & Thore seemingly not missing many eps because of Whistler or why they always film up to the last minute before trips. It amused me when Thore couldn't explain the schedule in the GIGA interview last April, but by now I don't get it anymore, either. I would still prefer being a director or actor over writer, having to come up with the master thing everyone else will base their work on. Once written, I can almost understand now why it would be hard to change directions of a storyline. The beginning might be filmed as you write the end and there's no way to adjust it. Or that's when you realize the actors are crap, but have already written them in for the next weeks. The writers must be terrified to watch the dailies each day! ;D But sets and props would be relatively easy to organize/built then. Maybe that's why they're doing certain stretches of storylines, because once started, it's easy to keep running (like filming a lot of stuff in SaLeo's room). Preparing all departments early on and then just doing the work, checking it off day by day, until the next shift of actors takes over.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 31, 2009 5:36:11 GMT -5
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