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Post by I ♥ Blaine on May 29, 2008 12:56:00 GMT -5
I agree! Best part was finding out I wasn't the only one! I'm still wondering though why some of us straight girls love it and others don't get it at all... I just think it comes down to the fact that we're just all different people. Some girls who are straight are intrigued by girl on girl too. I don't get them as they probaly don't get us. I think it's very boring and it actually repulses me a bit! Different strokes for different folks!
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Post by amber80 on May 29, 2008 13:00:27 GMT -5
Yep, that's true!
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Post by neand48 on May 29, 2008 18:12:31 GMT -5
The impression I get is that you don't mind seeing it (the guy/guy pairing) on TV or in the movies. Actually, you enjoy it. What about in real life? Have you ever witnessed it? If yes, did you react the same way? I'm just wondering. My next question. How would you react if the guy you are dating revealed to you that his previous relationship had been with a man? Would you be as accepting? Would you trust him? I'm not talking soap operas here. I'm talking real life.
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Post by amber80 on May 30, 2008 10:35:20 GMT -5
Witnessed what exactly? Kissing yes, the rest: nope... ;D (That's not something I want to see either way: gay or straight. I consider that a part of someone's personal / private life and I don't need to know everything. I guess tv is different in that way: you don't know them personal: they're fictional and that makes it ok to fantasize imo. (I also think there's a difference between fan fiction and RPS; the last one makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. But that's just me.) I would be accepting and knowing this from real life. I fell in love with a guy years ago but after a few years of close friendship (we never became a couple ) he came out to me. He told me he was bi and he asked the same question: would I ever consider dating a bi man and at that moment I wasn't sure: I was a bit shocked to be honest. I really hadn't seen it coming (Looking back I should have : and I still had a crush on him, so my head was spinning so to speak. But all considered I think I reacted pretty well and supportive. But I did tell him to be honest about it when he would meet someone. (I don't really know why I blurted that out, but I guess that had something to do with a disastrous triangle some of my (ex-)friends were in; it almost ruined some lives and sure ruined some friendships. But that's another story. ) I think in the end all comes down to trust: it doesn't matter whether you like girls, guys or both: in a relationship you need to trust each other; otherwise it's doomed anyway. After the first shock I realized immediately that nothing had changed and I really didn't mind if he liked boys too. I loved him for who he was, not for who he liked. We never got together though; there were some moments, but I think neither one of us dared to try because of our friendship, which is very dear to both of us. (I know: cliché! ;D) But he's happy now; has a great boyfriend who suits him so much better than I ever could! And we all get along perfectly, so all turned out for the best.
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Post by synapticmisfire on Jul 12, 2008 21:08:51 GMT -5
But I would like to know what the gay men here think about us. I say woohoo for you all. A lot of my female friends in RL, as supportive and all as they are, are still somewhat weirded out by the whole thing - they don't find any attraction in two men kissing, and freely say that they wouldn't date a bi guy because it would be weird for them. And while they're free to do that (I wouldn't say that everyone necessarily has to be massivley pro-gay, as long as they're not against it I'm cool) it's nice to hear from women who do have the alternative perspective. Honestly, I think the vast majority of straight men have the same feeling towards lesbians - they find it attractive because if one woman is hot, two hot women together = superhot. But I know that the fact that I'm gay doesn't stop me from rooting for straight couples, so it'd be ridiculous if I had anything but postive feelings toards the women who root for gay couples.
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Post by aussie54 on Jul 13, 2008 2:47:46 GMT -5
Very interesting thread!! It's a few years ago when I realized that I love to see two gay guys together. At the beginning I found it a little bit strange but I accepted these feelings very quickly. Meanwhile I know lots of girls and women who feel the same. So it's definitely no rarity. I can't really say why I feel about it this way but I know that it's not only about sex. When I watch those videos in which two guys are making out but there are no feelings between them and there's no chemistry between them then it really bores me. But if the couple is really cute and you can feel the love and the suspense between them it's just hot and gives me a good feeling. I really can say: I'm glad for the feelings that I have and I don't want to miss them anymore. There are days which would be completely boring to me if there wouldn't exist gay couples!!^^ That's the truth!! I agree with this ... it's pretty much exactly the same way I feel.
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Post by andru on Jul 13, 2008 5:22:29 GMT -5
In RL I don't know lots of women who feel the same attraction for gay couples like I do. The most of them I know from the internet. To me all this is a kind of passion I live out mostly in my free time, either alone or with other people in the internet like here or in another forum. But I make no secret of the fact that I'm attracted to gay couples and of course there are people in my surround who know about it. And they don't have a problem with it, why should they? And so everything's alright for me. Lots of women can't understand why I have this feelings but meanwhile I know that I'm not the only one and that there are so many other ones who feel the same. I'm also sure there are many many women who have these feelings and just don't admit them to themselves or other people. Once I had an email chat with another girl, about my age, and she just has discovered her attraction for gay couples. And she felt really strange about it. I had to write her several times that the way she feels is totally alright until it was ok for her.
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Post by aldebaran on Jul 13, 2008 8:52:13 GMT -5
A lot of my female friends in RL, as supportive and all as they are, are still somewhat weirded out by the whole thing - they don't find any attraction in two men kissing, and freely say that they wouldn't date a bi guy because it would be weird for them. And while they're free to do that (I wouldn't say that everyone necessarily has to be massivley pro-gay, as long as they're not against it I'm cool) it's nice to hear from women who do have the alternative perspective. Honestly, I think the vast majority of straight men have the same feeling towards lesbians - they find it attractive because if one woman is hot, two hot women together = superhot. But I know that the fact that I'm gay doesn't stop me from rooting for straight couples, so it'd be ridiculous if I had anything but postive feelings toards the women who root for gay couples. That's the point! It's a sort of stereotype. Most straight men are strongly attracted by lesbian couples, but usually because in their dreams they would join the girls making out. On the other hand, lots of women are disgusted when thinking of two men together. Thanks to this forum I found out that actually there are many of them who like gay couples, but from a different point of view. It's a matter of feelings, sweetness and tenderness, unlike straight men who care about the sexual aspect of woman-woman couples. But I'd like to know if some of the women who write on this board get turned on when watching two guys kissing or making love. There wouldn't be anything bad with that.
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 13, 2008 9:20:18 GMT -5
You might want to hear about slash and yaoi Basically it's girls who like to read comics (yaoi) or write stories (slash) about boys in love to varying degrees of explicitness up to graphically explicit. There have long philosophic discussions essays been written about why girls/women might do that. Covering anything from guy=hot, 2 guys = hotter and "I don't feel attracted to women so I don't care about breasts and vaginas in the porn that I read" to issues of insecurity (If I pair the guy I like with a woman I might become jealous o her) to feministic ideas (either "men and women relationships always have an inequality built into them so making them the same sex creates a more equal power balance and that it most interesting to explore" or "on some level it is the chance to write a different type of man, maybe more emotional, more expressive, whatever" or "Turning the sexual gaze back on the man by turning them into sex objects the way men do with women" or "Women never get the cool kind of lead roles that interest me, so I identify with male roles") to queer ideas ("There are not enough queer characters around so I write versions of the show with queer characters") or just a question of what the authors thinks fits best ("Those two characters are so emotionally connected if they were a guy and a woman they would be a couple by now. But just because they are the same sex they will never be a couple, so I recify the sitution by making them a couple") to story reasons ("A character questioning their own sexuality and having to struggle through it is just a very interesting story"). I'm sure there are many other reasons, but these are some that I have heard. There is no way to know how many women feel that way, except there are a lot on the internet judging by the number of slash stories and by the fact that it is able to sustain its own market of boy/boy love story comics written for girls in Asia. Personally, I tend to think that for women the line between "I find this cute/I find this romantic" and "this turns me on" is a lot more fluent than it might be for men. Or that having an emotional reaction to something is pretty similar to having a physical reaction in the ways of "I really really like it and I actively search for it". And maybe "watching" is the wrong expression since women are less visual than men in general. So the "feeling" is more important. Which is why female porn (boy/girl or boy/boy) tends to have a higher percentage of written as opposed to pictures/video. Personally, stuff like Ollian is pretty softcore and it tickles my "It's so cute/sweet" tastes much more than my "it's so hot" taste. I have seen some gay porn and it ranged from terrible to pretty okay. Same for straight porn. It's really more a question of curiosity than a question of finding it hot.
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Post by andru on Jul 13, 2008 9:41:12 GMT -5
Personally, I tend to think that for women the line between "I find this cute/I find this romantic" and "this turns me on" is a lot more fluent than it might be for men. Or that having an emotional reaction to something is pretty similar to having a physical reaction in the ways of "I really really like it and I actively search for it". Yeah, I think that's quite right. A while ago I also read Boy's Love stories. But most of them are concerned with romantic story lines, the focus isn't the sexual aspect in these comics. I personally can say that guys making out turns me on, but I need a chemistry between them. When I think about the boring porns where there's only in and out... No I don't really need this. It needs more than two guys having sex where there's nothing more about it.
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 13, 2008 9:55:18 GMT -5
Yeah, it's not the physical act alone that makes something hot. It's the situation and the context, the feelings (the feelings don't have to be romantic and sweet, they could also be hate and sadness or whatever).
Otherwise it often is not much hotter than pushing two lifeless barbie dolls against each other.
I think it's more that certain things provide a good jump off point for fantasy. Kind of the way that often horror movies are scaries if you don't see the gory stuff and instead it is left to your imagination what happens. Just like "erotic" is something that might happen in the mind.
Which doesn't mean that we would object to Ollian or any others getting more explicit romantic scenes (particularly since we already have emotional attachment to them). Just that that isn't necessarily the whole story of how it works.
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Post by amber80 on Jul 13, 2008 11:09:52 GMT -5
Yeah, it's not the physical act alone that makes something hot. It's the situation and the context, the feelings (the feelings don't have to be romantic and sweet, they could also be hate and sadness or whatever). Otherwise it often is not much hotter than pushing two lifeless barbie dolls against each other. I think it's more that certain things provide a good jump off point for fantasy. Kind of the way that often horror movies are scaries if you don't see the gory stuff and instead it is left to your imagination what happens. Just like "erotic" is something that might happen in the mind. Exactly! (You're so good in putting all this in the right kind of words Lola: thanks! ) I had a period I read yaoi; I stumbled upon one of these stories when I was looking for cartoons of something and I became curious. The weirdest part was finding out that I definitely wasn't the only one who liked that stuff; it really has a large and active fanbase; especially in Asia. Although I must say: I only liked it when the story was interesting and the drawings good. It doesn't have to be explicit at all, but the story has to be good. That's the most important thing; it has to get me emotionally involved. It's been a while since I read any yaoi, but I believe I still have scanlations of all the volumes of Haro wo Daite ita on my computer. ;D But I'd like to know if some of the women who write on this board get turned on when watching two guys kissing or making love. There wouldn't be anything bad with that. So yes... But in the context of the stated above. And I'm glad you're saying there's nothing wrong with that, but there are a lot of people who dissagree with you. So I'm just glad I can say it here ;D. Irl people would think I'm weird if they knew that about me.
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Jul 13, 2008 12:42:50 GMT -5
Irl people would think I'm weird if they knew that about me. Me too. Yesterday one of my gay friends and some female friends of ours had watched QAF and they told me about it. I wanted to ask OOOOOH wasn't it hot? and was it the UK or US version and OMG let's do a marathon, plz! etc etc... But I chickened out and said "What is Queer As Folk"? If only they know hahaha!
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Post by aldebaran on Jul 13, 2008 14:03:31 GMT -5
Thanks Lola for your accurate explanation! The human mind is so strange, isn't it? But I think it's good that there is a variety of tastes, ideas and points of view. And I'm glad you're saying there's nothing wrong with that, but there are a lot of people who disagree with you. So I'm just glad I can say it here ;D. Irl people would think I'm weird if they knew that about me. Well, if I said that it's something wrong I would be really stupid. As a gay guy, I have to be the first to be open-minded, otherwise I can't expect the others to behave like this towards me. But you're right, lots of people out there wouldn't understand your passion. Thore's b*tch: You really made me laugh! "What's QAF"? LOL!!! Btw, your nickname itself is a slash, isn't it? ;D
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Jul 13, 2008 15:05:05 GMT -5
Thanks Lola for your accurate explanation! The human mind is so strange, isn't it? But I think it's good that there is a variety of tastes, ideas and points of view. And I'm glad you're saying there's nothing wrong with that, but there are a lot of people who disagree with you. So I'm just glad I can say it here ;D. Irl people would think I'm weird if they knew that about me. Well, if I said that it's something wrong I would be really stupid. As a gay guy, I have to be the first to be open-minded, otherwise I can't expect the others to behave like this towards me. But you're right, lots of people out there wouldn't understand your passion. Thore's b*tch: You really made me laugh! "What's QAF"? LOL!!! Btw, your nickname itself is a slash, isn't it? ;D Great! No... it's just a naughty way of saying I'd like to tap that. (meaning Thore)
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Post by amber80 on Jul 13, 2008 15:17:38 GMT -5
Great! Another expression added to the ever growing collection... ;D (Didn't know that one yet ) LOL! at your comment about QAF! Could have been me saying that... ;D (Although I never watched QAF other than some short clips on YT).
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Post by Bonobochick on Jul 13, 2008 15:30:43 GMT -5
Great! Another expression added to the ever growing collection... ;D (Didn't know that one yet ) LOL! at your comment about QAF! Could have been me saying that... ;D (Although I never watched QAF other than some short clips on YT). Do yourself a favor and don't watch QAF-USA. Seriously. However QAF-UK is good stuff!
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Post by aussie54 on Jul 13, 2008 16:08:48 GMT -5
I have to agree, Bonobochick . I never took to the US version of QAF, but I love the UK version. Especially Nathan. I'm enjoying this discussion. Very few of my friends/family in RL know about my interest in watching gay guys on TV or in the movies, or reading about them. All of my discussion is on the internet. There really is a huge internet community when it comes to slash (my particular interest is in the Harry Potter fandom, but it leaks over into other areas as well). I think it was Andru who said Agree 100%! As others have also said, there needs to be some emotional attachment along the way. Love rather than just sex. Which is why I enjoy watching Christian and Olli so much, because their love shines through all their scenes. Jo and Thore have amazing on-screen chemistry! It's like they were born for these roles. And yes, Lola I definitely agree with what you say here:
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Jul 13, 2008 16:25:23 GMT -5
I haven't watched QAF episodes either, but I have watched a lot of US and UK clips. Justin annoys me, and Stuart is gross. But Brian is kinda hot... But my favorite is Nathan.. I love Charlie Hunnam!
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Post by Bonobochick on Jul 13, 2008 16:33:48 GMT -5
I have to agree, Bonobochick . I never took to the US version of QAF, but I love the UK version. Especially Nathan. I'm enjoying this discussion. Very few of my friends/family in RL know about my interest in watching gay guys on TV or in the movies, or reading about them. All of my discussion is on the internet. There really is a huge internet community when it comes to slash (my particular interest is in the Harry Potter fandom, but it leaks over into other areas as well). I think it was Andru who said Agree 100%! As others have also said, there needs to be some emotional attachment along the way. Love rather than just sex. Which is why I enjoy watching Christian and Olli so much, because their love shines through all their scenes. Jo and Thore have amazing on-screen chemistry! It's like they were born for these roles. And yes, Lola I definitely agree with what you say here: I've seen just about all of QAF-USA - and boy did that show make me bitter - except a few eps in the final season. With the exception of S1, the show is like a plane crashing into a train that is barrelling into a car full of nuns and children. Awful. Anyhoo, I adore Christian & Olli, though my first love is still DeRo. Yea, it's been shitastic since they broke up for DeVa, but when it's working right, it's magic. The actors have fabulous chemistry (the characters have like a primal intensity when together) and strong acting chops. I already posted my thoughts on why I watch on page 1, so I am going to save myself carpal tunnel syndrome. I think I posted some more thoughts on this subject also in the straight actors in gay roles thread.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jul 13, 2008 18:07:46 GMT -5
But I would like to know what the gay men here think about us. This is an interesting & curious thread with a surprising number of different views arising from it. Seems like you girls aren't even terribly sure what your attraction is yourselves. I have to be completely honest and say I was completely dumbfounded when I discovered Ichglotzutube was a woman I think Nanna can testify to that, cos I publicly blundered into it on the YT boards ;D, however it led to correspondence with Nanna which led me directly to here - and of that I am very grateful I can honestly say I have no idea why it surprised me so much - it just never entered my head that a woman would be so enamoured with a gay story that she would go to the effort of translating it for the rest of the world - not sure if I still really do I think str8 women are drawn to gay men for many different reasons, however until I'd come across the phenomenon that is Ollian, my experience of this was all practical. I have known a lot of str8 women in my gay life - the following being some of the types I have come across. Those who really enjoy going to gay clubs because they can enjoy a good night out without getting any "hassle" - they can "party" with guys without having to be careful that they're sending out the wrong message. Curiously though, I have been hit on by more str8 girls in gay clubs than guys and have had many str8 female friends who have picked up in gay clubs I think this ties into the second "group" I have known - the ones who see gay guys as a challenge - I have known many str8 girls who were on the periphery of our gay group, who - upon the realisation that I hadn't been with a guy and appeared to make very little effort to "pick-up" a guy, even when it was being offered on a plate questioned me about my sexuality i.e " how do you know you're gay if you've never been with a guy" This always amused me somewhat because they seemed to find it difficult to grasp the fact that sexual orientation is not always defined by who you are having sex with. Then there were the ones who thought it was "cool" to have a gay friend. They seemed to wear it like a badge of honour " Hey - I'm a modern woman cos I accept gay guys" There were also the ones who genuinely liked having gay guys as friends - these ones were genuinely curious and quite often seemed intrigued about a man's perspective on things - probably happy to tap into the sensitivity side of men. There were also the ones who had the impression that gay guys were almost wannabe women This forum has introduced me to another section of the str8 female population - those of you who have a definite love for watching gay love stories. It has been interesting to hear what you have to say about yourselves on this subject. One theme that seems to be running through is that you enjoy a good romance regardless of the pairing? I wonder if this is really true? - would you be as enamoured with the love story if it were two women? As a gay guy I get involved in a good gay love story - especially if I can relate to or fancy the male characters - I also love a good str8 love story I'm not averse to watching chick-flicks, but I can honestly say that I have never been enamoured with a lesbian love story even though I have watched some I put this down to the simple fact that I cannot get personally involved in the fantasy of it - i.e in a male/male or male/female pairing, I can always place myself (subconsciously) within the story, whereas I can't do that with female/female pairings where there is no place for a guy. I wonder if this is also true for some of you? Some of you have have also talked about your children and how you hope you will allow your children to be open minded about homosexuality when they grow up - I think they probably will because most of the bigotry we learn - and bigotry is a learned trait arises from the learning environment around us - however, curiously, all of you who have spoken, have mentioned sons. Would you be the same with daughters? - I don't mean this to be an offensive question - but it is striking that daughters have not been mentioned? I have also known women who, on the face of it were totally accepting of gay men, but when pushed actually admitted to finding the thought of guys physically having sex repulsive. It is easy to love something that on the face of it is relatively inoffensive - a gentle gay romantic story that is relatively inexplicit - do you consider it beyond this point? The world of human emotion and sexuality truly is a wondrous place. I believe (in the Kinsey scale) that very few people are truly heterosexual or homosexual - many people lying between 1/2 or 4/5, the bisexuality of C&O being a common topic of conversation, however it is the environment and educational upbringing that defines our attitude towards it - girls play with dolls, boys play with guns that shapes our way of thinking towards it. I cannot speak for all gay men - but for me, coming to terms with my sexuality made me question my whole existence on earth - if I'm not here to procreate - why am I here?This probably stemming from the fact that being a livestock farmer's son - the whole business of procreation being synonymous with the existence of our livestock, our way of life and ultimately, life on the planet.In the same way that men will never understand childbirth - I think this is an existence that str8 people will never truly understand. I think - as str8 women - you are all enamoured with gay romance for different reasons - such is the diversity of human nature. I for one am truly glad you are because through people like you, your children and the people you influence in your daily life, life for people like me becomes easier. Bigotry is born of ignorance, ignorance is born of fear and misunderstanding - the more people talk, the more room there is for understanding, the more understanding there is - the less fear in the world there is. I salute you str8 girls for this thread and hope that I have not offended any of you in the process of my deliberations. PS - when I did a spell check on this it wanted to change the word Ichglotzutube to Occultist ;D
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Post by nana29 on Jul 13, 2008 18:33:31 GMT -5
As others have also said, there needs to be some emotional attachment along the way. Love rather than just sex. Which is why I enjoy watching Christian and Olli so much, because their love shines through all their scenes. Jo and Thore have amazing on-screen chemistry! It's like they were born for these roles. ditto! Totally agree, we don't need to see Olli and Christian in bed everyday to know there is love in their relationship. I think the first gay couple I saw was Brian and Justin from QAF, I mostly watched the whole series on YT, till my friend gave me his Season 2 dvd set. I liked it, I'm probably the minority in that but I liked them. They had their issues, but still. Well first let me say that he was suprised that I knew what QAF was ;D and Sheepie, no offense taken. You made good points. I don't have any children but I do hope if I do in the future that both my daughters and sons are open-minded. It would be really stupid of me not be open-mided about people when I have friends and family who are gay and lesbians.
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Post by gabriel78 on Jul 13, 2008 18:50:02 GMT -5
Wow, what a thread! This has been very exciting and insightful to read.
I can see the popularity of gay love stories (more-than-sex stories like Ollian) among women because of the romance and sensitivity angle. Men, in general, are typically not known for their romantic natures. In fact, I recall reading a few weeks or months ago how male and female brains are wired a bit differently, and those differences CAN be detected. What's more, a gay man's brain is wired similarly to a woman's brain, which I found interesting. So, it stands to reason that gay men, in general, have character traits that appeal to women, especially when those same women cannot identify or HOPE to identify those traits in straight men they know.
Look at American T.V.'s Will & Grace: Grace spends her time with Will, because he gives her something other men can't, even men she's romantically involved with/married to. He gives her the closeness that she wants from men, among other things. Their relationship is based more on the mental than anything else.
I think it's the same way when women like watching gay love stories - it stimulates their mentality.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is, when you remove the sex in ANY relationship, the stuff that is left over is the meat of it. The friendship, the compassion, the selflessness, all of it. We all want that, but women are more comfortable seeking it, discussing it, and displaying it. Men, on the other hand, are generally not that touchy-feely.
This is one thing I like about Ollian - they are in a relationship, quite obviously a relationship they both enjoy immensely. Due the wonderful acting of Jo and Thore, and the brilliant writing of the show's writers, Olli and Christian's feelings for each other are palpable, jump off the screen and pound you on the head like the Whack-A-Mole at Chuck E. Cheese. That is largely what is missing from gay culture in the United States - the recognition that gay relationships are more than wild animal sex, leather straps and whips, and old men being perverts.
The public face of gay culture, in general, is what you see in the PRIDE parades: outlandish costumes, wild colors, nakedness, glitter, drag queen-ism, and so on. Yet, when gay marriage was recently allowed in the state of California, you saw gay men together, NORMAL looking men, holding up signs saying "18 years together" and stuff like that.
THAT is the meat. THAT is what attracted me, personally, to Ollian besides their combined HOTNESS and that is what I think attracts a good number of women to ANY gay love story.
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Post by amber80 on Jul 13, 2008 18:57:37 GMT -5
Ok, I was just about ready to go to bed when I saw Sheepie's post. And I couldn't resist reading it. A really interesting read Sheepie! (Almost a complete novel. But a nice one. ) Just one thing I wanted to comment on: One theme that seems to be running through is that you enjoy a good romance regardless of the pairing? I wonder if this is really true? - would you be as enamoured with the love story if it were two women? As a gay guy I get involved in a good gay love story - especially if I can relate to or fancy the male characters - I also love a good str8 love story I'm not averse to watching chick-flicks, but I can honestly say that I have never been enamoured with a lesbian love story even though I have watched some I put this down to the simple fact that I cannot get personally involved in the fantasy of it - i.e in a male/male or male/female pairing, I can always place myself (subconsciously) within the story, whereas I can't do that with female/female pairings where there is no place for a guy. I wonder if this is also true for some of you? To be honest: I do think it makes a difference. I have nothing against female/female pairings, because I think people sound be free to love who ever they want to love, no matter their gender. But like you I'm not enamoured with lesbian love stories. I have seen some, but I'm not drawn to them at all. Not like heterosexual and gay love stories. Maybe it's indeed all about getting emotionally and personally involved in the stories and I just can't get that with female/female pairings because I can't imagine falling in love with a woman myself. I think - as str8 women - you are all enamoured with gay romance for different reasons - such is the diversity of human nature. I for one am truly glad you are because through people like you, your children and the people you influence in your daily life, life for people like me becomes easier. Bigotry is born of ignorance, ignorance is born of fear and misunderstanding - the more people talk, the more room there is for understanding, the more understanding there is - the less fear in the world there is.I salute you str8 girls for this thread and hope that I have not offended any of you in the process of my deliberations. Very true Sheepie! I think all of us are just lucky to have found a place to share our love for these stories with each other and to learn from each other about other stuff. This thread for example is a really interesting read and you can really learn a lot from reading other people's point of view. And I don't think you've offended anyone Sheepie; how could you?
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jul 13, 2008 18:58:49 GMT -5
Wow, what a thread! This has been very exciting and insightful to read. This is one thing I like about Ollian - they are in a relationship, quite obviously a relationship they both enjoy immensely. Due the wonderful acting of Jo and Thore, and the brilliant writing of the show's writers, Olli and Christian's feelings for each other are palpable, jump off the screen and pound you on the head like the Whack-A-Mole at Chuck E. Cheese. That is largely what is missing from gay culture in the United States - the recognition that gay relationships are more than wild animal sex, leather straps and whips, and old men being perverts. The public face of gay culture, in general, is what you see in the PRIDE parades: outlandish costumes, wild colors, nakedness, glitter, drag queen-ism, and so on. Yet, when gay marriage was recently allowed in the state of California, you saw gay men together, NORMAL looking men, holding up signs saying "18 years together" and stuff like that. THAT is the meat. THAT is what attracted me, personally, to Ollian besides their combined HOTNESS and that is what I think attracts a good number of women to ANY gay love story. Well said GabrielEven as a gay man - this is exactly what draws me to Ollian too It is the normality of them as a couple that feeds my fantasy addiction
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