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Post by pru on Aug 25, 2011 0:40:54 GMT -5
Tell them what? The writers are the ones who wrote the words.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 25, 2011 0:41:54 GMT -5
Tell them what? The writers are the ones who wrote the words. well whoever in the press tells media he's a bi man.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 25, 2011 0:44:36 GMT -5
But the concept of bisexuality altogether seems to suddenly be completely lost on Olli.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 25, 2011 0:47:28 GMT -5
Maybe since he forgot he himself was bi, he forgot it existed? He should read the new article After Elton posted that Bisexuality is real!!
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Post by candyflossuk on Aug 25, 2011 1:22:19 GMT -5
For me the problem is not the fact that Oli doesn't revognise bisexulaity. The problem is the fact that Christian continued to deny still being into women despite his unfortunate habit of kissing/touching/sleeping with them! . Oli has asked him time and time again about his attraction to women and Christian always had the gall to ask as though such a question from Oli was ridiculous and offensive! Yet every damn time something goes wrong he goes out and proves that he is still very much attracted to women. Christian has chosen to label himself as 'gay'. He identified himself as gay very early on in their storyline (ie. the 'gay' boxer stuff). So is it any wonder that Oli believed that Christian was gay since this is what Christian himself told him? Maybe Oli would recognise Christian's bisexuality more IF Christian himself had had the decency to be honest with his husband and tell him that he is attracted to men AND women. I believe this is why Oli throws it back in his face quite alot. Christian was never honest with him despite Oli giving him plenty of chances to be. And the concept of Christian being a gay man who continues to turn to women for comfort sex is ridiculous. It makes a mockery of every time he's told Oli that he's 'done with women'.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 25, 2011 3:37:48 GMT -5
Olli still seems to be very closed off to the very idea of bisexuality as it pertains to Christian and I don't really think it would matter if Christian had been 'honest' with Olli from the beginning. And for the record I believe it's possible Christian was telling his truth in that moment as he understood or believed it to be when Olli asked him about women. Not to mention whenever Olli asked Christian about it he always seemed to ask either/or, as he always asked if Christian was into women "again'', to which Christian replied "no" which, even if it's playing semantics, is not entirely inaccurate. And regardless if Christian was 'honest' and admitted being bisexual, Olli could and probably would still have the same fears about Christian. But Olli seems to no longer think bisexuality exists, despite him being the one to tell Christian to forget gay/straight stereotypes and maybe he just fell in love with a human being. And Christian declaring himself gay (which I always read as more of a 'not straight' declaration than strictly 'gay' anyway) when he may have been bisexual to me doesn't carry much credence since Olli declared himself bisexual and now seems to identify only as gay. So I don't see much difference as the sexuality of both seems to be fluid. In any event, opinions differ on what the true nature of the 'problem' is in this particular situation, and in actuality it probably lies somewhere in the middle of Olli's seeming close mindedness on the subject and Christian's seeming poor communication. But that's just how I see it, and I suppose this is yet another topic in this storyline that many of us will have to agree to disagree on. I guess this has gone off topic now, sorry Joanna.
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Post by chrischi on Aug 25, 2011 4:44:59 GMT -5
It seems to me that Olli's problem is not that Christian isn't gay, but that he is heterosexual.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 25, 2011 5:31:50 GMT -5
Or rather that Olli THINKS Christian is heterosexual (an absolutely ludicrous thought, in my opinion.) Gay and straight are not the only two options. Again, when did the concept of bisexuality escape Olli?
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Post by bel7003 on Aug 25, 2011 5:40:59 GMT -5
Or rather that Olli THINKS Christian is heterosexual (an absolutely ludicrous thought, in my opinion.) Gay and straight are not the only two options. Again, when did the concept of bisexuality escape Olli? But this is so unbelievable. They lived together for 3 years, Christian always showed love and desire for Olli. Olli never complained he felt Christian wasn't happy with their sexual life, so this makes absolutely no sense. For me, Christian has always been bi: he never had doubts about his attraction for women before Olli and, since he never felt attracted to any man, he thought he was straight. Olli was his first man and he fell in love with him in a way he had never felt before, so he must have thought he actually was gay, and he embraced that notion. But it's clear he's bi. He still feels attracted to women but his love for Olli is stronger. That's why he denies being straight, every time Olli mentions it. But it would be good to have them discuss this issue and come to a conclusion.
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Post by chrischi on Aug 25, 2011 6:19:23 GMT -5
Or rather that Olli THINKS Christian is heterosexual Yeah, that's what I wanted to say. Gay and straight are not the only two options. Again, when did the concept of bisexuality escape Olli? I think it's not that the concept of bisexuality escaped Olli, he just doesn't believe that Christian is bisexual. He thinks Christian is straight and that Christian only fooled him and himself. (Whether that makes sense or not is a different question.) Personally, I never found it overly believable that Christian is only gay for Olli and straight otherwise. The writers should at least let Christian show interest in other men too to make his bisexuality more believable. Just my opinion though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 8:04:23 GMT -5
Just saw the Tuesday episode. Christian's arrogance and self-entitlement just ooze out of him these days; he doesn't even need to use words anymore. Yet, when he does use them, he somehow manages to make it worse. Quite a feat. Christian/Charlie are the most amazing combo. Somehow, the most heartbreaking thing IMO wasn't even the Christian/Olli scene. It was seeing Olli nakedly pouring out his complete lack of direction and unhappiness and having it all hit a solid brick wall with the very woman who calls herself "like a mother to him". Big highlight: Olli/Ansgar. ;D Olli's in trouble, yada, yada. I get he might suffer serious consequences, but I just hope it's not a way for some kind of "told you so" or "let me save the day" Christian, because the guy really doesn't need more reason for smugness, thank you very much. If he falls due to his own actions, let him get back up all by his lone self please. Thanks for the clip!
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Post by philos on Aug 25, 2011 8:05:02 GMT -5
Or rather that Olli THINKS Christian is heterosexual Yeah, that's what I wanted to say. Gay and straight are not the only two options. Again, when did the concept of bisexuality escape Olli? I think it's not that the concept of bisexuality escaped Olli, he just doesn't believe that Christian is bisexual. He thinks Christian is straight and that Christian only fooled him and himself. (Whether that makes sense or not is a different question.) Personally, I never found it overly believable that Christian is only gay for Olli and straight otherwise. The writers should at least let Christian show interest in other men too to make his bisexuality more believable. Just my opinion though. during the last month my hope was that Rafael could have a very short story with Christian to clarify his feeling for men. Not so much, just a flirt and stop, but Olli should know about it, so he could understand that his husband is really interested to boys (at least to both) and cancel this doubt from his mind. Naturally, as he said, Olli can fight and win if the opposite is a man ;D
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Post by bel7003 on Aug 25, 2011 8:42:07 GMT -5
Olli's in trouble, yada, yada. I get he might suffer serious consequences, but I just hope it's not a way for some kind of "told you so" or "let me save the day" Christian, because the guy really doesn't need more reason for smugness, thank you very much. If he falls due to his own actions, let him get back up all by his lone self please. During the Rob s/l, Christian tried time and again to warn Olli against Rob, but Olli never listened to him. In the end, Olli managed to work it out with Christian and Rebecca's help. And Christian never told Olli "I told you so!" It was Olli who recognized Christian had been right all along. I don't know what would be so wrong in Christian helping Olli in a difficult situation. Christian is acting proud and distant, because of the problems they are facing as a couple, but I think that, if Olli was in real trouble, Christian would help him without any arrogance. (If Olli accepted his help, which I think he would, if he thought it was from the heart). It might be a good thing.
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Post by philos on Aug 25, 2011 9:10:24 GMT -5
During the Rob s/l, Christian tried time and again to warn Olli against Rob, but Olli never listened to him. In the end, Olli managed to work it out with Christian and Rebecca's help. And Christian never told Olli "I told you so!" It was Olli who recognized Christian had been right all along. I don't know what would be so wrong in Christian helping Olli in a difficult situation. Christian is acting proud and distant, because of the problems they are facing as a couple, but I think that, if Olli was in real trouble, Christian would help him without any arrogance. (If Olli accepted his help, which I think he would, if he thought it was from the heart). It might be a good thing. Exactly! as I posted, mutual help is one of the most important aspect in a couple and this can be a possible way for them to act and feel finally as a loving couple!
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Post by bel7003 on Aug 25, 2011 9:29:10 GMT -5
During the Rob s/l, Christian tried time and again to warn Olli against Rob, but Olli never listened to him. In the end, Olli managed to work it out with Christian and Rebecca's help. And Christian never told Olli "I told you so!" It was Olli who recognized Christian had been right all along. I don't know what would be so wrong in Christian helping Olli in a difficult situation. Christian is acting proud and distant, because of the problems they are facing as a couple, but I think that, if Olli was in real trouble, Christian would help him without any arrogance. (If Olli accepted his help, which I think he would, if he thought it was from the heart). It might be a good thing. Exactly! as I posted, mutual help is one of the most important aspect in a couple and this can be a possible way for them to act and feel finally as a loving couple! That's right. I think they will have to learn to trust each other again. Maybe both of them working together to help one of them (in this case, Olli, but it might be Christian, as well) would be the situation they need to get mutual trust back. Not as poor Olli/superman Christian, but as equal partners in a team. Putting their hurt pride and fears aside. And after that was accomplished, they could move on to realizing they still love each other and want to give their marriage a second chance. I must say I like this scenario.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 25, 2011 11:40:04 GMT -5
As far as Christian’s sexuality is concerned: I think Olli’s main problem isn’t that Christian might be bisexual, because he himself identifies as bisexual. I think if Christian were shown doing some serious soul searching and came to the realization that he is bisexual with a preference for men (which to me also describes Olli) and told Olli this, I think Olli could handle that. Olli’s problem is that Christian despite evidence to the contrary keeps identifying as gay. A gay man when dealing with coming out may experiment sexually with women, but a woman is not his fallback position. Anytime Christian is mad at Olli or feels jealous of Olli his fallback position has been to kiss and now sleep with a woman. Now if you are trying to convince your husband who identifies as bisexual but who has always had long term love relationships with men that you are gay, kissing the nearest woman isn’t gonna do it. And sleeping a woman continually while saying that your three and a half year relationship with a man wasn’t an anomaly isn’t going to convince him either. Just at it is ludicrous for Olli to think that Christian is straight (after three and a half years of loving and sleeping with him), it is equally as ludicrous for Christian (who keeps sleeping with women) to assert that he’s gay.
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Post by pru on Aug 25, 2011 12:06:15 GMT -5
Just saw the Tuesday episode. Christian's arrogance and self-entitlement just ooze out of him these days; he doesn't even need to use words anymore. Yet, when he does use them, he somehow manages to make it worse. Quite a feat. Christian/Charlie are the most amazing combo. Somehow, the most heartbreaking thing IMO wasn't even the Christian/Olli scene. It was seeing Olli nakedly pouring out his complete lack of direction and unhappiness and having it all hit a solid brick wall with the very woman who calls herself "like a mother to him". Big highlight: Olli/Ansgar. ;D Olli's in trouble, yada, yada. I get he might suffer serious consequences, but I just hope it's not a way for some kind of "told you so" or "let me save the day" Christian, because the guy really doesn't need more reason for smugness, thank you very much. If he falls due to his own actions, let him get back up all by his lone self please. Thanks for the clip! Oh and don't forget assiness as well as the smugness and self-entitlement, macari. And you are so right about how it just oozes out of him without him having to say a word. I don't believe for one second that Olli is going to be in any danger and if by some small chance he is, I see him getting out of it all on his own. The last thing I want to see is his asshole of a husband coming to his rescue and then throwing a "I told you so" in Olli's face. And we both know he would do that with the quickness.
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Post by mandalai on Aug 25, 2011 12:16:01 GMT -5
So..... Olli is a pathetic, defensive fist of over-sensitive insecurities and Christian is a pathetic, offensive bag of insensitive douche And the fist keeps hitting the bag, and the bag keeps deflecting the punches, without showing any signs of impact, so the fist keeps hitting, wanting a sign of a dent, of an impact, and the bag keeps swinging by, undeterred....and.... Oy vey! Olli's insecurities-angle has been building for a while; starting with the break-up, then, then waking up alone on the beach after the ONS with the almost jail-bait Raphael, then getting turned down by his ONS/internet ad for being old and stalkery, and then, the final blow, the one whose opinion (STILL) matters the most, although he is trying to pretend that it doesn't, seemingly thinks Olli is not "good enough" again (this time, to be a model). I.e., Christian's seemingly-flippant remark. Christian, ofc, did not say that. Olli and his defensiveness, arising out of his vulnerable, insecure state, heard that. Because he is already conviced that he is not (good) enough for Christian, and when one is looking to find fault, they will undoubtedly find it. And, Olli did. Christian's statements, at face-value, is meant to be ambiguous, because the plot's intent is for Olli to misread it. Which does nothing to help Christian's character, and the battering of assholishness it's been taking for a while now, in this SL. So, Christian did come off as patronizing and completely unaware of the boiling doubts and insecurities Olli was plagued with (what else is new?! ) However, what Olli interpreted Christian's statement to be, was not what Christian meant. Christian didn't mean that Olli was too old, not good enough, or anything negative, when he said that "it was a long time ago." He was just, rightly (although patronizingly) pointing out that Olli is not on the same level as Jessica. That, in Christian's eyes, he couldn't understand the logic of why Olli would even consider it - i.e., considering the deal with the devil, aka, Tanja, and because Olli, his life stage, has progressed beyond that stage. Jessica is understandable because she's a desperate nobody, looking to catch a break........but, Olli is a well-established man. Who owns and is running a very successful bar. Has other commitments and obligations in life. Than to "chicky micky*" play model, at Tanja's whim, like Jessica is desperate to do. He's past that stage of juvenile posturings (aka, Tanja's modelling agency and how it's likely run). THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT! * "Chicky micky" ?? - no idea if this is the right spelling; I've heard it used a few times, on VL, and by Christian too, to refer to superficial, haughty-taughty bullshit. And, Christian's "beyond help" comment was in reference to Olli and his aggressive defensiveness to anything Christian says, as being misinterpreted as an insult. I.e., Christian is fed up with having his words twisted by Olli, once again. I really felt for Olli though. Jo did a very poignant job bringing out Olli's insecurity. The end scene was heartbreakingly beautiful. Mirror, mirror on the plate, who is the sad old man, that no one wants to date and appreciate?Btw, that Theresa actress.....HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE. Jessica is fluff, fun but fluff. MercuryMay, thanks a million and more than I can count up to. Joanna, as always, your pictures are worth a thousand words...... ......and memories. Danke! a really great post luckycharm. Really great!
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Aug 25, 2011 12:24:04 GMT -5
But this is so unbelievable. They lived together for 3 years, Christian always showed love and desire for Olli. Olli never complained he felt Christian wasn't happy with their sexual life, so this makes absolutely no sense. For me, Christian has always been bi: he never had doubts about his attraction for women before Olli and, since he never felt attracted to any man, he thought he was straight. Olli was his first man and he fell in love with him in a way he had never felt before, so he must have thought he actually was gay, and he embraced that notion. But it's clear he's bi. He still feels attracted to women but his love for Olli is stronger. That's why he denies being straight, every time Olli mentions it. But it would be good to have them discuss this issue and come to a conclusion. I couldn't have said it any better myself. Nice post.
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Post by Trish on Aug 25, 2011 12:35:19 GMT -5
A little Christian today. Tristian and Elizabeth being in on the Helena mess has certainly taken the s/l up a notch. I'm loving Tristain and wll that he's going through. I feel worse for him than I ever felt for Helena. And Elizabeth, going over her marriage and the conversations they have had. I felt for her too.
Sebastian needs to cut his loses. Yeah he screwed up, but I really do think she would have run him over, if he hadn't gotten out of the way.
I don't knwo what Hagen told Marlena, but he should be shot. She should have taken off that ring and threw it in his face.(and the cheapskate didn't give her an engagement rin?) Could have done with out all his soul searching in the stable room too. Didn't do much good until Thomas talked to him. Still hating this s/l
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Post by mandalai on Aug 25, 2011 12:37:20 GMT -5
thanks Trish for the resumen of today's eppy.. I guess I'll wait for MM's video...
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Post by Trish on Aug 25, 2011 12:41:38 GMT -5
thanks Trish for the resumen of today's eppy.. I guess I'll wait for MM's video... She won't do one of today. Nothing to really make a video of. Maybe if there's mroe tomorrow. Otherwise she might wait. We'll see.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 25, 2011 13:01:39 GMT -5
A little Christian today. Tristian and Elizabeth being in on the Helena mess has certainly taken the s/l up a notch. I'm loving Tristain and wll that he's going through. I feel worse for him than I ever felt for Helena. And Elizabeth, going over her marriage and the conversations they have had. I felt for her too. Sebastian needs to cut his loses. Yeah he screwed up, but I really do think she would have run him over, if he hadn't gotten out of the way. I don't knwo what Hagen told Marlena, but he should be shot. She should have taken off that ring and threw it in his face.(and the cheapskate didn't give her an engagement rin?) Could have done with out all his soul searching in the stable room too. Didn't do much good until Thomas talked to him. Still hating this s/l Tristan knocked it out of the park today!! He played drunk very convincingly and he looked hot doing it. He sure knows how to wear a scarf, he should give Olli lessons. Both outfits were stunning.
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Post by Trish on Aug 25, 2011 13:07:25 GMT -5
Leave it to you to be the fashion police on such a dramatic show.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 25, 2011 13:08:51 GMT -5
Leave it to you to be the fashion police on such a dramatic show. ;D
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