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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 23, 2011 18:13:11 GMT -5
LadyArmand, spot on. Olli was so honest and vulnerable with Charlie. Christian must be rubbing off on her because her response was not very "mother"-like. It was hurtful. She totally dismissed him. Has Charlie asked Christian why he's still continuing to have sex with Theresa (even though he stated that he regretted starting up with her in the first place) weeks ago? I mean, it's supposedly perfectly fine for Charlie to sit up, berate & pass judgement on Olli for what he does, but somehow Christian's off-limits for Charlie to do the very same thing? Things that make me go "hmmm"
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Post by ari on Aug 23, 2011 18:18:20 GMT -5
Ok, what were the writers trying to say in Chrolli's scene. I get the part about Christian being jealous of Olli flirting.
But, was Olli saying that Christian is really gay but determined to stay in the closet to prove something? That's different than what he's been saying. I don't get it. Christian's laughter in response was interesting, and then saying no one asked you to follow me. What's going on?
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Post by shiyo on Aug 23, 2011 18:20:52 GMT -5
ari, interesting concept. Doth Christian protest too much? But what exactly is he protesting? We know he slept with Olli for three years?? That was weird.
I did think it was funny that Olli told him to grow a beard. Someone mentioned elsewhere that its certainly appropriate, considering Thore just grew a beard and then had to shave it.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 23, 2011 18:25:46 GMT -5
This is my problem with Christian. He wants it both ways. He wants Olli to forgive him, but he wants that forgiveness on his own terms and without really doing any of the work it takes to earn it. He takes no responsibility for why Olli has reacted the way he has and yet he blames Olli for it. And worse yet, he then has the nerve to stand in judgment of it. I know Olli is a grown man, and he has to take responsibility for how he’s handled things. But there is a thing call cause and effect. The cause is Christian’s initial cheating Jessica and his on-going dalliance with Theresa the effect is Olli feeling like he has something to prove not only to himself but to Christian.
And it pissed me off no end that Olli ran after Christian. But he did it because of the way Christian stormed out. He saw that Christian was hurt and jealous and foolish him, he thought that meant something. He actually thought it meant there was something still there between them which could be in some way salvaged. And Christian turned around and sliced that little hope into tiny ribbons with that razor sharp tongue of his. I was glad Olli gave as good as he go until the end. Why oh why does Christian always get to have the last damn word?
What Christian doesn’t recognize in Olli is the person who has on countless occasions when he’s acted like an ass and acted out with women, taken his sorry ass back. This time enough was enough and it hurt more than Olli could bear. And yet he was still willing to run after Christian to try and explain something he didn’t have to. Something Christian doesn’t deserve and explanation for. Like I said Olli showed way more consideration than he’s gotten. Too damn bad it was wasted on his family, both Christian and Charlie in this episode.
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Post by pru on Aug 23, 2011 18:26:03 GMT -5
LadyArmand, spot on. Olli was so honest and vulnerable with Charlie. Christian must be rubbing off on her because her response was not very "mother"-like. It was hurtful. She totally dismissed him. Has Charlie asked Christian why he's still continuing to have sex with Theresa (even though he stated that he regretted starting up with her in the first place) weeks ago? I mean, it's supposedly perfectly fine for Charlie to sit up, berate & pass judgement on Olli for what he does, but somehow Christian's off-limits for Charlie to do the very same thing? Things that make me go "hmmm" Definitely, things that make you go hmm.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 23, 2011 18:31:30 GMT -5
This boy still goes to school That boy is of legal and consensual age in the country of Germany. It's not like Olli's hanging around high school areas, wearing a long trench coat, while he's bare assed naked underneath.
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Post by shiyo on Aug 23, 2011 18:33:44 GMT -5
DD, You seriously crack me up. Please, VL, have Olli become the Dusseldorf Elementary School flasher, please! Then Christian can really say, "Olli, you've changed"!
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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 23, 2011 18:38:49 GMT -5
I am a big Christian defender most of the time but that scene was hard to watch and Chrissy was just mean to Olli. My only consoling thought is that the fact that Chris walked out of the bar in such a passion showed how upset and jealous he was of Olli's admirer. Why Chris can't accept what Charlie said about him being the reason Olli is having self esteem issues is beyond me...i'm now mad at you Christian Mann. It could be that Olli doesn't show that vulnerable sdie to Christian. They talk for a minute and then they see red. He saw it in the street after the accident then Olli pulled away and he hasn't seen it sense. He doesn't think that it's a case of low self esteem, he thinks it Olli getting back at him. By that logic, Christian's continuing to sleep /have sex with Theresa (even though he "regrets" starting up with her, because he's trying to get back at Olli? Yet, he believes (and states) that Olli's the pathetic one?
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Post by philos on Aug 23, 2011 18:40:36 GMT -5
All this ep is another step in the fighting; Christian is choosing the easily way to have sex (Theresa always start), Olli is trying to found someone to show "yes I can", but both are looking and monitoring the other because they still care about. And each one is hurting the other how can; Olli surely is most sensible because is the unsure one in this couple. He's full of fear (to be old, unactractive, to be dismissed for a woman,...). Christian is still thinking that Olli at the end will forgive him and for this reason the divorce request will be the moment when first time Christian will understand what is loosing.
So, another month and half of trouble is in front of us , but our Dream Team will be rebuilt.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 23, 2011 18:44:56 GMT -5
Right now, I feel that Christian's "missing the docileness" of Olli, more than the "itensity" of him, by how he's reacting.
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Post by pru on Aug 23, 2011 18:53:01 GMT -5
This is my problem with Christian. He wants it both ways. He wants Olli to forgive him, but he wants that forgiveness on his own terms and without really doing any of the work it takes to earn it. He takes no responsibility for why Olli has reacted the way he has and yet he blames Olli for it. And worse yet, he then has the nerve to stand in judgment of it. I know Olli is a grown man, and he has to take responsibility for how he’s handled things. But there is a thing call cause and effect. The cause is Christian’s initial cheating Jessica and his on-going dalliance with Theresa the effect is Olli feeling like he has something to prove not only to himself but to Christian. And it pissed me off no end that Olli ran after Christian. But he did it because of the way Christian stormed out. He saw that Christian was hurt and jealous and foolish him, he thought that meant something. He actually thought it meant there was something still there between them which could be in some way salvaged. And Christian turned around and sliced that little hope into tiny ribbons with that razor sharp tongue of his. I was glad Olli gave as good as he go until the end. Why oh why does Christian always get to have the last damn word? What Christian doesn’t recognize in Olli is the person who has on countless occasions when he’s acted like an ass and acted out with women, taken his sorry ass back. This time enough was enough and it hurt more than Olli could bear. And yet he was still willing to run after Christian to try and explain something he didn’t have to. Something Christian doesn’t deserve and explanation for. Like I said Olli showed way more consideration than he’s gotten. Too damn bad it was wasted on his family, both Christian and Charlie in this episode. Well said, LadyArmand. Olli really needs to stop giving consideration to Charlie and Christian when all they ever do is sh*t on him and think they have a right to pass judgment on him and the decisions he makes about his life. I also thought it was ironic like candy pointed out that Christian had the gall to say he doesn't recognize Olli, when that line should have been said to him by Olli. He is just annoyed that Olli is no longer putting up with his bs and forgiving him for actions at this point that are unforgivable, especially since he has done nothing in the way of trying to be forgiven. He really acts like his sh*t don't stink and that he has done nothing wrong and I don't see him getting any epiphany moments where he will stop behaving like a walking asshole who conscends to Olli. As much as it annoys me that he ran after Christian, with his unworthy behind, at least he still cared enough to do so only to be treated like dirt beneath Christian's shoe. And I'm suppose to want them to reconcile? Really? Really?
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Post by pru on Aug 23, 2011 18:58:13 GMT -5
Right now, I feel that Christian's "missing the docileness" of Olli, more than the "itensity" of him, by how he's reacting. I agree, DD. And as far as that "missing the intensity" spoiler goes that was months ago. That is over and past. There isn't going to be some big moment where Christian is going to confess to missing the intensity with Olli. He has had plenty of chances to do so since it was spoiled and we got nothing. That should have occurred after he screwed Theresa for the first time and how many times has he been with her now? Too many to count since I believe he has sex with her on a daily basis and she is now his girlfriend.
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Post by philos on Aug 23, 2011 19:09:20 GMT -5
And I'm suppose to want them to reconcile? Really? Really? Only you can decide it, pru. from my POV, I want it and I want my Chrolli back, not this horrible version.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 23, 2011 19:39:52 GMT -5
Right now, I feel that Christian's "missing the docileness" of Olli, more than the "itensity" of him, by how he's reacting.
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Post by philos on Aug 23, 2011 19:43:54 GMT -5
Right now, I feel that Christian's "missing the docileness" of Olli, more than the "itensity" of him, by how he's reacting. Incredibile dictu! I agree with you! but soon he will miss the jockey bitch and the intensity too, so nothing more, poor Chrissie baby, and you must go back to your Oliver ;D
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Post by angelarose on Aug 23, 2011 20:00:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the caps Joanna, and the video May!
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Post by blaykee on Aug 23, 2011 20:07:38 GMT -5
I actually really liked today's show. Lots of good writing and excellent acting. Whether we like the words or not Thore killed that last line. And it was nice to see Olli interact with Ansgar and Tanya. I even felt for Jessica at the end trying so hard. And we had some nice eye candy!! Alles ist gut ;D
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Post by phoenix-feather on Aug 23, 2011 20:57:15 GMT -5
about the last epi-
I liked everything apart from the Chrolli scene.
Simply put: I didn't get it, nor am I gonna try.....for now.....
~~~~peace out~~~~
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Post by Trish on Aug 23, 2011 21:25:50 GMT -5
about the last epi- I liked everything apart from the Chrolli scene. Simply put: I didn't get it, nor am I gonna try.....for now..... ~~~~peace out~~~~ That might be the best way to go. Chrisiatn said that Olli was unrecognizable. Right now they both are. Olli isn't really doing the best thing, even at this point he porbably thinks it's his best option. Christian is so jealous that he can't see beyong that, to try and reach out to Olli to help him see what he's doing is wrong and actually at this point, I'm not sure that Olli would be able to take anything that Christian says as anything but an attack.
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Post by bkoz on Aug 23, 2011 21:32:31 GMT -5
about the last epi- I liked everything apart from the Chrolli scene. Simply put: I didn't get it, nor am I gonna try.....for now..... ~~~~peace out~~~~ That might be the best way to go. Chrisiatn said that Olli was unrecognizable. Right now they both are. Olli isn't really doing the best thing, even at this point he porbably thinks it's his best option. Christian is so jealous that he can't see beyong that, to try and reach out to Olli to help him see what he's doing is wrong and actually at this point, I'm not sure that Olli would be able to take anything that Christian says as anything but an attack. I mean Christian could just say good morning to Olli and Olli would take it the wrong way or he'd think Christian had a ulterior motive. I think nobody can tell Olli that what he is doing will not end well. I think something has to happen before he figures it out. You know to see and experience it for himself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 23:36:20 GMT -5
I'm going to start by saying that it seems that no one likes Olli in that office! ;D Tanja and Olli- awesome! Ansgar and Olli- awkwardly funny! ;D Charlie, I'm sorry to break it down to you but you surely need to TRY harder Clearly, you and Olli don't see the same good and the same evil. Christian just needs to stop spitting up in the sky, that crap is gonna come back down at his face I hope Olli never tries to follow him again. Jessica just needs a freaking photoshoot lesson ASAP! ;D Andi was funny even with his few lines! White t-shirt dude was such a loser! Thanks Joanna for caps and MM for the videos!
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Post by shiyo on Aug 23, 2011 23:41:19 GMT -5
sakurasakae, is your avatar Geoff and Pavel from Raw?
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Post by dalphine on Aug 23, 2011 23:44:32 GMT -5
They have destroyed Christian in my eyes. I understand Olli. I know he's not perfent no one is but Olli loved Christian like crazy as he told Olivia that time Christian was going to use steriods. Christian was Olli world he was first person in a long time that he loved and he would do anything for Christian.
Christian crushed his spirit when he cheated on him, Christian did the one thing that Olli fear the most that he would go back to dating women again and his fear came true. That's why Olli is so hurt and feeling lonely because he thought him and Christian would be together forever and thought Christian was his soulmate his one and only.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 23:44:54 GMT -5
sakurasakae, is your avatar Geoff and Pavel from Raw? YES!!!!! ;D ;D I love those two! Back on topic, Did Andi accepted a drink from Jessica!? ;D
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Post by shiyo on Aug 24, 2011 0:07:34 GMT -5
sakurasakae, is your avatar Geoff and Pavel from Raw? YES!!!!! ;D ;D I love those two! OK, I know I am off topic, but I just wanted to confirm! Yay! Do you know they are coming back for a third season? (I think) God, I was so into them at some point, not so much anymore. Love Geoff. Love adorkable Pavel. Ok. Back to Olli, who was looking FINE in this episode. I loved his poses at the end. Gorgeous head shots. Gimme some of that.
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