Spoiler Discussion - Days of Our Lives

[pru]

Ooh, thanks for 411 and I can't wait to see how this comes about and how Sonny and Melanie become so close.

[md1347]

Aug 13, 2011 14:23:14 GMT -5 centurion said:

No. Casey did not come up with WILSON. This shipper name was created by internet fans months ago when Sonny first arrived and the assumption was that he'd be with Will. That's long before this current interview with Casey and Molly. If anything, Casey simply borrowed the name after he saw it over the internet.

I still like WillY better. ;D

[pru]

You would, md.

[justinate]

My issue with this s/l is not one of impatience or feeling that I have been lied to. I have reiterated that TPTB can't possibly have lied to us because they never gave us official confirmation that Will's involvement in the gay s/l would be that he himself would be gay.

My issue is that what I am seeing right now is not "slowing down" the gay story but dropping it entirely w/r/t Will. We had hints of Will's unease before. Now we do not get those. No, I do not expect Will to start boinking Gabi and then decide in the midst of sex, "Oh man, it would feel a lot better if she was Sonny!" I expect Will to show some subtle indications of dissatisfaction, unease, etc. but not know with certainty why he feels that way. Now I know that men can have perfectly fulfilling heterosexual love lives before realizing that they are gay/bi. But the thing is, they have already shown Will to be more of a "questioning" teenager. So now, for him to have sex with a girl and decide it is perfect, does not indicate to me a realistic or organic trajectory towards his coming-out. It feels like backtracking. And I sense from the reactions on other soap forums, heck even this one, that other viewers feel this way too. Conservative fans, in particular, will dismiss Will's future coming-out as an inorganic plot twist or "stunt", rather than a natural progression of this legacy character's story. And I can't even disagree with them, because that's exactly the shoddy storytelling that TPTB have inflicted.

I guess the blame must go to Dena Higley since these are (allegedly) episodes that were fully written under her leadership. But ideally, we would have seen a moment of Will looking puzzled or disappointed, after putting on a facade of happiness for Gabi's sake. And no, this should not lead immediately into Will having sex with Sonny or anything like that. It can and should still be a slow progression. Sonny doesn't have to be the catalyst for Will's coming-out, just a good friend who Will can confide in about his burgeoning sexuality. If Will begins to realize slowly but surely (not one thing today and something else the next) that he is not attracted to Gabi/women but maybe to guys, he can talk about it to Sonny. IMO, the natural catalyst would be Will correctly identifying his crush on Chad for what it is. He will admit to Sonny that he has romantic feelings for their cousin's boyfriend, which can feed into some conflict. Sonny stands by Will as he comes out to his family, Gabi and their friends. Will pines for Chad, although he is repeatedly told (and knows) it will never happen because he's straight. There will be side plots of Grandma Marlena trying to get Sami to accept Will, Stefano telling Chad he shouldn't be friends with William and this causing a rift in Stefano's marriage to Will's other grandmother, Abby/Melanie trying to help Gabi accept Will and move on, etc.

While Will is pining for what he can't have, Sonny starts dating a new guy. Now finally Will realizes that Sonny has been there for him and he's been so blind to what was right next to him because of a crush that will never go anywhere. This sets up a neat little love triangle that leads, organically, into daytime's first same-sex pairing of two legacy characters. I don't care if that's six months from now, hell even a year, but they really need to set it up with some consistency. That is what is sorely lacking: consistency.

[Duskysoda]

And thats all because of all the staffing changes at the top,, the people who are in charge at Days have changed. It seems to me if the fans were to be respected by the new people in charge.. the major storylines would stay the same just get better tighter scripts

[Duskysoda]

Aug 13, 2011 16:18:19 GMT -5 pru said:

Ooh, thanks for 411 and I can't wait to see how this comes about and how Sonny and Melanie become so close.

So Sonny and Melanie are going to become the "Will and Grace" of Days? haha

[pru]

I wouldn't doubt it, Dusky.

[pru]

Aug 13, 2011 20:53:25 GMT -5 Duskysoda said:

And thats all because of all the staffing changes at the top,, the people who are in charge at Days have changed. It seems to me if the fans were to be respected by the new people in charge.. the major storylines would stay the same just get better tighter scripts

I have to stop you there, Dusky and disagree.

The people who are in charge of Days is ONE PERSON, Ken Corday, that has not changed and never will...since he owns the soap and is calling the shots.

The only thing that has changed is he got rid of a horrible writer and brought in some new writers who use to write for Passions and are familiar with gay storylines.

And as for respecting the fans, he is doing that by getting rid of all the dead weight storylines and bringing back fan favorites to make it a more well rounded show.

[Duskysoda]

Aug 13, 2011 21:11:05 GMT -5 pru said:

Aug 13, 2011 20:53:25 GMT -5 Duskysoda said:

And thats all because of all the staffing changes at the top,, the people who are in charge at Days have changed. It seems to me if the fans were to be respected by the new people in charge.. the major storylines would stay the same just get better tighter scripts

I have to stop you there, Dusky and disagree.

The people who are in charge of Days is ONE PERSON, Ken Corday, that has not changed and never will...since he owns the soap and is calling the shots.

The only thing that has changed is he got rid of a horrible writer and brought in some new writers who use to write for Passions and are familiar with gay storylines.

And as for respecting the fans, he is doing that by getting rid of all the dead weight storylines and bringing back fan favorites to make it a more well rounded show.

ahh.. something for Dusky to reflect on..LOL

[Duskysoda]

"Before Sonny's debut, rumor had he would be a love interest for the soon-to-come-out-of-the-closet Will Horton (Chandler Massey). Fas asked us via Twitter to ask when Sonny was finally getting a lover. His answer was somewhat surprising. "It was getting hot for a minute and I thought Will was going to be my love interest but now it's been four months and Sonny is still single. I haven't met anyone yet. I don't know who it's going to be – I heard Will but now I'm hearing Chad or maybe a new character. I really hope I get a love interest soon. Sonny needs to get some love."

SO THAT'S from a recent Freddy interview... what do we think of this? hmmmm

[Ed]

Aug 13, 2011 21:32:56 GMT -5 Duskysoda said:

"Before Sonny's debut, rumor had he would be a love interest for the soon-to-come-out-of-the-closet Will Horton (Chandler Massey). Fas asked us via Twitter to ask when Sonny was finally getting a lover. His answer was somewhat surprising. "It was getting hot for a minute and I thought Will was going to be my love interest but now it's been four months and Sonny is still single. I haven't met anyone yet. I don't know who it's going to be – I heard Will but now I'm hearing Chad or maybe a new character. I really hope I get a love interest soon. Sonny needs to get some love."

SO THAT'S from a recent Freddy interview... what do we think of this? hmmmm

Dusky, I don't think Freddie is even allowed to give a small hint. All the actors and actresses were forced to keep every single thing that will happen in the show secret. Even if he knows, he wont say.

[pru]

I don't really think anything of it.

Especially the Chad mention since he and Abby declared their love for each other and we know they've slowed down the story and we still have to wait to see the new writing.

And they way things are going Sonny is kinda busy embroiled in family stuff right now, but I do agree he does need some loving. And if this were a soap like GTST, we would have seen Sonny hooking up with some cute guy he met and it not being anything serious.

[blake]

When an actor/actress signs a contract there is a confidentiality which means that when they give out interviews they can't give out important information.Untill the storyline begins or is about to begin.I think with Freddie I think what he was doing was giving out hints well maybe it's Will maybe it's Chad or maybe it's somebody new.If he were just to come out and say yeah it's going to be whoever then he could be fired you really have to be carefull and not give out to much information.

[jjose712]

Sorry but i don't understand that policy. If you want your gay storyline to be a surprise don't give viewers a clue. Don't make press released announced the gay storyline, just let it happen.

With all this interviews the impression that i get is that they don't know what to do, maybe is a false impression and the writers have a clear idea about how develop this, but it seems the opposite

[blake]

Aug 14, 2011 7:58:01 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

Sorry but i don't understand that policy. If you want your gay storyline to be a surprise don't give viewers a clue. Don't make press released announced the gay storyline, just let it happen.

With all this interviews the impression that i get is that they don't know what to do, maybe is a false impression and the writers have a clear idea about how develop this, but it seems the opposite

Well that's the policy and I will tell you a little story to back me up Kristoff St.John (Neil Winters) off of Y&R was doing a radio interview one time.And the guy asked him what was coming up for Neil and he gave out the whole storyline and gave out very important information about the storyline.Well word got back to the excutive producer and the writers well they had to go back and rewrite the whole storyline.I remember cause Kristoff almost lost his job.I think with Days since word broke out that they were doing a same-sex storyline they want to be carefull and not say to much.

[Ed]

Here is the secrecy article: daysofourlives.about.com/b/2011/07/18/secrecy-on-the-set.htm from July 18.

[Ed]

Aug 14, 2011 8:04:37 GMT -5 mrfixit477 said:

Aug.24 Wednesday ("Carly is Reunited with Nicholas")
Gabi tries to seduce Will; Tad seeks revenge on Sonny.

I guess the first is because Will is still upset because Gabi told Kinsey they .
I wonder what that Tad will do to Sonny

[md1347]

Just take it for what it is and just roll with it or not but lets move on.

[blake]

Whatever T has planned for Sonny I believe it will back fire on his sorry butt well that's a bully for ya!

[pru]

T is an idiot and I'm not worried about his dumbass.

Sonny can handle himself and whatever that twit has in store for him.

[overtherainbow]

Just a suggestion, and maybe I'm too optimistic or whatever.. but maybe Will is one of them who will defend Sonny and stand up to T when he is going all homophobic on him, and that's how Sonny and Will are going to grow closer and become friends and eventually maybe something more?

[blake]

Aug 14, 2011 10:37:17 GMT -5 overtherainbow said:

Just a suggestion, and maybe I'm too optimistic or whatever.. but maybe Will is one of them who will defend Sonny and stand up to T when he is going all homophobic on him, and that's how Sonny and Will are going to grow closer and become friends and eventually maybe something more?

Yes Will is going to stand up for Sonny more I don't know if he will stand up to him on the 24 cause I don't know if Will will be on that epsiode.What has T so pissed is that he feels like he has every right in the world to bully Sonny.And that Will and people like that are not standing up for him I also believe that Sonny and Will need to build a friendship before anything else and I believe that this will help.Will defending Sonny and then yes something more will happen.

[jjose712]

I think Sonny is able to defend himself, at least that's one of the things i'm liking about the storyline (soap gay characters have a tendency to be whiny and helpless no matter how big and strong is the actor who portray them, probably because plot driven storyline usually have that problem).

And i don't understand why is T looking for vengeance, because Sonny did nothing to him, T was the one who want to take the pictures and the one who posted them online. And he seems a little stupid, not only Sonny seems to be the type that not let noone bully him, but Sonny's family seems quite dangerous.

And blake i understand what you are saying, but that's not what i'm talking about. I understand that it's not good that an actor spoil the storyline, i absolutely hate when ATWT producer talk about the end of all character more than a month before the end of the show (affecting a lot the final ratings of the show), but if you try to atract press headlines announcing a gay storyline, and then all seems so secretive that there's nothing on work, that can backfire you. And it's a little ridiculous that Freddy can't talk about his love interest when the girl who plays Gaby (and Chad and Molly) did it. In fact i think it's far worse in terms to atract audience, having Freddy saying there's no love interest at all for Sonny

[dcv3]

Aug 13, 2011 10:06:01 GMT -5 dcv3 said:

I for one think the story is still on. I think the new writers want this to be their story not DHs. Perhaps they thought the way it was currently written would not do the story justice. After the new writers were hired we have

1. Camilla's interview where she flat out states that Will is gay.

2. Deidre's interview where she talks about Will's storyline being "wonderful"

3. Now Casey and Molly's interview where I thought it was pretty evident that it would not be Chad.

Am I the only one who thought that the Will/Gabi scenes this week gave us plenty of sublte hints? Will obviously thought it did not go very well. Gabi didn't look overjoyed. There was absolutely nothing sexy or steamy about their scenes. Just my thoughts.

Guys the story is going to happen. It will be slow going but it is still on.


4. It came from Corday's own mouth after the new writers were hired when he interviewed with SOD. "It will be written much more slowly and carefully. It's a story about one of our characters coming to grips with who he is."

[pru]

I think Sonny is able to defend himself, at least that's one of the things i'm liking about the storyline (soap gay characters have a tendency to be whiny and helpless no matter how big and strong is the actor who portray them, probably because plot driven storyline usually have that problem).

And i don't understand why is T looking for vengeance, because Sonny did nothing to him, T was the one who want to take the pictures and the one who posted them online. And he seems a little stupid, not only Sonny seems to be the type that not let noone bully him, but Sonny's family seems quite dangerous.

I agree, jjose. Sonny doesn't need Will or anyone else coming to his rescue. He is more than capable of laying a beatdown on T if it comes to that. But you would really think after Victor got all up in T's ass he would realize what family he is trying to mess with.

But sadly, I guess you really can't change stupid since T seems the posterchild for it now.