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Post by deepdarkmidnight on Dec 20, 2017 18:01:16 GMT -5
I'm assuming that in one of these next two episodes that the spoiler of Will becoming the new Sami will happen? I don't think he has done anything Sami like yet, unless I'm missing something... I'm really excited for him to take on some of her personality traits, like not letting people walk over him (something he is going to need moving into the K mansion). I highly doubt the next two episodes from this week will have to do anything with the "new Sami" thing. I read it on a few sources a week ago, and it was supposed to happen before or during the talk between Will and Paul. I do believe it was another exaggeration from these not so credible sources. My only guess, is that the "Sami" attitude was when Will said to Paul that he and Sonny were moving together. Which is quite preposterous, to be interpreted in such a way. From now on, I think we should see spoilers from a general perspective instead of expecting every single detail to be true. |
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Post by Zathras on Dec 21, 2017 10:59:45 GMT -5
Reminder: this thread is for General Discussion only. Don't discuss spoilers in this thread. Thanks.
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Post by harmonium on Dec 21, 2017 13:05:04 GMT -5
Paul & John scene. My eyes got wet a little #PoorPaul somebody wrap him in a blanket pls! Yes. Christopher Sean is quite an actor. I felt for him that moment with his watery eyes. He's hurt deeply. |
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Post by boz-ruh on Dec 22, 2017 12:43:14 GMT -5
About 2017.12.21: Sonny promising he always will be at Will's side was really Sonny like I missed this side of him. ARIANNA! She is so cute. When she said "I got you" I cried. That scene was so emotional and if you didn't feel anything I suggest you to go get checked your heart. When Will stopped saying "Oh my g-" I guess he was thinking something like "Oh my god she is a little angel and not remembering her hurts so much" look at him he almost cried. When Will said "she is my little amazing girl" I would like if he had said "our" but its okay. When Ari becomes older she is gonna fight with her parents and she probably gonna say something like "you're not my real dad" to Sonny. I hope she would never say something like that but this is a soap opera and that brings drama. Party time. Omg Will is shy and nervous. He asks Sonny to not leave his side and Sonny comforts him. Stop my heart can't handle! I'm joking I have been waiting for this sweet scenes I'm more than ready! I don't know if you guys noticed but I laughed so hard! I'm talking about Chad & Ari. He closes her eyes when girls starts to fight  ; While everybody is worried Will is just watching and he is like "Yay family drama this is so fun!" God bless him. He even smiles a little look at him ; Will watches/stares at Sonny while others are giving the speech. I wonder what he is thinking  ; Also I'm so glad Gabi stopped JJ before it's too late. I kinda ship them. Both Casey Moss and Camila Banus did great. |
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Post by deepdarkmidnight on Dec 22, 2017 14:17:30 GMT -5
Today's episode was a gem for Wilson fans. Even though I was expecting that Sonny would also mention the bad things in their relationship (that's what the spoilers said).
The kiss was very eye-catching. What I like about Wilson (the original one with Chandler) is the tenderness and care they portray, and that's something I hardly think a Paul/Will pair could ever do.
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Post by talula on Dec 22, 2017 15:43:33 GMT -5
Today's episode was a gem for Wilson fans. Even though I was expecting that Sonny would also mention the bad things in their relationship ( that's what the spoilers said). The kiss was very eye-catching. What I like about Wilson (the original one with Chandler) is the tenderness and care they portray, and that's something I hardly think a Paul/Will pair could ever do. agree, i used adore WilSon... before they turned Will in lying cheater and Sonny into spineless doormat  ,today was feeling like their early days... the chemistry was there again  ... but it's was a bittersweet knowing what is coming... though my PaulSon heart still broken and bleeding  |
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Post by deepdarkmidnight on Dec 23, 2017 1:14:53 GMT -5
Fun fact: When Sonny opened the fotoalbum, the first picture can be seen with Guy Wilson on it. So they didn't care to photoshop this one.  Which is this pic right here:  |
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Post by talula on Dec 23, 2017 11:10:36 GMT -5
Fun fact: When Sonny opened the fotoalbum, the first picture can be seen with Guy Wilson on it. So they didn't care to photoshop this one. LMAO! i didn't notice that, Will probably guessing 'who the hell is this dude?!   |
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 23, 2017 15:45:21 GMT -5
Fun fact: When Sonny opened the fotoalbum, the first picture can be seen with Guy Wilson on it. So they didn't care to photoshop this one. LMAO! i didn't notice that, Will probably guessing 'who the hell is this dude?! Or wow, i changed a lot since that picture. Maybe it's lazy that they didn't change the pic or it was simply an inside joke |
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Post by talula on Dec 29, 2017 15:13:13 GMT -5
guess there is kinda evil irony in today episode that Will kisses Paul at NY midnight while Sonny is alone and looking for him... i remember another NY midnight when Will went to Paul's hotel room and had sex with him while his husband Sonny was waiting for him and drinking alone... i bet Ron did it on purpose ... though this time it looks like an evil joke than a big drama ...  though Sonny brought this mess on himself with own hands...karma is a bitch ... Will again forced Paul into the kiss... after Paul said he misses Sonny... all of them are pathetic ,lol btw that Chad and Sonny' hug was so full of intimacy and chemistry ... i love how Chad tenderly touching Sonny face then hugs him tight and kiss... why Chad is not bi?  |
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Post by shaunjohn401 on Dec 29, 2017 18:18:12 GMT -5
guess there is kinda evil irony in today episode that Will kisses Paul at NY midnight while Sonny is alone and looking for him... i remember another NY midnight when Will went to Paul's hotel room and had sex with him while his husband Sonny was waiting for him and drinking alone... i bet Ron did it on purpose ... though this time it looks like an evil joke than a big drama ... though Sonny brought this mess on himself with own hands...karma is a bitch ... Will again forced Paul into the kiss... after Paul said he misses Sonny... all of them are pathetic ,lol btw that Chad and Sonny' hug was so full of intimacy and chemistry ... i love how Chad tenderly touching Sonny face then hugs him tight and kiss... why Chad is not bi? I don't think they had sex on New Years. It was a couple of days after. Yeah they all pathetic but Will is still the worst in my IMO. He is making things much more complicated.  |
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Post by talula on Dec 29, 2017 18:53:39 GMT -5
guess there is kinda evil irony in today episode that Will kisses Paul at NY midnight while Sonny is alone and looking for him... i remember another NY midnight when Will went to Paul's hotel room and had sex with him while his husband Sonny was waiting for him and drinking alone... i bet Ron did it on purpose ... though this time it looks like an evil joke than a big drama ... though Sonny brought this mess on himself with own hands...karma is a bitch ... Will again forced Paul into the kiss... after Paul said he misses Sonny... all of them are pathetic ,lol btw that Chad and Sonny' hug was so full of intimacy and chemistry ... i love how Chad tenderly touching Sonny face then hugs him tight and kiss... why Chad is not bi? I don't think they had sex on New Years. It was a couple of days after. Yeah they all pathetic but Will is still the worst in my IMO. He is making things much more complicated. maybe they had sex later (i would rather forget it ever happened ,lol) but i remember how Will rushed to Paul hotel room on NYE and they were drinking champagne while Sonny was waiting for Will then got drunk and fall asleep,i wish Sonny would stop hold on Will who doesn't want him anymore, it's painful to watch, if Ron wants Horita to happen so let it be, just move Sonny out of this mess  Ron trying to replay same old story when Will neglecting Sonny, Sonny neglecting Paul, then Will and Paul jump in the sack... the circumstances are different but they all act pretty much the same... been there done that |
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Post by elliot on Dec 30, 2017 12:46:54 GMT -5
guess there is kinda evil irony in today episode that Will kisses Paul at NY midnight while Sonny is alone and looking for him... i remember another NY midnight when Will went to Paul's hotel room and had sex with him while his husband Sonny was waiting for him and drinking alone... i bet Ron did it on purpose ... though this time it looks like an evil joke than a big drama ... though Sonny brought this mess on himself with own hands...karma is a bitch ... Will again forced Paul into the kiss... after Paul said he misses Sonny... all of them are pathetic ,lol btw that Chad and Sonny' hug was so full of intimacy and chemistry ... i love how Chad tenderly touching Sonny face then hugs him tight and kiss... why Chad is not bi? I keep seeing posts about Sonny experiencing karma but what great crime did he commit? He moved on with Paul only because he believed Will to be dead. When Will turned out to be still living Sonny broke up with Paul to be with him. Should Sonny have continued on with Paul even though he loved Will? How honest would that have been? Sonny did what was right for him. The same way that Paul previously dumped Sonny to pursue fame and fortune through baseball because that was what he deemed to be important. Yet Paul is never castigated for having made that decision, so why should Sonny? And why is it that if a man is shown to be affectionate towards his friends, be they men or women, it should be viewed as sexual intimacy? I would hope that we were more evolved than that. |
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 30, 2017 15:27:33 GMT -5
guess there is kinda evil irony in today episode that Will kisses Paul at NY midnight while Sonny is alone and looking for him... i remember another NY midnight when Will went to Paul's hotel room and had sex with him while his husband Sonny was waiting for him and drinking alone... i bet Ron did it on purpose ... though this time it looks like an evil joke than a big drama ... though Sonny brought this mess on himself with own hands...karma is a bitch ... Will again forced Paul into the kiss... after Paul said he misses Sonny... all of them are pathetic ,lol btw that Chad and Sonny' hug was so full of intimacy and chemistry ... i love how Chad tenderly touching Sonny face then hugs him tight and kiss... why Chad is not bi? I don't think they had sex on New Years. It was a couple of days after. Yeah they all pathetic but Will is still the worst in my IMO. He is making things much more complicated. And that's exactly why i'm liking him so much. Let's be honest, Will always was an scheming jerk, yes he has a heart of gold and blah blah blah, but he had the ability of creating mess all around him. This time he is doing exactly the same but he is owning it, and i like that. This time he will not end in bed with Paul because Paul seduce him and practically forced him to end in his loving arms (well, he didn't have to force him that much, Will was pretty willing to end in bed) this time he will do it because he wants to do it (and he is putting subtle efforts in getting what he wants). I never liked the old Will, but the new one, i love him |
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 30, 2017 15:31:06 GMT -5
guess there is kinda evil irony in today episode that Will kisses Paul at NY midnight while Sonny is alone and looking for him... i remember another NY midnight when Will went to Paul's hotel room and had sex with him while his husband Sonny was waiting for him and drinking alone... i bet Ron did it on purpose ... though this time it looks like an evil joke than a big drama ... though Sonny brought this mess on himself with own hands...karma is a bitch ... Will again forced Paul into the kiss... after Paul said he misses Sonny... all of them are pathetic ,lol btw that Chad and Sonny' hug was so full of intimacy and chemistry ... i love how Chad tenderly touching Sonny face then hugs him tight and kiss... why Chad is not bi? I keep seeing posts about Sonny experiencing karma but what great crime did he commit? He move on with Paul only because he believed Will to be dead. When Will turned out to be still living Sonny broke up with Paul to be with him. Should Sonny have continued on with Paul even though he loved Will? Hodw honest would that have been? Sonny did what was right for him. The same way that Paul previously dumped Sonny to pursue fame and fortune through baseball because that was what he deemed to be important. Yet Paul is never castigated for having made that decision, so why should Sonny? And why is it that if a man is shown to be affectionate towards his friends, be they men or women, it should be viewed as sexual intimacy? I would hope that we were more evolved than that. Not the same at all. Paul dumped Sonny because they were young and he was not ready to come out and put in risk his baseball career. Sonny dumped him because his supposed dead husband resucited. Sonny suddenly forgot that he was about to commit with Paul and he forgot too that his marriage was a complete disaster. He didn't even need time to dump Paul to be with a guy who doesn't remember him (and who seems not that much interested in him) which should give Paul some sense of how much Sonny really loved him. Sonny is a good guy but that doesn't change the fact that he treated Paul like trash |
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Post by elliot on Dec 30, 2017 17:25:14 GMT -5
I keep seeing posts about Sonny experiencing karma but what great crime did he commit? He move on with Paul only because he believed Will to be dead. When Will turned out to be still living Sonny broke up with Paul to be with him. Should Sonny have continued on with Paul even though he loved Will? Hodw honest would that have been? Sonny did what was right for him. The same way that Paul previously dumped Sonny to pursue fame and fortune through baseball because that was what he deemed to be important. Yet Paul is never castigated for having made that decision, so why should Sonny? And why is it that if a man is shown to be affectionate towards his friends, be they men or women, it should be viewed as sexual intimacy? I would hope that we were more evolved than that. Not the same at all. Paul dumped Sonny because they were young and he was not ready to come out and put in risk his baseball career. Sonny dumped him because his supposed dead husband resucited. Sonny suddenly forgot that he was about to commit with Paul and he forgot too that his marriage was a complete disaster. He didn't even need time to dump Paul to be with a guy who doesn't remember him (and who seems not that much interested in him) which should give Paul some sense of how much Sonny really loved him. Sonny is a good guy but that doesn't change the fact that he treated Paul like trash I'm sorry but when Paul turned up in Salem just two years ago to have an operation on his shoulder, he told Sonny that, although he still had feelings for him, he would not risk his career by living openly as a gay person. That only changed when Paul was told that he would never be able to play baseball again and, at that point, he suddenly decided that Sonny was his destiny after all. Paul was not a young immature man at that time. He was a grown man able to make choices and for the second time he was all set to choose baseball over Sonny. Sonny only took up with Paul because he believed Will to be dead. Prior to that, he was flying back from Paris because he wanted to be with Will, even though he knew Paul was an option. Deep down Paul knew he was the second choice which is why he questioned JJ about Sonny and Will's marriage, why he asked Sonny if he could ever love him as much he had loved Will and why he lied about having seen Will alive and well in Memphis. Also Paul actually tells John that he knew Sonny would leave him to be with Will. Sonny dumped Paul for a second chance to be with his husband, the man he loved and who he thought was dead and a second chance to this time get things right. The fact that Will has no memory doesn't change that. It is completely believable for fiction and for real life. What would not have been believable is Sonny going ahead with a marriage to Paul knowing that he was not as much in love with him as he is with Will. |
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 31, 2017 8:40:50 GMT -5
No, there are no equivalence at all.
Sonny was about to marry Paul, it was supposed that he has more feelings for him that being the substitute of his dead husband and he dumped unceremoniously like he was an afterthought.
Will being interested in Paul is karma telling Sonny that he acted like a jerk
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Post by sunshine0786 on Dec 31, 2017 9:46:23 GMT -5
No, there are no equivalence at all. Sonny was about to marry Paul, it was supposed that he has more feelings for him that being the substitute of his dead husband and he dumped unceremoniously like he was an afterthought. Will being interested in Paul is karma telling Sonny that he acted like a jerk Sonny was about to marry Paul, but was still dreaming of his dead husband, and feeling guilt over getting married again. And no one should be considered a "substitute" husband. Either you've moved on or you didn't. Sonny has not moved on, and they made it clear before the wedding that that was the case. Sonny and Paul should not have gotten married regardless of Will being alive. And would it really be fair to Paul to marry him being the second choice? Staying with Paul would have been about obligation and not love. If I were Paul I would be hurt at first, but eventually I would be grateful because I would not want to be married to someone who was in love with someone else. |
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Post by HQ75 on Dec 31, 2017 13:09:12 GMT -5
I agree. I don't like the way Sonny handled breaking up with Paul but I also don't think Sonny was obligated to marry Paul once he knew Will was alive. We don't know what would have happened between Sonny and Will had Will not been strangled but we do know that Sonny & Will were still in love at the time Will died, even if they were apart at the time.
Having said that Paul had been dreaming of having another chance with Sonny for 4 years so it makes sense that he would want to take his shot with Sonny once he encountered him again.
I don't thinking any of these guys is in the wrong. Will has no memory of his relationship with Sonny and he's trying to honor what he's been told they had together but the reality is Will is drawn to Paul and there is nothing wrong with that. Paul is handsome, kind, sexy and currently single. None of these men are "perfect" they have all made bad choices at times and that is what you want in a good soap character in my opinion.
Some people can never forgive infidelity, some people truly can, some don't care in the first place.
At any rate, you don't owe your love or your life to someone else just because they want you. I'd love to see Sonny, Paul and Will mix it up for a few years so we truly don't know where they will wind up.
I say bring in some of the former homos of Days. Brian, Brant, Derrick and mix it up a bit.
I like that Will is torn between doing what he thinks he is supposed to do based upon what everyone is telling him and doing what he truly wants to do based on his on desires. I also don't blame Sonny for wanting to get back what he had with Will before it all went to Hell.
The wildcard is Paul. I really believe Ron can do some super interesting things with these characters that he couldn't with Felix Lucas and Brad and I'm excited to see where it goes. I just want them to have longevity!
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Post by elliot on Dec 31, 2017 13:34:48 GMT -5
No, there are no equivalence at all. Sonny was about to marry Paul, it was supposed that he has more feelings for him that being the substitute of his dead husband and he dumped unceremoniously like he was an afterthought. Will being interested in Paul is karma telling Sonny that he acted like a jerk Sonny was marrying Paul because Will was thought to be dead. Do you honestly believe that wedding would have happened if Will had not been murdered? And the writing was on the wall when Sonny fled the church. That, and the dream Sonny had about being in bed with Will, was the writers giving us a huge clue that he had not moved on from Will and was not ready to get married. Paul refusing to accept that truth even though it was staring him in the face is on him not on Sonny. As for this current situation, it is nothing more than plot driven drivel. Two years ago there was no suggestion that Will had any deep feelings for Paul other than sympathy for him being lonely and empathy for Paul's struggle with coming out. Paul wasn't even the first person that Will cheated with, which puts paid to the notion that Paul was in any way special. In fact Paul was of such little importance to Will that he had no problem blackmailing Paul's mother which, if it had been successful, would have denied Paul the chance to find out who his father was and doing whatever he could to drive Paul out of town. Now we are to believe that Will feels a closer connection to Paul than his own husband, his parents and his daughter. GMAB. And it isn't the only retcon nonsense, we also have Paul claiming that Will slept with him for a byline before deliberately outing him and Sonny having filed for a legal separation before flying to Paris. And if Will being interested in Paul is karma for Sonny what will Paul's karma be if he takes up with Sonny's husband, a man who is missing his memory and therefore not in a fit state to be a relationship with anyone? And when Paul knows such an action will devastate Sonny? |
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Post by jjose712 on Jan 1, 2018 8:53:20 GMT -5
No, there are no equivalence at all. Sonny was about to marry Paul, it was supposed that he has more feelings for him that being the substitute of his dead husband and he dumped unceremoniously like he was an afterthought. Will being interested in Paul is karma telling Sonny that he acted like a jerk Sonny was about to marry Paul, but was still dreaming of his dead husband, and feeling guilt over getting married again. And no one should be considered a "substitute" husband. Either you've moved on or you didn't. Sonny has not moved on, and they made it clear before the wedding that that was the case. Sonny and Paul should not have gotten married regardless of Will being alive. And would it really be fair to Paul to marry him being the second choice? Staying with Paul would have been about obligation and not love. If I were Paul I would be hurt at first, but eventually I would be grateful because I would not want to be married to someone who was in love with someone else. If he didn't move on, he should had not marry Paul. Period. The truth is he was dishonest with Paul if he was not really in love with him, so basically i think he totally deserves Will not being interested in him |
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Post by jjose712 on Jan 1, 2018 9:01:07 GMT -5
No, there are no equivalence at all. Sonny was about to marry Paul, it was supposed that he has more feelings for him that being the substitute of his dead husband and he dumped unceremoniously like he was an afterthought. Will being interested in Paul is karma telling Sonny that he acted like a jerk Sonny was marrying Paul because Will was thought to be dead. Do you honestly believe that wedding would have happened if Will had not been murdered? And the writing was on the wall when Sonny fled the church. That, and the dream Sonny had about being in bed with Will, was the writers giving us a huge clue that he had not moved on from Will and was not ready to get married. Paul refusing to accept that truth even though it was staring him in the face is on him not on Sonny. As for this current situation, it is nothing more than plot driven drivel. Two years ago there was no suggestion that Will had any deep feelings for Paul other than sympathy for him being lonely and empathy for Paul's struggle with coming out. Paul wasn't even the first person that Will cheated with, which puts paid to the notion that Paul was in any way special. In fact Paul was of such little importance to Will that he had no problem blackmailing Paul's mother which, if it had been successful, would have denied Paul the chance to find out who his father was and doing whatever he could to drive Paul out of town. Now we are to believe that Will feels a closer connection to Paul than his own husband, his parents and his daughter. GMAB. And it isn't the only retcon nonsense, we also have Paul claiming that Will slept with him for a byline before deliberately outing him and Sonny having filed for a legal separation before flying to Paris. And if Will being interested in Paul is karma for Sonny what will Paul's karma be if he takes up with Sonny's husband, a man who is missing his memory and therefore not in a fit state to be a relationship with anyone? And when Paul knows such an action will devastate Sonny? And right now there's no evidence that Will has feelings for Paul either. The situation is basically the same, Will is very atracted to Paul and that's all. The difference is that he doesn't feel the responsability towards Sonny that he felt back then (not that it stopped him from cheating anyway). Right now he doesn't remember Sonny and even if he doesn't want to hurt him the truth is that he feels more attracted to Paul. Sonny is making the same mistake that he made when he start to date Will, pressure him to go in a fast route when he clearly is not ready (or simply don't want). If Sonny wasn't really in love with Paul he should not marry him, and he was about to do it. Till now Paul did nothing wrong (i hope he'll do something very very wrong soon). Will was the one making all the moves. If he sleeps with Will it'll be a different story because it will came into question how much he really loved him when he is doing something that'll hurt him. Sonny supposed to love Paul and that didn't stop him to dump him the moment Will appeared, so Paul's responsability it will be relative. He seems in love with Sonny, but Sonny only need a couple of bad steps to make that love gone and Paul totally free to hook up with whoever he wants. In fact a good argument with Sonny and i predict he will end in Will's arms in no time (probably he will regret a lot lately) |
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Post by deepdarkmidnight on Jan 2, 2018 14:04:34 GMT -5
I still can't come to terms with the reasoning behind Will's draw towards Paul. The "I don't feel pressured being around you" is lame, dishonest and uncreative. But today was just laughable by Will putting his connection to Paul on the same level as to Marlena. The guys have barely talked since Will came back to Salem, and the interaction between him and Paul can't even be compared to what Will have shared with Marlena over the past months.
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Post by shaunjohn401 on Jan 2, 2018 15:57:30 GMT -5
I still can't come to terms with the reasoning behind Will's draw towards Paul. The "I don't feel pressured being around you" is lame, dishonest and uncreative. But today was just laughable by Will putting his connection to Paul on the same level as to Marlena. The guys have barely talked since Will came back to Salem, and the interaction between him and Paul can't even be compared to what Will have shared with Marlena over the past months. Will doesn't know Paul. I think they have spoken three or four times since he came back to Salem. This so forced that why I am having a hard time buy it. |
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Post by LadyArmand on Jan 2, 2018 17:15:01 GMT -5
This whole thing with Paul is the shows why to trying to keep him relevant. Let's face it without Sonny and or Will Paul has no story line. Not to mention that he has little personality, he's about as exciting as dry toast.
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