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Post by mandalai on May 18, 2011 17:15:33 GMT -5
I saw the episode and I have to admit that i like it. 5 minutes are not much but overall the episode is well done. that part of the book have not a great sense but also shows the confusion that Olli has in his mind. I liked very much the final part and Hagen's speech too because it is what Christian (that misses Olli so much)needs at this moment, and also the beautiful part of Rebecca and Charlie at the end that show that there is someone that care about Chrolli.Maybe I will be unpopular but this is what i think.Good work today. Bel7003 Christian's face was so sweet I'm with you, you know and Christian face was so tender, sweet, adorable, so longing for his man...
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Post by sonia38 on May 18, 2011 17:18:10 GMT -5
Love is a bitch. When you love someone and you desperately want that person how the hell do you cope when you can't be with the one you love.
Olli can drop the tears like no other but since he is so lonely without Christian and so upset all the time why don't he just reach out to him, I will never understand the stubbornness of others.
I like Andy, I really do but most of the times lately he has been a complete jackass. Could he not see Olli was in pain, was this his solution to help his friend. I guess he forgot what a great friend to him Olli was when he was going thru all the bad times in his life.
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Post by mandalai on May 18, 2011 17:20:04 GMT -5
Love is a bitch. When you love someone and you desperately want that person how the hell do you cope when you can't be with the one you love. Olli can drop the tears like no other but since he is so lonely without Christian and so upset all the time why don't he just reach out to him, I will never understand the stubbornness of others. I like Andy, I really do but most of the times lately he has been a complete jackass. Could he not see Olli was in pain, was this is solution to help his friend. I guess he forgot what a great friend to him Olli was when he was going thru all the bad times in his life. SO SADLY TRUE, MY FRIEND...
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Post by sonia38 on May 18, 2011 17:26:16 GMT -5
The trust in gone for Olli, it's no longer there, he cannot trust anything Christian say or do, he really and truly needs time to deal with this but everything is all jumbled up and he does not know if he's coming or going. If Christian thought Olli was going to be forgiving as easily as the other times, he finally see that he's wrong about that one.
Christian is caught between a rock and a hardplace and have no place to go when it comes to getting through to Olli. He needs to give him time, he really does. That's what you do when you love someone and cause them such hurt and pain, you step back and give them time to heal.
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Post by mandalai on May 18, 2011 17:34:22 GMT -5
I agree. Olli needs time, he's confused shocked, upset. The only thing he's sure is the love for Christian that's why he can't stand his closeness... the desire of his arms is still so strong and he prefers to avoid the body and visual contact. Christian is upset, too. This is the first time he has to deal with a very big crisis in his relationship and he's alone... too bad there is not Gregor or Judith... so, I appreciated Charlie and rebecca good intentions and Hagen support... for the first time I thought Hagen wasn't boring and boring and boring....
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Post by joanna on May 18, 2011 17:36:42 GMT -5
Thank you, MM.x Sorry for the lateness of these, folks...Oh the joys of the 'internet connection'.... I've now edited into the thread opener[/url], as enlargeable thumbnails, today's caps. CLICK THE FIRST OF THE BELOW PICS to view all of my caps in their full size...
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Post by mandalai on May 18, 2011 17:42:34 GMT -5
thanks Joanna, so preciuos, so tireless Olli's tears so sad to see and Christian looking at the photos... totally devastating... Hagen expression is PRICELESS ;D;D ;D
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Post by jos87 on May 18, 2011 17:45:02 GMT -5
but Hagen in that photo wanted to show to Christian that he can replace Olli in bed? Interesting Thanks Joanna for the caps
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Post by sonia38 on May 18, 2011 17:47:17 GMT -5
Charlie: You miss him a lot Olli: No comment Rebecca: Christian still lives at the stables Olli: Still no comment Charlie: You two love each other Olli had no answer for that one, he definitely could not say no cause he know he would be lying, he loves Christian like crazy and just wants his husband back but just don’t have a clue what to do about it. If Christian only knew the amount of tears Olli has shed over him. Now that I watched the show again, I see where Andy was just trying to cheer Olli up in his own crazy way so I can cut him some slack. How old is Charlie anyway, she was certainly rocking those jeans. As for Olli jeans, he has been wearing those for three years now, he had them from the first year he met Christian, I think it’s time he hung us those double zipper jeans.
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Post by Trish on May 18, 2011 18:49:59 GMT -5
After watching with the translation, Olli's reaction made more sense. He knew that being around Christian, it was hard to resist being near him and he was afraid that like in the book they would have sex and that would destroy the chance of them getting back together. I understand where he was coming from, but Charlie and Rebecca were there. Did he really think that something would happen? Who knows, maybe he did.
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Post by dalphine on May 18, 2011 18:54:23 GMT -5
Twatt... I was just writing something similar to your post but then decide not to.
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Post by gabyta07 on May 18, 2011 19:08:11 GMT -5
The trust in gone for Olli, it's no longer there, he cannot trust anything Christian say or do, he really and truly needs time to deal with this but everything is all jumbled up and he does not know if he's coming or going. If Christian thought Olli was going to be forgiving as easily as the other times, he finally see that he's wrong about that one. Christian is caught between a rock and a hardplace and have no place to go when it comes to getting through to Olli. He needs to give him time, he really does. That's what you do when you love someone and cause them such hurt and pain, you step back and give them time to heal. I do get what you are saying but not many can or know how to give time to your partner. Like me persoanally, Im the kind of person, that when Im having a problem with someone, I dont want to give time to the other I want to resolve the issue now and there...I know that sometimes the healthy thing to do is to give time. But being by myself with my thoughts is torture...thinking about him is torture. So what Im trying to say, is that not everyone can do it, doesnt matter how much you love the person. And maybe Christian is one of them, being without Olli is torture for him, too much hurt, even though he is to blame. So from what we gather in episode 148, Christian, is going to take a step back, bc he is suffering too much and he cant deal with it, probably he is going to think the break up is for good.
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Post by Trish on May 18, 2011 19:12:29 GMT -5
It's possible, but I think he is thinking that he has to keep his distance and wait for Olli to make the next move. Maybe he should have gone and picked up a copy of the book that Olli was reading. That way he would know what his role is suppose to be, because right now I don't think he has a clue.
I wonder if Olli's book tells him how long you are suppose to take a break.
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Post by sonia38 on May 18, 2011 19:21:06 GMT -5
I doubt he got that far in the book, he's too busy being all over the place being upset and shedding the tears.
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Post by bkoz on May 18, 2011 19:24:08 GMT -5
It's possible, but I think he is thinking that he has to keep his distance and wait for Olli to make the next move. Maybe he should have gone and picked up a copy of the book that Olli was reading. That way he would know what his role is suppose to be, because right now I don't think he has a clue. I wonder if Olli's book tells him how long you are suppose to take a break. Man twatts, you make me lol at Olli and his relationship book and how long he's suppose to take a break from Oh and thank you joanna for the caps
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Post by sonia38 on May 18, 2011 19:31:25 GMT -5
Did you notice the big smile on Christian's face when he was at the door, probably expecting Olli to answer the door but then he saw Charlie and the big smile disappear. And then the look on his face when he finally saw his baby...ah.
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Post by bkoz on May 18, 2011 19:33:54 GMT -5
Did you notice the big smile on Christian's face when he was at the door, probably expecting Olli to answer the door but then he saw Charlie and the big smile disappear. And then the look on his face when he finally saw his baby...ah. Yup, I did.
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Post by Trish on May 18, 2011 19:49:20 GMT -5
Did you notice the big smile on Christian's face when he was at the door, probably expecting Olli to answer the door but then he saw Charlie and the big smile disappear. And then the look on his face when he finally saw his baby...ah. Yup, I did. I did too. I was thinking, when Olli threw he out, it was so sad. Rebecca and Charlie like Chrisitian. I know Olli wanted him out of his place, but it was kind of like he wasn't only tell him to stay away from him but from them too. It would have been nice if Rebecca could have come back to the stables to talk to Chrisitian, instead of Hagen and Dana, but I guess we had to see Dana make her googoo eyes at Hagen when he made his big declaration of how important the stud farm and they are to him.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2011 21:06:25 GMT -5
Did you notice the big smile on Christian's face when he was at the door, probably expecting Olli to answer the door but then he saw Charlie and the big smile disappear. And then the look on his face when he finally saw his baby...ah. I know! I thought the same thing! and then when their eyes finally met Oh man! I saw too many feelings and emotions in those few seconds
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Post by mitsaso on May 19, 2011 7:35:14 GMT -5
That's right! And Mitsaso, if you say something about him being blond... ;D I actually liked Andi's attempt to cheer Olli up, and I LOLed at him vandalizing that stupid book! ;D ;D ;D Otherwise, this was a perfectly good yet ultimately too short episode for us! It feels to me like the writers can't think of something to write for Chrolli other than "they're apart but still love each other epically", so they write these basic little snippets to showcase that without building a larger, more detailed storyline around it. They could have shown Christian finding that CD and remembering what it meant to him and Olli. They could have shown us an actual conversation between Chrolli/Rebecca/Charlie before jumping to Olli dramatically kicking Christian out. They SHOULD have shown us Christian being more devastated rather than just angry/surprised etc all the time. It sure is his thing to do, but I wanted to see him cry too. Preferably during the shaving scene, to remind me that epic crying fit he had in front of the bathroom mirror in 2008. It seems like the director's are cutting out all the Thore scenes and keep only the Jo ones because he cries so prettily, but that makes things seem a little uneven. Olli looks devastated yet already decided to ditch Christian for good, while Christian seems to live in a faraway fairytale land where eventually Olli will forgive him without even trying. And as for Olli, boy, did I feel like slapping him when he acted out like that. God knows I've done similar things in similar situations, but god, I didn't ridicule my ex in front of other people like that, and I certainly didn't take some bored housewife's book as a Bible to follow during my break-up! I felt so sorry not only for Christian, but for Charlie and Rebecca as well. This was supposed to be a "time out" so that Olli has time to see if he has it in his heart to forgive Christian. But Olli makes it look like it's already over for him, and he just hasn't bothered to outright say it to Christian. The writers could and SHOULD have handled this story much better, since they decided to go for it, but I strangely found myself enjoying these 5-6 minute snippets so far.
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Post by Trish on May 19, 2011 7:41:39 GMT -5
You made some really good points mitsaso. They are telling the story, but leaving out alot of detail. Chrisitian's side is definitely being slighted.
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Post by teachgirl on May 19, 2011 8:30:37 GMT -5
You made some really good points mitsaso. They are telling the story, but leaving out alot of detail. Chrisitian's side is definitely being slighted. But would we want them telling Christian's side if they did it as badly as they did Olli's in this ep? With that Andi scene at the end, I thought that actually they were sort of mocking Olli -- like "isn't this book ridiculous." Here is a man who first rejects therapy when Christian suggests it, then tells Andi to take therapy more seriously, then looks for advice from a stupid book probably written by some hack therapist. I want Christian to really feel Olli's pain and understand how badly he's hurt him, but I don't want any more scenes where I feel like laughing when I should be feeling his pain. All that said, I enjoyed watching this anyway because, as usual, the acting was awesome. Even Rebecca's (!) reaction to Olli's kicking Chrsitian out was pretty well done.
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Post by valso on May 19, 2011 8:37:14 GMT -5
Thank you so much Joanna and Mercury for your endless work! The authors are surely taking their sweet time, but it's good from my point of view. And I'll take any way I can get of a little more Christian's feelings in the mix to make things more balanced.
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Post by teachgirl on May 19, 2011 8:43:33 GMT -5
Thank you so much Joanna and Mercury for your endless work! The authors are surely taking their sweet time, but it's good from my point of view. And I'll take any way I can get of a little more Christian's feelings in the mix to make things more balanced. You're probably right that I shouldn't be so picky -- of course seeing Christian in any way is better than not seeing him. I just have this pet peeve about relationship advice books; they remind me of my bad experience with child-rearing advice books.
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Post by Trish on May 19, 2011 8:44:24 GMT -5
Thank you so much Joanna and Mercury for your endless work! The authors are surely taking their sweet time, but it's good from my point of view. And I'll take any way I can get of a little more Christian's feelings in the mix to make things more balanced. I would too. It wouldn't even have to be much. Someone mentioned him crying while he was shaving, I mentioned him nicking himself. Just a small sign that moving on wasn't going to be easy. Rebecca is Christian's friend too and to think that after watching Chrisitan leave the flatshare devastated, she go and have a drink with Charlie, instead of going to check on her friend. I guess the writers are more into hitting you over your head, not sutlties. By the way, what was with Kim listening to Charlie/Rebecca conversation?
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