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Post by teachgirl on Apr 11, 2011 13:56:52 GMT -5
I started to watch and mediathek and simply couldn't continue -- suppose I'll watch MM's vid later. I don't read spoilers, but I have watched soaps for more years than I'll usually admit to, and I have seen this sort of stuff time and again. Obviously a setup, the truth will come out, etc. Just not sure if I can watch what happens in between. I had wondered why they were pushing the Christian-Andi friendship so hard over the last few months, and now I know. I hate that he is paired with/paralleled to Andi here. Actually watching it reinforces that nothing happened. So it's not that bad in that sense. So I steeled myself and watched. Of course nothing happened. The point is that Christian allowed himself to be there at all. Still doesn't know how to handle his anger, doesn't know how to deal with conflict with Olli. But Aaso feeling better that he wasn't paired with Andi in dishonesty, that he told Olli.
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Post by fillelina on Apr 11, 2011 13:58:06 GMT -5
I didn't need to see any embarrassing jesicca to be sure that Christian didn't cheat .... exactly, the flashbacks were totally pointless. You can't even speculate based on them, there was nothing there - it was just painfully embassaring to watch.
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Post by kira on Apr 11, 2011 13:59:49 GMT -5
Not to mention that Christian kept slipping into "Thore mode" during those scenes, especially in the stripping scene... he all but said "look how hot my girlfriend is! And I'm tapping that!! *fist bump*"! In some sense that might be a comforting fact ;D BUT I really would NOT like to think about things like that, yuck! How could they ever thought it would be a good idea to put Thore/Jana into the scene like that? I'm sure many of you disagree with me, but for me it just crossed the line Yes, he definitely came across more like himself than Christian in those scenes. That´s why I find it so hard to judge what was really going on there. In the back of my mind there are always thoughts like "the only reason Jessica is all over Christian and not the other guys, is because of their real life relationship". Let´s be honest, if there are five guys and the director tells her to "seduce" them who wouldn´t concentrate on her boyfriend instead of some stranger?!
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 11, 2011 14:05:28 GMT -5
But the problem is that in this scene Thore *is* Christian. It's not like we can say, ok Thore took over for that scene while Christian was off somewhere looking disgusted or bored.
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Post by katiem26 on Apr 11, 2011 14:05:52 GMT -5
Surely if they remembered those flash backs they would have remembered everything. IMO could have been written a lot better and definitely acted better.
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Post by fillelina on Apr 11, 2011 14:06:50 GMT -5
But the problem is that in this scene Thore *is* Christian. It's not like we can say, ok Thore took over for that scene while Christian was off somewhere looking disgusted or bored. Exactly, that's why the scene just simply didn't work at all!
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Post by teachgirl on Apr 11, 2011 14:10:45 GMT -5
Yes, okay, Thore's acting is not the greatest here. And yes, maybe the show shouldn't have put them in a scene together. But actors do what writers and directors tell them to do. From all the interviews of Thore I have seen, and especially from watching the videos of the GOOL panels, Thore comes across as extremely professional. Both his and Jo's professionalism is part of what allows us to enjoy their perfomances so much (most of the time). I assume that he and Jana and everyone else in this scene did what the director wanted them to do. If the scene comes across badly (as I think it does), it is the show's fault for choosing to air it rather than reshoot it some other way.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 11, 2011 14:10:18 GMT -5
Thore had to act it, somebody had to shoot it and somebody had to approve it in editing. And both Jessica and Andi commented about Christian's behavior with Jessica. They seem to be going somewhere with this with both Jessica and Andi asking Christian what is up with him and women and Christian not replying.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 11, 2011 14:14:48 GMT -5
Yes, just because it wasn't what we wanted to see doesn't mean that it wasn't at least partly what was asked for.
That said, I thought the acting was still pretty weak at times, like when Andi and Christian went to confront Jessica. Andi was overdoing the faces a bit (like when they look at Jessica's mobile pictures) and Christian just looked odd.
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Post by gelybi on Apr 11, 2011 14:15:41 GMT -5
I must confess I was afraid of watching this episode, but for me it was just funny, I didn't see anything else in it. The flashbacks were so over the top it made me laugh and the striptease (Jana did for Thore ;D) seemed a soft porn video they were filming to post online . It was definetely Thore there and not Christian. He used all the faces we usually see when he's not in costume. It seemed more like a private party between the two actors and not a shot for VL. Another funny thing is that the slut's picture with Andi is way less compromising than the one with Christian, and is Andi who obviously is more afraid of it. When Thore remembered he was acting and Christian came back, I loved his "Scheisse" after seeing the picture, it was so natural it made me laugh out loud. Frau Lentil laughing at Jessica was another priceless moment and of course the great Jo never dissapoints, Olli all alone in the cabin was perfectly dramatic. Anyway, as a conclusion, I'm pretty sure none of them had sex that night. Jessica's face when she realized they didn't remember was sooo amused, she's just taking advantage of the boy's stupidity.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 11, 2011 14:20:25 GMT -5
I read somewhere else and I agree: Jessica probably had already intended to use her only lightly incriminating pictures to annoy Olli and Helena and brag about it. That they don't remember what happened and she can now make up even more stuff is just a lucky coincidence for her.
And no, she definitely didn't look like she had satisfying (or really any) sex with one or two guys just before.
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Post by katiem26 on Apr 11, 2011 14:20:28 GMT -5
I wonder how long we will be discussing and debating this. Hopefully our minds will be put to rest one way or another but i have a feeling other stories will take over.
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Apr 11, 2011 14:21:46 GMT -5
seriously, i'm SICK of the wondering and the questioning, I WANNA KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Davian on Apr 11, 2011 14:26:38 GMT -5
Anyway, as a conclusion, I'm pretty sure none of them had sex that night. Jessica's face when she realized they didn't remember was sooo amused, she's just taking advantage of the boy's stupidity. Genau. I think that's when she had the idea of blackmailing or whatever. I just don't get how the Lahnsteins put up with Jessica; she's been rude to everybody in that house, Justus is always scolding her for not doing her job, for being late... Go figure.
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Post by kira on Apr 11, 2011 14:26:58 GMT -5
Thore had to act it, somebody had to shoot it and somebody had to approve it in editing. And both Jessica and Andi commented about Christian's behavior with Jessica. They seem to be going somewhere with this with both Jessica and Andi asking Christian what is up with him and women and Christian not replying. So, what do you think they want to say with that? That he´s back into women or was never gay anyway.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 11, 2011 14:29:03 GMT -5
Thore had to act it, somebody had to shoot it and somebody had to approve it in editing. And both Jessica and Andi commented about Christian's behavior with Jessica. They seem to be going somewhere with this with both Jessica and Andi asking Christian what is up with him and women and Christian not replying. So, what do you think they want to say with that? That he´s back into women or never gay anyway. I doubt that. Probably more like having to put in a lot of effort to convince Olli that regardless of whether he is capable of finding women hot it matters not. It's not an exclusive or.
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Post by maya on Apr 11, 2011 14:29:19 GMT -5
Thore had to act it, somebody had to shoot it and somebody had to approve it in editing. And both Jessica and Andi commented about Christian's behavior with Jessica. They seem to be going somewhere with this with both Jessica and Andi asking Christian what is up with him and women and Christian not replying. So, what do you think they want to say with that? That he´s back into women or never gay anyway. I really hope not, it would be completely ridiculous
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Post by katiem26 on Apr 11, 2011 14:31:43 GMT -5
Thore had to act it, somebody had to shoot it and somebody had to approve it in editing. And both Jessica and Andi commented about Christian's behavior with Jessica. They seem to be going somewhere with this with both Jessica and Andi asking Christian what is up with him and women and Christian not replying. So, what do you think they want to say with that? That he´s back into women or never gay anyway. I thought he was supposed to be Bi but he fell in love with Olli which im convinced he still does. Im sure this is just to point us in the direction of Ollie fears and where the story line will go.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 11, 2011 14:35:16 GMT -5
I think at this point it would be pretty hard to deny that Christian does enjoy the sex with Olli And he does that regardless of how ok he is with a stripping Jess.
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Post by kira on Apr 11, 2011 14:35:23 GMT -5
So, what do you think they want to say with that? That he´s back into women or never gay anyway. I doubt that. Probably more like having to put in a lot of effort to convince Olli that regardless of whether he is capable of finding women hot it matters not. It's not an exclusive or. That sounds likely. He has to convince Olli that although he finds woman hot, he still only loves him and thinks Olli is hotter. I firmly believe that´s how it truly is for Christian.
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Post by katiem26 on Apr 11, 2011 14:46:05 GMT -5
I doubt that. Probably more like having to put in a lot of effort to convince Olli that regardless of whether he is capable of finding women hot it matters not. It's not an exclusive or. That sounds likely. He has to convince Olli that although he finds woman hot, he still only loves him and thinks Olli is hotter. I firmly believe that´s how it truly is for Christian. I agree with you Kira. There is nothing wrong with finding other people 'hot' cos I know I do and Ive been married many years now. But its knowing that what you have at home is far better and not worth destroying. Im sure Christian really loves Ollie and will find a way to prove it.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 11, 2011 14:54:17 GMT -5
I agree with you Kira. There is nothing wrong with finding other people 'hot' cos I know I do and Ive been married many years now. But its knowing that what you have at home is far better and not worth destroying. Im sure Christian really loves Ollie and will find a way to prove it. I kinda got the impression that he was kinda shocked at his own reaction, like he had been in denial that something like that could still happen to him (finding Jessica hot) and maybe that's why he confessed so quickly: guilt over the lusty thoughts and not because anything actually happened.
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Post by bel7003 on Apr 11, 2011 14:59:14 GMT -5
I agree with you Kira. There is nothing wrong with finding other people 'hot' cos I know I do and Ive been married many years now. But its knowing that what you have at home is far better and not worth destroying. Im sure Christian really loves Ollie and will find a way to prove it. That's exactly what I think. And that's why I don't really care for this "Christian is attracted to women" insistence. He finds women hot. So what? Olli finds other men hot. As long as they still love each other... (and keep the "jewels of the crown" in the safe...) ;D
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Post by kira on Apr 11, 2011 15:03:00 GMT -5
I agree with you Kira. There is nothing wrong with finding other people 'hot' cos I know I do and Ive been married many years now. But its knowing that what you have at home is far better and not worth destroying. Im sure Christian really loves Ollie and will find a way to prove it. That's exactly what I think. And that's why I don't really care for this "Christian is attracted to women" insistence. He finds women hot. So what? Olli finds other men hot. As long as they still love each other... (and keep the "jewels of the crown" in the safe...) ;D Exactly. Plus, Olli is bi, too. That´s a fact on the show. So he can find women hot as well.
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Post by gelybi on Apr 11, 2011 15:21:25 GMT -5
I think at this point it would be pretty hard to deny that Christian does enjoy the sex with Olli And he does that regardless of how ok he is with a stripping Jess. That's exactly why I find this topic and an SL based on "Oh, Christian still likes women" completely late. I don't think that's something you have to analyze after 3 years of being with a man and after accepting to marry him. It could have been more or less appropiate or at least acceptable if this SL took place before his coming out. Not now. It's completely ridiculous to have doubts at this point. And of course, as everybody said, it's not a matter of liking, it's a matter of who you love or who you chose to be with for the rest of your life. We never noticed he doesn't enjoy sex with Olli , at least I don't remember ;D
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