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Post by vanessa on Sept 27, 2012 3:55:03 GMT -5
I disagree. Doug was completely vile to Brendan tonight which showed his true colours. He was glad he was in a wheelchair! I am so glad Ste took care of Brendan and will stick by him and help him. He knows how important Brendan is to Ste and still is willing to help Walker without even talking to Ste. They don't communicate about anything: there is a reason Ste didn't tell him he told Brendan about the engagement. Brendan was right about that. Doug wanted to do it himself to rub Brendan's nose in it: this relationship is doomed at least as long as Brendan is in it. Brendan will sacrifice himself for Ste but not until they have got back together. Really? I mean come on, Brendan has done so many orrible things, said so many orrible things (Joel? The one human creature he is supposed to care about? Saying he should be the one who died? ) and Doug blowing up because BB is taunting him is 'showing his true colors'? Double standards pretty much? I mean, I get that people who ship Stendan will always support the couple (As it's their right to do) but you can't deny the truth. BB is toxic, he has always been and everything bad that happened since when he's been in Ste's life has been because of him somehow. Saying that Ste isn't safe with Doug but he is with BB is like saying he should be hanging out with lions instead of labradors... But oh yes, he can be redeemed after he has chopped up a body and suffocated Nanny or whatever her name was. He's good at his core... Everyone deserves a second chance, no matter what they've done in the past. I think Brendan is changing already and i'm glad. I want him to get counselling and have a normal, happy life. Weather it's with Ste or not, i really don't mind.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 27, 2012 3:44:04 GMT -5
How can anyone thing Doug is the one who's putting Ste in danger is beyond me. What has Doug done so far for people to come to this conclusion? Probably him agreeing to help Walker will have his side effects, but up until now he hasn't done ANYTHING, and just talking to Walker is not a reason for people to think he put Ste in danger. Isn't it clear enough that Walker is after Ste because of Brendan??? And Brendan, by not telling Ste that he is in danger, is putting Ste even more in danger. Maybe if Brendan told Ste the truth, he and Doug would've gone on a vacation as Brendan suggested or at least Ste would've been more careful when around Walker or when wondering around the village while looking for Bobby... Cheerios, in a part of your last post you said that Ste really knows Brendan, but I slightly disagree. I too think that Ste is the only one who saw a caring side of Brendan but he is way far from knowing completely who Brendan is and what he is capable of (as we saw in Later). Another part I disagree with you about is the fact that Ste would be a lot like Brendan if it weren't for Amy and the kids. We saw Ste recognizing he was a bad person and willing to change to be a better person and a good father to his kids, and he did manage to change. Brendan knows is messed up, but isn't willing to change not even to be a role model for his own kids. He doesn't have any remorse for all the bad things he has done, killing Danny, abusing Ste, killing (almost, but he doesn't know that) Mick, killing his grandma, cutting Mick's body into pieces, didn't he also put Pete into a wheelchair? and these are only the worst things he has done, who knows what he did before HO. He can be miserable, alone and scared as he is now but you won't certainly listen me say "poor Brendan". The situation he is in now is something he should've expected to happen sooner or later, given his actions. Really, this constant sanctification of Brendan that I read in comments or on blogs has become so annoying. That said, I think Doug was out of line when saying he was glad Brendan is in a wheelchair but I did agree with him when he said that Brendan is cancerous because he is. Tell me one time Ste was safe by being close to Brendan as I don't recall any. Not only Ste, but everyone who gets close to Brendan sooner or later will be hurt or in danger because of Brendan: Cheryl and Joel are a good example. I'm sorry, but i completely disagree. Brendan is not cancerous. Mercy is. He knows he did bad things in the past and he did show remorse. You should know that if you saw how he reacted after he killed Danny Houston. Ans with Pete it was a car accident. He is only trying to protect Ste. I think he didn't tell him about Walker because he didn't want to scare him. I think Brendan can change. And may i add, i'm finding Doug very creepy these days? He's so controlling and whiny.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 27, 2012 3:22:36 GMT -5
Vanessa I agree with you that Brendan would do anything to protect Ste. I don't see Brendan as cancerous, but maybe I'm bias because I love Brendan's character. Brendan is very very messed up which makes sense considering what has happen to him. And he's done some very very bad things, some of them were downright evil. But a part of him (even if it's small) is good, there is a human underneath all those layers of self hate and inner demons and rage. The character on Hollyoaks I see as cancerous is Mercedes, who used to be a good person. Sure she used to get in a lot of trouble and a lot of time of her own making. But she had a good heart and loved her family. But now stabbing herself and framing Mitzeee, threatening Nancy's baby, and kidnapping her own son. Mercedes takes no blame for what she has done, she has said before she would do the same exact thing if she had to do it again. She seems to see nothing wrong in what she's doing and doesn't see the monster she has become. Some could say that it was her abduction and impending death threats from Silas that turn her this way. But I'm not so sure. Brendan may be a bastard, but least he owns up to it. He knows he's bad news, he's hasn't messed with Ste in a while. Their relationship has lacked that menace in the last few weeks. He knows he can't be the dad his boys need, so he has them raised by their mom. He knows he's a freak of what his childhood, environment, and his father created. But Mercy, puts the blame of her actions on others. She sees herself justified in taking these horrible actions that only cause pain and suffering. And what's worse is she probably think what's she's doing is best for Bobby. That baby needs to be taken by Riley very far away from Mercy. Agreed. Brendan is trying to do the right thing. His priority is protect his loved ones. Mercy has crossed the line when she stabbed herself and blamed Mitzee. Even i find that hard to forgive. Doug is getting very controlling, don't you think? Poor Ste is constantly walking on eggshells around him. I loved Stug at the very beginning, but i went off them because Doug is always so whiny and constantly has tantrums. Why isn't it enough that he has Ste? He's ruining their relationship by not trusting Ste around Brendan.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 27, 2012 2:19:02 GMT -5
Just a couple of thoughts before I respond to some of today's discussion. I like that Doug at least tried to be civil to Brendan, for a while anyway. Of course it wasn't going to last, both because Brendan can't help but push his buttons, and because Doug just can't stand him. Like someone else said, I would like to see Doug be the better man, but I can't blame him for being "glad" that Brendan was injured. I think what he said was very true: "You're cancerous. The further away you are from him, the safer he'll be." I'd like to think that Brendan agreed, considering he subsequently decided to move out. He also thought he should be thanked with sex for allowing Ste to go and pick Brendan up from the hospital! That is what that 'do I get my thank you now' was all about at the end. Well, that's a guess on your part. That wasn't the first thought that came to my mind. I don't see Doug becoming possessive or controlling. The only thing that really seems to set him off is Brendan. I still think that's understandable. As for Brendan, I think it's to soon to say that he's becoming more laid back, or that he just wants to learn to feel and love, or that he's any less possessive. He manipulated his way into Ste's home. I think it was largely out of the misguided notion that he could protect Ste if he was closer, but I also suspect other motivations behind his actions. We may never know his real motivations. What do you think is the reason Ste didn't tell Doug that he told Brendan about their engagement at the hospital? I'm struggling to see how that's a bad thing on Ste's part. That said, I do agree they need big improvement in their communication skills. It's been a recurring theme in their relationship. It's also a soap staple, for whatever that's worth. No, Brendan caring for Ste is what has put Ste in danger. That's what I take from what Walker has said. Doug's probably going to allow himself to be used as a pawn in Walker's revenge plot (not that there's any reason for Doug to know Walker's true intentions). As for whatever Doug might do, that has yet to be seen. He didn't even say "yes" to Walker yet, and it looked like he was thinking about it. I would like to see how he arrives at his decision, but I bet we won't. I see no evidence that Brendan really accepts that Ste is with Doug, and his very presence in Ste & Doug's flat is interfering. He says the words "I'm happy for you," but does he mean them? I doubt it, but that's just me. And I'm sure he knew very well ahead of time that him going to Ste's flat would cause problems for Ste and Doug. "Could have?" Which past action are you referring to? Well, that remains to be seen. We have seen him willing to kill, but is he really willing to die for anyone? I'm skeptical, and maybe we'll find out. Sorry, but i can't agree with you. Brendan isn't cancerous. He's just very messed up. He made mistakes in the past, but he's trying to do the right thing. Doug telling Brendan he's glad he's in a wheelchair is out of line. I have a friend in a wheelchair and he was very offended by that. Doug is putting Ste in danger by agreeing to help Brendan. And yes. Brendan would o anything to protect Ste. I have no doubt about it.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 26, 2012 17:23:55 GMT -5
Vanessa to be fair, Walker is after Ste because Brendan is in love with Ste. And Walker knows that loosing Ste will hurt Brendan greatly. Not counting the times Brendan has been the source of Ste's danger. Being the love of Brendan's life has some dangers, Danny, Warren, and now Walker. Brendan should have told Ste to give Walker a large berth. That's he is dangerous and to go no where near Walker. Or Brendan should have tried to get Doug to take Ste on a holiday so he's far away from Walker.Doug shouldn't work with Walker, especially not without talking to Ste first. Sure Walker might be an undercover cop, but I don't think Doug's being smart about this. All he sees is Brendan out of Ste's life and he's acting immaturity. Ste and Doug need to actually communicate about the big things. This is what I was worried about, this is not a healthy start to an engagement. With this current storyline for Doug, I keep hearing the saying, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." This is going to end badly. See this is the bit I don't get. Brendan wants Ste to be safe. The threat to Ste is Walker. So why doesn't Brendan tell Ste that Walker is dangerous? If Ste doesn't know this then he cannot be wary of him. It might be frightening for Ste to know he is in danger but surely it's better to know, especially with Walker wandering round the village doing his psycho routine. I mean Ste could easily bump into him in the village and not be aware of the danger. The only reason I could think is that perhaps Brendan doesn't want Ste to find out that he sold drugs to Cam? If this is the case then it's silly. Dug was a drug dealer too at one point and hasn't Ste dealt drugs in the past also? So Ste can hardly kick off about that. Maybe Brendan doesn't want to frighten Ste? He's trying his best to protect him.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 26, 2012 16:44:04 GMT -5
Doug said that he was glad he was in a wheelchair. Now he's going to help Walker. He's ther one putting Ste in danger, not Brendan. Vanessa to be fair, Walker is after Ste because Brendan is in love with Ste. And Walker knows that loosing Ste will hurt Brendan greatly. Not counting the times Brendan has been the source of Ste's danger. Being the love of Brendan's life has some dangers, Danny, Warren, and now Walker. Brendan should have told Ste to give Walker a large berth. That's he is dangerous and to go no where near Walker. Or Brendan should have tried to get Doug to take Ste on a holiday so he's far away from Walker. Doug shouldn't work with Walker, especially not without talking to Ste first. Sure Walker might be an undercover cop, but I don't think Doug's being smart about this. All he sees is Brendan out of Ste's life and he's acting immaturity. Ste and Doug need to actually communicate about the big things. This is what I was worried about, this is not a healthy start to an engagement. With this current storyline for Doug, I keep hearing the saying, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." This is going to end badly. Brendan has accepted that Ste is with Doug. He's not interfering. If anything it was Ste who tried to kiss Brendan that one time. Waht happened to Cam was not Brendan's fault. He chose to take the drugs. No one forced him. Doug's action could have resulted in Ste's death. Luckily Brendan would do anything to protect Ste. Even die for him.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 26, 2012 16:00:44 GMT -5
Doug was being nice to Brendan and Brendan provoked that dose of truth that Doug serve up,did he go to far, maybe but at least it was only Brendan feelings that were hurt. Brendan should tell the truth about why he is worried about Ste if he does not what them to be in danger his lies are not helping the situation. Doug said that he was glad he was in a wheelchair. Now he's going to help Walker. He's ther one putting Ste in danger, not Brendan.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 26, 2012 3:15:36 GMT -5
Brendan, Ste and Doug living together! Oh dear! Three's a crowd! ;D ;D
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Post by vanessa on Sept 24, 2012 14:24:25 GMT -5
Oh God, oh God, oh God... I know Brendan will more than likely end up dead, but I don't want him to! Not yet, at least!! I want to see him try and work out some of his issues... Brendan can't die yet because we still have Pa Brady to come and he has to face him for all the abuse. I still reckon there is a good chance it is Declan as that would bring Pa but he would be buried in Ireland. People speculate it could be Riley as the actor is leaving and he is brave enough to tackle Walker. soaplife. 1st Oct Doug agrees to help Walker : but what is Walker really up to. Omg! Doug! You muppett!
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Post by vanessa on Sept 24, 2012 12:24:59 GMT -5
I think the events of Later has put me off Brendan for good. It's just too much for me. Later has made me love Brendan more. And Emmett has been incredible in it. He's the best actor Hollyoaks has ever had.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 24, 2012 12:19:40 GMT -5
I wonder why Hollyoaks is always so eager to rush young couples barely out of their teens, who have been dating for just a couple of months at best into marriage. It's so stupid, it's like they don't know what to do to create drama besides getting people engaged. I know it's a soap and so I shouldn't marvel at this, but the stupidity of the writing always manages to surprise me. Stug has been written horribly since they got together (and to be honest even before they got together... had Ste ever shown any romantic interest in Doug before Doug confessed his love to him? I don't think so, the thought hadn't even crossed his mind... and yet, I'm supposed to believe that Ste loves Doug? I don't. I believe in Doug's love for Ste, we saw him fall for him and struggle, but I don't get anything from Ste's side. And now they are engaged.... °_° ), everything is so rushed and unbelievable. Doug and Ste could be actually good together, but they have ruined the couple for me with a lot of stupidity. I like Stendan better because at least it's interesting in its screwed-upness, but there's no way it's going to end well. The only ending I see for Brendan is in a casket, probably sacrificing himself to save Ste. I love Stendan! They make a fantastic couple. They still love each other, but Ste is scared of getting hurt again.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 23, 2012 13:35:30 GMT -5
Ste doesn't seem very excited about this wedding. I wonder how he would react if Brendan proposed to him! Would he be shocked? ;D I felt the same way he didn't look happy he actually looked bothered and frighten.But he said yes to make Doug happy.But accepting the call from Brendan at the moment after sex with Doug was really rude of his part.But i loved it.Ste looked really concerned for Brendan. he was worried about Brendan. That proves that he cares a lot about him. ;D
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Post by vanessa on Sept 23, 2012 12:51:21 GMT -5
Ste doesn't seem very excited about this wedding. I wonder how he would react if Brendan proposed to him! Would he be shocked? ;D
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Post by vanessa on Sept 21, 2012 15:45:49 GMT -5
Ok, as happy as I am Stug are engaged because I adore them. And I have a fantasy of them owning that deli for a long time and being happy husbands. Making the deli into a family place where Leah and Lucas can come and work when they're old enough. Sorry rambling here... My head is reminding me that they really shouldn't be getting engaged because it's too soon. They haven't been dating that long. How long have they actually been dating? And it feels a bit rushed considering they just got through the sham wedding with Doug's parents. Not even adding on Brendan to the equation. I just have this fear that getting engaged will ruin them as a couple. Hopefully they will go for a long engagement where they can get to know each other better. That's what my sister and her fiancee are doing. They've been together two years, but have decided to live together first and get to know each other before rushing into marriage. Because you can love someone, but you have to like them as well. Living each day in and out with them, their habits, your habits, the good and the bad. Marriage is a very big step and you need a strong foundation or it will just come crumbling down on you. It all feels so contrived. No doubt they plan on Brendan to stop the wedding. I'm sick of Hollyoaks playing with the fanbases!
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Post by vanessa on Sept 20, 2012 23:20:33 GMT -5
I think it was rape. Brendan was holding Walker down. He didn't exactly give him a choice. It was wrong and he shouldn't have done that. How it was not rape? Walker looked terrified and traumatized.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 20, 2012 13:45:31 GMT -5
We don't even know if it's true or not. Sometimes spoilers are misleading. And yes. i'd be really pissed of with Brendan if he did that. It crosses the line. I've read all these rumours that Brendan rapes Walker. This comes from that very small snippet from the trailer. After last night it was so obvious that Walker wants Brendan to have sex with him. When you think about it Walker cannot pin murder on Brendan without some evidence. He has no witnesses ; he wouldn't know how Mick fell from the lighthouse. He doesn't know if Joel did it. He doesn't know who Mick is.: he has no motive. I think he Walker believes that if he has sex with Brendan he will tell him what he wants to know. Now we know from the episode after Doug harangued him that he took that fellow home. Lyndsey asked in the morning what the noise was all about. Brendan said something like 'a lot of man , a lot of drink'. We know therefore that Brendan likes it rough and even rougher when he is drunk. That doesn't add up to rape. Walker was trying to seduce him last night so it just looks like he is willing to go to extreme lengths to finally put Brendan behind bars. I hope so. Brendan is no rapist.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 20, 2012 12:10:37 GMT -5
Would that make it forgivable in your opinion? We don't even know if it's true or not. Sometimes spoilers are misleading. And yes. i'd be really pissed of with Brendan if he did that. It crosses the line.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 20, 2012 10:14:54 GMT -5
Even if Walker is the one who actually killed Mick, Brendan is not certainly the good guy in all of this. I agree with you Vanessa that Walker is willing to do everything for his revenge against Brendan. What surprised me about Walker is that he still considers himself a cop, even before suffocating Mick. I heard that Brendan rapes Walker! Even i'm shocked about this. It's so out of character! Unless he's remembering what happened to him as a child?
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Post by vanessa on Sept 20, 2012 6:14:35 GMT -5
I just realized something, Brendan's murder of Danny. It tied him to Warren, Foxy Senior. And now with the murder of Mick, even though it was Walker who killed Mick. It's still Joel, Scottish Foxy tied to Brendan. Like father, like son, both tied to Brendan with a murder, with blood. I'm worried for Joel, I don't know if his psyche can take the strain. And again I'm worried for Joel, Cheryl, and Ste considering if Walker is willing to kill Mick in his vendetta against Brendan. Than he's off the reservation and there is nothing he won't do or no one he won't destroy to make Brendan pay. Walker is so hellbent on revenge he would do anything. Even kill Declan and Ste.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 19, 2012 17:11:24 GMT -5
No. it was an accident. He was going for Brendan and Joel pushed him. He lost his balance and fell. I don't think you can call this an accident. Actually hanging someone off a lighthouse would be considered an act ' of reckless indifference to human life' and the test is that a 'reasonable' person would realize that death would result from such recklessness even if the perpetrators didn't think that. In the US this would be 2nd degree murder and here in the UK it would be manslaughter at present. Although they hauled him up , but for the fact that they had kidnapped Mick and hung him over the side of the lighthouse he would not have died. In law it is about cause and effect: the act A led to B and then to C. I am a great fan of Brendan but he went too far. At every stage Joel wanted to back out but he bullied him into going along with this. At any stage Mick could have fallen to his death and there was a moment when they nearly let him go. A good example is those kids who drop blocks of concrete onto cars below from motorway bridges. They don't intend to kill anyone but a reasonable person would know that may be the result. I agree to a point. And Walker killed Mick .
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Post by vanessa on Sept 19, 2012 17:09:40 GMT -5
I don't think you can call this an accident. Actually hanging someone off a lighthouse would be considered an act ' of reckless indifference to human life' and the test is that a 'reasonable' person would realize that death would result from such recklessness even if the perpetrators didn't think that. In the US this would be 2nd degree murder and here in the UK it would be manslaughter at present. Although they hauled him up , but for the fact that they had kidnapped Mick and hung him over the side of the lighthouse he would not have died. In law it is about cause and effect: the act A led to B and then to C. I am a great fan of Brendan but he went too far. At every stage Joel wanted to back out but he bullied him into going along with this. At any stage Mick could have fallen to his death and there was a moment when they nearly let him go. A good example is those kids who drop blocks of concrete onto cars below from motorway bridges. They don't intend to kill anyone but a reasonable person would know that may be the result. Thank you for saying that. Not everything can be explained away or apologized for by fans. Too far is too far. And what happned was a direct result of Brendan not letting this thing go even though Joel asked him several times to do just that. As a result someone is dead. Did he intend to kill somone? No. That's not the point. Tshe point is that his action directly led to the death of someone, and that death could have and should have been avoided had Brendan let it go. Joel had felling this whole thing was going to get out of hand and it did. I know he wants a father figure in his life. But he has to make better chioces for himself. Brendan is no one to look up to or emulate. And while there may be reasons for his actions there are no excuses for them. Agreed. But Walker killed Mick.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 19, 2012 7:30:50 GMT -5
Wow..so Brendan has killed again. No. it was an accident. He was going for Brendan and Joel pushed him. He lost his balance and fell.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 18, 2012 12:40:31 GMT -5
Nan dies in Later and Pa Brady is the one who has violently abused Brendan when he was a kid. What Later is showing us is the similarity between Mick and Joel and Brendan and his dad. I think it will also show that by doing what he is doing he is transforming Joel into Mick while Brendan has become like his dad in how he has 'taken back the power'. It will be shown what a different father Pa was to Brendan as opposed to Cheryl. I don't think he will be much help! What we have to discover is whether Brendan was abused by someone else at the holiday house in Southport. I was just thinking that! What if Brendan was sexually abused by a relative? Maybe his dad was violent, but someone else did worse to him?
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Post by vanessa on Sept 18, 2012 10:12:49 GMT -5
Yes. I think Walker will kill Declan. Ste will try to help him, but Doug will get jealous. I can't wait to see it on screen!
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Post by vanessa on Sept 18, 2012 9:01:42 GMT -5
I think Ste will be left to run the club in Brendan's absence. Maybe that's where he runs into Walker!
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