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Post by Ómar on Apr 1, 2012 21:34:58 GMT -5
For the Disney connection ... from just a little bit of research, it looks like GCB is produced by ABC Studios and airs on ABC. Those are both owned by the huge Disney company. That said, I'm not sure what exactly is tripping you up. I know that sometimes audio (or portions of audio) can be automatically flagged. Songs, for example. I don't know what else can be automatically flagged (regardless of whether the clips posted are covered by Fair Use exceptions or not). I don't have a YT channel myself, so I'm not sure - does the warning have more information? It doesn't really give information, just that I have received a strike, and if I didn't remove the video, (which I already have) and I receive two more strikes, then my channel will be deleted. I still have the problem with those videos. But I gave up. I know foolish me. Though I will try again any other ways when I have more time... But thank you for responding and I totally forgot to answer back. A new question!!So for the moment I have a question, will my video get flagged or something worse if it has nudity in it? Let's just say that some women in it have their front treasures out and exposed, and I don't want to delete that part because important to the storyline and the main character of the SL is very much present. Help anyone?
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Post by Ómar on Apr 1, 2012 15:46:35 GMT -5
I found this video where Nora talks about her illegal status. Click on the link to watch the video (no english subs) but I wrote down what she said in English. video.msn.com?vid=ffa7ffde-6d13-4016-a5fe-1ba6a9ee4334&mkt=es-us&from=IV2_es-us_Telemundo&src=FLPl:share:permalink:uuidsThis is what she says: Hi, my name is Nora Guzmán. And Today I just found out that not only my parents are undocumented, but I also don't have papers in this country. They had told me I was born here, so I knew all my rights, and I thought that one day I could legalize them. But I found out today I no longer have rights, I no longer have a citizenship, I'm from nowhere because I wasn't born here. But I know and I feel that I'm an American because all my life and all my friends and all my dreams are set in this country. There are many students that are going through the something. Uh, smart, sensible students that want to do something good in this country. I consider the saddest thing to be that even though they feel like Americans and all their lives, dreams and hopes are in this country, they can't stay here because of a simple problem of (not sure it's 'education' that she says, or something else that would make more sense). I stand for all the students that want to do good in this country so they can study here and count with all the help. ~~~~~~~ I don't really see how the sham marriage would come from here. I mean, she wants to help students that are in her same situation (I don't know how, but we'll probably find out). I doubt she would do something like that. She seams like a person that fallows the law and if she breaks it, it would be to help others and not herself. Yeah she could be annoying, but that doesn't take away from the fact that she wants to do good.
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Post by Ómar on Apr 1, 2012 14:04:55 GMT -5
Omar, will you upload a new part of this storyline soon? Yes I will start uploading again. I had problems with my computer (my puppy chewed through my charger, but now I have a new one), and since yesterday I was able to upload five videos. Today hopefully I'll be able to upload one more, and then after that one, the next one for XY. So don't worry, I'll continue to upload with subs.
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Post by Ómar on Mar 31, 2012 14:55:57 GMT -5
Thank you, kevvoi!! I really appreciate you bring us with interviews and more info about the storylines. I really liked the video they showed in the link you provided us with. They are actually my two favorite characters in the show. Penny is just a beautiful clutz. This show has me laughing all the time.
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Post by Ómar on Mar 31, 2012 14:43:18 GMT -5
I still don't think the marriage will occur. Nora just doesn't seem like that kind of person. And because of this, I'm pretty sure they will mention the "DREAM Act" and that's what Nora will try to push to. That way, it will be a legal way to get legalized.
And about, Mau and Miranda. the foreshadowing of the baby because of the dream is really no foreshadowing at all. There is ALWAYS a baby. And along with the baby, there's a lot of drama that you can't even think of. Switched at birth, kidnapping, custody issues, trying to kill, sell, throw away the baby, so many things. This is just pure novela stuff. And about the ending, more than half of them end in a future year. That way you see what happened to the good guys and the bad guys. It's like a "they lived happily ever after" but instead of saying it, they show it to you.
I guess one has to watch around 3 or 4 (traditional) novelas to actually understand the real novela structure., and you'll notice a pattern. But lately, Telemundo's novelas have been trying to drift away from this. So we'll see how this one goes. and maybe future ones will become more different and hopefully with gay storyline (where kisses do occur).
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Post by Ómar on Mar 31, 2012 12:56:53 GMT -5
Thank you for the info kevvoi. And that's exactly the same reason I haven't been uploading that storyline. I will give another shot at it on Sunday or so. I need to catch up on other videos first, but I'll see what I can do.
I'l try other things to see what helps.
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Post by Ómar on Mar 31, 2012 10:10:37 GMT -5
I seriously don't get why y'all still think the marriage will happen. They are under age, and it's just so incomprehensible. Yes, JP did mention sham marriage for a green card, but that was for only like 1 second. He was just comparing sham marriage to get a green card (that is illegal) to what he had done, (which is just as illegal) when he told the police he was Miranda's boyfriend. I don't see how that relates to Nora. It was just a simple comparison. I wouldn't read much into it.
It's impossible to know how many episodes there will be. As far as I know, they give the actors a well guessed estimate and the result can be less or more. A good example is "Sin Senos no hay Paraíso" It ran for a over a year, and initially it was supposed to be less, so you never know. So, fabfairy, don't think about the 60 at all. That's just saying that there will definitely be a 60th episode. And when then on Wikipedia (or whatever source you got it from) when episode 60 is getting closer, it will be changed to a higher number.
And something about Novelas, they actually give you an estimate of when they will be over, for example, when they start saying "En su Etapa Culminante" that's when the climax is coming, and then "En sus Últimas Semanas / Capítulos Finales" this is around two to three weeks before it ends, and finaly, "En su Última Semana" which is the very last week it will air. So as long as we don't hear the "Etapa Culminate", we still have time.
I was on Wikipedia, and found this about Mexican novelas, and it also included some about the ones for Telmundo (USA Spanish-language soaps). I actually think this gives a good background on telenovelas.
[glow=red,2,300]In Mexico, telenovelas usually has a love couple that encounter many problems throughout the telenovela, a villain and end with a wedding. One common ending archetype, consists a wedding, and with the villain dying, going to jail, becoming permanently injured or disabled, or losing his/her mind.
In Mexico, Televisa and TV Azteca are the largest producers and exporters of telenovelas. The independent company Argos Comunicación is their main competition. The American telenovelas produced by Telemundo tend to follow the Mexican model. Traditionally, telenovelas were often thought to be used as a government tool to distract citizens from national issues. Starting around 1990, Televisa found an enormous market for its telenovelas in Eastern Europe, as well as in Vietnam and other Asian countries. For example, Veronica Castro became an international star when the novela she had starred in many years ago, Los Ricos Tambien Lloran (1979), became a huge hit in Russia. By the late 1990s, the company claimed telenovelas were Mexico's leading export product. Many consider 1958 until 2004 to be Televisa's Golden Age of telenovelas.
At the same time, as the Mexican government loosened its control over television, telenovelas, primarily those produced by Argos Comunicacion, addressed new themes, including poverty, political corruption, immigration and drug smuggling. However, as long as the American drama and comedy series are taking space in the Mexican audience through cable or satellite TV and the growing of piracy, the television companies opted to adapt stories from Argentina, Colombia or Brazil and use veteran actors in order to decrease expenses in a industry that is decaying, at least, for both Televisa and TV Azteca.
Currently the most successful telenovelas are being created by Argos (I don't know anything about this network as it is solely for Mexico) and Telemundo and are retransmitted (or adapted) by the main companies, the most successful one (ratings were 11-14 million for every episode, which is extremely good), La Reina del Sur (had a lesbian storyline) based on the book of Arturo Perez Reverte, is based on a true story over a drug queen in Sinaloa. Even that, it got some censorship (In Spain it was censored so much that it only had 13 episodes, compared to the 63 it had on Telemundo's original one) due to the Drug War and it was transmitted in a low rating channel. Despite this, the telenovela got more rating that another programs in their timeframe.[/glow]
So I'm going to go out on a limb, and say that maybe this is why there is a lot of drugs in the storyline, well also because there are a lot of drugs in USA high school. I graduated two years ago, and mine did definitely had some. So if you knew the right people, you could get some.
And then I saw this. It was under the USA soaps, which strangely enough had more info than that for the actual american saps.
[glow=red,2,300]In 2001, when Telemundo was purchased by NBC-Universal, Telemundo decided to stop importing telenovelas from Latin America and to start producing its own telenovelas. In order to produce its own telenovelas, Telemundo allowed the Colombian production company RTI Colombia and the Mexican production company Argos Comunicación to co-produce the telenovelas with Telemundo. Telemundo's telenovelas follow the Mexican model. To have its telenovelas recognized by the audiences of the US and Latin America, Telemundo hired famous actors and actresses from Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela, Argentina, and Puerto Rico, Telemundo now also hire US-born Hispanic actors and actresses
As of December 31, 2006, Argos no longer co-produces any new projects with Telemundo. The last co-produced telenovela with Argos was Marina. Telemundo continues to co-produce telenovelas with RTI, but Telemundo has also started to produce telenovelas by itself. In 2005, Telemundo created the Telemundo Television Studios in Miami to produce telenovelas, and Telemundo's first fully produced telenovela was Dame Chocolate. In 2006, Telemundo broadcast two telenovelas not created by themselves or its partners, the programmes are Amor Mío (Televisa/Telefe) and La Esclava Isaura (Rede Record). It is unknown if Telemundo will import more telenovelas in the near future, or it will continue with its production.
Some Spanish-language telenovelas are now translated directly into English for USA viewers. Novelas on Telemundo are all closed-captioned in English because there is a small, but influential number of English speaking Americans who watch the Latin American telenovelas. [/glow]
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Post by Ómar on Mar 29, 2012 23:10:44 GMT -5
Thank you for the pics!! And for the extra info!! Much appreciated.
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Post by Ómar on Mar 29, 2012 14:46:42 GMT -5
I don't think Nora will be marrying anyone period. If this novela resembles others, then there wont' be in a marriage. I've never seen teenagers get married in a Novela, willingly that is. It just doesn't seem like it would be something that would happen. And you also have to remember that Nora is a leader, so she will fight for what she thinks is right (even though at times it's too much), and I don't see her going against the law, (yes I know she's an illegal alien) but I highly doubt she would get married to get her green card. That's just something her character wouldn't do.
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Post by Ómar on Mar 28, 2012 21:41:10 GMT -5
Thank you Omar! It looks like they aren't going to try redeeming Gonzalo. I was hoping telemundo would post more of these promo shots for each of the students. Last week they posted similar videos for each of the major teachers. Thanks for the info. I just saw them. except Santigo's wasn't there (I don't if one has been made for him yet) And I really liked the one for Elizabeth. Gonzalo's mom's video was there too as well as Joaco's. SO I guess that we will know more about the parents as well. I can't wait for Olga's video!! well of course as Ale's, Sebas's, Diego's, and Nora's.
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Post by Ómar on Mar 28, 2012 21:00:21 GMT -5
How tough is it to feel the world is too much. That you can't breathe, that you can't fly, that you can't stand nothing or anyone. It would seem that the world goes in one direction, and I against it. Ever since I came to this country, the only ones I have are my best friend and my girlfriend. The rest don't understand me, or I don't understand them. But in reality, I don't give (a damn)
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Post by Ómar on Mar 28, 2012 20:49:22 GMT -5
So if we look at the show so far what message is it sending to the wider community. That if your latin you are and/or it is OK to be a Rapist, Drug Dealer, Bully, Killer, Homophobic, Racist and Computer Hacker to name a few. AS an outsider not a good message on any level from where I stand. Pointless showing it at all really. P.S. Can someone explain what a "Wetback" is. I saw it in one of the post earlier. As a latino (living in the USA) I find this rather offensive. I don't think you're getting the message at all. I don't see how the Telenovela is saying all these things are okay, can you maybe explain further?? And if your point is that these people are not paying the consequences, that's because they are PEOPLE that get away with it, and latinos are people, so it doesn't matter the background. This Novela concentrates on Latinos because it's made for Latinos. So I have a question. If it had more non latinos in this show and they were part of the "Rapist, Drug Dealer, Bully, Killer, Homophobic, Racist and Computer Hacker" group, would that change your mind? ?? Sorry to sound rude, but after what you said, it's kind of hard to not be offended. And a wetback is derogatory term for illegals (I've only heard it being used in the USA) On another note, I found this video. It's for Max, so the retooling is taking place, and this is the "new" him, or what the character will be about now. No more DJ Max I guess. One doesn't choose his parents. I would never have had chosen mine (only referring to his dad). His only method of education is when he yells at me. One mistake, one blow. That's why I found shelter in my friends. I know, you have know how to choose them. Because a good friend only looks out for your well being, a bad friend could be your downfall. Particularly when you two fall in love with the same woman.
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Post by Ómar on Mar 22, 2012 18:35:17 GMT -5
I thought the sexy dream where they passed the cubes was much more risque than a first kiss scene between Diego and Ale. Is this more a case of gay kissing ban or something else. I can't remember if Telemundo had a novella with two men kissing. I thought Mas Sabe el Diablo did but I can't remember for sure. Not only did Más Sabe el Dieblo, but also in ¿Dónde está Élisa?Though like talula said, they weren't great storylines. But Telemundo is progressing. It's still taking baby steps, but it's doing it. There was also a kiss in Niños Ricos, Pobres Padres, and two (maybe three) lesbian kisses in La Reina del Sur which had a better storyline. So it's annoying when people are putting down Telemundo for this. Yes they are not giving us what we want, but they are making progress, so lets give them credit for that. I've watched this network for years, so I'm very happy that they are at least giving us this. I'm not sure if I'm forgetting more storylines, but I think that's all. And you have to remember that this is one of the not so many Spanish language networks in the USA. so in a ratio of English language show's (which are in hundreds of English language networks) in the USA having gay storylines and Spanish language shows (in maybe 15 at the most Spanish speaking networks based in the USA [I'm exluding the international channels]) with gay storylines, Then the Spanish language networks win! English speakers have so many shows to choose from (tons that don't have gay content), but the Spanish speakers have a limited choice. And of what I can remember, Telemundo is the second most viewed Spanish language network, so it has to stick to the what the viewership wants. And if you ask about Miranda and Mauricio, well many of them like that (I hate it imo) but that's how it is. So let's just hope there is more change (for good). Oh and Something else that I forgot to mention. The novelas in Telemundo are specially done for Telemundo (while Univisión's [Telemundo's rival and most viewd network] novelas are mainly Mexican) So telemundo's audience is mainly hispanic american (which are becoming more and more open minded) and maybe that will have a change in the content as well. Sorry for all the ranting on, but I just had to get this off my chest. I don't know if any other people that have watched the Spanish language networks in the USA for many years like me, agree with me. but I guess this is how many feel (after they cool down their rage)
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Post by Ómar on Mar 21, 2012 19:16:09 GMT -5
I want to thank the creators of this website first, as without them we probably wouldn't have a place to discuss and discover new storylines.
Next I want to thank every uploader out their that takes their time to upload the storylines (and some that translate, the girls doing so with Chrolli, Mark, and anyone else) I know that translating takes a lot of time, but I want to thank you for doing all of this as it helps us know what is going on in a language foreign to us.
A special thanks to May, because she was actually the one that inspired me to sub the storylines I'm covering right now. If have missed anyone else, thank you to you too.
And lastly and most importantly, I want to thank the writers/producers/networks (for having gay characters in the shows in the first place) and the actors for acting the scenes out, because without them, there would be no stoylines to watch.
THANK YOU!! ¡¡GRACIAS!! MERCI !! DANKE!! GRAZIE!!
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Post by Ómar on Mar 21, 2012 16:55:37 GMT -5
Well I think Ale started to get interested in him because of the favor, and also because he said Diego was looking at him, when he talked to Sebas recently (no the time he talked with Nora). So And I'm pretty sure he wants someone that has more possibilities of being gay than someone that is definitely not, and he has his suspicious about Diego. So voilà. And I leave y'all a pic (well three) of Ale
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Post by Ómar on Mar 21, 2012 8:37:59 GMT -5
Ok.. I've just seen La Otra Familia. It was a wonderful movie which I very much liked.. until the ending. The ending just completely ruined the movie for me I know you posted this a while ago, but I just had to say something because I watched it too, and just like you said, yes it was nice and all but not so much the climax. Though I did like the result. and since I don't want to spoil anything, highlight to read So Hendrix DID end up back with the gay couple. And I LOVED the message it gave because that's how it is still in Mexico. I've been surprised of what I've seen on XY and this movie too. I mean, to see men like that is more sinful in Mexico than in the US. I know Mexico is making more and more Progress as I've been fallowing somewhat the LGBT right there, and the marriage can only be done in the capital nowhere else, though it is recognized in every state as that came with package as well. So I'm glad because of that. I thought everything looked real. And I actually know a lot of the cast from other movies and Novelas they've participated in.
And the maid even changed her way of thinking, and I believe that to be very positive. It shows that a gay family can prevail, but you also have to think that Hendrix had a mom then, and he hadn't been adopted by them so the reaction of the people is what I believe to be in Mexico. I guess you need to have a background in some movies to understand what's going on. After all, the target audience is mainly those of the country of origin where the movie is produced.
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Post by Ómar on Mar 20, 2012 23:25:40 GMT -5
" That thing that just walked out is your friend?" Ugh, another terrible father! I'm still not sure about who I hate the most: Mau Mau's father, Max's or Diego's On a completely shallow note: Joaco, Yesenia's brother, is to die for! Yes, I know!! Mau's dad is a total racist, homophobic dad (but at least he worries about his children, I guess the only upside to him) And Max's dad beats him, and by the looks of it, his wife too (or just not quite yet, but no good in him) and well, Diego's dad. don't even get me started. ugh!!!! haha, yesss he is!!!! I love it when he wears white!! a few episodes ago, Paty (I LOVE that woman) had one of her fantasies with him, and Joaco looked so hot!!!! Good thing I was on my bed because I felt like I would have fainted if i were standing up to see so much hottness in front of me!! Now if Ale wants to have a little fling before Diego, i think we have a winner!!!! lol
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Post by Ómar on Mar 20, 2012 21:47:49 GMT -5
Then again, I also want Will to acknowledge that he's attracted to EJ, and EJ to be aware of Will's teenaged crush on him and using it to get what he wants ... I want EJ to foolishly assume there are no limits to Will's loyalty as long as he throws crumbs of homoerotic tension his way ... then lovestruck Will, thinking EJ is semi-reformed, is horrified to discover EJ is as evil as ever, and threatens to expose him ... so of course EJ has to take his game up a notch and actually do something sexual with Will ... which of course ends up scarring Will for life when he ultimately realizes that he lost his virginity to this jerk who's not even gay/bi, let alone love him ... enter Sonny as Will's knight in shining armour ... Alas, such tales must be assigned to the realm of fanfiction. HAHA!! this made me laugh so much, But I love your idea So Justinate, you and I should really write this storylines!! We would probably become the most famous writers in history haha. But seriously! Sonny has more chemistry with EJ than he does with Sonny! I wouldn't mind EJ having his nibble on the side if it was with Will. I mean everyone in soaps do it with the secretary or something close to that, right?? lol
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Post by Ómar on Mar 20, 2012 13:02:18 GMT -5
and if they're so controversial, why did they 'introduce' one (two) gay characters who should get togheter??? that's how many countries are. Brazil for example had a very famous telenovela in 2005, and had a gay couple, but there was never a kiss (it wasn't aired on the finale). So they most likely air it to show that gay people are normal, but they just don't want to go over board because they could lose their target viewership (which mainly is not for homosexuals), and if there's no viewership, then no money.
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Post by Ómar on Mar 20, 2012 9:18:05 GMT -5
Yes, that sadly is very true HQ75. I saw the promo for it right after the episode ended on TV since I watch the series every sunday and here it is.
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Post by Ómar on Mar 19, 2012 23:37:39 GMT -5
I understand that Australia is very controversial on the gay topic and all, but they should start opening up. I mean so many other countries like the Latino ones have been recently incorporating more and more gay characters (even though some don't have real storylines) but they are trying to include them, and not all like the stereotypical gay guy.
They should at least have them hug a little bit more. That would actually be nice.
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Post by Ómar on Mar 19, 2012 23:15:37 GMT -5
Let's pray for that,Ómar (but don't hold your breath, though!) About the Miribecca storyline...it was a pity they ended it that way. I'm not following the VL stuff like I used to do, but I think the "new" Rebecca is not that str8 anymore... See that's what I mean about sleeping and waking up with different sex preferences. But oh well... And yes, I know I shouldn't expect much from this Soap in having two separate Gay SL's or even adding a lesbian one, but it wolud be nice. Who knows and maybe there will one in the future that will do so. I wish SOnny had more airtime. I mean, we know just about Will's life, but not so much about Sonny. There was only some brief moments with his family, but that was it!!! No more, and there should be. But oh well. I'm used to all kinds of Telenovelas but not american soaps, they're more different.
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Post by Ómar on Mar 19, 2012 21:59:01 GMT -5
A fan met Kevin near his work, and this is the picture he took. Ale Looks so handsome!
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Post by Ómar on Mar 19, 2012 12:25:05 GMT -5
Well I highly doubt this is spoiler-some, but just in case, don't press on the link. But if you want to help out, do so. I'll leave instructions after the link as hidden and what it is about, so you need to highlight if you want to know what you have to do after you get directed to website. BUT I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU HELP OUT!!msnlatino.telemundo.com/novelas/una_maid_en_manhattan/versus?vsid=124Ok, so there is a poll as to who is the ideal partner for Bruno. One of them is Tito, and three other ladies, (Catalina, Yaya, and Sara.) So all you have to do after you get to the website, you just need to click on the picture of the actor/actress and that's it. There are two choices, you click on one then it shows you a percentage of how the poll is doing. Tito is very tied. Right after that, click on SIGUE VOTANDO it's only six times. and you can vote again as many times as you want. and to do so again, click on VOTA OTRA VEZ. Thank you for voting!!! hopefully this will help out, and yes the writers do look at this. Actually, one of finales for a novela from this network was chosen from s poll taken on the website. THANK YOU!
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Post by Ómar on Mar 19, 2012 1:06:03 GMT -5
So I LOVE this show!!! But I did wish in a way that the story was cover more like, well obviously not in ever season as that's just not Desperate Housewives, but it would have been nice to have more of Bob and Lee. and Definitely WAY more of Andrew and his husband. Like that affair for example!!! or maybe actually see how his marriage failed. But I really like how Bree came to terms with him. And he will be on next week!!! I haven't missed one single show since the beginning of the series, and I like it even more when either of the gay characters are on. Now with GCB being like a second "Desperate Housewives" I could definitely look forward to this as Blake is one of the main characters.
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