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Post by SF on May 11, 2011 18:59:18 GMT -5
i keep holding out hope that the writers are going to script a big revelation moment for edwin only a little bit further down the line. but because edwin was so mysterious before, and really a blank canvas when it came to his personality, beliefs and principles, the more this goes on - the more i believe that this tense, torn, uncomfortable boy is who he REALLY is. the more i think he won't change and realise what he's done. someone said it on the other page, and they were right - edwin has a lot of the same flaws as anton. obviously he's not comparable. but the brilliant example they gave was his passing the blame on. he doesn't want shit on his doorstep. even if it's his own shit. i think he's forgotten that this is about his coming out. that lucas didn't really provoke anton into beating him (edwin was the one who dragged them into the practice). and that ending his relationship with lucas won't make all these problems go away. not in the long run. i can't imagine any future boyfriend; meeting anton (the homophobe), and hearing the story of lucas (the beaten ex), thinking to himself "WOW, this guy is a catch!" if edwin doesn't deal with this now, he'll find himself always choosing his father over his boyfriend, because his father has a suffocating hold over his emotions. edwin is also asking way too much of his boyfriend, like anton asks way too much of his sons and wife. he expects too much from the people who love him, because he becomes used to leaning on them for support. he's treating lucas as disloyal, when really he needs to take a step back and count up all the stuff lucas has sacrificed and put up with to be with him. i can understand edwin sometimes - he's not a monster - by no stretch of the imagination. but i'm not sure he's good for lucas at the moment. and i'm not sure he's good with himself either. i think he needs a time out to think things through.
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Post by SF on May 11, 2011 17:23:41 GMT -5
i wish lucas had been the one to call time on them for a little while!! oh well... whoever it was. they need the break. like others, i wish it was longer. and i hope anton has no hand in fixing them back together. i don't want lucas to feel he has a debt owed to that wanker. i don't think i'd mind if it was bianca. but i also want lucas to tell edwin straight; he's throwing away their relationship for his father. i hope he doesn't go straight back to him. and i don't think i could find it within myself to buy that anton would actually ever want his son back with his boyfriend. anton reminds me of a lot of a homophobe who once told me; "the worst kind of gay men are the ones who come onto regular blokes." his homophobia was born out of fear, and i think anton's is too. i think he thought edwin was straight and lucas 'turned' him gay - and that that is some kind of reflection on anton's manhood as well. anton is such a scared little man. scared of what people will think. about him, his son, his patients trusting his ability to be a doctor. i don't want lucas to have to bend to the will of such a small cowardly little figure EVER. and i'm glad he stood up for himself this week. and edwin should be as well. and i'm sorry - but i'm just gonna say it - if it wasn't for lucas supporting him and encouraging him, who knows when edwin would have summoned up the courage to be who he was!?! edwin owes his boyfriend a lot. not that he would ever have had to repay that, if only he treated lucas with the same respect and care. anyway - edwin, i like him. but he has some growing up to do.
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Post by SF on May 11, 2011 16:54:29 GMT -5
yeah the guy who played aaron broke up with his gf and she blasted him on twitter.
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Post by SF on May 11, 2011 10:08:27 GMT -5
On a personal note I am really looking forward to the upcoming episodes. However, I wish the soap sites etc would stop publishing photos etc of the actors personal lives. We saw how difficult it becomes in Emmerdale when two actors on the show date. Everything is hunky dory while it is all going well but if there are problems in the relationship then one of them may consider leaving. As this involves Emmett I really want him to stay as long as possible as I am really enjoying this storyline. firstly - how does publishing the photos in the media make any difference to any possible bitterness that might follow a break up between two co-working actors?! if there's going to be bitterness there's going to bitterness, a few photos in the national rag doesn't make any difference!! secondly - it seems like what you're saying (quite surprisingly) is that actors who work together shouldn't date at all, INCASE they break up and INCASE the fans risk losing their favourite character?! it sounds like some kind of comment on the actors' personality. how can you presume that if, god forbid, they did encounter trouble in their personal lives it would effect the show?!?!?!? whose to say emmett and claire are NOT mature enough to work together if (and looking at those photos it's a massive IF) something were to go wrong?! and why is it anyone's business anyway?! as far as i'm concerned, they're cute photos, and of interest to a thread that focuses on emmett scanlan. but no more than that.
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Post by SF on May 11, 2011 9:31:23 GMT -5
neither of them are the same people that fell in love with eachother. maybe they deserve better than eachother if they are BOTH causing eachother so much pain? christian deserves someone who can either give him a stress free family, who doesn't lie about what he wants, someone who doesn't push him in a direction he doesn't want to go, or at the very least someone who's willing to live childless and relaxed for the rest of time. and olli deserves... well he deserves a whole lot... (i won't get started on that) but i don't think christian is the person to deliver. and it's not fair to expect him to when he's such a different person now. they don't fulfill eachothers needs anymore, and i don't mean just sexually. though judging by olli's breakfast reaction, they're not working together in the bedroom either. i'd quite like to see them in dynamics with other people. don't get me wrong, i won't like it ONE BIT if christian 'returns' to heterosexuality, i don't mind him with a woman but i don't think you can wipe the slate clean and return him to his andi-esque roots quite that simply, and i'd prefer to see christian+man and olli+woman - but whatever. as long as they're still getting SLs.
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Post by SF on May 11, 2011 9:15:08 GMT -5
i don't think the whole 'edwin always takes anton's side' thing is resolved yet.
from everything lucas is saying and doing, it seems like he feels he's in some kind of competition for edwin's affection/loyalty/attention with his 'father-in-law'.
and rightly so, because up until this point edwin has cushioned his father's fall as much as he can by whipping the pillow out from underneath his boyfriend.
i was actually chuffed at what lucas said last episode, and it seems from the recap (thanks mark!), they've still got a lot of unresolved tension there.
i hope lucas doesn't back down and settle for whatever edwin's willing to give. i hope if he has to make a decision he carries through on his threat from friday.
i noticed edwin didn't necessarily apologise. and okay, actions speak louder than words, but part of me thinks edwin is so young and inexperienced he's a bit blind to what's going on.
like sjoerd said, edwin was good with girls - and you could almost assume it's because he was looking at things objectively and from a distance, emotionally unattached to whatever problem he was attempting to solve - but here, where he supposedly cares a great deal for lucas and the outcome of their fights, he has no idea.
the fact his mother had to point out to him why lucas would even be upset was very revealing to me. i don't think edwin knows exactly what lucas is feeling (when it comes to being sidelined) and why he should be apologising. hence the verbal reticence when it comes to their arguments.
it feels like edwin is doing everything on the back foot because he's scared lucas will do something 'silly' like end their relationship.
i'd like it to be a bit more organic. like;
1) bianca explains lucas position (or alternatively edwin comes to that realisation on his own but if not...)
2) edwin facepalms with the realisation of what he's just done by not backing lucas up against his father. instead of just looking a bit confused and sheepish.
3) tell anton (very intelligently and clearly) to fuck off and deal with his own crap, which he brought on himself. not keep silent and give him the accusatory stinkeye instead.
4) runs to lucas immediately to explain the fact he was never even considering toning down the details, and he didn't mean to look conflicted because he backs his boyfriend 100% and is truly sorry for all the shite they (but especially lucas) have to endure to be together.
edwin is not perfect yet. many miles from, for me.
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Post by SF on May 11, 2011 9:02:51 GMT -5
if anton wasn't such a homophobic arse - i would back him 100% - because of various circumstances i spent a couple of months when i was 23 living under my mother's roof. whilst i wasn't entirely dependent on her (it was different as i had the financial independence to make a real contribution, like a lodger) i still respected her and the fact it was her household. i think if you're still financially dependent on your family, the debt of respect you owe them is even greater. you can't expect to be treated like an adult if you can't function as an adult yet. but anton was being a twat. he was undermining bianca's authority.
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Post by SF on May 10, 2011 15:40:03 GMT -5
i love wiet. i even loved her when she was with edwin. she's a good friend to lucas - they're a good match for eachother. i love her and lucas and noud. but not necessarily with noud. i want to like nina - and sometimes i do. but i really think she could be a bit more sensitive and nice. gtst has one of the best group of soap teens/young adults of any soap i've seen recently. they all have connections to eachother and work well together - but they're great individually as well.
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Post by SF on May 9, 2011 8:08:33 GMT -5
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Post by SF on May 8, 2011 6:21:45 GMT -5
happy birthday mark!
was just wondering whether lucas and edwin will be in the episode that's meant to air on monday?!
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Post by SF on May 5, 2011 16:31:02 GMT -5
thanks mark!
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Post by SF on May 5, 2011 11:45:05 GMT -5
*YAWN*
who gives a toss either way?!
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Post by SF on May 4, 2011 19:20:24 GMT -5
so soon? how has he tried to regain olli's trust, other than his endless repetition of words? "i'm sorry." said with so little passion it might not as well have been said at all. he needs to show olli his love and dedication. start by turning girls like kim away as soon as he suspects what they're up to. stop getting drunk. stop being so uncommunicative. stop kissing women. because it's not just jessica he's apologising for is it? its every time he's ever said it will never happen again - and then let it happen. olli is the only one who's fought and sacrificed.
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Post by SF on May 4, 2011 19:03:58 GMT -5
why does christian need it to mean something to olli to fight for him?! doesn't olli mean enough to him to make fighting for their relationship inevitable?! what he's gonna back down just in case olli might never come round?! christian is a twit sometimes. and he constantly needs to be centre of attention. he won't work on/fight for their relationship in any real way unless he knows olli's paying attention and will come round one day!! he needs to know he's still the centre of olli's world before he demeans himself by fighting. it's a really unattractive trait. it's what got him in the mess with rebecca last year, and into jessica this year. if anyone shows him attention he loves it, and can't help but reciprocate, if they don't he can't be bothered. and what's all this "i'll wait for you." WAIT for what?!?! olli shouldn't have to do anything. it's all on christian's back as far as i'm concerned. he still hasn't realised how much he's hurt olli!! - that he'd question that olli can't take the jessica thing, just astounds me. i think he literally thinks now he's got a ring on olli's finger, it's ollis job to put up with ANYTHING christian might come up with. christian needs some time out to grow up and look up the definition of 'marriage'.
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Post by SF on May 4, 2011 17:23:06 GMT -5
if edwin does ask this of lucas - i'm sorry - but he's completely out the window as a character for me regardless of the fact he's only 18, or wants to keep his family together, or it's his first real relationship, or he's emotionally aloof/immature/reclusive... basically whatever damn excuse has been used to justify edwin's neglectful treatment of lucas in the past. and don't worry, i was one of the ones who said that edwin was probably just naive and needed time, and lucas should let him go back to anton and bianca, because who wants to lose their family at that age. most of the excuses i made for him, i made because i couldn't quite believe they'd pair a character like lucas (who, despite his faults, has been brilliantly crafted) with a dolt like edwin. he's got the personality of printer paper (to use the shows own analogy), the mystery of a wet herring, and the loyalty of a very disloyal fence-sitter. i genuinely think raynor tries his best, most of the time, with what he's given - but thats the problem, he isn't given ANYTHING. we are told that they are so in love and so devoted to one another, but we never see it!!! i've never really seen why lucas would bother with edwin - especially when he has to go through so much to be with him!! he didn't even bother this much with noud - but you could sense there that foundations had been laid for why lucas would, or even could fall in love with him. and noud, didn't encourage lucas love, but had the kind of personality that would inspire it. he furiously stuck up for lucas against wankers like dex. he didn't care what people (close friends included) thought about their friendship. and he always looked out for lucas. edwin doesn't even manage any of that. not really. his first loyalty is to his family, even when they are breaking the law, and abusing the guy he's meant to love. it makes me mad.
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Post by SF on May 4, 2011 16:26:24 GMT -5
anton is a disgusting crawling insect of a man!! grounding his sons at the drop of a hat to teach them about discipline and consequences when he is far too much of a dirty coward to even acknowledge what he's done, let alone accept the consequences. what a fucking hypocrite. and bianca?!? AH! i could scream. arsehole! and poor lucas has been nothing but accommodating to that stupid family. his face yesterday when he got ordered out. how he has the stomach to be so gracious to anton i really don't know. he must really love edwin, although i can't see why, he doesn't get much in return. if he has to chose between edwin and keeping his witness statement as it was, i hope he dumps edwin like a sack of shit. otherwise what message is that putting out there??!
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Post by SF on May 3, 2011 7:22:22 GMT -5
i agree with DD - i can just see ste being totally ruined by this SL - i don't want another louise summers. and as for the example of oz. their relationship destroyed them BOTH in the end. in various ways. i could just see the HO producers doing something stupid like have ste lash out and hurt brendan. they already had him put brendan in hospital which i took issue with 1) because they didn't follow it up, falling back into that cycle of behaviour is like alcoholism, it's not just one more drink and you're done, especially not in a beating as savage as that 2) it made brendan more sympathetic to some. don't get me wrong, i still wouldn't spit on him if he was on fire, but other people, i'm sure - found his hospital bed tears all the more charming and endearing. 3) ste does not need to be reduced by this SL to the mess of a man he has been in the past. all in all, i don't see this as passion, or epic love. i see it as destructive and unhealthy. like a filthy addiction. there is nothing romantic or beautiful to witness there. and likewise here. the sooner it all wraps up, the sooner i can start properly watching my favourite british soap again!!!
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Post by SF on May 2, 2011 20:51:20 GMT -5
brendan is a disgusting abuser. sorry. that's just the truth. if a stranger treated a person the way brendan treats ste, there would be a court date and (very probably) a LENGTHY prison sentence to follow. why should it be different because they're having sex? because they have this 'intensity' or 'passion' or chemistry between them? or because they're hot?! i will be furious with hollyoaks if brendan does not get his comeuppance for this, be it through the police and the courts - or through the more tricky medium of soap justice. they certainly can't ever play happy families after this, and they can't ever have a sunset ending. i tend to think, once a relationship has turned 'abusive' there is no going back, that person can be rehabilitated - but they should never pursue a relationship with their victim. it's unhealthy. i certainly won't be weeping if brendan finds himself at the bottom of a cliff on some remote scottish highland. going by this shows regular format - people love a bad guy - niall was sexy, different and charismatic and on the website forum people wanted him to find a way to work it out with myra and steph. but he was damaged and TPTB ultimately knew that. he had to be meted out with his deserved fate for all the bad things he'd done. niall rafferty, jake dean, warren fox, clare devine, sam owen, toby mills, lewis richardson, rob hawthorne.... i could go on and further back; they all had their vulnerability and sore spots - and they had moments where they came close to having a heart, and usually the viewer loved them - but they all had to pay for what they did in the end. brendan brady is one and the same in my book. and i think this will escalate to his demise or departure.
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Post by SF on May 2, 2011 20:21:09 GMT -5
i really think - and i said this more 'bitterly' on the bitterness thread - for the sake of his MARRIAGE, christian needs to assess his own sexuality and stop claiming to be exclusively gay. i think he's a pretty confused young man, there's still a lot of issues from his coming out that never really got dealt with. and i think they need to be wound up if there's any hope of a future for chrolli. i don't enjoy labeling people, especially not when they choose a different label for themselves. and i don't necessarily believe that 'gay' 'bi' 'straight' are adequate terms to divide human sexuality into. but taking the concept of 'gay' as being 100% homosexual and exclusively so as truth (which is how christian sees things: in black and white), christian does not fall into that category. by claiming he is gay he is dismissing a large part of his past (which is never healthy) and lying to both himself and his husband. he needs to truthfully put the issue and olli's 'fears' to bed, by admitting he has in the past and probably will in the future find women attractive. but just as a straight man would choose one woman for him and neglect all others who might be able to provide something his partner can't, christian has chosen to make his vows to olli and has (happily, supposedly) sacrificed anything else that might be on offer for the sake of a union. only then will they be able to pick themselves up. it will be a couple of years too late, for me, from the writers. this should have been dealt with early on. there was never any explanation why christian went from shagging olli and saying "i don't know if i am (gay)" to shagging olli and saying; "i'm gay. i'm a gay boxer." whatever it was it must have been quite a whim, because there wasn't any real screen time devoted to it. but i think he acted without thinking and now it's coming back to bite him in the arse. olli wasn't even given an explanation. christian still needs to learn that you don't have to think of the world in binaries to be happy, and in between is not a 'bad' place to be.
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Post by SF on May 2, 2011 17:57:37 GMT -5
Sleeping around does not mean that you are using people. If you aren't promising to love folks and everyone is honest then there is no "using". Lots of young women don't want to be in relationships and would prefer casual experiences with boys or girls for a time in their life (like high school and college) It doesn't mean they are being used. teddy was using people. tvguide.ca/Interviews/Insider/Articles/110502_trevor_donovan_JP.htm" TVG: Teddy seems to be settling back into being a relationship type of person. Are you happy with how he’s been developing?TD: It’s been a great part in the storyline. The first season I came in, Teddy was the ‘womanizer,’ going around and doing whatever he wanted and not really concerned about other peoples’ feelings. As his coming-out story came through, he ends up hooking up with Tripp, his ex-roommate, and then realizes he kind of got played. I think that’s the turning point for Teddy. He realizes, ‘this is how I used to be, and that’s not who I want to be,’ and now he’s realizing the man he wants to be (and not the boy he was). That last episode he was in was definitely the turning point for him."
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Post by SF on May 2, 2011 17:47:44 GMT -5
if i were to go by the kinsey scale (itself not very forgiving in terms of shades of grey), i would put christian a little left of bisexual (or 'equal parts of both') meaning i find him 'predominantly heterosexual but more than incidentally homosexual'. although considering his relationship history it is tempting to classify (god, how i hate that word) him even further toward exclusively heterosexual as; 'predominantly heterosexual only incidentally homosexual'. because had the 'incident' of olli waltzing into his life NOT occurred, i find it quite believable that christian would have gone on to conduct his romantic relationships exclusively with women. that is not to say, olli is the ONLY man christian could ever be sexually attracted to ever. more that something about olli inspired christian to take a leap of faith, as far as his sexuality was concerned, and discover for himself that the boundaries on what he finds sexually pleasurable, exciting and attractive are not quite where he thought they would be. i think the way he is written is as a very confused young man. still. i don't think christian truly understands that it's possible to not be straight, whilst not being 'gay' either. he is desperately trying to create an identity for himself where he can act out a little normalcy - because christian has always been about things being settled and normal and easy. and it's easier to call himself 'gay' and try and box up all his previous heterosexual feelings and shove them to one side, than deal with the possibility he is drifting somewhere between the two. but i think for olli's piece of mind, and ultimately for christian's happiness and security within himself - this issue has to be dealt with. i won't be back loving chrolli anytime soon - but a part of my inner chrolli fan will have a little closure if after his interaction with theresa, christian mann can walk away - with his head held high - and say; okay, so i'm NOT gay - but it doesn't mean i can't LOVE olli - and want to be with him sexually. i think the dust will only settle after he's done that. and maybe he will find some inner peace as well.
and before i get told off, i don't think labels are important - and i don't think they have that much currency (past, present and future) - you become what you label yourself and what others label you. in my theory it's not so much the terms 'straight' or 'gay' or 'bisexual', more the feelings involved. christian quite clearly has the ability to be sexually attracted to women. but he refuses to acknowledge or deal with this possibility - whilst never denying it either. something has to give.
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Post by SF on May 2, 2011 14:18:40 GMT -5
were they on today?
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Post by SF on Apr 28, 2011 1:38:11 GMT -5
i still can't believe that they're trying to sell anton as anything else but a lunatic. he has all the tools to equip him with tolerance, otherwise he wouldn't be a doctor; reason, intelligence, an education, money, and a (at the very least) basic understanding of human psychology. to be so entrenched in such a vile mindset that you would resort to violence, when one of the essential parts of the hippocratic oath is that you will do no harm intentionally? does anyone else not question this SL?! i certainly don't get it. but he does have *crazyeyes* sometimes, so maybe they'll explore the lunacy idea. who knows?!
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Post by SF on Apr 27, 2011 19:57:19 GMT -5
how did it turn from lucas being impatient to another discussion about commitment and monogamy i wonder?! maybe lucas accuses edwin of being boring for taking them fishing. which would be rich coming from him considering his first attempt at a date for them was a wine tasting session! edwin's date ideas are quite sweet, they're just not very lucas!!
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Post by SF on Apr 27, 2011 13:45:51 GMT -5
rikki's sweet like bianca. she has a really warm nature. and plus, sjoerd is really sweet around her.
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