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Post by pepe1958 on Jul 12, 2009 22:00:16 GMT -5
I believe we find out about Fish & Kyle's past the week of 7/20.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jul 3, 2009 23:32:54 GMT -5
If you're curious, last week's ratings are out and OLTL is ABC's #1 soap, albeit with a 1.8 rating; fellow ABC soaps All My Children and General Hospital scored new lows at 1.7, just above ATWT at a 1.6. Y&R was still #1 overall, with a 3.4; most surprising is that Days of Our Lives, with a 2.1 rating, is within striking distance of toppling longtime #2 soap B&B, which had a 2.3 rating.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jul 2, 2009 12:04:50 GMT -5
Oh, one more thing: given how relatively "explicit" the show was with their straight couples in yesterday's episode (first Téa unbuttoning Todd's pants, then Todd lifting Téa up on the wall as he grinds against her), I'll be rather disappointed if the show wimps out on showing a love scene between Fish and Kyle--when that happens.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jul 2, 2009 12:01:43 GMT -5
I think any coming out story is only going to involve Fish, since he's clearly the one more in denial about it; I suspect Kyle is "out" in a selective way--he doesn't advertise, but if pressed he'd probably say, yeah, so what?
I thought yesterday's episode was terrific, not just Kish and Cayla, but the interaction with between Todd and Téa was fabulous and the stuff with Stacy and evil nurse was hilarious. And the climax with Blair singing that great song over the montage was beautiful.
More and more I'm loving this show!
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Post by pepe1958 on Jul 1, 2009 6:30:41 GMT -5
I've been watching OLTL for a month now and am VERY impressed. They're carefully developing Fish and Kyle; the whole stem cell donor s/l is great; I love the banter between Todd, Tea and Blair; and, of course, Dorian is a hoot!
But, yeah, can't wait for more Kish, too!
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 30, 2009 14:27:16 GMT -5
Right, the scenes between Rafe/Adam and Heather/Adam were almost identical, except that we saw Heather and Adam kiss but did not see Rafe and Adam kiss.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 30, 2009 14:24:07 GMT -5
Kyle also blackmailed Natalie and Jared, from SoapCentral:
Kyle ran a DNA test for Natalie Buchanan and Jared Banks that confirmed their suspicions that Natalie's sister, Jessica Brennan, had switched her own stillborn baby with a healthy baby belonging to Starr Manning and Cole Thornhart while under the influence of an alternate personality. Knowing that the truth would devastate Jessica, Natalie and Jared decided to keep quiet about the baby switch. But when Starr and Cole requested a similar DNA test to determine how their baby had died, Kyle realized that the babies had been switched and told Natalie and Jared that he would reveal the secret if they didn't pay him $100,000 within 24 hours.
These were the blackmail charges that Natalie and Jared dropped in exchange for Kyle revealing the identity of the donor.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 30, 2009 14:18:06 GMT -5
Spoilers from Soapzone, which sound like tomorrow's (Wednesday, 7/1/09) episode:
Fish and Kyle experience a tense moment. Kyle hassles Fish for being dudly do-right. Fish goes out with Layla, while Kyle lustily looks on from the bar. A customer sends a free drink Kyle's way, but Kyle turns it down, in favor of lusting after Fish. Blair can clearly see Cristian is pining away for Layla.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 29, 2009 20:54:43 GMT -5
Personally, I like that Fish and Kyle have stories that are currently separate from each other, but stil intertwining them. It's allowing the writers to establish the character within the canvas of Llanview society while also letting them have their occasional scenes together so that the audience picks up that there is something between them. Most of all, they don't exist in a separate bubble. Even in today's show, when John and Bo were making a list of who John wanted on his drug sting operation, Fish was at the top of his list, so he'll likely contribute to the story, and it very well might spill over into his developing story with Kyle. This is very good writing, imho.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 28, 2009 11:41:06 GMT -5
Re the acting on soaps: as pointed out, American soaps air every weekday, Monday through Friday, so the actors are given a ton of material to memorize; due to minimal budgets, they want them to get it all on the first take if possible; they hire based primarily on looks (especially the Bell soaps--Y&R and B&B) rather than talent; and because of the melodramatic material they tend to overact for the camp aspect of it all.
Tricia Cast (Nina), for example, is a terrific actress, but when they opened the casket to reveal no Phillip III, even she went full-out camp melodrama in her reaction. It was glorious fun to watch.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 28, 2009 11:33:43 GMT -5
I think Maya is partially right: the negative responses at Y&R have been due partly to the character involved (Adam), though there have been those that were negative from the get-go.
The OLTL forum has been more positive in my experience; only with the recent firing did a *few* negative, unpleasant comments appear, but it wasn't about the story itself. By and large, I think the OLTL audience is looking forward to the Kish pairing.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 27, 2009 18:47:27 GMT -5
I'm curious to know if any of these walk-outs/firings have occurred on any of the European soaps--an actor or actress objecting to a gay storyline and either quitting or getting the boot...?
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 24, 2009 12:56:32 GMT -5
Obviously, I don't want the entire thread to consist of attacks on Nuke/ATWT, but I do think it's appropriate to occasionally point out where OLTL or Y&R are getting it right (or wrong, if that be the case) in comparison to ATWT. See, they're all soap operas, competing with each other for viewer's eyes; and, especially in the case of OLTL and ATWT, they're direct competitors, airing opposite each other.
That said, I will say this: I'm already more invested and impressed by OLTL's gay coupling so far than I have been of any other soap outside of VL. And I hope OLTL continues to impress me as such.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 24, 2009 10:32:44 GMT -5
Um, ok, look, I don't see why we should censor ourselves if we want to criticize Nuke/ATWT; would you rather we go into the Nuke thread and start flame wars? I know I'd rather not do that. If we occasionally make a comment or wish that OLTL does it better than ATWT has done it, I don't see why that is such a terrible problem.
Also, I happen to be a fan of free-form forums rather than heavily moderated forums; my favorite forum is devoted to movies, a thread could start talking about the latest Sandra Bullock movie and 15 posts later be a fascinating dissertation on the films of F.W. Murnau and the 20 posts after that we'll be talking about French New Wave flicks. That's fun!
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 23, 2009 22:58:10 GMT -5
Yep, before the net and SoapNet, soap viewers were SOL if their shows were interrupted; the most famous example, of course, being CBS News breaking into As the World Turns (broadcast live at the time) on November 22, 1963, to announce that President Kennedy had been shot: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMmq6bz9nC4
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 22, 2009 17:31:53 GMT -5
Interesting: the bit about Cris seeing a same-sex kiss, presumably between Fish and Kyle, is no longer in the article....
Still, it's a terrific interview; Scott seems to be such a wonderful guy, his comments about the story, his family and his own humility are just utterly, utterly charming!
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 21, 2009 13:05:39 GMT -5
But if the characters become popular enough--regardless of whether they're directly attached to a core family--they could remain around for quite awhile. There's a poll over at the OLTL SoapCentral board asking which upcoming storyline viewers are most eager to see and Fish/Kyle are winning. Given how strong OLTL is right now, they could do this storyline correctly, and Kish will become one of their supercouples.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 20, 2009 12:19:23 GMT -5
I see the similarity to Kris Allen; by the way, there's an old fansite of Brett Claywell (Kyle) from his days on One Tree Hill that includes some pics of him when he was younger and in college: www.spiralingdownward.com/bco/photogallery/misc.phpThe actress who plays Roxy is daytime legend Ilene Kristen, who rose to fame playing the scheming Delia Reid on Ryan's Hope in the 70s and 80s; she's been on OLTL since 2001, receiving 2 Emmy nominations for her work there. She's fantastic, I LOVE her!
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 20, 2009 12:12:04 GMT -5
If that were to happen, I think televisions around the nation would melt from the incandescent heat of those two beautiful men together!
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 20, 2009 8:56:09 GMT -5
It also depends on the actors. If one of them decides not to renew his contract, what happens then? Now, on ATWT, if Van Hansis decided not to stay with the show, I suspect Jake Silbermann would be dropped from the show, as Noah would no longer have any reason to be there--Luke and Noah could ride off into the sunset together; conversely, if Silbermann decided to leave, Hansis could stay on, since Luke is a core character--Noah could leave town or die, leaving Luke to find another man to mend his broken heart.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 19, 2009 23:17:46 GMT -5
While I'm certainly looking forward to this development and I think that Y&R is generally a very superior soap, I do think that they've done a poor job of really integrating Rafe into the fabric of Genoa City's social set: as I stated elsewhere, he was missing for an entire month, when he could've been at Lily & Cane's wedding, could've provided a sounding board for Billy's troubles with Chloe, and could've been more pro-active about what's happened with his Aunt Estella.
After all, based on what we've seen on-screen, only 2 people know that Rafe is gay: Colleen (who's also been seen only once in the past month) and J.T. So how does Adam know that Rafe is gay? I hope they establish this somehow before the seduction takes place.
Again, I hate criticizing what I think is the best soap on the air, but it is a justified criticism; I'm looking forward to the Rafe/Adam event, but they've failed to properly set it up, and I also think OLTL has managed to steal their thunder with a strongly written and acted set-up for the Fish/Kyle romance.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 19, 2009 19:52:17 GMT -5
While I agree that they haven't developed Rafe's character properly, I'd also like to point out that Rafe could be using the sex with Adam just as much as Adam is using it with Rafe--the closer Rafe gets to Adam, the closer he could be to finding out the truth.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 19, 2009 16:32:28 GMT -5
Hehe, you mean Genoa City! But, yeah, there'll be more gays in Llanview, too!
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 19, 2009 16:02:12 GMT -5
Further info on the Rafe/Adam spoiler from Nelson Branco:
On June 24, fans are forced to say goodbye to Chris Engen as Adam. The next day, Michael Muhney replaces him as Genoa City’s biggest psycho — well, next to Mary Jane and myself! As for Engen, The Suds Report can now reveal, that according to our sources, the real reason the actor bolted was because he refused to film a scene in which Rafe and Adam have sex, which airs later next week. We didn't want to ruin the story, so we kept the plot twist under wraps by saying it was just a kiss. Yep, that's right — Adam sleeps with Rafe to keep him quiet. And it's not the first time they "do it."
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 19, 2009 9:51:51 GMT -5
Oh, I think Scott's a terrific actor. First, he already has a marvelous sense of comic timing; second, I think he's been directed to be stiff because he's uncomfortable with his nature, and especially around girls (where he's clumsy and nervous) versus Kyle (where he's always on his guard, yet you can still see his desire come through). The fact that the actor who plays Kyle is also very good makes this pairing work wonderfully for me.
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