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Post by thunderkat on Aug 3, 2010 13:33:49 GMT -5
lucky lucky, I hear you babe. I was fully intending to just ignore this ep, but G_d damnit Jo did so well today, so realistic and powerful. I was touched...but it isn't enough to trump what I find problematic about this in general. And that's unfortunate, because it's a bit of tease. We get this wonderful glimpse of how Thore and Jo would act the ever loving Sh*T out of this if given a proper shot but alas it's not meant to be, Christian and Olli will NEVER get the A story that this deserves to be told in, i mean, they didn't even have jonas SAY anything in this... And, intellectually, I understand rebeccas role, I really do. I just wish the writers could have found another way. The only reason they need to use rebecca at all is because they approach this topic in such a slapdash manner. Shallow stuff: That towel was RATHER low slung on Christian's hips. LOVE. IT. That world famous Olli charm was on full display when he was talking w. Charlie, it was like a Charm-off, and charlie is an old pro but Olli wins the day as far as I'm concerned I've realized that Christian's jealousy - or lack of it as showcased in this episode is not, as he suggests to pony because he and Olli are past all that, but because Jonas simply isn't hot enough to trigger his protective instincts. Danke MM, Joanna, Nanna and Paul! Edit: GOD-DAMNIT DIRECTORS STOP FUCKING CUTTING THEIR KISSES SHORT!!! ugh!!! I mean, if the purpose of that initial makeout was to contrast how happy they were before Jonas dropped the bomb, then FUCKING let us SEE that for more than .3 seconds. Yeah, this is completely shallow and yeah it's not strictly necessary...but JESUS!!
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Aug 3, 2010 13:34:54 GMT -5
I will ignore all the things wrong with this SL, and instead divert your attention to this cap. I LOVE Christians straight-acting ways... like when Olli insunuates something sexual to him, verbally or through a look - He plays coy and hard to get with this "Olli dear, why are you looking at me in such a gay way? What could you possibly want to do to me?"-look ;D ;D ;D But as you see in joanna's caps... he cracks immediately.
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Post by valso on Aug 3, 2010 13:38:25 GMT -5
. Heh, sorry, if you can either delete what you quoted of mine, or white it out, like I did ^, that'd be great....as that line of thought is kind of spoilerish (i.e., I was commenting on this SL as a whole, from what the spoilers said about Christian.) Sorry again. Oops. Done ;D could you white it out my part from your quote too? Thanks!
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Post by jordle on Aug 3, 2010 13:39:58 GMT -5
The most ridiculous thing about Rebecca being in love with Christian is that she proves time and time again that she doesn't know him at all. An 'open relationship' who is she trying to kid? Was she not there when Rob was there? Or course she was! The writers - in their infinite wisdom - had her save the damn day! *stabs things* I just can't stand her. She just drags Chrolli down so much. It's lucky Thore and Jo are both so hot
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Post by sylstyle on Aug 3, 2010 13:41:57 GMT -5
I know and as MM said "maybe" they didn't do it bareback ;D Not to be difficult, but... I know I have a bad memory, but even going back and reading everything I wrote I still can't find the part where I supposedly said that. All I said was they didn't actually say they did. Sorry about that what I meant is that as you said it wasn't specified, yet Sylvain
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Post by lotuscat on Aug 3, 2010 14:04:44 GMT -5
And, intellectually, I understand rebeccas role, I really do. I just wish the writers could have found another way. The only reason they need to use rebecca at all is because they approach this topic in such a slapdash manner. Sigh. I get the whole Rebecca writer device fiasco and that sort of makes me hate it even more. I just wish that Christian could have had a nice heart to heart talk with Andi over in the Chrolli kitchen. With Andi perhaps walking in on the boys and then being curious about their relationship from a place of admiration. God, anytime, they show Christian in the Castle kitchen it’s like time to cue Rebecca for more insanity. LOL, this is so definitely the case. Christian doesn’t even consider the possibility that Jonas could be a romantic interest. But since he does know Olli’s track record of unattractive boyfriends (we’ll leave good old Rob out of this, hee!), shouldn’t seeing the guy have set off warning bells? ;D AGREED!!! Is there like a petition we can start? I mean, really WTF?
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Post by jordle on Aug 3, 2010 14:11:14 GMT -5
Edit: GOD-DAMNIT DIRECTORS STOP FUCKING CUTTING THEIR KISSES SHORT!!! ugh!!! I mean, if the purpose of that initial makeout was to contrast how happy they were before Jonas dropped the bomb, then FUCKING let us SEE that for more than .3 seconds. Yeah, this is completely shallow and yeah it's not strictly necessary...but JESUS!! A-freakin-men. Seriously!
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Aug 3, 2010 14:20:22 GMT -5
Edit: GOD-DAMNIT DIRECTORS STOP FUCKING CUTTING THEIR KISSES SHORT!!! ugh!!! I mean, if the purpose of that initial makeout was to contrast how happy they were before Jonas dropped the bomb, then FUCKING let us SEE that for more than .3 seconds. Yeah, this is completely shallow and yeah it's not strictly necessary...but JESUS!! I could not agree more with you. It was WAYYYY too short, soo unfair
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Post by lyddy3 on Aug 3, 2010 14:33:37 GMT -5
I love that amused look on Christian's face when says 'what is it?' to Olli? (or whatever he says to that effect). It's like he's trying to be innocent and curious, but he can't quite hide the fact that he knows that he is sex on legs
Also, apparently this is my day for being reallllllly shallow, why does the fact that he wears that watch make him so much hotter??
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Post by JustaMannsMan on Aug 3, 2010 14:42:49 GMT -5
I love that amused look on Christian's face when says 'what is it?' to Olli? (or whatever he says to that effect). It's like he's trying to be innocent and curious, but he can't quite hide the fact that he knows that he is sex on legs Yes he does & yes he is. Surely I wasn't the only one hollering at Olli to "PULL OFF THE FUCKING TOWEL." Because watches are just unbelievably freakin' HOT.
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Aug 3, 2010 14:52:40 GMT -5
I love that amused look on Christian's face when says 'what is it?' to Olli? (or whatever he says to that effect). It's like he's trying to be innocent and curious, but he can't quite hide the fact that he knows that he is sex on legs WAY ahead of you darling - Look at my post at the end of page 2.
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Post by Nitty on Aug 3, 2010 15:43:18 GMT -5
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Post by jordle on Aug 3, 2010 16:14:36 GMT -5
Since we're all being shallow, am I the only one who goes weak at the knees when Christian says 'okay'. Both this ep and the ep with the horses *flail*
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Post by lyddy3 on Aug 3, 2010 17:11:32 GMT -5
Since we're all being shallow, am I the only one who goes weak at the knees when Christian says 'okay'. Both this ep and the ep with the horses *flail* I know, it's a new Chrissie character trait and I'm loving it And I <3 Thore, so you are And with pictures...suddenly my post seems inadequate...
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Post by thunderkat on Aug 3, 2010 17:45:01 GMT -5
^ Ahem. I'd just like to say he got that from Olli 3:44 Chrissie is a quick learner...
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Post by joanna on Aug 3, 2010 18:18:14 GMT -5
Really sorry for the lateness of these, folks...Delays, distractions, annoyances, other, er, fings.....The full set is now in the thread opener...Click the below pic to view their album.... (Btw, in my caps, look out for a fair few shots where Christian looks to be thinking "Rebecca?...You do know you're just a little bit bonkers, don't you?! ;D) And Nanna and Paul's subbed vid... www.youtube.com/watch?v=90SMXy_IP18And totally agree with Nanna on what she says about Jo in her vid description...I thought he was EXCELLENT in this episode. Nuff said.x
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Post by joanna on Aug 3, 2010 19:04:43 GMT -5
Just watched Nanna's subbed vid....Personally found it quite disrespectful (to the viewer/those who worked on the scene/the audience) that just as Olli...being brilliantly/emotionally acted by Jo...was starting to tell Christian that he used to date Jonas and so could be HIV-positive too (and so, by extension, meaning Christian could now be too), text scrolled across the bottom of the screen, talking about the VL/Marienhof Beachvolleyball-Cup! Grr. That scene should have just been left be.
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Post by Flippityfloppityflip on Aug 3, 2010 19:31:02 GMT -5
Just watched Nanna's subbed vid....Personally found it quite disrespectful (to the viewer/those who worked on the scene/the audience) that just as Olli...being brilliantly/emotionally acted by Jo...was starting to tell Christian that he used to date Jonas and so could be HIV-positive too (and so, by extension, meaning Christian could now be too), text scrolled across the bottom of the screen, talking about the VL/Marienhof Beachvolleyball-Cup! Grr. That scene should have just been left be. Totally, totally agree with you Joanna. First they give us a chrolli kiss lasting nanoseconds compared to say a Lydia and Ansgar kiss, then they go and spoil Jo's big scene like that. So uncalled for. Thanks anyway to you, Nanna, Tikhon, Mercurymay and others for bringing us our Chrolli moments.
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Aug 4, 2010 1:17:33 GMT -5
Just watched Nanna's subbed vid....Personally found it quite disrespectful (to the viewer/those who worked on the scene/the audience) that just as Olli...being brilliantly/emotionally acted by Jo...was starting to tell Christian that he used to date Jonas and so could be HIV-positive too (and so, by extension, meaning Christian could now be too), text scrolled across the bottom of the screen, talking about the VL/Marienhof Beachvolleyball-Cup! Grr. That scene should have just been left be. I had the exact same thought. At first when I saw something roll across the screen, I was thinking it was some "Want to dobate money to AIDS-HILFE?" or something like that. That would have been innapropriate too, but would have fitted better.
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Post by bsgnut on Aug 4, 2010 1:21:19 GMT -5
Wow, this is the most bizarre episode I can ever remember for this show.
First, the out-of-left-field comment from Rebecca about 3-ways (seriously?) and then the Jonas being HIV positive and Olli being worried thing. Is this really going to be a storyline?
Do the writers really expect us to believe that 1) Olli has not had an HIV test in the 2+ years he's been with Christian? and 2) they would not be using condoms as just a regular precaution?
Haven't read spoilers in awhile, but am just floored by this turn of events. Have we suddenly transported back to 1985?
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Post by jordle on Aug 4, 2010 1:38:00 GMT -5
Everyone is talking about how Christian and Olli aren't using condoms based on this storyline. That isn't true at all (I mean, yes part of me thinks that is incredibly hot and hopes that is the case). Even if they did always use protection you would still freak out if you found out you had slept with someone who was positive. You can use as much protection as you want but condoms break - things happen. Also does this mean he slept with Jonas bareback? Cause I highly doubt Olli would be that dumb.
The HIV and STD testing though - that part is ludicrous. Olli would've been tested.
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Post by lotuscat on Aug 4, 2010 3:27:32 GMT -5
Everyone is talking about how Christian and Olli aren't using condoms based on this storyline. That isn't true at all (I mean, yes part of me thinks that is incredibly hot and hopes that is the case). Even if they did always use protection you would still freak out if you found out you had slept with someone who was positive. You can use as much protection as you want but condoms break - things happen. Also does this mean he slept with Jonas bareback? Cause I highly doubt Olli would be that dumb. The HIV and STD testing though - that part is ludicrous. Olli would've been tested. Absolutely, things happen. Even with a condom there is risk. No such thing as completely safe sex. So, yeah, testing regularly is really the only option. It makes sense for the boys to have been tested before, basic common sense. But the way the scene is played it does seem like Olli hasn't been tested since he's been with Christian and that Christian hasn't been tested since being with Olli. This is so difficult to accept. It's outrageous actually and irresponsible for the writers to think this would ever be an acceptable option for Chrolli.
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Post by lyra85 on Aug 4, 2010 3:42:43 GMT -5
when I saw this I was hoping he would grab the tower instead ;D
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Post by canadiansunshine on Aug 4, 2010 3:46:33 GMT -5
Um...weird weird episode is all I can say. I got an inkling of what was to come (can't really prevent somewhat spoiled when on different sites) but didn't know where/what/why/whatever. To come at this point in the SL when they're going to get married? WTF? What about the first few months of their relationship when they decided to be serious? Shouldn't they have had this conversation then? When they decided to be monogamous they either: get tested, keep using condoms to be generally safe; not tested, use condoms (makes no sense still); get tested, trust absolutely in your partner, and go bare (still hella dangerous-I'm sure Elin Woods felt *really* safe with Tiger messing around with all those high risk women); or go bare and not tested, not talked about, in, what, 3 years? Really? Even if it's not a "let's go to the clinic to get specifically tested", they had both been in the hospital, would they have said no to a blood test? given blood? You MUST be tested. Christian was a professional boxer for crying out loud! Surely You have to be tested to even get into the ring, as UFC fighters have to. OK, maybe they have been super safe, tested, and are just in shock over hearing this, and worrying about inadvertent transmission. Still, why bring this up out from left field? No buildup, no context, no backstory, silly convo with R... OK. I get it. It's a soap. But, HIV is still a real issue in the gay community. It is also a huge one in the hetero community too. Not to mention pretty damn unpleasant STI's and STD's. i don't mind this kind of story being told if it is told well, if it is given the thoughtfulness and attention it deserves. but I have NO faith in the writers of VL to tell this well. Especially after this ep and the Rob fiasco. I hope to be proven wrong. doubtful. If they can't write drama for Christian and Olli, without turning it into a mess, then stick to cute fussing over wedding favours and colour schemes and them all naked and happy prancing in the meadow with flowers in their hair. But don't bring up such a serious issue with the only gay couple on the show and then do a crappy job. On another note: I'm curious why so many posters find barebacking between two guys hot. It's not a judgement or anything, I'm just curious. I find intimacy between two guys hot, but it doesn't matter to me if one is wearing a lid. If anything, I'm relieved they are. Is is it still hotter if a guy and a girl do it skin to skin, vs wearing a condom? Cuz I have heard many an argument from guys (and girls' bitch sessions) of "it just feels better without one" as justification.
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Post by JustaMannsMan on Aug 4, 2010 5:05:27 GMT -5
when I saw this I was hoping he would grab the tower instead ;D LMAO. YOU... are my hero of the day. No such thing as completely safe sex. Well, except for sex between partners that are HIV- in a completely monogamous relationship. I know, I know... but I'm just sayin'... All in all, I'm bettin' the writers didn't realize how many questions this dumbass little SL poses, not to mention that almost ANY of the answers to those questions are likely to be highly contentious. I don't know if I'm looking forward to the rest of this SL or not. I think mostly that I hope they slap the boys with a clean bill of health and move the fuck on. I just keep reminding myself that all we REALLY know is that Olli was once with Jonas and that Jonas is HIV+. Oh, okay... in addition to a clean bill of health, the persnickety party of wouldn't mind having a little fun if the conversation they'd better have about when Olli was with Jonas involves Olli's tear streaked cheeks and quivering lip as he says, "well, remember when I stayed longer than planned in Ibiza...."
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