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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2010 12:54:39 GMT -5
I was there a couple weeks ago. You know you're not suppose to straddle Nessie there's a sign
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Post by sio127 on Jun 3, 2010 13:17:32 GMT -5
I did it on the sly........ btw.....found out who the blow up doll belonged to....do you even need to guess!! Sylvain admitted it under torture!.....I made him watch the Chrebecca kiss and after the 2nd time he told all...... my fanfic wil be out at the weekend!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2010 13:25:08 GMT -5
Sio: sneaky sneaky And yay! Fanfic
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Post by sylstyle on Jun 3, 2010 13:30:25 GMT -5
I did it on the sly........ btw.....found out who the blow up doll belonged to....do you even need to guess!! Sylvain admitted it under torture!.....I made him watch the Chrebecca kiss and after the 2nd time he told all...... my fanfic wil be out at the weekend! never noticed that Rebecca was in my closet ;D that's why I've been having nightmares ;D Sylvain
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Post by xxmic3xx on Jun 3, 2010 13:30:54 GMT -5
it's not pinter, it's VL and i can do without silent intensity in place of actual plot. i think they play on the reputation of the actors chemistry and they think it can sustain a scene. that may be true if there's an actual interesting plot in the background. but here we have olli saying 'we should break up' (and this is OLLI the hanger-on, ever forgiving, mann loving, christian junkie) and then barely five minutes pass, dialogue-wise, and we are meant to believe they are back together?! seriously?!? i feel the urge to write out the dialogue because i just want to see for myself how it looks on the page. unimpressive i can imagine. god, it's so late. i'll give it a go and see where i get bored (courtesy of nanna's awesome subs of course): so we get: O: obviously that's not enough... one of your silent pauses that you love so much C: you have to turn it off O: what? C: the water O: Thanks random flashback (i actually think they chose a shit scene from the entire boxing SL (especially cos christian didn't witness that little exchange) but i think they did it to highlight rob's sinister role) C: That asshole! O: What? (again ) C: That axel guy... he nearly killed you back then random flashback C: what are you thinking about right now? O: your heart-thingy (i can't spell) C: even though it hit you harder than it hit me (err... sorry have i missed something? where did this come in? okay so i'm not expecting pinter, but it's like they missed out a chunk of dialogue!!) cause i took out all my frustration on you O: because one second to the next everything was over for you. all your goals.. your dreams C: but i had you O: and i had you... i don't want it to be over. C: me neither (SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?!? that's it?!?!? that's all you've got mr mann?!!?!?! thats the best you can think of?!?!?! when you spew your heart out to the countess every time she pops open a cork?!!?) 'nother of your dramatic pauses.. hug yeah that pissed me off more writing that down. i wrote better dramatic dialogue in my high school lit class. and i am definitely no writer. and i don't think it's a case of the emotion being lost in translation. they just didn't say enough to make me buy any of their bullshit anymore. i'll be chuckling if they fall apart again. [/quote] I can't agree more with you. I was disappointed by this so called reconciliation and the flashback were too cheesy for me. But we have to resign ourselves and feel more sorry for the boys than us because we can still enjoy the little things they have to offer while they have to cope with bad writers and pathetic dialogues (seriously sometimes it's like we have to endure shitty twilight dialogues -_-,, the worst would certainly be the scene after Christian kissed Reb at the party "you're asking me why i'm mad??" 0.o SERIOUSLY !!!)
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Post by SF on Jun 3, 2010 14:27:56 GMT -5
what stumps me is how they got from the table scene to the next!!olli pretty much ponders whether or not they should break up, both of them are completely teary eyed and resigned to their irreconcilable differences and then the camera cuts away and next minute olli's brewing the kettle? i mean what happened that we didn't see?!!? "it's not enough (i.e. should we break up?)... actually - wait a sec, fancy a cuppa? my mouths a little dry from all the emotional heart rending weeping i'm doing.." i mean it's soap - as i said; continuity, originality, complexity - these aren't things i expect. but a touch of realism?! a few scenes to embroider the tapestry and make it even the slightest bit natural. that's what i mean with the C story crap they always pull on chrolli. i could have done with a scene in between reconciliation hug and NLs munchies and cuddles. they felt way too disparate. they didn't talk - yet we're meant to believe christian goes from completely crushed and futureless to supremely confident and pumped in front of rob?! how did he get there? where's the journey. even some symbolic scenes would have been decent of them, like key ring scenes in chrolli olden days, or talking to other people even... chrolli are SO isolated!! and then the next day christian is slapping rebecca's arse?! after nearly LOSING OLLI because he kissed this woman?!! i mean i'm starting to think that christian hasn't got a brain. total himbo. because the alternative - that he's a cocky arrogant prick and just doesn't care, until olli finds out - is too upsetting.
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Post by lizg12 on Jun 3, 2010 20:35:25 GMT -5
...random flashback (i actually think they chose a shit scene from the entire boxing SL (especially cos christian didn't witness that little exchange) but i think they did it to highlight rob's sinister role)... (I hope I'm attributing the quotes to the right person, apologies if I don't) But, that's not the first time (on any show) that a flashback doesn't 'make sense' for the person having the memory. And which other scene could they have used - one of the ones of Olli in the hospital? That's not quite the same as reminding, or for newer viewers, actually showing them, that Olli had been attacked. And even though they didn't show Olli (that I recall) describing the attack to Christian, he must have at some point - Olli spoke to the police and the lawyer when Axel was being charged, Christian HAD to have a pretty good idea, and/or a good imagination, of what happened that night. Short of re-filming a flashback, using one of the scenes they already have, even if realistically it's not Christian's memory, that scene was as good as anything else I think. To me, Christian's statement is perfectly valid. My husband has cancer and he rarely comments on how much taking care/worrying about him takes a toll on me. Just like Christian didn't say anything to Olli that he realized that Olli was impacted too. But every once in a (rare) while, my husband - like Christian - just comes out with a "I know it's hard for you too and I don't tell you that I appreciate all you do for me" type of comment. I'm not sure where you're from, but from the NY GOOL weekend panel, it sounded like gay couples weren't 'new' or unusual on German TV. In NY, the actors were asked if they read any fanfic, Jo (or maybe Thore) answered something like "yes, and some of it is better than the show." ;D
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Post by rosebud on Jun 3, 2010 20:56:14 GMT -5
what stumps me is how they got from the table scene to the next!!olli pretty much ponders whether or not they should break up, both of them are completely teary eyed and resigned to their irreconcilable differences and then the camera cuts away and next minute olli's brewing the kettle? i mean what happened that we didn't see?!!? "it's not enough (i.e. should we break up?)... actually - wait a sec, fancy a cuppa? my mouths a little dry from all the emotional heart rending weeping i'm doing.." Husky - I have three words in response to your post (if you count the last as a word) - Hallelujah, Amen, and WTF?! You said it all. Well, all except one thing. No hot make-up sex?! Barely a kiss. They've nutured Chrolli! Could they make them any more dumb, bland and boring? We need to start a save Chrolli campaign. By that I don't mean save them as a couple, but save them from this crappy writing. I love a happy Chrolli as much as the next fan but the whiplash I got following them from tears to googoo eyes made me just a bit nauseous.
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Post by SF on Jun 4, 2010 9:12:06 GMT -5
to lizg12But, that's not the first time (on any show) that a flashback doesn't 'make sense' for the person having the memory. And which other scene could they have used - one of the ones of Olli in the hospital? That's not quite the same as reminding, or for newer viewers, actually showing them, that Olli had been attacked. And even though they didn't show Olli (that I recall) describing the attack to Christian, he must have at some point - Olli spoke to the police and the lawyer when Axel was being charged, Christian HAD to have a pretty good idea, and/or a good imagination, of what happened that night. Short of re-filming a flashback, using one of the scenes they already have, even if realistically it's not Christian's memory, that scene was as good as anything else I think. either of the shots of christian discovering olli (NLs or scheneiders) would have been more believable. but i would have taken anything, instead of that scene. it came off as cheesy. i'd have even preferred the scene where olli is undoing his hand wraps for him. they chose that scene to shock and show olli under threat and it made me cringe.To me, Christian's statement is perfectly valid. My husband has cancer and he rarely comments on how much taking care/worrying about him takes a toll on me. Just like Christian didn't say anything to Olli that he realized that Olli was impacted too. But every once in a (rare) while, my husband - like Christian - just comes out with a "I know it's hard for you too and I don't tell you that I appreciate all you do for me" type of comment. i'm very sorry about your husband. really truly i am - and while i can't comment on individual's own experiences - i wasn't really talking about the comment itself. rather the way the dialogue was constructed. go to any creative writing course and you learn pretty quick that there is a technique to different styles of writing - and this interchange had no natural flow or logical progression. without the flashbacks it's not something that could exist as a stand alone piece of dialogue - let alone be remembered as a great piece of (soap) dialogue. and considering how important chrolli are to however many people and how long they've been fighting, that this was supposed to be their reconciliation was bitterly disappointing for me from a dialogue point of view. and it wasn't just christian's character. olli making the jump from "i had you" to "i don't want it to be over" is not enough for me either. especially considering he was the one who wanted to break it off. if i stoop to believing and buying this then the characters are diminished for me.I'm not sure where you're from, but from the NY GOOL weekend panel, it sounded like gay couples weren't 'new' or unusual on German TV. when i say 'modern' i mean in the traditional sense of the word, rather than 'never been done before' sense of the word. as of yet you can't really say that prolific gay couples have a history on television or even in media. it was only after the events 80's that it even became more than just an allusion to homosexuality in mainstream media. and only really with the noughties can you say that gay couples have been as visible as straight couples - if not as SL heavy as other characters. if you think soap opera (or kitchen sink drama) was 'invented' by those weekly periodicals of the 19th century and were one of the first regular programs to be broadcast in most countries along with current affairs - gay relationships are pretty brand new within that genre. and i do really ascribe to the view that a lot of people cannot get over the first hurdle. the 'gay' thing becomes something in and of itself. and i think that has been chrolli's problem. especially considering as thore said they were only meant to be a 3-4 month thing. i really think the writers and producers ran out of ideas and it is only on the strength of the actors that the couple really shone even in the bleakest of background scenes. except now they are being served drama it's unfortunately written and unbelievable. dross really. and it's disappointing. In NY, the actors were asked if they read any fanfic, Jo (or maybe Thore) answered something like; yes, and some of it is better than the show. cute..
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