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Post by lyra85 on Jun 1, 2010 16:33:02 GMT -5
what?? we don't get a glimpse of THAT night, that has left Olli sooo exausted?? mean people...
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Post by SF on Jun 1, 2010 16:36:51 GMT -5
that was it? seriously? that's the major reconciliation i've been waiting months for?! the scripting didn't even make sense in the first lot of flatshare talks. it was barely saved by the flashbacks. how anyone came up with that on paper and thought they'd found the perfect resolution for weeks on end of pathetic squabbling is beyond me. it doesn't make any sense. they were just plucking random half-truths out the air to consolidate and solidify the characters' relationship. sure, in his heart christian may worry about possibly losing olli and recall the axel situation when he very nearly did lose olli - but the flashback felt hammered into the scene and considering minutes ago at the table they were questioning whether their love was 'enough' - that leading onto olli lamenting the myocarditis felt completely hamfisted. it was like they were playing all their cards in the shortest amount of time possible. it doesn't do either of the characters justice and it shows so little respect to the fans who've stuck with this all the way through. i can only compare it to how i felt watching the lost final episode. after putting up with so much crap over however many seasons there were just because i had fallen in love with the premise in the beginning and then to get served that tepid bullshit. i mean you didn't even find out what the numbers were!! today VL hit a new low for me. chrolli were a B story at most - and this was their big climatic reunion. are teenagers writing this bullshit or something? there was nothing real about this. nothing relatable. nothing convincing. and nothing to make me think they've both realised their mistakes. it was like they reconciled just because they've been together this long already, and because they've been through so much and heck! they even loved eachother once. it reeked of desperation and fear - IF i saw any sort of motivation for them to stay together. which i didn't. really. most of all it felt like going through the motions. *sigh*
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Post by luckycharm on Jun 1, 2010 17:12:05 GMT -5
^ Oh joanna, only because of your caps, I get to be tickled by such priceless touches. Like King Kong on top of the Empire State Building Statue of Liberty. And, it's so Christian-like too - like a Chrolli dynamic silly joke [it's their type of humour]. Too cute! Reminds me of "No Sports!" line b/w Christian/Olli/Judith. Sigh Judith, woot Miriam! Oh, props to the props peeps!
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Post by FloMay on Jun 1, 2010 17:22:07 GMT -5
^ Thank you Joanna, I think the NY breakfast looks goood! Probably cos I think I could pretty much live on muffins and donuts. Dammit, now I'm hungry, mmm muffins...
ROFLMAO at what Christian managed to scrounge up while Olli was sleeping in...statue of liberty, king kong, flags, cushion with New York embroidered on it...he also appears to have stolen an illuminated Open sign, presumably from a nearby shop ;D ;D You've just got to love the VL props dept!
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Post by joanna on Jun 1, 2010 18:05:46 GMT -5
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Post by kevinlantojack on Jun 1, 2010 19:21:45 GMT -5
that was it? seriously? that's the major reconciliation i've been waiting months for?! the scripting didn't even make sense in the first lot of flatshare talks. it was barely saved by the flashbacks. how anyone came up with that on paper and thought they'd found the perfect resolution for weeks on end of pathetic squabbling is beyond me. it doesn't make any sense. they were just plucking random half-truths out the air to consolidate and solidify the characters' relationship. sure, in his heart christian may worry about possibly losing olli and recall the axel situation when he very nearly did lose olli - but the flashback felt hammered into the scene and considering minutes ago at the table they were questioning whether their love was 'enough' - that leading onto olli lamenting the myocarditis felt completely hamfisted. it was like they were playing all their cards in the shortest amount of time possible. it doesn't do either of the characters justice and it shows so little respect to the fans who've stuck with this all the way through. i can only compare it to how i felt watching the lost final episode. after putting up with so much crap over however many seasons there were just because i had fallen in love with the premise in the beginning and then to get served that tepid bullshit. i mean you didn't even find out what the numbers were!! today VL hit a new low for me. chrolli were a B story at most - and this was their big climatic reunion. are teenagers writing this bullshit or something? there was nothing real about this. nothing relatable. nothing convincing. and nothing to make me think they've both realised their mistakes. it was like they reconciled just because they've been together this long already, and because they've been through so much and heck! they even loved eachother once. it reeked of desperation and fear - IF i saw any sort of motivation for them to stay together. which i didn't. really. most of all it felt like going through the motions. *sigh* What I think they are showing us, is that they have been fighting all this time ,but now they are having this little chat they just realize how they almost lost each other and that's why the showed the flashbacks and seeing how much they love, care and want to be with each other
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Post by SF on Jun 1, 2010 19:23:53 GMT -5
i'm even more angry now! after second viewing. seriously, who writes this?!!?!?!? have they ever been in love?!!? or afraid of losing someone?!?!?!? or in any kind of emotional relationship at all!?!?!?!?!? it's a shame regular non-soap character people don't have a giant projector inside their brains to playback recollections of rose tinted, soft focus memories of the most random significant moments in their relationship to make them reconsider a break up!!! seriously! 'chrollis' reunion is based solely on a flimsy visual connection to real drama of previous writers. it's really shoddy that the current writers are SO shit they have to piggyback on the work of more talented souls. and how crappy a situation that puts jo and thore in. not only are they not given the opportunity to act the bollocks off a good SL, they are given no.real.SL AT ALL and have to put on stupid 'thoughtful' faces while their past work gets played over the top of them. it's such a cop out. good god, i could fucking scream. i'm sure there's people on this board who could do a better job. and i'm not being a biased chrolli fan. but even if i was who wouldn't sacrifice the philco/trihelandi deluge of crap we're getting tomorrow to get a better, properer resolution to this nightmare?! maybe even more than just the most mild hint of a physical reunion. i mean lyseb gets a bed scene when lydia even looks at ansgar! what do chrolli have to do?! we've already had the dry humping.
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Post by SF on Jun 1, 2010 19:27:32 GMT -5
i would forgo the flashback in favor of some explanatory dialogue. that for me is the cop out.
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Post by Flippityfloppityflip on Jun 1, 2010 20:31:15 GMT -5
The cop out for me Soapfan is having this episode followed by a separate vlog that I can't download to get my mega dose of squeee. The vlog contents should have been combined with today's episode. Why oh why does the good, well written, well directed stuff that should be in the episode get sidelined into the vlog. It doesn't make sense at all!
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Post by thunderkat on Jun 1, 2010 20:39:43 GMT -5
Sorry yet again, everyone, for the HUGE delay/wait on my caps set ( album link[/url]). They are now all all up in the thread opener.... [/quote] Danke danke Danke Joanna!! Always worth the wait. I just wanted to say...re: this pic...Thore's nose is like so intimately acquainted w. that spot on JO's cheek, lol. It's like X marks the spot for their kisses. go ahead, look through joanna's caps. The boys have a system and the system WORKS.
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Post by husky14620 on Jun 1, 2010 20:49:20 GMT -5
I suspect this is all we're going to get for the end of the troubles. It seemed like they were still just sweeping things under the rug, slapping lipstick on the pig as it were. But I don't expect Frau Feiler and company to write quality drama, so why would I expect better writing than this?
Sadly, I think we will soon be back to once or twice a month sightings of them together, with each having separate supporting roles for the other stories. I also suspect that this will be better than the alternative, the ride off into the sunset following Luise and Gregor, but only barely.
DasErste has never figured out how to monetize Chrolli's international fanbase. And neither has GrundyUFA. So, Chrolli will continue to be poorly written, and pushed back to the B - C story line they were originally meant to be. It is such a let down. I wanted them back together, no doubt, but I still wanted well written drama, not this Scheiße! These actors are better than this, they deserve better than this. And I hope they both get it soon.
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Post by thunderkat on Jun 1, 2010 20:52:38 GMT -5
I consider it a severe violation of privacy that you've installed a camera in my room. I can't help it if in my dreams my pillow becomes Jo or Thore. But seriously, the reality of it is, that the boys are the C-story of this soap, always have been, and unless MAJOR shakeups occur in ratings/ demographics, always will be. I take issue with the fact that they didn't..in addition to the times where they almost lost each other, they didn't also show the times when they unconditionally supported each other. Yes, the writers could have had them talk, and god yes i can't get enough of Thore and Jo acting, but the fact remains that this is a visual medium, and the default will always be show rather than tell. What the writers/directors don't realize, is that Jo and Thore are SO SO adept at showing when given the chance. I think they got to do this to some extent today, i mean the scene was replete with the quiet and very real intensity I think we've all come to associate with Chrolli. But of course, it's not enough. Unfortunately it may never be enough given how mythically we've built the boys up in our hearts and our imaginations. It seems unrealistic that after 5 months or so SSDD w. Rob and Rebecca that both Christian AND Olli would suddenly have an AA like moment of clarity and GET it, but it's either that, a break up, or noch mal runde with the ROllianBeccaVid carousel . The previous episode was the line in the sand, the rubicon so to speak. Christian cast the die, and in this episode the boys came to a decision. Yes, the writers could have drawn it out and appealed to mine (and apparently luckycharms) masochistic desire for edge or just get to the punch line as it were. Given the 5 months of Sh!t we've had to slog through, a quick end is rather merciful. unrealistic and rushed...but merciful.
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Post by brownsugar on Jun 1, 2010 20:55:18 GMT -5
i'm even more angry now! after second viewing. seriously, who writes this?!!?!?!? have they ever been in love?!!? or afraid of losing someone?!?!?!? or in any kind of emotional relationship at all!?!?!?!?!? it's a shame regular non-soap character people don't have a giant projector inside their brains to playback recollections of rose tinted, soft focus memories of the most random significant moments in their relationship to make them reconsider a break up!!! seriously! 'chrollis' reunion is based solely on a flimsy visual connection to real drama of previous writers. it's really shoddy that the current writers are SO shit they have to piggyback on the work of more talented souls. and how crappy a situation that puts jo and thore in. not only are they not given the opportunity to act the bollocks off a good SL, they are given no.real.SL AT ALL and have to put on stupid 'thoughtful' faces while their past work gets played over the top of them. it's such a cop out. good god, i could fucking scream. i'm sure there's people on this board who could do a better job. and i'm not being a biased chrolli fan. but even if i was who wouldn't sacrifice the philco/trihelandi deluge of crap we're getting tomorrow to get a better, properer resolution to this nightmare?! maybe even more than just the most mild hint of a physical reunion. i mean lyseb gets a bed scene when lydia even looks at ansgar! what do chrolli have to do?! we've already had the dry humping. soapfan...something tells me you're a little angry/disappointed at today's episode. I do agree with you though that it did seemed rushed with everything tied up in a nice big blue bow. And with their relationship in turmoil for months on end...Olli worried about Christian going back to women...Christian worried that he may loose Olli to Rob I do see where you are coming from. And I whole heartily agree with you regarding Ollian as a B storyline. No matter the publicity and exposure to foreign shores, Ollian remain what they've always been to VL...a B story. After with what has gone down over the last year, i'm not expecting any smart writing or even moments of brilliance with this writing team. Those days came to an abrupt end when Chrouse exited the show. I honestly can say I just kick back and enjoy this storyline for what it is. I'm still grateful that Jo and Thore will give it their all with the little they have thrown at them. And I actually did enjoy today's episode. I thought the reconciliation was a long time coming. Olli and Christian finally had that long awaited talk. And the flash backs I though were a nice touch. It highlighted what they've both endured and what they mean to each other. What I do fine annoying and a blatent double standard...Ollian's kisses last a few seconds and are very often cut short mid way. I'm like...what the hell is that all about. And it happens over and over again.
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Post by meinfraulein on Jun 1, 2010 21:17:21 GMT -5
Joanna, that first screencap you posted of that doctor made me scream with laughter - we should have a "Caption This Picture" for that one! I have no idea what that look on his face is supposed to mean, but I laughed so hard my neighbours all probably think I'm insane :-).
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Post by irinobabe on Jun 1, 2010 21:34:23 GMT -5
I concur with previous posters regarding lack of quality of writing. The only way I can enjoy VL and the boys' storyline is to drastically lower expectations and enjoy the eye candy. I just miss the thrill of first getting into their story and how amazing it was to see their story told so tastefully and with some depth. Too bad about missing opportunities for refreshing stories, emotions, or characters. I will always enjoy Jo and Thore's acting and their portrayal of Chrolli.
Today's episode was another bandaid-cute, emotional for Chrolli, but superficial. I resign myself to the fact that's really all we're gonna get after months and months of SL buildup. Oh well.
I just loved Miriam today and the last couple of eps. She's so cute you just want to pinch her cheeks. She should've gotten more Christian action in the dream. I guess that might have sent Olli around the bend considering she works for him.
so glad christian finally beat Rob at his own game-snarked back like a pompous beauty queen and threw the fact that Olli loves HIM into Rob's smug little face. Now THAT's a more effective way of dealing with Rob. But he was only able to have the confidence to do that when Olli put the hammer down and slammed Rob shut and finally chose Christian over Rob. In front of Christian.
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Post by Flippityfloppityflip on Jun 1, 2010 21:36:06 GMT -5
What I do fine annoying and a blatent double standard...Ollian's kisses last a few seconds and are very often cut short mid way. I'm like...what the hell is that all about. And it happens over and over again. So, so agree with you brownsugar. Did they cut short Christian's smooch with Nico? Hell no, but they love doing it to Christian and Olli. Come on VL if you can throw us a a brief bed scene every now and then, then why can't you give us a few more seconds of Christian and Olli kisses. It's not as if we insist on tongues being used! Since you've started me off on a rant brownsugar, I might as well mention the pillar and the potted plant. I might have thought it was cute that a tired out Olli had to lean on the pillar for support, but what the heck when you've got Christian in the room to hang onto that pillar shouldn't be getting a look in. When the boys are all loved up, nothing should be getting in their way, I say!
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Post by SF on Jun 1, 2010 21:44:31 GMT -5
to thunderkat:the reality of it is, that the boys are the C-story of this soap, always have been, and unless MAJOR shakeups occur in ratings/ demographics, always will be. but every other C couple gets their time in the sun when their SL's call for them to be topmost priority in an episode. every other couple, except chrolli. it just baffles me. i mean what's the point of a couple that never has episode-leading drama?! it's stale and old, i'd rather they break up than be the couple that never, ever got any spotlight whatsoeverI take issue with the fact that they didn't..in addition to the times where they almost lost each other, they didn't also show the times when they unconditionally supported each other. i get what you mean. but my problem with the flashbacks was that they showed the times when olli has made sacrifices for christian and christian's dreams, or supported him when things go wrong, even endangering their relationship to stop christian harming himself. and they both have these flashbacks - but instead of the conclusion being "you supported me - i owe you the same" - the resolution, the reason they 'get back together' (not that they ever quite managed a separation : - it's 'dreams don't matter as long as we have eachother'. and olli agrees. he's practically apologizing in that scene (you kinda got what you wanted justamann). that's why he turns down rob. and says he has more important stuff than NLs to deal with. unfortunately the whole 'dreams don't matter... we have eachother' theory - doesn't work well for them when they put it into practice. the reason they worked so well in the first place is because they accepted one another dreams and all and supported eachother. that attitude went down the toilet and so, very nearly did their relationship - in quick succession. some may say that christian's NY gesture makes up for this, but SPOILER we already know he ends up in NY with olli. thats not trusting olli to seperate work and business. and even though i love the idea of chrolli in NY in principle it kind of nullifies what went before it. shoddy writing again, spoiling things. Yes, the writers could have had them talk, and god yes i can't get enough of Thore and Jo acting, but the fact remains that this is a visual medium, and the default will always be show rather than tell. What the writers/directors don't realize, is that Jo and Thore are SO SO adept at showing when given the chance. I think they got to do this to some extent today, i mean the scene was replete with the quiet and very real intensity I think we've all come to associate with Chrolli. it's not pinter, it's VL and i can do without silent intensity in place of actual plot. i think they play on the reputation of the actors chemistry and they think it can sustain a scene. that may be true if there's an actual interesting plot in the background. but here we have olli saying 'we should break up' (and this is OLLI the hanger-on, ever forgiving, mann loving, christian junkie) and then barely five minutes pass, dialogue-wise, and we are meant to believe they are back together?! seriously?!? i feel the urge to write out the dialogue because i just want to see for myself how it looks on the page. unimpressive i can imagine. god, it's so late. i'll give it a go and see where i get bored (courtesy of nanna's awesome subs of course): so we get: O: obviously that's not enough... one of your silent pauses that you love so much C: you have to turn it off O: what? C: the water O: Thanks random flashback (i actually think they chose a shit scene from the entire boxing SL (especially cos christian didn't witness that little exchange) but i think they did it to highlight rob's sinister role) C: That asshole! O: What? (again ) C: That axel guy... he nearly killed you back then random flashback C: what are you thinking about right now? O: your heart-thingy (i can't spell) C: even though it hit you harder than it hit me (err... sorry have i missed something? where did this come in? okay so i'm not expecting pinter, but it's like they missed out a chunk of dialogue!!) cause i took out all my frustration on you O: because one second to the next everything was over for you. all your goals.. your dreams C: but i had you O: and i had you... i don't want it to be over. C: me neither (SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?!? that's it?!?!? that's all you've got mr mann?!!?!?! thats the best you can think of?!?!?! when you spew your heart out to the countess every time she pops open a cork?!!?) 'nother of your dramatic pauses.. hug yeah that pissed me off more writing that down. i wrote better dramatic dialogue in my high school lit class. and i am definitely no writer. and i don't think it's a case of the emotion being lost in translation. they just didn't say enough to make me buy any of their bullshit anymore. i'll be chuckling if they fall apart again. But of course, it's not enough. Unfortunately it may never be enough given how mythically we've built the boys up in our hearts and our imaginations. It seems unrealistic that after 5 months or so SSDD w. Rob and Rebecca that both Christian AND Olli would suddenly have an AA like moment of clarity and GET it, but it's either that, a break up, or noch mal runde with the ROllianBeccaVid carousel . it's not mythical to me. it's giving a couple what they deserve. and i still think, in my heart of hearts, it's because gay couples are still a relatively modern concept in TV and production teams like VLs aren't comfortable dealing with a long term gay, but monogamous couple and the sort of issues they might face. hence the repetition of this never ending cycle of woe. as a society we are still getting to grips with the 'coming to terms with your sexuality' SL - it's getting more broad in it's discussion - but that's why there is still room for stories like christian and syed's on eastenders. but past that, unless the show is completely youthful (and everything is normalized in a heightened and more lax sexualized world) these big, high gloss shows don't know what to do. so we get the permanent adolescentization (not a word i know! ;D) of these stories (when they do get a story). chrolli could have a very grown up wedding tomorrow but they'd still either get shoved in the background or made to endure this endless round of kissing-girls, fending off love rival crap. they'll never get an ansgar to olli's lydia. or a matnat-type story centered around the family they might create for themselves. they've stalled. and these kind of episodes don't help. it's eeking out as many miles from the ebbs of your fuel tank as you can. sputtering away. until some brave head writer comes on and says 'let's do something different' it's not gonna change. and i don't have a lot of hope.. The previous episode was the line in the sand, the rubicon so to speak. Christian cast the die, and in this episode the boys came to a decision. Yes, the writers could have drawn it out and appealed to mine (and apparently luckycharms) masochistic desire for edge or just get to the punch line as it were. Given the 5 months of Sh!t we've had to slog through, a quick end is rather merciful. unrealistic and rushed...but merciful. really? to me it feels like reaching climax when you're busy trying to last as long as you can. you don't even really notice it - and before you know it, it's over and you're left all sticky and disappointed. and you didn't even get to enjoy it - because you're brain was too busy elsewhere trying to hold it all together. i'm trying to hold it all together for chrolli - for the payoff - but i think that, that 7 mins right there today, may well have been it. merciful? not for me..
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Post by maya on Jun 2, 2010 0:19:44 GMT -5
what?? we don't get a glimpse of THAT night, that has left Olli sooo exausted?? mean people... I'm easy to please and this is the only thing that I didn't like about the episode ;D
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Post by ivaniv on Jun 2, 2010 2:16:56 GMT -5
Since you've started me off on a rant brownsugar, I might as well mention the pillar and the potted plant. I might have thought it was cute that a tired out Olli had to lean on the pillar for support, but what the heck when you've got Christian in the room to hang onto that pillar shouldn't be getting a look in. When the boys are all loved up, nothing should be getting in their way, I say! Maybe that pillar reminds him of Christian in some way And it was nearer. One thought. The way it ended on Monday, I was really expecting them to break up. Soaps do like to do some twisting and turning, but sometimes things do happen. So I was surprised and happy that they kissed and made up. I did not study every second of it. Unlike spoiler enabled people, who were expecting their version of reconciliation and were disappointed.
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Post by sio127 on Jun 2, 2010 5:50:06 GMT -5
I am still on a high from last nights episode......or all the tequila "some people" forced on me......T-Kat..naughty. Anyway Soapfan ......I have to respectfully disagree completely.....I loved the episode. Okay so they weren't going to solve every issue overnight, but it showed that they both realised how important their relationship is. Luckycharm & Brownsugar....right there with you on the kissing thing....so not right! I have gone through the morning smiling to myself every few minutes just thinking about last nights episode....... .....or could it be the thought of T-Kat anywhere near Sylvain with a razor in her hand? :::hands her the shaving foam:::
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Post by kish on Jun 2, 2010 6:49:54 GMT -5
I am with you Sio, still smiling and watching it for the 5th time. I loved the hug, it was so desperate, they nearly jumped into each other, not like the other huggs. And yeah, Olli made clear that Christian is his top priority (I almost kissed the TV) and happy Christian rubbed it right into Ropps smirky face!! ;D ;D ;D (EVen though I thought too Ropps "Granny voice" was very funny) Sadly we didn`t see any of that special night but their happy faces again make up for everything!
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Post by SF on Jun 2, 2010 7:56:21 GMT -5
Since you've started me off on a rant brownsugar, I might as well mention the pillar and the potted plant. I might have thought it was cute that a tired out Olli had to lean on the pillar for support, but what the heck when you've got Christian in the room to hang onto that pillar shouldn't be getting a look in. When the boys are all loved up, nothing should be getting in their way, I say! Maybe that pillar reminds him of Christian in some way And it was nearer. One thought. The way it ended on Monday, I was really expecting them to break up. Soaps do like to do some twisting and turning, but sometimes things do happen. So I was surprised and happy that they kissed and made up. I did not study every second of it. Unlike spoiler enabled people, who were expecting their version of reconciliation and were disappointed. i think if i was unspoiled it would have been even more shattering and disappointing mate. fact i knew they were gonna be reconciled meant i dealt with the short time span and was just waiting on the 'how'. which wasn't good enough. for me, anyway.
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Post by sylstyle on Jun 2, 2010 10:52:00 GMT -5
^as I just said on the vlog thread...... let the party start....nakedness is optional....well apart from JMM who is always naked..... never mind the man curled up in the corner, it's just Sylvain......he can't hold his liquer poor boy.....we're going to shave his eybrows off later! at least when I'm drunk I don't do this ;D ;D ;D : Still sore ? ;D ;D ;D ...... I mean your leg ? Sylvain
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Post by sio127 on Jun 3, 2010 12:51:26 GMT -5
hmm......what a lovely sunny day that was......I remember it well.........Nessie didn't fair so good..... I take it the party went well on Tue night....from what I can remember... ::::walks around looking at all the empty tequila bottles.....stepping over bodies and strangly enough....a blow up doll!::::::
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