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Post by amber80 on Jul 10, 2008 19:07:10 GMT -5
I really, really, really, really, really like the new spoilers! Roman finally shows some interest in other guys and Deniz gets jealous... And I love that they come back on an earlier story with Bulle returning and thus completing the circle.
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Post by amber80 on Jul 10, 2008 19:11:29 GMT -5
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Post by neand48 on Jul 10, 2008 20:23:25 GMT -5
But what have they done to Roman's hair? Yikes! Agree... He looks so different... maybe it's to show that he's entering a new stage of his life . The Norman he'll have a date with is absolutely gorgeous. It said in another thread that the guy is not an actor but a professional skater. But so is Diana (the actress)... and she seems to be doing a pretty good job. So we may get to see the Roman/Norman date after all. That's him here: What do you think? Worth a date?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2008 23:57:05 GMT -5
YAY OUR PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED! ((doing happy dance))
Regarding this storyline at least. So happy Roman will be getting a new man, and will be the hero...can't wait for august...
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Post by amber80 on Jul 14, 2008 3:19:00 GMT -5
You're right Neand! He is gorgeous...!
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Post by Bonobochick on Jul 17, 2008 12:39:53 GMT -5
Oh great. -.- New spoilers are out and it's all about the wedding of Juli and MAx and Oliver trying to avoid it. There's just a short note about DeRo which says, that Nina is able to convince Roman to take her to the wedding with him. (Still wonder, why he is there anyway ô.o) And it also says that Roman takes her along because he thinks it's a chance to get one over on Deniz. So I guess that Roman's date didn't work out. *sigh* I was hoping that we wouldn't see this again. If anything, Deniz should be trying to prove himself to Roman but they still need time apart. Whhhhhhy is Roman trying to get one over on Deniz at this point? I would have also thought the Bulle stuff would have at least made this cat-and-mouse game of "I know you want me" come to an end, especially since they both know they want each other. Oy.
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Post by maya on Jul 17, 2008 13:19:31 GMT -5
Sorry, English isn't my mother language, so I couldn't understand the exactly meaning of "get one over on Deniz", please someone could help me? Plus I tried to translate the spoilers with the aide of Google translator and I got "Roman sees this as his chance to avoid Deniz".
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Post by bugchicklv on Jul 18, 2008 1:59:32 GMT -5
I think in this case "Get one over on Deniz" means to "one up him" or to show that he's moved on and is rubbing it in. That he's so over Deniz that he could hang out with the girl who LOOKED to be giving him head a few eps back.
(Gah. Even that explanation has colloquialisms. )
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Post by sunnygeri on Jul 18, 2008 3:18:21 GMT -5
But since Roman was already hanging out with Nina when Deniz came back from MC and tried to talk to Roman, hanging out with Nina to prove he's over Deniz doesn't really make a lot of sense (going out with Norman makes more sense in that respect). So maybe it has something to do with the fact that DeRo's first (and last?) public outing was at Diana and Julian's wedding (although the wedding ended tragically, DeRo themselves were very happily in love at that time). Maybe Deniz hoped that they could go together again and by going with Nina, Roman wants to show him that he's not willing to forgive and forget and just go back to how things were? Also, I think that Roman might be getting a wedding complex soon because no wedding he attended has ever gone through (Jenny ran out on Dr. Axel Schwarz; Julian died during the ceremony; Oliver interferes this time and Juli's father has a heart attack) and Annette/Ingo called off the wedding Roman had organized for them.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jul 20, 2008 17:56:14 GMT -5
okay - gonna put some thoughts down here as B-chick has been prodding me in the chat thread about it and Lolaruns has been prodding both me & B-chick about discussing it in the chat thread I have been fairly quiet about AWZ this past week - mainly cos I'm not finding much to say about it. Yeah - the whole thing with Deniz, ripping his clothes off and diving in the swimming pool was amusing - but only mildly. I've not been able to get into the whole Vanessa is a bitch / immature argument - cos actually, I think neither - I took the whole storyline of it to be a bit lighthearted / tongue in cheek / not necessarily true to their core characters - cos at the moment I really don't think the scriptwriters have any idea where they are going with this!!!!! B-chick prodded me in the direction of some old clips of DeRo together and the one thing that immediately struck me was how tender and intimate their relationship was when Roman needed Deniz ( he had injured his leg / knee ??) and there was the possibility that he would never skate again. This got me to thinking that maybe it was that vulnerability that allowed Deniz to react to his feelings for Roman. Maybe, for the first time, Deniz got to explore real "grown-up" feelings - allowed him to be needed as a "grown-up" person. As of late everyone has been treating Deniz as if he's a stupid little boy - not hard to do since he HAS been acting like one - but then, teach a dog to beg and it will always beg In the latter stages of their relationship pre-DeVa - to my mind - Roman began to treat Deniz as less of an equal and more of a "protege" - not happy with that word but can't find another to fit at the momentI think maybe Roman, in his " I'm desperately in love" state of mind, expected too much of Deniz, and therefore became a bit blind to the real Deniz, and, instead of allowing Deniz to flourish, actually suffocated him - Roman has a leaning towards patronising arrogance. As for the spoilers - I'm a bit "Ho-Hum" about them - oh here we go - back to the same old standard " What can we do with a gay character - oh let's do a bit of gay-bashing - that always draws the sympathy card from the str8 audience" see comments below regarding str8 audienceLook guys - we've already been there with DeRo - do we really need to go back there!!!!! Given the way that the Deniz character has been written this past few months - especially the whole DeVa thing - which never really made sense - and to my mind still hasn't been fully explained in storytelling / characterisation terms - then surely gay-bashing Deniz now will only serve to push him further into the closet / "I'm not gay" attitude that (imo) he's been hiding behind for the past few months anyway!! It may result in Roman - "melting" for Deniz again but Hey-Ho, what change does that bring back to the dynamic of their relationship?? The spoiler about Roman meeting a "new man" doesn't appear to go anywhere beyond one episode - what the fuck is the point of that? ?? I'm a bit frustrated at the negative martyrdom dynamic that is being written regarding the DeRo relationship - it is debilitating, unhealthy and as a gay viewer, very depressing to watch. It is not surprising that the biggest number of vocal fans on this forum for this pair are str8 women. Unlike VL which has attracted a huge worldwide gay audience amongst it's str8 women, AWZ hasn't - and it's not because the guys aren't cute - okay, they're not as cute as C&O from VL but stillIt is hard for me as a gay viewer to become emotionally involved with a couple who, by all standards, depict everything that is unhealthy and disempowering about gay love and relationships. Anyway - my current thoughts on AWZ
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 20, 2008 18:21:04 GMT -5
I took the whole storyline of it to be a bit lighthearted / tongue in cheek / not necessarily true to their core characters - I agree. I think the whole Voodoo thing is going to be more of the same. Oh look, we are so whacky, ain't we funny? If that is the case though, how healthy is that really? Does Roman have to keep playing weak to keep Deniz interest (though that is pretty much what he did when he lied about his injury). Is Deniz fine with having a male boyfriend, but just as long as said boyfriend doesn't have too much personality? Could that be why he gravitates towards Va, because despite the wannabe tough exterior she displayed before, she can be quite "weak" underneathI think a lot of arguments can be brought about how DeRo might be rather realistic dynamic (both the slightly older guy being crazily in love with a younger guy who is barely old enough to have a relationship and the younger guy who still wants to experiment around and hasn't fully found himself yet). But just because it might be realistic story to tell doesn't always mean that it is the most appealing story. With soaps being supposed to be romance and entertainment and stuff that makes us happy. But that's really the big question. Do the writers MEAN for the story to come off that way Is that their attempt at realistic storytelling? Or do they think that they are telling a really romantic story and we are getting it all wrong? Or do they just write at random and there really is no particular logic to the story and none of it, good or bad is intended? That said, while it might be realistic that in real life being gaybashed might drive Deniz more into the closet, it doesn't seem to be what happens on AWZ. Besides, I could picture it getting Deniz on his macho side. Well, they don't want me to be gay? Well, then I will be especially. Just like he was the most in tune with Roman and in a relationship with him when there was still quite a bit of resistance by his father. Once the relationship was no longer threatened, that is when he began to act out by sleeping with Vanessa. And maybe Roman (naturally) throwing a fit about it just caused Deniz to be more determined to be with Vanessa, just like the previous resistance made him more determined to be with Roman anyway. Once the relationship with Va became more normal and accepted, he in turn started acting out again and begin stepping out on her. So maybe pressure just manages to inspire Deniz sullen, stubborn side and makes him determined to do whatever in question anyway.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jul 20, 2008 19:21:04 GMT -5
I agree. I think the whole Voodoo thing is going to be more of the same. Oh look, we are so whacky, ain't we funny? God help me - I'd forgotten that was still to come - excuse me while I stick needles into my eyes It's not healthy either which is why I commented on the martyrdom of this relationship. How does the DeRo story compare with the others on AWZ - I don't follow them so am unable to comment if this is typical of the show's writing and depiction of characters? Really? - didn't Roman find him crying his eyes out after having witnessed Roman being gay-bashed? Hmmmmm - thus is the strange frustrating enigma that is the characterisation of Deniz
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 21, 2008 1:13:23 GMT -5
I think my problem is that I personally feel that it is precisely that, not very typical. I mean, take Juli/Oliver the current main story. That is pure camp to me. And while Ingo and Anette are a very atypical soap couple, they are also a very sweet and happy and funny storyline. Jenny vs. Diana was also pure camp. I guess Ben/Vanessa was drawn somewhat realistically, as is the relationship of her parents. But imo, none of these really share the same vibe of the DeRo story. I mean, one can argue about the relative realism of AWZ in regards to other soaps, but really, I wouldn't call any of their other stories "gritty" And the whole point of AWZ is usually that they are firmly tongue in cheek for most of their storylines. My gut instinct would say that the gay bashing storyline and Deniz being revealed as gay felt like the first time they tried a storyline this serious. I always assumed that that was part shame that he hadn't stepped in and had instead run away and part him realizing "that could have been me". So I think his tears were more about him really coming face to face with his sexuality than him being scared of gay bashing. And the way the second gay bashing is resolved seems to be played for humor and camp rather than angst and fear (with the whole biker angle).
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Post by amber80 on Jul 24, 2008 18:08:53 GMT -5
Well, at least we get shirtless Oliver...
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Post by summerinthecity on Jul 25, 2008 17:13:10 GMT -5
Re: "Deniz falling for people who have big emotional problems at the time" - I used to think that we were probably quite lucky that Deniz had never witnessed Maximilian having a breakdown during a confrontation with his mother. In that case he just might have forgotten his intense dislike of Max and we would have had to face Deniz falling head over heels in love with Max instead of Vanessa (and this is only half joking ;D ). To stay fair, Deniz was obviously physically attracted to Roman before Roman had any serious problems.
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Post by amber80 on Aug 5, 2008 13:43:58 GMT -5
I know it's a soap and everything is possible in soap land, but I still don't know how they can even make it slightly believeable that Julian could still be alive. He died in front of almost everyone on AWZ. Not like he fell off a cliff and dissapeared or anything...
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Post by mmmexperimental on Aug 5, 2008 15:15:28 GMT -5
I know it's a soap and everything is possible in soap land, but I still don't know how they can even make it slightly believeable that Julian could still be alive. He died in front of almost everyone on AWZ. Not like he fell off a cliff and dissapeared or anything... I think somebody(maybe Jenny) is trying to gaslight Diana so that Jenny can star in the ice show. Or... Its Mike flipping out because Diana is falling for someone other than his best friend. Or ... it could be Tim! Or... ... ... I may be too clever for the AWZ writers? :}
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Post by Bonobochick on Aug 7, 2008 11:31:33 GMT -5
Still nothing for DeRo? I know Thursday is new spoiler day. This is getting weird.
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 7, 2008 11:42:41 GMT -5
Ooops, I forgot to check. I was busy anwering questions in the German for soaplovers thread. Nothing of DeRo only a few pics of Deniz with Ingo playing around on Ingo's motocycle. I'll add it in the spoiler thread.
And I have to say yet again: I just don't get AWZ sometimes.
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Post by denizislove on Aug 7, 2008 17:28:49 GMT -5
I am really hoping that seeing as Ingo is in Deniz's orbit that maybe we will be getting some DeRo scenes during that time as well.
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Post by Bonobochick on Aug 14, 2008 9:15:46 GMT -5
What the hell is going on with AWZ? The ice show stuff actually seems interesting though I still can't figure out why so many storylines center on Juli, who is mostly a snooze. Oliver in Africa being drugged? At least we see more Roman, which is always a plus, but I want some DeRo interaction. It seems like the two characters are being kept apart but yet not paired with anyone else.
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 14, 2008 9:29:54 GMT -5
I hope they play the whole stripclub storyline for laughs. If they actually seriously show Diana doing sexy dancing, I might have to gauge my eyes out.
Also? That is probably the butt ugliest and least revealing stripper outfit I have ever seen.
You know with every new preview I keep expecting something along the lines about witches, zombies and hell in a closet a la Passions. ;D
That said, I read some interesting theories about the big anniversary episodes and most notably a big telenovela from a rival channel being premiered in fall and that might be why AWZ has sort of sidelined DeRo and goes all out with big flashy storylines.
I'm not sure if I buy that 100% though because why would that be a reason not to give DeRo some scenes and a side storyline? I thought it was proven that they don't have a negative impact on the ratings? Surely it wouldn't be that hard to find the time to throw in some scenes.
The best spin I have on this is that maybe, hopefully the writers want to do DeRo getting back together as a major storyline and not just as a side story. And that is why they are not featuring them now, because then they would be just a side story but that the big DeRo story will come.
Like you said, none of them have been paired with anybody else and both actors are still with the show.
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Post by Bonobochick on Aug 21, 2008 11:05:14 GMT -5
Those photos of Diana as a stripper are hilarious. That is one of the worst, cheapest looking wigs I have ever seen. HAHAHAHA. I wonder if that storyline will be as cheesy as I Know Who Killed Me? Lars looks hot as usual. So Mike gets jealous seeing Deniz with Lena? Deniz is certainly hot and attracts a lot of people, but come on. Plus, Mike is a good enough friend of Roman's that he should know what the deal is. Anything to do with Celine/Max/Juli/Oliver is ZZZZZZZZZZZZzz to me.
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Post by amber80 on Aug 21, 2008 14:14:28 GMT -5
Lol! That wig doesn't even get close to looking real. ;D
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Post by Simone on Aug 22, 2008 6:25:10 GMT -5
That said, I read some interesting theories about the big anniversary episodes and most notably a big telenovela from a rival channel being premiered in fall and that might be why AWZ has sort of sidelined DeRo and goes all out with big flashy storylines. I'm not sure if I buy that 100% though because why would that be a reason not to give DeRo some scenes and a side storyline? I thought it was proven that they don't have a negative impact on the ratings? Surely it wouldn't be that hard to find the time to throw in some scenes. The best spin I have on this is that maybe, hopefully the writers want to do DeRo getting back together as a major storyline and not just as a side story. And that is why they are not featuring them now, because then they would be just a side story but that the big DeRo story will come. Like you said, none of them have been paired with anybody else and both actors are still with the show. It doesn't seem to me that Deniz and Roman are an important couple to AWZ so I'm not surprised that they aren't being featured in the anniversary episode. It is clear to be why Olli and Christian on VL and Luke and Noah on ATWT get the shaft, but I don't understand why the writers do not value Deniz and Roman. I get the impression that Deniz and Roman were popular with the wider AWZ audience and Igor became a bit of a teen idol. So why show them so sporadically and sideline them? In any case, Dennis Grobasch is such a good actor why not give him something to do outside of that pairing? He could have a secret from his past or have a long lost relative show up to make trouble. Strange.
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