bsgnut
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Post by bsgnut on Mar 27, 2014 14:45:08 GMT -5
Thanks, everyone for the info. Was really enjoying watching AWZ again and the Joscha-Kai has been surprisingly good. Hope the actors end up getting work elsewhere.
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Post by ronweasley on Apr 1, 2014 5:06:47 GMT -5
By the way, Kai returns to Joscha according to the newest spoilers. So they definitely leave town together.
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gidi
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Post by gidi on Apr 1, 2014 12:54:56 GMT -5
WILL THEY BRING NEW GAY STORY IN THE DANCE GROUP?
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Post by sonnenstern on Apr 8, 2014 14:38:38 GMT -5
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gidi
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Post by gidi on Apr 9, 2014 15:07:08 GMT -5
is may 20 is joscha story end?
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Post by ronweasley on Dec 8, 2014 6:14:39 GMT -5
It isn't about a gay character, but since many of you probably know Raquel (Joscha's "wife") you might want to know, that she's going to die in a bus crash in January.
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Post by justinate on Dec 8, 2014 11:28:44 GMT -5
That's a pity - I liked Raquel. I don't suppose her gay brother will show up for her funeral and manage to sway Deniz back to our team?
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Post by kevvoi on Dec 8, 2014 11:39:23 GMT -5
That's a pity - I liked Raquel. I don't suppose her gay brother will show up for her funeral and manage to sway Deniz back to our team? I like the way you think!
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Post by ronweasley on Dec 8, 2014 14:06:20 GMT -5
I'm actually not sure, what's going to happen with Deniz. Many cast members were released from their contracts, and at least four will die in January. Deniz is not mentioned as one of the characters to leave the show. But RTL released a press statement today, mentioning which character will definitely stay, and Deniz is not mentioned as one of them either. Currently, he has two girls fighting for his love (Toni and Larissa), and both will leave the show as well. Toni will die in the bus crash, and Larissa will leave town. So if Deniz remains on the show, they will definitely have to begin a completely new storyline with him and maybe stir the character to another "direction" again.
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Post by Zathras on Dec 8, 2014 20:58:59 GMT -5
Whoa. It sounds like AWZ has lots of changes coming up.
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Post by ronweasley on Dec 9, 2014 2:53:42 GMT -5
Yeah. Dancing won't be a part of the show anymore, so they released everybody from their contracts, who plays a dancer.
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angel
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Post by angel on Dec 9, 2014 14:02:12 GMT -5
Whoa. It sounds like AWZ has lots of changes coming up. They have rating problems. Not so bad like Verbotene Liebe/Forbidden Love, but Alles was zählt, also Unter Uns are not so good anymore like in the past, mostly because of the last years: horrible writing, bad storytelling and to much nonsense drama, without balancing with lighter story and not much enough likeable characters which a viewer would enjoy the ride of his/her life with them, like its supposed to be on a good soap. And so the production begins to doctoring, like before: a telenovellacouple or the dancetheme would increase the rating, it didnt work, so they doctoring again, instead to go on the real problems, off the lost viewers, its the same like it was with Verbotene Liebe, only that they are now on a point, where Verbotene Liebe for 2-3 years was.
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Post by ronweasley on Dec 9, 2014 15:20:47 GMT -5
Of course a telenovela-couple was always a part of AWZ, and the first one was particularly insufferable, in my opinion. This soap started as a telenovela, and was changed into a soap after a few months in. But a big telenovela-like couple remained a part of the soap, that's not a recent development, like it was with Verbotene Liebe. Except that only one of these couples (the second one a few years ago) actually got a happy ending. All the others either broke off, or one of the characters died. Basically, German soaps have the same rating problems, that most US soaps have. Sooner or later, you are at a point, where everything has already been told, and soap viewers get less and less surprised, because they recognize the pattern. Killing off so many characters (four major characters and more than 10 minor/background characters) in one episode has never been done on a German soap and is in my opinion quite daring. Of course it could end up even worse for them, but it's IMO the most risky thing any of the soaps did since the Nineties. It reminds me of the British soap, where they killed all the main characters in a boat explosion. I have never seen it, but even I have heard about it.
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Post by Zathras on Dec 9, 2014 22:19:03 GMT -5
Interesting. I guess it's not terribly surprising that AWZ is having ratings problems. It has to be really hard to write for a show that airs every day, almost year-round. Plus soaps tend to have a certain reputation that may cause better talent (writers, producers, actors) to stay away. Some teams do better than others. I liked Joscha's storyline (even if it seemed brief), so I think they are capable. I guess my main problem with AWZ right now is that they're (for all intents and purposes) totally ignoring Deniz's sexuality .
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angel
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Post by angel on Dec 10, 2014 4:53:09 GMT -5
Basically, German soaps have the same rating problems, that most US soaps have. Sooner or later, you are at a point, where everything has already been told, and soap viewers get less and less surprised, because they recognize the pattern. Killing off so many characters (four major characters and more than 10 minor/background characters) in one episode has never been done on a German soap and is in my opinion quite daring. Of course it could end up even worse for them, but it's IMO the most risky thing any of the soaps did since the Nineties. It reminds me of the British soap, where they killed all the main characters in a boat explosion. I have never seen it, but even I have heard about it. Problem is that it gives also Dailys in germany which has not so much rating problems, losses, so you must think they make something right and the other wrong. The Problem of the 3 UFA Soaps is that the production changed a lot for a few years like the storytelling for all 3 Soaps from character driven to plot driven, that sort of cheap writing was not what germans daily viewers were used to before and is not what make a lot of rating/fans in the longrun. Next Problems, were the other Dailys are better: It gives not even mostly soap logic anymore, instead totaly nonsense. Also the lack of continuity, when you watch a daily you count that the writers also know what they wrote 6 months ago, like you do, but they either dont care anymore or they had dementia. The last problem they doesnt cant write sympathic characters anymore, which the viewers want to care for, which is also a good reason to watch a show, they have unlearned how this goes. The production outsourced for profit the writting for all 4 dailys for a few years, since them the quality and later the ratings go done, to one building in Berlin, only one dialy is now writen in the same city in which it is produced, and this one had not so much trouble with the ratings. There are maybe reasons for the ratings when you look a bit more in detail.
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Post by ronweasley on Dec 10, 2014 5:55:47 GMT -5
Actually, they all lost viewers. Even Sturm der Liebe and Rote Rosen did. Sturm der Liebe has lost nearly half of its viewers during a timespan of two years. The ratings are still good, but this is because were they were absolutely excellent two years ago, when Sturm der Liebe was the program with the biggest markest share in Germany. These times are gone.
I watch the older episodes of the soaps (unregularly) on the channel "Passion", where they are broadcasted, so I have a direct comparison. And the only thing, that was better back then, were the storys (which is a big thing, of course). The actors were worse, the dialogue was much worse, and the only soap, that was even remotely character driven back then, was Verbotene Liebe. In fact, with GZSZ it is the reverse, it was completely plot driven in it's most successfull days and it's by far the most character driven soap today. They still lost many viewers. I'm not saying, that the soaps don't have their flaws. They have lots of them, but they always had. That's nothing new.
But all things come to an end on television. There was a time, when the weekly soaps were big, now only "In aller Freundschaft" is left on German TV. The hospitals series are gone, the talkshows are gone, the daily game shows are gone, the shows with the judges are gone, and from up to ten telenovelas, only Sturm der Liebe and Rote Rosen are left. The prime days of the reality shows are also over, and instead they are replaced by a mixture of these shows and a soap, like "Berlin, Tag und Nacht" for example. We will see, how long this boom continues. Sat 1's attempt, to establish one, completely failed, and it looks like RTL's hilariously bad "Berlin Models" will fail as well. Just as a comparison, they had half as many viewers yesterday, as Unter uns had, and given that they air back to back, that means something.
Most things wear old, at one time, and the four big german dailys from the nineties (I include Marienhof in this) ran much longer and were much longer successfull, than any of the above (except the reality soaps, where the verdict is still open). And three of them are still running at least, even VL still has a chance as a weekly.
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Post by kevvoi on Dec 10, 2014 17:53:13 GMT -5
It isn't about a gay character, but since many of you probably know Raquel (Joscha's "wife") you might want to know, that she's going to die in a bus crash in January. The fact that Raquel is being removed from the show throws me -- I thought she was quite a breath of fresh air when she first showed up on AWZ. So I find it somewhat bewildering that they are letting go of one of the more talented actors on the show. That said my impressions of her - may be strongly colored by how well she and Joscha played off one of another in terms of acting.
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Post by ronweasley on Apr 8, 2015 3:25:25 GMT -5
I'll post it here as well. Jo Weil (Olli from Verbotene Liebe) will appear on Alles was Zählt. This time, he plays a straight character as Vanessa Steinkamp's new boyfried.
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Post by Zathras on Apr 8, 2015 19:42:40 GMT -5
Interesting. Any idea when he'll start appearing on screen?
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Pedris2
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Post by Pedris2 on Apr 9, 2015 2:55:21 GMT -5
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Post by jijiang1987 on Jun 24, 2015 20:47:30 GMT -5
I wonder that will Jo's charactor Nick become a regular one?and how long will he stay in the soap?
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