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Post by Gabi on May 27, 2008 12:57:04 GMT -5
Nothing really happened, all just a setup stuff Spoiler: Deniz didn't feel like spending time with Vanessa and rather went to a party where he was invited by Roman. I think R said she could come too. But D told her he had to do an interview and left for a pub (where Mika's Big Girl / You Are Beautiful was subtly playing in the background) He asked Roman not to tell anything to Vanessa, but some girl at the table saw him (I do not recognise the face, some blond girl) and I guess she'll make troubles tomorrow... Reply to spoiler: Yes, Roman said Vanessa could come, too. No "Roman uses Deniz' vanity to his advantage to drive a wedge into the relationship between Deniz and Vanessa" as the official spoilers say, it's just not true. (But it's not impossible that Roman knew Deniz would not ask Vanessa). The girl at the table was Nina. *changed recap color from spoiler beige to non-spoiler black since same day recaps of shows are not spoilers.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 27, 2008 13:02:07 GMT -5
Nothing really happened, all just a setup stuff Spoiler: Deniz didn't feel like spending time with Vanessa and rather went to a party where he was invited by Roman. I think R said she could come too. But D told her he had to do an interview and left for a pub (where Mika's Big Girl / You Are Beautiful was subtly playing in the background) He asked Roman not to tell anything to Vanessa, but some girl at the table saw him (I do not recognise the face, some blond girl) and I guess she'll make troubles tomorrow... Reply to spoiler: Yes, Roman said Vanessa could come, too. No "Roman uses Deniz' vanity to his advantage to drive a wedge into the relationship between Deniz and Vanessa" as the official spoilers say, it's just not true. (But it's not impossible that Roman knew Deniz would not ask Vanessa). The girl at the table was Nina. Am I the only one wondering who writes the spoilers cause they've seemed exaggerated for a while now. Hmmm. Aaah, should we start the death knells for DeVa?  |
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Post by ivaniv on May 27, 2008 13:03:01 GMT -5
I rewatched the beginning, I was washing dishes during that  I don't think Roman was expecting Deniz would not tell Vanessa, he just got the text about the party and asked him if he/they would come too. ETA: But Deniz was decided right then not to ask Vanessa and go alone, because when Roman ask him to ask Vanessa he told him he would do so later... |
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Post by cheerios on May 27, 2008 13:33:37 GMT -5
I think Vanessa is pretty either way. The problem is she's in an unhealthy relationship with Deniz and her family life is not on good terms. So on the inside she feels horrible, which is going to transfer to how she feels about her outside. It's amazing what confidants and a strong attitude can do for someone. I just hope she wakes up to how bad Deniz is for her right now and breaks it off.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 27, 2008 14:45:34 GMT -5
I think Vanessa is pretty either way. The problem is she's in an unhealthy relationship with Deniz and her family life is not on good terms. So on the inside she feels horrible, which is going to transfer to how she feels about her outside. It's amazing what confidants and a strong attitude can do for someone. I just hope she wakes up to how bad Deniz is for her right now and breaks it off. I have wondered when Vanessa is going to realize that not only has she not really been happy with Deniz but that lately it has really done a number on her self-esteem. |
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Post by amber80 on May 27, 2008 17:57:20 GMT -5
Agreeing with you Bonobochick! Vanessa as a character I always liked a lot; she's different, full of confidence and funny. But ever since she became the half of DeVa she changed a lot. And not in a good way imo. I liked seeing her in today's episode after her talk with Juli; she realised that she didn't have to change. And I loved her 'bzzzzzzzzzzzz-ing' at the fangirls (  ). That Vanessa I enjoy watching. Please let DeVa be over soon so we can have the old Vanessa back!! And Deniz really is bad boyfriend material! Keeping secrets from your girlfriend and telling lies. *Shakes head in dissaproval* And it was all Deniz' doing; Roman wasn't (really) manipulating him; he didn't excluded Vanessa in the invitation. But I do thinks he enjoys the fact that Deniz is lying to Vanessa and coming to a party with him instead of playing games with Vanessa; he looked more than happy to keep the secret; another way to drive a wedge between DeVa next to making snarky comments to Deniz about his still apparent attraction to Roman. Looking forward to tomorrow's epi! PS. Ivan, good to see you jumped on board of the AWZ-train... ;D |
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Post by neand48 on May 27, 2008 21:31:31 GMT -5
I think she's secretly trying to distract people from the scary Voldemort birthday necklace.  Do you think it worked? What are they trying to do to the poor girl? I really like Vanessa. Deniz is a mixed up kid. Btw, how old is he supposed to be? 17? 18? So he'd be a teenager... well that's it then... hormones are playing havoc with his brain. I have sudden flashbacks...OK, I'm gonna give the kid a break... for now... But what's Roman excuse? Sorry folks, but he's starting to get on my nerves. I'd gladly volunteer to kick his butt if it weren't for the fact that I'd hate to hurt him. |
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Post by Bonobochick on May 27, 2008 21:49:59 GMT -5
Deniz is such a tooooooooooooooooooooooooooool. From the smug look Deniz gave Roman before he went over to talk to the fangirls to preening in front of the fangirls while Vanessa watched him do his catwalk for them.  Oy vey! Oliver is hot and I don't blame Juli for wanting to use his body as a jungle gym but that kiss in front of Vanessa was rather rude. Find a broom cupboard, folks. Or the locker room that everyone has had sex in but DeVa. Game night? Now I am not knocking game nights and I've been to more than a few and enjoyed them all, but not the way to put the spark back in the relationship. Vanessa would have done better to buy some lingerie and try to bump uglies with Deniz than arouse him with a board game. Hmmmm. This show is weird in that DeRo had a horrific break-up yet Deniz and Roman still have one another's phone numbers in their respective cells. And hold up... did Roman introduce Deniz to people at the party as his good friend?  And I see Deniz used the voice he used when he and Roman were together when he told Roman that he lied to Vanessa about where he was. Roman looked like he almost wanted to say "Oh, Deniz, you big lunkhead" after Deniz spilled the truth. Then Roman looked wickedly amused but I think it was still more where he was laughing at Deniz. At this point, I can't say that Roman is even really manipulating Deniz. He's certainly tempting him by appealing to his vanity but he's giving Deniz the option of hanging himself rather than him actually doing anything. Deniz is doing a splendid job of fucking up all on his own.  I can't wait for Wednesday! ;D |
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Post by Gabi on May 28, 2008 7:14:29 GMT -5
Some really good screencaps here:
http://f*ghags.boardonly.com/roman-und-deniz-aus-alles-was-zahlt-f2/bilder-thread-t48-75.htm
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Post by blueocean80 on May 28, 2008 7:26:25 GMT -5
I've just read the latest spoilers and I'm shocked. I don't know what to say about that.  Deniz is in denial and a tool, just like Bonobochick said. Will come back later when my brain comes back online. |
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Post by amber80 on May 28, 2008 8:24:13 GMT -5
Some really good screencaps here: http://f*ghags.boardonly.com/roman-und-deniz-aus-alles-was-zahlt-f2/bilder-thread-t48-75.htm Thanks for the link!  That moment between Deniz and Roman just before he goes to talk to the models: still don't know what to think of that! Talking about sending off signals... |
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Post by Bonobochick on May 28, 2008 8:29:04 GMT -5
Some really good screencaps here: http://f*ghags.boardonly.com/roman-und-deniz-aus-alles-was-zahlt-f2/bilder-thread-t48-75.htm Thanks for the link! That moment between Deniz and Roman just before he goes to talk to the models: still don't know what to think of that! Talking about sending off signals... I found the look on Deniz's face smug yet I can see the signal as well. If they'd started playing Rod Stewart's "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" as he walked, it would have fit the moment. |
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Post by blueocean80 on May 28, 2008 10:36:09 GMT -5
Some really good screencaps here: http://f*ghags.boardonly.com/roman-und-deniz-aus-alles-was-zahlt-f2/bilder-thread-t48-75.htm Thanks for the link! That moment between Deniz and Roman just before he goes to talk to the models: still don't know what to think of that! Talking about sending off signals... Exactly! I'm confused too. De looked smug, definately pleased with himself and a bit naughty if you ask me. |
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Post by j9l45 on May 28, 2008 10:41:05 GMT -5
Aaarrgh. Such a frustrating episode. By showing us what used to be right with the characters it just highlighted how wrong they are now. Loved seeing the old confident spunky Vanessa. She even got to laugh during the board game. Then came the phone call and back to new paranoid angry miserable Vanessa. I agree that the makeover showed just how badly this whole situation has messed with her brain. Thank God for Juli.
Same with DeRo. When Roman pulled Deniz down to sit with him their body language absolutely screamed "we're a couple." It reminded me of the "dancing" episode. It just shows how much better it used to be before they turned Deniz into a dishonest egotistical jerk.
I do like how they are finally admitting this relationship isn't working. I just wish it was more even. Not just Deniz's uncomfortable hugs, but something on the part of Vanessa other than just jealousy.
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Post by amber80 on May 28, 2008 10:48:15 GMT -5
Such a frustrating episode. By showing us what used to be right with the characters it just highlighted how wrong they are now. Right!  |
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Post by Bonobochick on May 28, 2008 10:57:18 GMT -5
Aaarrgh. Such a frustrating episode. By showing us what used to be right with the characters it just highlighted how wrong they are now. Loved seeing the old confident spunky Vanessa. She even got to laugh during the board game. Then came the phone call and back to new paranoid angry miserable Vanessa. I agree that the makeover showed just how badly this whole situation has messed with her brain. Thank God for Juli. Same with DeRo. When Roman pulled Deniz down to sit with him their body language absolutely screamed "we're a couple." It reminded me of the "dancing" episode. It just shows how much better it used to be before they turned Deniz into a dishonest egotistical jerk. I do like how they are finally admitting this relationship isn't working. I just wish it was more even. Not just Deniz's uncomfortable hugs, but something on the part of Vanessa other than just jealousy. Preach it! It's not working between DeVa and never really has and it isn't just because Deniz is gay... it's because Deniz is a tool and Deniz confused his feelings for Vanessa as being in love with her. This relationship was doomed to fail but gah it was horrible to watch in the mean time. This relationship has brought out the worst in Deniz and Vanessa. And this relationship has not only turned Deniz into a tool, but Vanessa is so sour looking all the time. Like the board game scene was cool because Deniz & Vanessa once again showed how well they work as friends. As lovers? No fucking way. I agree about the couch moment screaming COUPLE. Not just that scene but also at the end when Deniz wanted to talk to Roman about lying to Vanessa about where he was. The tone of voice, the look... it screamed "not even remotely over" between DeRo.  I am still wary of the spoilers but the language is so misleading that I am not sure what to think anymore. I have to agree with GayTime's blog that it seems like TIIC have no clue about what they're going - like a firm outline of the storyline seems missing - but I think it is a step in the right direction. Finally. |
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Post by ivaniv on May 28, 2008 11:42:58 GMT -5
But if Vanessa & Deniz is not working would it better with Roman? It looks like Deniz' problem is he always wants something else than he has. I was told that Vanessa slept with him while he was still with Roman (and that she knew about it). I guess something like that may happen to her too. I am not sure if I will feel sorry for her and if it is with Roman if that will be more than Roman getting back at him... PS: I do not read any spoilers so maybe I am completely off ;D |
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Post by lolaruns on May 28, 2008 11:47:14 GMT -5
I'm just really annoyed with how Deniz always has to lie about the most minor things. Not about the interview/party thing. That I get. He wants to go, but he thinks Vanessa will say no or she'll scare of the groupies or whatever. Not nice, but a sound reason.
But why lie to her about how he feels about the makeover? It's stupid. If he is worried that she'll cost him his job with her jealousy and he really wants to keep his job then he needs to speak up.
At least with Roman I could think, okay, it's his first major relationship and Roman is older and more experienced and therefore a bit scary, maybe it makes sense that he lies. But now the same again? I'm starting to think that Deniz intentionally seeks out people just so he can screw them over.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 28, 2008 12:18:53 GMT -5
But if Vanessa & Deniz is not working would it better with Roman? It looks like Deniz' problem is he always wants something else than he has. I was told that Vanessa slept with him while he was still with Roman (and that she knew about it). I guess something like that may happen to her too. I am not sure if I will feel sorry for her and if it is with Roman if that will be more than Roman getting back at him... PS: I do not read any spoilers so maybe I am completely off ;D She did indeed sleep with Deniz when he was still with Roman which is why I can't really feel sorry for her.  Roman found out about the DeVa affair when he caught them making out in the Steinkamp pool after hours when Deniz accidentally sent him a text message meant for Vanessa. That was a well acted scene. Anyhoo, I am not sure if it would be better for Roman in the sense of healthyness but I think Roman has a better clue about Deniz and what really makes him tick than Vanessa does. And truthfully, Deniz is no good for anyone to be in a relationship with until he grows out of this narcissistic phase that he is currently in. I eventually want DeRo back together but Deniz has a lot of growing up to do. I wouldn't mind a diversion of a new man coming to town and Roman hooking up with him while Deniz matures. Once Deniz is more emotionally stable, I would like to then see him fight for Roman's affections. After all , I am  |
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Post by amber80 on May 28, 2008 12:55:16 GMT -5
Deniz fighting for Roman sounds perfect to me!   |
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Post by blueocean80 on May 28, 2008 13:07:28 GMT -5
Lola, Bonobochick, j9l45, I completely agree with you.
Deniz is a tool. Seriously. I get the feeling he's ashamed of being with Vanessa, of how she looks like and how jealous she is (ok, the latter? He knows she has a reason to be jealous so I really don't get why he gets so frustrated with her). Looks like he'd like to change her, and let's face it, if one wants to change his significant other, then he really isn't in love with her. He should think about their relationship and finally get it's not working.
At this point, I'd like to see a new love interest for Roman. Deniz needs to grow the hell up and imho, he's not ready for a serious relationship.
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Post by ivaniv on May 28, 2008 13:11:21 GMT -5
I'd like to see Roman teaching him a lesson and then Deniz trying to win him back... Still haven't got a chance to see today's ep, VL clips keep me busy |
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Post by Bonobochick on May 28, 2008 13:30:05 GMT -5
I'd like to see Roman teaching him a lesson and then Deniz trying to win him back... Still haven't got a chance to see today's ep, VL clips keep me busy They are lovely clips for VL. I know eventually one of the people lucky enough to have already seen today's AWZ ep will put the rest of us out of our inquisitive misery with a recap. |
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Post by blueocean80 on May 28, 2008 13:34:04 GMT -5
I'd like to see Roman teaching him a lesson and then Deniz trying to win him back.. YES! Yes! yesyesyes! |
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Post by Bonobochick on May 28, 2008 13:35:44 GMT -5
I'd like to see Roman teaching him a lesson and then Deniz trying to win him back.. YES! Yes! yesyesyes! I could actually hear you screaming that. Hee.  But I think that would would be awesome as well cause it's obvious Deniz needs to be humbled. |
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And I see Deniz used the voice he used when he and Roman were together when he told Roman that he lied to Vanessa about where he was. Roman looked like he almost wanted to say "Oh, Deniz, you big lunkhead" after Deniz spilled the truth. Then Roman looked wickedly amused but I think it was still more where he was laughing at Deniz. 
That moment between Deniz and Roman just before he goes to talk to the models: still don't know what to think of that! Talking about sending off signals... 
Roman found out about the DeVa affair when he caught them making out in the Steinkamp pool after hours when Deniz accidentally sent him a text message meant for Vanessa. That was a well acted scene.