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Post by syonm on May 27, 2010 9:44:23 GMT -5
21 April 2010: Noa will no longer be determined as liar.
Note: I added some parts without Sytze & Karif, but it's a sort of background information about what's happening with Esmee and what's happening in the storyline about the rape. I thought it could be necessary to know what's going on with the other people.
Spoiler:Esmee is sick. In one of the following clips she's in the hospital because she has preeclampsia. Sytze will participate in the denouement of the storyline about the rape in one of the last clips. Karif & Sytze took part in this storyline before.
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Post by HQ75 on May 27, 2010 11:24:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the added clips. I really like Esmee and it's great to know what's happening with her.
This is all just proof that Noa is an immature brat. Why is she even talking to other people about what she saw? Why is it anyone's business what Sytze may or may not be doing with Karif. Did she even listen to what he said to her at QBF?
I'm not proud of Sytze for calling Noa a liar but I do not understand why in the world she would tell Kim and Yousef that she saw Karif and Sytze kissing after Sytze asked her not to say that. She needs to leave Sytze alone and mind her own business!
Noa is out of control and it's making her act insane which is making Sytze act insane and it's all going to blow up in his and Karif's face.
What does Noa hope to achieve? IF she can prove that Sytze is gay, then what?
I'm also wondering if the concept of "outing" isn't something that she understands? She literally seems to not get why Karif would want to keep his sexual orientation private. I'm assuming it's because she's young but still, there is homophobia in the world and it's not like she wouldn't know this or that she wouldn't know that some religions are intolerant of homosexuality.
Yousef's entire lifestyle is haram so he is in no place to judge anyone else. He drinks, he smokes pot, he has sex out of wedlock, he works in a nightclub and he's dating a 16 year old girl who has a child with someone else. I don't think there is anything wrong with Yousef's lifestyle but for him to sit back and pick ONE sin out of the many to hate on gays is hypocrisy at its worse.
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Post by syonm on May 27, 2010 12:46:04 GMT -5
Noa don't want to be called a lier. Maybe revenge? The things she said are wrong.
Yousef's entire lifestyle is indeed haram. He's not only dating a 16 year old girl who has a child with someone else. They are also living together in the house of Kim's guardian. Yousef's parents don't know anything about the relationship (Kim is a nonbeliever and she's Dutch). Kim is pregnant from her stepfather, she was the temptress, not the stepfather.
Yousef was the helper of Junior during the loverboy-storyline with Esmee.
He had kidnapped Tommie.
Since he has a relationship with Kim, and is the 'father' of Tommie, he's happy and not criminal anymore.
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Post by HQ75 on May 27, 2010 17:17:25 GMT -5
Noa needs a time out. I know she is hurt but she is making everything worse.
Karif shouldn't be closeted but it is HIS choice and Sytze cares for him and wants to be with him.
Sytze tried twice to break up with Noa gently and she just stomped all over with Kim and Yousef in tow.
It's like the three of them wanted to force Sytze to like Noa.
I know some couples love when their best friends date each other.
But that was just too much. LOL.
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Post by Zathras on May 27, 2010 19:56:01 GMT -5
I had hoped that Noa would have taken something away from what Sytze told her the day before. Apparently she wasn't listening, or she doesn't care. In either case, as with so many cases like this, it's not her place to out someone else. She has no idea the consequences, and it comes across as entirely self-serving.
I did think it was odd how Yousef kept trying to force Sytze and Noa together. His attitude is incredibly overbearing, to the point of making me want to say "go away". He's unwittingly making the situation worse.
With that said, I do wish Sytze wouldn't keep lying like that to everyone. It's one thing to hide who you are in a nondescript fashion, but it's quite another to verbally attack and denigrate someone else (calling Noa a liar, for example).
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Post by syonm on May 28, 2010 8:31:21 GMT -5
I agree: I think she has no idea about the consequences and problems Sytze and Karif have.
22 April 2010: Noa sneaks Sytze and Karif, with major consequences.
As of June 8 a spin-off book is available in Dutch stores... with Sytze: "Althrough Sytze met the love of his life he seems not cut out the happiness". It is not known if another channel will broadcast ONM in the futur.
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Post by HQ75 on May 28, 2010 9:47:39 GMT -5
Poor Sytze. The situation is turning him into something he's not and it's not fair. I hate the closet and this is why. It makes everyone effected by it turn into a lying crazy person.
He's not ashamed of being gay and he's not ashamed of his feelings for Karif and he shouldn't have to feel like he's doing something wrong.
Sytze shouldn't even have to deal with crazy stalker Noa and Karif just should not be involved with Sytze if he wants to stay closeted. You can't have it both ways. It's not about "announcing it to the world" it's about all the little lies everyone has to tell in their daily lives that ruins everything.
Sytze should never have gotten involved with Noa (who just proves with each new episode how immature and insane she is). Karif should never have gotten involved with Sytze if he wasn't prepared for people to find out.
This is a HUGE mess. I can't stand seeing Sytze be so angry and so devastated. He's in love for the first time, he should just be happy and glowing and being snuggly and sexy with Karif. Not hiding in parked cars and trying to dodge crazy stalker teenaged girls and lying to his best friend about being a virgin.
It is difficult to live in a modern secular world when your traditional religious beliefs are so important to you but Karif is already violating what he believes to be rules about sexuality just by being with Sytze and then he's making it worse by living a lie.
If you ask me, the greater sin is the lying and I hope Karif comes to realize that. Otherwise, he and Sytze can't be together. Not only is it not in Sytze's nature to lie all the time, he's horrible at it and it makes him feel bad about himself.
Sigh....
But it's a soap opera so there's got to be drama. Poor Sytze. I just love him and wish he had someone other than Esmee to talk to about what he's going through. This can't go on like this. It's an impossible situation.
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Post by syonm on May 28, 2010 16:24:38 GMT -5
A problem: the audio of the clip of May 4th is muted by Google. But it's a really important clip and you can't miss the music in this part. It's muted because of the songs Hold on by Michael Buble and/or Time by Tom Waits. What do I have to do now ?
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Post by xsharon90x on May 28, 2010 16:34:11 GMT -5
Aii! Don't know what you have to do.. those songs fits perfectly in those scenes, and it's definitly a part which can't be missed ... Hmm..
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Post by HQ75 on May 28, 2010 16:39:05 GMT -5
Either Nana who does Chrolli or one of the girls from EKP can show you how to replace the audio. Other than that, I don't know. You could try doing the subs in Dailymotion. But I think they have the same rules about copyrighted music. This is terrible. Thanks for trying. Wish I could help. I have no skills in this area. We appreciate all your work. Just so you know.
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Post by xsharon90x on May 28, 2010 17:05:10 GMT -5
syonm already knows how to replace songs, he had to do it before, because the video would be blocked for Germany...
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Post by Zathras on May 28, 2010 18:04:07 GMT -5
Wow, I didn't expect Sytze to go off the deep end like that. Noa's wrong and immature for doing what she did, but she didn't deserve what Sytze did to her. And now Sytze realizes the price of lying, deception, and throwing insults around like he's been doing. Part of me hopes that he'll tell Karif that either they have to be open, or it can't continue. You're right, HQ75, it's not in his nature and it's starting to tear him up.
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Post by HQ75 on May 28, 2010 21:09:50 GMT -5
Honestly I didn't think what Noa has said to Sytze is any better. She has been flinging homophobic insults around like they are no big deal. She's old enough to know how disgusting those words are and she knows how much they have hurt people.
Yes Sytze is a big strong guy and he shouldn't ever put his hands on someone unless it is self defense.
But what Noa did with that camera was beyond lower and lower. It was an invasion of both Sytze and Karif's personal business and it was cruel and evil.
How would she have felt if someone had taken pictures of her being intimate with someone and then did what? Show the to her friends?
Gay or not, male or not, Sytze and Karif didn't deserve that and if Noa was an adult man instead of a teen-aged girl screaming homophobic taunts around and doing the things she's been doing, people would see how awful that behavior is.
Just because it comes in a tiny blond package doesn't make it any less destructive and reprehensible.
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Post by syonm on May 29, 2010 10:04:16 GMT -5
About the video of May 24th: I'll upload it again in several parts. I'll use another comparable soundtrack in the part(s) with the song(s) that give problems.
27 April 2010: Sytze met a group of gay haters. He is seriously wounded taken to the AZB. What is Noa's part in this?
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Post by HQ75 on May 29, 2010 12:42:51 GMT -5
Thank you so much Syonm and xsharon90x You're both amazing. We so appreciate you bringing the translations and subs! SMOOCHES! for working so hard to share this with us. Poor Styze. I can't stand seeing his beautiful sweet face to battered and bruised. It's so touching to see how much Karif and Sytze care for each other. Poor Karif. He looks so conflicted to leave Sytze there. He looks like he just wants to crawl in the bed with Sytze and never leave. He's so used to being in control of things with his job and his life and this situation is so out of control. Even in so much pain, Sytze is worried for Karif's privacy. That's how falling in love should be. Totally unabashed and full on. I love how open Sytze is to being with Karif and accepting whatever comes with it. Most of us are too guarded or jaded to be able to love someone that way. I hope now Noa get's that this is SERIOUS and she can't just go around screaming homo and stuff like it's no big deal. I know she was hurt, but enough is enough. Karif and Sytze must figure things out between them, together, on their own, in their own time. She must respect that even if she doesn't understand their decisions. I wish Karif would come out but it's a difficult decision for someone in his circumstances. I just hope now that he realizes what Styze is willing to risk for him that he will try to be brave and take the risk of coming out and dealing with the consequences even if they can be devastating. Live free or die trying.
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Post by Zathras on May 29, 2010 16:16:29 GMT -5
Aww, man . I'm glad Sytze told Noa the truth. Like you, HQ75, I hope she finally understands the gravity of the situation. I thought that a couple clips prior, but maybe she had to see the consequences for herself to really get it. I would have preferred Sytze didn't have to have the crap beaten out of him to do it, but that's the way it goes sometimes . It is sweet how much Sytze is thinking of Karif, and not so much himself, even when he's in pain. He's willing to let the assholes go free in a vain effort to protect Karif. Is this the first time that Karif has come face-to-face with the consequences of his trying to be with Sytze in secret? I wonder if he's just now realizing how much Sytze is willing to sacrifice for him. Thanks syonm and sharon90!
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Post by xsharon90x on May 29, 2010 16:32:01 GMT -5
You're welcome At the end of the episode it looks like Sytze is more thinking about the consequences for Karif, then he does himself.. at that point Karif only thinks about what happened to Sytze
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Post by xsharon90x on May 29, 2010 17:40:27 GMT -5
I've tried several time this evening to watch and translate the next 3 and last episodes, but it doesn't work properly. I hope to translate as soon as possible, but forgive me for being so late with them..
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Post by syonm on May 30, 2010 5:43:57 GMT -5
28 April 2010: Sytze confession the truth to Karif about the 'accident' and asks if he can get rid of security monitoring. Ill Esmee go against the wishes of her father. Yousef is furious to Karif.
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Post by HQ75 on May 30, 2010 6:06:35 GMT -5
Poor Sytze, you can tell he just wants everyone to go so he and Karif can be alone. Ugh this is such a mess. Broken ribs are the worst. The pain is sooo intense. It's sharp but then it's also like having someone sitting on your chest 24/7. Awful. This is so out of control. But Karif, the way he looks at Sytze, so protective, it's so sweet. And on a shallow note, Karif is gorgeous in red. Yousef is like a Chihuahua. He's so GRRRR, HOP, HOP, HOP! ;D:) Poor Esmee. She's being so brave. It's an amazing thing she's doing. I can't imagine it. It's a shame they are both in the hospital and neither one of them can see the other.
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Post by xsharon90x on May 30, 2010 6:38:42 GMT -5
I feel very sorry for Sytze, Noa went to far, but I'm glad she showed a little of a heart when she tried to stop those guys. I don't think it was her intention to let Sytze gay bashed, but it happened, and I'm glad she tried to stop them. Youssef shows a real friend by the will to find out who hit his best friend. And I think it's really great what Esmee is doing.. In the beginning I would have never thought that she would do something like this, but she did and that's great
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Post by syonm on May 30, 2010 7:00:27 GMT -5
I'm editing the video of April 30th again because the audio wasn't OK. It was like everyone had used helium. They were talking like Chip 'n Dale. About the problems of the clip of May 4th. I decided to cut the video in three parts. I replaced the song "Hold On" from Michael Buble to "Love You Forever" from Ryan Huston. It's the best solution I have. I think the song "Love You Forever" is a good alternative (otherwise you can mute your sound and play the song 'Hold on' on your computer while watching the clip). I've tried several time this evening to watch and translate the next 3 and last episodes, but it doesn't work properly. I hope to translate as soon as possible, but forgive me for being so late with them.. I know what your mean. I had this problem several times before. A day later I tried again to watch, and then, it worked.
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Post by xsharon90x on May 30, 2010 7:36:29 GMT -5
Glad you found a solution for the audio problem And I'll try to translate soon again. I thought it was mostly because of my computer, but it isn't.
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Post by daeva on May 30, 2010 8:04:46 GMT -5
HQ75
I agree with you all, but especially with: And on a shallow note, Karif is gorgeous in red. ;D I thought it since I first saw him with that shirt ... I would like to see what Sytze would do whit it in a fit of passion.... ....i think i´m a little too wild today... By the way, xsharon90x, syonm, thanks again for your efforts
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Post by xsharon90x on May 30, 2010 8:20:55 GMT -5
About the problems of the clip of May 4th. I decided to cut the video in three parts. I replaced the song "Hold On" from Michael Buble to "Love You Forever" from Ryan Huston. It's the best solution I have. I think the song "Love You Forever" is a good alternative (otherwise you can mute your sound and play the song 'Hold on' on your computer while watching the clip). I just listened to the song, and it also fits to the scenes in my opinion. I like the lyrics for this pair, especially: If ever you're too sick to walk I'd carry you, I'd take care of you If ever you feel scared and alone, I'd hold you I'd just hold you When the lights go out, in the universe I'll be next to you, I'll be next to you And I'll surrender myself ... to you
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