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Post by bolle on Feb 7, 2010 14:05:20 GMT -5
Please, Chris is a man not a child! If Olli ask if it ok or not he must only say, no, it´s not ok please come with me. What´s in this situation the problem for Chris? I never understood this. This is what I mean. It seems that Olli always have to feel what Christian really means. They were together for a few weeks in this time. It would be so much easier if Christian would learn to talk and says what he wants. Olli must feel what Chris means, Chris think that Olli knows what he means. That´s the problem between both. Chris must learn to talk. That´s the simply solution
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Post by ivaniv on Feb 7, 2010 14:08:22 GMT -5
For me it's about empathy. I would not be able to have fun with somebody else. I would have to think about him at home and that he probably can't sleep. I don't think this is about mind reading.
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Post by Lightness on Feb 7, 2010 14:11:02 GMT -5
For me it's about empathy. I would not be able to have fun with somebody else. I would have to think about him at home and that he probably can't sleep. I don't think this is about mind reading. Who says, Olli did not exactly do that? I don't get, why Olli suddenly didn't even think about Christian??? The clubbing wasn't shown...
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Post by ivaniv on Feb 7, 2010 14:14:48 GMT -5
Who says, Olli did not exactly do that? I don't get, why Olli suddenly didn't even think about Christian??? The clubbing wasn't shown... What I meant is I would not go at all. If they wanted to make the same point, they could have shown Olli leaving sooner, they did not.
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Post by Lightness on Feb 7, 2010 14:18:49 GMT -5
What I meant is I would not go at all. If they wanted to make the same point, they could have shown Olli leaving sooner, they did not. That's just interpretation. I can image that Olli was thinking a lot of Christian while he was on the party. But I can't PROVE it, because the clubbing wasn't on TV. But in the end, we just have different opinions about how important this clubbing is. I don't see such a inexcusable mistake in that.
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Post by bolle on Feb 7, 2010 14:24:29 GMT -5
Why so many people think Olli must feel what is with Chris, what he think, what he feels? And why Chris must not feel what Olli wants, feels, think in the same way?
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Post by joanna on Feb 7, 2010 14:32:44 GMT -5
*Cue Robert-like 'mwhahahaaaa' smirk from VL HQ*
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Post by Zathras on Feb 7, 2010 15:23:22 GMT -5
Okay, let's follow this train of thought for just a bit longer. Christian made a special trip to find Olli at Schneider's the night before the fight. He brought movies, even. I remember when I watched that scene for the first time, it was obvious to me that he wanted Olli to stay around for moral support that night. He didn't tell Olli, "go clubbing," he said, "you probably want to go clubbing for a while." That, unfortunately, is Christian's passive-aggressive approach. And Olli seemed largely oblivious to what Christian wanted. To me, it was just the way Christian carried himself during that conversation.
That pattern of behavior was understandable when they had only been together for a few weeks. But after 2 years, you would think they should know each other better. Rightly or wrongly, so many cues we get from others are subtle; they aren't plainly spoken. I agree, bolle, that it would be much easier if Christian just said what was on his mind. Unfortunately, he doesn't always do that.
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Post by Zathras on Feb 7, 2010 15:30:01 GMT -5
Why so many people think Olli must feel what is with Chris, what he think, what he feels? And why Chris must not feel what Olli wants, feels, think in the same way? I wanted to address this directly. From the examples that I can remember, Christian does eventually figure out what Olli wants. It often takes someone else to help him realize it, but he does get there, and then he tries to help Olli. It's kind of odd, but it seems to me like Olli used to be able to do that better (back in the very early days), but has lost some of that ability. It seems to me like Olli has been written as clueless at times over the past several months (like when Christian was stressing about not being able to box again). It does go both ways, and it's a bit frustrating.
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Post by sozment on Feb 7, 2010 15:47:21 GMT -5
Well in my own little opinion, I have an answer for that. Christian and Olli are and have always been the perfect loves. That is why we all love them. They have the love we all want. So in order to have a storyline, their characters are going to have to be messed up, mixed up and the borderline "bad" traits that they might have had ..well those have to be magnified so that there can be a real "issue". Otherwise, we have that grand love all the time and well..no storyline for our beloveds. That's my take.
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Feb 7, 2010 19:13:21 GMT -5
Well in my own little opinion, I have an answer for that. Christian and Olli are and have always been the perfect loves. That is why we all love them. They have the love we all want. So in order to have a storyline, their characters are going to have to be messed up, mixed up and the borderline "bad" traits that they might have had ..well those have to be magnified so that there can be a real "issue". Otherwise, we have that grand love all the time and well..no storyline for our beloveds. That's my take. LOVE it.
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Post by mona on Feb 7, 2010 20:02:26 GMT -5
Olli is OK most of the time, but then he takes the worst possible moment and does something borderline autistic. Like when he went clubbing instead of being with Christian the night before the boxing match. But Olli was totally excited to be there for Christian a few hours before and got rejected (and not in a nice way). He even told Olli to sleep in his own bed. To me it always seemed that Christian only went to Schneiders then because Gregor made the "You could lose him" comment. Not because Christian needed him that night and then of course he saw the other guy and suddenly he did have a problem with it. It is a bit "weird" to wait in the bedroom for your boyfriend when Christian even told him he shouldn't come. That's why I totally understand Olli sometimes when he must think "What should I do?" I also think that Christian would have been extremely hurt if Olli wouldn't have been against his sport after the heart attack but Olli still got the blame at first for doing the right thing. Christian is always saying a few words to hurt and then leaves when Olli would like to just talk. There's always the chance Christian goes off like a "bomb". I also don't like that Christian seems to think he decides when it's time to make up most of the times. Christian was going away on purpose at the auction and Olli didn't have time but was normal to Christian. Maybe he also thought it would be better if he and Christian can talk without pressure?
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Post by Zathras on Feb 7, 2010 22:41:24 GMT -5
To me it always seemed that Christian only went to Schneiders then because Gregor made the "You could lose him" comment. Not because Christian needed him that night and then of course he saw the other guy and suddenly he did have a problem with it. It is a bit "weird" to wait in the bedroom for your boyfriend when Christian even told him he shouldn't come. That's a good point. Christian didn't realize how much stress he put on Olli until Gregor pointed it out to him. Hmm.
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 8, 2010 0:15:30 GMT -5
I think Christian has "plenty" of power to do. He can stop pouting and fight for his man! Olli had every right to brush Christian off. Look how Christian has spoken to him and treated him for the past day or so. And Olli is supposed to jump up and down and greet him with a warm smile and open arms JUST because Christian has decided "ok, I'll be happy and give him some happy news now". Come on.... I would not have. Would any of you?? Honestly?? Just because Christian is gorgeous doesn't give him a "get of of jail free card on the behavior train". Sorry! Maybe Olli isn't ready for the happy news. Olli has no way of knowing what Christian is thinking as he certainly wasn't doing anything but giving him smartass remarks for the past day or so. So, no..I don't see any reason for him to have jumped up and welcomed his "news". That's my take. And I am loving this storyline. I say let them fight for a while..expand the drama and then make up and have sex for 50 days and 50 nights. I really didn't expect Olli to jump because Christian had now decided he wanted to talk. But what I didn't like and found very disrespectful on Olli's part was the way he raced off back to Robert instead of maybe just enlightening Christian to the fact that he was talking over some business with Robert. Why couldn't Olli had just said something like...Give me a minute Christian, Robert is here. Let me just finish up with him and I'll be back...but instead Christian had to find out from Miriam the reason why Olli was almost hyperventilating as he rushed back over to be by Rob's side. I know Olli wants NL to be the next 'big thing,' but also a little bit of self dignity is in order. Olli is carrying on like Rob is the do all and end all as to weather NL will be a success. And this simply is not true. Like I said earlier...Olli is drunk with ambition, but at what cost? and to what will he sacrifice to reach that goal? As for Christian being gorgeous...just for the record...Christian is good looking but Olli is stunningly beautiful. But it doesn't mean he will get a free pass from me. I think he is being a bit of an 'air head' right now regarding Robert. ;D
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Post by ivaniv on Feb 8, 2010 0:31:12 GMT -5
Yes, some dignity would be nice. Olli now even talks like Bob. He's angry with Christian because Bob is angry, then in a second the problem is gone because Bob does not care anymore. I wonder what he would do if Bob said 'Do you know what would really help you to be good at organising parties? If I shagged you.' He's not there yet, but he may give it a thought after a few more days under Bob's influence.
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Post by Nitty on Feb 8, 2010 0:43:11 GMT -5
^ Shit, Ivan! ;D I enjoyed reading everyone's posts tonight.
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Feb 8, 2010 3:40:45 GMT -5
Yes, some dignity would be nice. Olli now even talks like Bob. He's angry with Christian because Bob is angry, then in a second the problem is gone because Bob does not care anymore. I wonder what he would do if Bob said 'Do you know what would really help you to be good at organising parties? If I shagged you.' He's not there yet, but he may give it a thought after a few more days under Bob's influence. Yup! Rob has Olli right where he wants him. Save your man, Christian!
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Post by blondeninjagirl on Feb 8, 2010 18:29:38 GMT -5
Yea, miscommunication is a big deal in relationships, I swear they put themselves in stupid situations, but thats normal. I only wish they would yell at each other more like, "You're such an asshole!" or "Leave me alone and die!". I know this sounds awful, but sometimes it could help release some pent up frustration, instead of being all avoiding each other. The couple that fights together stay together, i think.
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