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Post by joanna on Feb 5, 2010 14:27:50 GMT -5
Just added Nanna's unsubbed vid (danke, Nanna) into the start of the thread. My caps to follow shortly...
PS: Thought Thore played his part in things excellently today. Really nice work from him. And Rob's answerphone/voicemail message made me giggle! ;D
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Post by sylstyle on Feb 5, 2010 14:36:16 GMT -5
Danke Joanna and Nanna Sylvain
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Post by sozment on Feb 5, 2010 14:45:35 GMT -5
*Gasp* And they didn't fire Christian for asking. Miracles do happen! Now, if only he had done this a week ago, Olli wouldn't be hurt, he would not be hurt and well..damn..there would not be this ever delightful storyline. I LOVED the hug from Robert.. Olli is so beautiful ..better not let this get too far. But Rebecca is always there...sadly..but so ...
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Post by joanna on Feb 5, 2010 14:47:49 GMT -5
Right, just edited my caps (all as enlargeable thumbnails, with a full-size selection underneath) into the start of the thread.
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Post by lyra85 on Feb 5, 2010 15:05:57 GMT -5
hahaha I love how Christian has inherited Craig Dean's cardigans xD
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Post by sylstyle on Feb 5, 2010 15:11:09 GMT -5
Thank you Joanna great caps Sylvain
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Post by blondeninjagirl on Feb 5, 2010 15:27:38 GMT -5
Omg can you believe Robert? lol Hes got some balls, I wonder why no one has called him out on it yet? Christian step up your game. But yay for jealous Christian, Olli seems to be like so loose headed around Robert. Do not like Olli givng his Ollish stares at Robby, Robert is an incubus! Oh lookie, Rebecca.... -stinky face- I wish she can take her angel act, grow some wings and fly into a wall. I don't why shes in the kitchen all the time now. Not like shes likes food you know. Cuz shes a banshee and banshees eat souls or w/e. >_< Thanks joanna for the caps!
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Post by valso on Feb 5, 2010 16:15:23 GMT -5
Thanks a lot Nanna and Joanna! I liked today episode, specially because I think both of them seemed ready to make an attempt to patch things up. It's so unfortunate that they couldn't do it because of a stupid misunderstanding. I start to think that Rob isn't interested only in NL... I wish he and Rebecca would go far far away from my beloved Chrolli!
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Post by joanna on Feb 5, 2010 18:26:22 GMT -5
Nanna and Paul's subbed vid is now up (danke, Nanna/Paul!). Just added it into the opening post of the thread.
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Post by mitsaso on Feb 5, 2010 18:28:29 GMT -5
LOL Christian was sooooo bitchy at the beginning today! If he was like that with me, I'd soooo feel an urge to pinch his cheeks... simultaneously.
I SO share his opinion on all those english words that Rob is feeding Olli with, by the way! Everytime Rob says something like "I'll make your bar HIP, ELECTRO and EXCLUSIVE" I'm all like "LOL RLY?" Olli needs a bitchslap everytime he says such words too, he stopped being cute with them ages ago (or maybe it's just Jo that says them too theatrically? I can spot a theatre actor from miles!)
All the misunderstanding and that stuff today were adorable. But I see a VERY dark shadow lurking in the back... was it me, or Olli seemed to kinda like that hug with Rob...!!!
Christian would totally strangle Olli if it wasn't for that over-the-top scarf. ;D
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Post by joanna on Feb 5, 2010 18:38:45 GMT -5
Oh dear... Every single time I hear Rob's answerphone 'beeps' message, it makes me giggle!
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 5, 2010 19:59:20 GMT -5
oh! just posting a raw reaction...that ep was AMAZING rob's hug was MADE of sex, and i just lose it over JEALOUS!Christian...eeep!!! i know everyone is going to hate me but there is suuuuch nice tension btw. rob and olli...... mmm... it BEGS to be resolved and it WILL be!!
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 5, 2010 23:48:04 GMT -5
I absolutely loved this episode. The acting, especially from Thore has really stepped up these last few episodes. Excellent stuff coming from him at the moment.
What a look from Christian when Robert hugged Olli and their lips were inches from each other. And OMG!!! that stare as Olli approached Christian after the hug. I don't know how Thore did it but he brilliantly combined a look of shock, fear and disgust all rolled into one. And then Olli approaching him completely oblivious to the look of 'WTF are you doing' painted on Christian's face. That moment had my heart racing because I was sure Christian was about to explode but thought otherwise and left the premises.
And Olli better watch out because Robert is playing him like a fiddle. It's great that Olli wants to expand and make NL a huge success...but at what cost? His blind ambition and Rob's intoxicating hold on him can equal disaster.
I don't really have much to say about Rebecca because the madness with her continues. Lets just place a halo on top of her head and give her a pair of angle wings. Oh...the stupidity of it all.
Again...i'm loving the drama. And we have a really good actor in with this Robert character...sorry but the actors name slips me right now.
Thank you so very much nanna and Paul. What a lovely treat to come home after a terribly draining day at work and have this excellent episode to watch.
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Post by silverkitsune33 on Feb 6, 2010 11:21:41 GMT -5
I love Christian's jealous streak. It's so fun to watch.
Does anyone else think that if he could turn No Limits into a person for a minute he would just to yell at it for taking all his boyfriend's time? :Facepalm:
Seeing Olli working for a dream that is just for himself is FUN to watch! It's so exciting to see him have agency again. And I like that he dreams big. Christian wanted to be a boxer yes, but more than that he wanted to be a champion boxer! Olli wants No Limits, but more than that he wants No Limits to be a big hot spot!
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 6, 2010 12:27:52 GMT -5
I love Christian's jealous streak. It's so fun to watch. Does anyone else think that if he could turn No Limits into a person for a minute he would just to yell at it for taking all his boyfriend's time? :Facepalm:Seeing Olli working for a dream that is just for himself is FUN to watch! It's so exciting to see him have agency again. And I like that he dreams big. Christian wanted to be a boxer yes, but more than that he wanted to be a champion boxer! Olli wants No Limits, but more than that he wants No Limits to be a big hot spot! ;D ;D ;D ;D YES!!
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Post by Zam on Feb 6, 2010 14:56:10 GMT -5
Christian talking to himself and getting the idea himself wouldn't make it to air. It's a necesary evil to have Rebecca as part of this scene. She's the only one who talked to both Olli and Christian about it. Also, from a writing perspective it gave both Olli and Christian defined story arcs within the eps. And it was all about parallellism. Flatshare - Both Mad/fighting Castle & NL - C&O mad, and Olli is calmed by Miriam while Chris is calmed by Rebecca Castle & NL - Both get their hopes up when the girls suggest they each take a chance. Call Rob, and ask Justus Castle & NL - Alternately cozy and funny scene / boys achieving some success NL - Chris arrives with good news / Olli happy about Party ideas. Rob fucks it up. We are back to square one. Both characters took a distinct journey in the ep, even though it turned out to be a round-trip as far as their relationship is concerned. The longer the boys go without talking this out, the longer the story lasts, and the more [story] "meat" two of our favorite actors get the chew on for a bit. Agreed. The episode was ok (and jealous!Christian is always awesome) but i HATE every single scene with Christian and Rebecca... I really can't help it Seriously. Every time I see Christian walk into a room with rebecca in it (or vice versa) I wanna sream, puke and punch something. Its just gross!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look, I'm no Rebecca fan, but if Christian has no one to talk to, Christian isn't on the TV. We can't count on Gregor to get involved. Lydia is several stories removed. Hell, he's barely spoken to Andi in the past month. It would be so much nicer if Judith were still on the show , and it would put her in an uncomfortable postition. But we can't have that, and Christian has no other friends. LOVE this pic! He looks a bit like Lorenzo Lamas (from the old US show Falcon Crest) in this. But Thore is more talented and better looking. The pic is STUNNING! and the highlights work for him here And yes, Ivan, size matters. Sozemont, You hit the nail on the head with this one. And Brownsugar, your post... all I can say is: I am thankful the boys have a decent story.So far, I think it's being carefully plotted to play out for a very long time. That makes me happy. It also makes me (fake-) pity Nanna and Tikhon, whose fingers will bleed from all the subs they're going to have to give us.
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Post by IvVi on Feb 6, 2010 17:07:35 GMT -5
I finally got to see fridays episode. This time it was Olli's turn to self-pitty himself...... making fool of myself, being too old for this and that... classical self-pitty-lines just waiting to someone to say on the contrary and Miriam did. At the end of the episode I saw and heard more of a disappointment than jealousy. Of course the jealously was there... it's Christian we talking about....But there was an issue they were arguing about for a week. And all happy Christian walks in with a solution just to found out it's not important anymore. And Thores acting gets better and better by episode (not to mention his looks).
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Post by Zathras on Feb 6, 2010 20:00:42 GMT -5
First ... awww, Justus ;D I may be alone in this, based on the comments I've read so far ... Christian feels like he's getting cut out of Olli's life, and Rob is a huge driving force behind that (not the only one, mind you). How much time has Olli spent with Rob lately? What has Olli missed that was important to Christian because of it? Good grief, look at how Olli stumbled over his words trying to leave a message ... Olli's clearly latched on to Rob. I'm not sure the right phrase I want to use here. It's that tongue-tied feeling people get when they try to talk to someone really important to them. And Christian saw it plainly. That's the part that's bringing out his jealousy. It's fine and good for Olli to have his own hopes and dreams, and something to drive him. That, by itself, isn't the problem. It's how Olli's gone about it, and where he's place Christian among his priorities. So, after several days of Olli's cold shoulder, Christian wants to do something to smooth things over. Though, we clearly see that Rebecca and Justus' niece were much stronger in their attempts to persuade Justus. He still doesn't think it's a good idea, but he sees how important it is to Olli so (with a little encouragement) he asks. He has high hopes that this will help mend things between him and Olli. Of course Olli didn't know that Christian had asked. That's kind of beside the point. Christian comes in with very important news. And what does Olli do? He brushes off Christian ... to continue talking with Rob. Wouldn't you think that, if your partner comes in and tells you he has important news that affects you, you might stop to listen for a moment? And then Christian learns that the stable party isn't even important anymore. Olli and Rob have moved on ... and left Christian behind. Rob hugging Olli, and Olli's dumbstruck smile (and obliviousness) really got to Christian. I think he feels he's losing Olli, a little bit at a time, and doesn't know how to stop it. So he can't even bring himself to say anything. With that said, I don't mean to imply that Christian is entirely without fault here. He's giving Olli the impression that he doesn't think Olli's new passion is important. He carelessly dropped an expensive turntable. And he was pretty tactless when he turned down Olli's request. I just tend to empathize more with Christian than Olli right now.
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 6, 2010 20:30:52 GMT -5
Again, I don't believe that Olli's priorities have shifted, i think that Christian will always be his top priority, but now Olli is placing himself on an equal level in terms of importance, and Christian is just not used to that. My heart goes out to Christian as well, but I thought it was telling that he was SO shocked that Olli didn't have time for him, when that's something he's done to Olli countless times - ok, maybe only one or two counts. But at any rate I think it suggests intense hubris of Christian, his expression at that moment was "What? Olli doesn't drop everything and anything for ME?" Now I have to give Christian credit, he's learned his lesson and matured a bit, this is the first time he doesn't physically menace another man who is angling for Olli's attention. Attention which, Christian is only NOW learning, is freely given and infinitely precious. This is a growing moment for Christian and I think we'll see him learn not to take his relationship for granted. Now, I hate to be one of those "Olli is a saint and can never do wrong and it's Christian's fault" - people, so on the flip I'll say it seems as though Olli has, in the course of two or three episodes, forgotten everything he's learned about how Christian ticks. Olli KNOWS, or SHOULD know Christian expects people (i.e. Olli) to be mind-readers, and knows he has a very real and very intense jealousy issues. Yet Olli allows robert to hug him - sensually - and doesn't even try to excuse himself or palliate Christian re: that. I can't think that the Olli who so neatly dissected Christian's innermost thoughts in the 4.4.08 clip doesn't know that the hug was upsetting to Christian and a big deal. bah. Anyway, I think Rob has a better read on Christian at this point than Olli does, because I can't shake the feeling that he totally did that on purpose KNOWING that Christian was watching. I love to hate Rob
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Post by donnied on Feb 6, 2010 21:11:03 GMT -5
Fellow Chrolli Fans; In regards to Christian's hot pissed off looks in his scene at No Limits when he see Rob hug Olli: Has anyone noticed that Christian is now parting his hair from left to right which gives him a totally new hot mature look? In my opinion, Thore is like a chameleon: he can change himself with very subtle and minor outward appearances that can change his perceived character. I don't know if VL is behind it, but someone is doing a fantastic job of 'Psycho-design' in the make-up, and wardrobe departments!
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Post by Zathras on Feb 6, 2010 21:13:02 GMT -5
First, I should say that I can't read everything you guys post on the VL part of the board. You're far too prolific, I just don't have enough time ;D. I checked the spoiler discussion thread after I wrote my post, and saw 20 new pages since I last checked . So, sorry if you've gone over this before. Again, I don't believe that Olli's priorities have shifted, i think that Christian will always be his top priority, but now Olli is placing himself on an equal level in terms of importance, and Christian is just not used to that. Right now, Olli's actions tell me (again, I could be alone in this) that Christian is not Olli's top priority. If, as you say, Olli has put himself in equal importance now (whereas he didn't before), then, by definition, that's a change in Olli's priorities. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying it's different. I'll ponder your assertion a bit; it's different from my initial read on things, and is worth thinking about. I'll grant that he looked shocked, but I thought that was more driven by the attitude Olli showed - Olli just brushed him off as if his important news wasn't actually important ... or, at least, not as important as Rob. I'm not sure Rob has a better read on Christian (they haven't interacted much), but he seems to have a better read on Olli than Olli thinks he does. It struck me more that Rob didn't care whether Christian was there or not. He wanted to hug Olli, so he did it. In the same way he invited himself along with Olli and crashed his date with Christian.
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 6, 2010 21:57:06 GMT -5
OH, we certainly are prolific, I think it's a good thing you're not obsessively checking (like some people...er...me, actually ) Very good point, it's a question at this point of directionality, is Christian less important or of the same importance? I think that has yet to be seen, but what is obvious is that Christian is NOT handling the change well - at all. It may be my imagination that's contributing to this sort of evil schemer mastermind portrait that I'm painting of robert, but I think he's had plenty of opportunity to observe, if not Christian himself, then the dynamic that exists between Christian and Olli, and has an intuitive sense as how to manipulate that to his favor and to his liking, and unfortunately it seems that what he like now is Olli...
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 6, 2010 22:05:38 GMT -5
First ... awww, Justus ;D I may be alone in this, based on the comments I've read so far ... Christian feels like he's getting cut out of Olli's life, and Rob is a huge driving force behind that (not the only one, mind you). How much time has Olli spent with Rob lately? What has Olli missed that was important to Christian because of it? Good grief, look at how Olli stumbled over his words trying to leave a message ... Olli's clearly latched on to Rob. I'm not sure the right phrase I want to use here. It's that tongue-tied feeling people get when they try to talk to someone really important to them. And Christian saw it plainly. That's the part that's bringing out his jealousy. It's fine and good for Olli to have his own hopes and dreams, and something to drive him. That, by itself, isn't the problem. It's how Olli's gone about it, and where he's place Christian among his priorities. So, after several days of Olli's cold shoulder, Christian wants to do something to smooth things over. Though, we clearly see that Rebecca and Justus' niece were much stronger in their attempts to persuade Justus. He still doesn't think it's a good idea, but he sees how important it is to Olli so (with a little encouragement) he asks. He has high hopes that this will help mend things between him and Olli. Of course Olli didn't know that Christian had asked. That's kind of beside the point. Christian comes in with very important news. And what does Olli do? He brushes off Christian ... to continue talking with Rob. Wouldn't you think that, if your partner comes in and tells you he has important news that affects you, you might stop to listen for a moment? And then Christian learns that the stable party isn't even important anymore. Olli and Rob have moved on ... and left Christian behind. Rob hugging Olli, and Olli's dumbstruck smile (and obliviousness) really got to Christian. I think he feels he's losing Olli, a little bit at a time, and doesn't know how to stop it. So he can't even bring himself to say anything. With that said, I don't mean to imply that Christian is entirely without fault here. He's giving Olli the impression that he doesn't think Olli's new passion is important. He carelessly dropped an expensive turntable. And he was pretty tactless when he turned down Olli's request. I just tend to empathize more with Christian than Olli right now. I agree with your post 100%. You have just written down how I presently feel about this whole situation involving Rob. And I have to admit, so far I sympathize with Christian. The thing that I find quite incredulous is how Olli was oblivious to how he thought Christian would react who had just seen Rob, someone he clearly doesn't like or trust, give his boyfriend more than just the casual friendly hug...it was more intimate the way he embraced Olli. Now, I'm not blaming Olli for the hug or anything since it was clearly unexpected...he put his hand out for a simple partnership like handshake but was blindside when Rob pulled him in for full on body contact. And Olli did have a look of surprise on his face after Rob hugged him that way, but there was also that besotted type of teenage look as Rob walked away...and right in front of Christian as well. It almost seemed disrespectful of Olli if not down right insensitive. When the camera zoomed in on Christian's face after he had to witness the hug and Olli seeming mesmerized by Rob, my heart dropped for him, it really did. Then Olli strolled up to Christian and just expected things to pick up where they left off, even though he had just dissed him to run be by the side of the all important Rob. A man he's ONLY just gotten to know. At this moment in time I sympathize with Christian. That look he gave Olli after the hug...which I say was brilliantly portrayed by Thore...had the look of one seeing their love slowly slipping away and at a loss of what to do. Christian feels the grip that Robert has on Olli leaves him powerless to do anything.
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Post by sozment on Feb 6, 2010 23:24:05 GMT -5
I think Christian has "plenty" of power to do. He can stop pouting and fight for his man! Olli had every right to brush Christian off. Look how Christian has spoken to him and treated him for the past day or so. And Olli is supposed to jump up and down and greet him with a warm smile and open arms JUST because Christian has decided "ok, I'll be happy and give him some happy news now". Come on.... I would not have. Would any of you?? Honestly?? Just because Christian is gorgeous doesn't give him a "get of of jail free card on the behavior train". Sorry! Maybe Olli isn't ready for the happy news. Olli has no way of knowing what Christian is thinking as he certainly wasn't doing anything but giving him smartass remarks for the past day or so. So, no..I don't see any reason for him to have jumped up and welcomed his "news". That's my take. And I am loving this storyline. I say let them fight for a while..expand the drama and then make up and have sex for 50 days and 50 nights.
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Post by Zam on Feb 7, 2010 0:51:45 GMT -5
and then make up and have sex for 50 days and 50 nights. ...in a row ...in front of the cameras so we can watch ;D
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