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Post by Zathras on Feb 7, 2010 2:21:55 GMT -5
Welcome to the board, silentobserver! You bring up some excellent points. I hope you'll stick around . Granted, but, frankly, neither is Olli. In the last few weeks he's left Christian hanging at the last minute so many times it's not funny. He's showing a nearly total disregard for Christian's thoughts, feelings, opinions, time, etc. If Olli had left me hanging with nary a word I would be upset, too. If he wants to make his business plans higher priority, that's fine, but he needs to set new groundrules for acceptable behavior with Christian. He can't unilaterally change them and expect Christian to accept it. I'm thinking of simple things like "always call/text if I can't make it". How? It's a serious question, because I don't see how. Maybe it's a lack of imagination on my part. He can't change Olli's priorities, and he can't change how Olli thinks and feels. Do you think Olli would be at all happy if Christian tried to interfere in his attempts to get No Limits into the "hip" party scene? He hasn't been so far. I don't see anything he can do right now won't cause Olli to react strongly negatively. Fine. By the same token, it was not incumbent upon Christian support Olli's request to help him have a party at the stables, after having been repeatedly cast aside. Olli's reaction to that was atrocious ("It feels great to have a boyfriend who has your back 100%" - that's just the start). No, but only if I thought I had done nothing wrong. Yes, if I thought I had. That's part of the problem: Olli doesn't think he's done anything wrong. What does Christian's appearance have to do with it?
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Post by maya on Feb 7, 2010 2:41:40 GMT -5
Look, I'm no Rebecca fan, but if Christian has no one to talk to, Christian isn't on the TV. We can't count on Gregor to get involved. Lydia is several stories removed. Hell, he's barely spoken to Andi in the past month. It would be so much nicer if Judith were still on the show , and it would put her in an uncomfortable postition. But we can't have that, and Christian has no other friends. I hope you're right and that this is not just a way to show us Christian and Rebecca becoming closer while Olli and Christian are more distant every day
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Post by sozment on Feb 7, 2010 9:14:22 GMT -5
't make it". How? It's a serious question, because I don't see how. Maybe it's a lack of imagination on my part. He can't change Olli's priorities, and he can't change how Olli thinks and feels. Do you think Olli would be at all happy if Christian tried to interfere in his attempts to get No Limits into the "hip" party scene? He hasn't been so far. I don't see anything he can do right now won't cause Olli to react strongly negatively. For starters, instead of turning around and walking out the door when he saw Rob hugging Olli, he could have "talked" to Olli about it. And not in his normal jealous way. In a normal way. Olli has always reacted quite nicely to Christian when Christian has spoken to him in a normal way. But lately, the snide remarks, the looks, the faces he makes, Olli just doesn't know how to take him. It's no wonder he hesitantly greeted him. No, it's just a boyfriend being a boyfriend. Olli did behave selfishly, I have never said otherwise, BUT I will say it again, I think Christian behaved JUST as much as a jerk. Sorry...but I think he did!! And I find them both at fault here. They both need to get their priorities straight and talk a little bit. But for the remarks to continue for days is ridiculous and if Christian really wants Olli, then he needs to talk to him and the same for Olli. But my remarks were based on the fact that people seemed to think that Olli should have responded immediately to Christian. The only that I see Olli did wrong was assuming that Christian would do something like that on the spur of the moment. He should have known that Christian has to think things over and mull them a bit. I do NOT think he was wrong to ask. I do think Christian was wrong to immediately turn him down without 1) thinking about it or 2) trying to help him come up with some alternatives. Because all I read on this board is how gorgeous Christian is and I write how beautiful Olli is. So, I said and I also apply this to Olli. Sometimes a good looking person can get away with murder and don't even try to tell me that they don't. Rob is doing it with Olli. So... my point it... no matter how cute he is or waltzing in there with his dimples..hey Olli, I have a solution. Olli should not have dropped everything and been all smiles. Not after the way Christian had just treated him that morning. No one would have. That was my only point with the looks. Now, I love Christian and Olli, but everyone is so hard on Olli and on the youtube boards, it's pure bashing on Olli and I don't think he deserves it. Normally, I don't even comment on the threads..but that is why I am saying anything at all.
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Post by Lightness on Feb 7, 2010 9:26:16 GMT -5
I don't really understand why a lot of people are soooo angry with Olli. He isn't infallible, too, even the show presented it like this the last year. He supported Christian in every step Christian made. Even when Christian was not nice to Olli/doesn't talk to Olli/ stood up Olli. When Christian had to go to the ill horse and so he couldn't spend time with Olli, Olli wasn't angry or bitchy to Christian. He even came with him to the horse! How can people say, the job/the NL/ Rob is more important to Olli than his boyfriend? Just because he ONCE does something for himself? Just because there is also one thing in Olli's life apart from Christian?
I don't know. Christian is allowed to have his own life and Olli not. Don't get that.
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Post by sozment on Feb 7, 2010 9:31:36 GMT -5
I have decided to stop watching the show and reading this board. I made some comments on YouTube last night and was attacked. Since it made me feel like crap I deleted my comments there as well as here. I hope everyone continues to enjoy the show. *hugs* Oh, don't even try to talk over there..believe me. It's much safer on a forum ) Hope you come back.
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Post by sylstyle on Feb 7, 2010 10:41:20 GMT -5
Well in this story they are both making mistakes, they're both stubborn. Both could have made the first step. But in order to make the SL longer writers decided against it. I love them both and it hurts me to see them fight, I tend to think like Shirley and Boy like me. Why Olli cannot have a carreer, why shoud Olli be described has the desperate Housewife (pleasing Chris everytime he would like to). Why can't Olli have 2 priorities at the same time. It's not correctly and currently working, because to me they're still " frisch verliebt" and not ready to make compromises (something you learn with experiments and years). Silentobserver you were right (Zathras too with what you said about Chris and Olli. But to me it is also important to see both sides in here It can't be only Olli's fault here as it can't be Chris's fault everytime. I think you should come back here share your opinion as well as try to discuss with people that have different opinions. Sometime it's difficult but aren't we all here for our Chrolli's addiction ;D Sylvain
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 7, 2010 10:48:48 GMT -5
I have decided to stop watching the show and reading this board. I made some comments on YouTube last night and was attacked. Since it made me feel like crap I deleted my comments there as well as here. I hope everyone continues to enjoy the show. I'm really sorry to hear that you don't feel comfortable enough to express your opinion whether it is on youtube - which, admittedly, can get a little fractious, or here. I'm not a mod or anything, but I'd like to think that we generally hold ourselves to a higher standard of civility and respect for persons. I would hate to see you a. stop supporting the show because of the comments of some, less than nice people b. feel as though you are being silenced. I think the thing that makes this board great is the diversity of opinions and viewpoints that we get to share with each other. you brought up some good points in your long post, and though I don't agree with every single one of them, they were certainly thought provoking, at least to me. So if you haven't deleted your account yet and placed a pox on all of us, lol, I would encourage you to keep watching and keep the conversation going!
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Post by sio127 on Feb 7, 2010 11:48:54 GMT -5
isn't it amazing that one show can cause so much "conversation" ;D. I think it is excellent that so many different people are brought together because of said show. It would be extremely boring if every post was exactly the same and everyone had the same opinion. I love the fact that when I read this forum peoples thoughts are so diverse, it makes it interesting. Silentobserver.....I think, personally, it would be a shame if you left as your ideas and thoughts add to the ever increasing world that is "CHrolli world". |Could go on at length but you get the idea........as for my personal point of view....I was on Christians side at the start as I thought along the lines of him being new in the job and not wanting to rock the boat, I have kind of chaged my tune as I think he has been very childish over the last couple of episodes...sulking is SO not the way to go! edit...okay so I did go on at length......oops
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Post by Zathras on Feb 7, 2010 12:39:26 GMT -5
I'm going to put my replies out of order a bit... First, sylstyle, you're right that they're both screwing up. It's okay if Olli gets a new passion for his job, but he has to figure out how to define his boundaries - not standing Christian up, not throwing a hissy fit when Christian declines to help, and not bringing Rob to crash their date. By the same token, Christian has to learn to actually talk with Olli about what's bothering him, rather than continue his passive-aggressive sniping. How can people say, the job/the NL/ Rob is more important to Olli than his boyfriend? Just because he ONCE does something for himself? Just because there is also one thing in Olli's life apart from Christian? For me, it's more a matter of a new trend in Olli's behavior over the last few weeks. It's not just the one incident. For starters, instead of turning around and walking out the door when he saw Rob hugging Olli, he could have "talked" to Olli about it. And not in his normal jealous way. In a normal way. Olli has always reacted quite nicely to Christian when Christian has spoken to him in a normal way. But lately, the snide remarks, the looks, the faces he makes, Olli just doesn't know how to take him. It's no wonder he hesitantly greeted him. Fair enough. Talking would be very good at this point. My comment was that after Christian tactlessly declined to help Olli, Olli didn't really acknowledge Christian's initial concerns, and instead attacked him personally - an extremely low blow in my mind. I agree that Christian handled the request very poorly, but I thought Olli's personal attack was totally uncalled for. I've said before (somewhere around here) that Olli was not wrong to ask. What Olli did wrong was to turn it around and make it about their relationship. How was Christian supposed to react to that? I certainly wouldn't react well if someone tried to manipulate me like that. They are both quite attractive . But to be blunt, whether you intended it or not, it came across (to me, at least) as insulting - that anyone defending Christian is doing so on a superficial basis. Your comment just kind of hung out there like that, because neither Christian nor Olli has ever used their appearance to get out of anything. Thankfully I don't read the YouTube comments ;D. There are far too many trolls over there. But, to be honest, I was quite surprised when I read this thread and saw so many people doing the same to Christian. I understand where you're coming from, but I still tend to empathize more with Christian right now.
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Post by Lightness on Feb 7, 2010 12:42:02 GMT -5
For me, it's more a matter of a new trend in Olli's behavior over the last few weeks. It's not just the one incident Maybe new in front of Christian. But this Olli now is much more the old one, then in the last years.
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Post by sylstyle on Feb 7, 2010 12:54:06 GMT -5
I'm going to put my replies out of order a bit... First, sylstyle, you're right that they're both screwing up. It's okay if Olli gets a new passion for his job, but he has to figure out how to define his boundaries - not standing Christian up, not throwing a hissy fit when Christian declines to help, and not bringing Rob to crash their date. By the same token, Christian has to learn to actually talk with Olli about what's bothering him, rather than continue his passive-aggressive sniping. I totally agree, except for the world borderlines I prefer compromises Like for instance Olli should have come back earlier from the party to be in great form and in time for Chris's test. And Chris should have said to Olli "I can't answer you now about the stable party I have to ask advices before" (for instance to Rebecca, or Justus) To me life is all about compromises, and to me this is more important to judge Feiler's writing than characters themselves. Sylvain
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 7, 2010 13:08:12 GMT -5
For me, it's more a matter of a new trend in Olli's behavior over the last few weeks. It's not just the one incident Maybe new in front of Christian. But this Olli now is much more the old one, then in the last years. Ja, ITA, this Olli is like back to the 2000/ 2001 Olli for sure, but that's not necessarily a good thing, Olli shouldn't be regressing and he should be more mature than he was with Tom, especially since this relationship with Christian is so much more important and deeper than the one he had back then. I'm going to put my replies out of order a bit... First, sylstyle, you're right that they're both screwing up. It's okay if Olli gets a new passion for his job, but he has to figure out how to define his boundaries - not standing Christian up, not throwing a hissy fit when Christian declines to help, and not bringing Rob to crash their date. By the same token, Christian has to learn to actually talk with Olli about what's bothering him, rather than continue his passive-aggressive sniping. AMEN! It's sad but I think Olli's explosive tendency ( i.e. to fly off the handle over things) just loops back into and feeds Christian's Passive Aggressiveness - which actually isn't limited to just Olli, he's heaped out tons on Gregor as well - and we just get this vicious feedback loop that is spiraling out of control. And I think we see, i mean, I think, Olli is TOTALLY ready to reconcile, and at this point Chrissie baby is too. But both the boys are still a little bit in stubborn self righteous mode. Olli der stier, the chalkboard said it, so it must be true. Where's Erwin when you need him? or better yet JUUUUDDDIIIITHHH!!!!
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Post by Lightness on Feb 7, 2010 13:11:43 GMT -5
Ja, ITA, this Olli is like back to the 2000/ 2001 Olli for sure, but that's not necessarily a good thing, Olli shouldn't be regressing and he should be more mature than he was with Tom, especially since this relationship with Christian is so much more important and deeper than the one he had back then. No, not necessarily, but TO ME it's a good thing. I don't want Olli to be like a teenager like he was when he was with Tom. But what I hate more is Olli jumping, when a Christian whistles. I think it is worse when Olli gives up his own life for his partner. That isn't a healthy relationship.
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Post by ivaniv on Feb 7, 2010 13:17:56 GMT -5
Olli is OK most of the time, but then he takes the worst possible moment and does something borderline autistic. Like when he went clubbing instead of being with Christian the night before the boxing match. Only somebody with zero empathy would do that. And these days I don't think Christian required his constant attention, there was just this one big day, when Christian wanted to prove to himself that he's got his life back and found something he loves to do. And Olli again goes clubbing erm researching the night before and turns up late, hung over and sleeps through it all
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Post by Lightness on Feb 7, 2010 13:21:21 GMT -5
Olli is OK most of the time, but then he takes the worst possible moment and does something borderline autistic. Like when he went clubbing instead of being with Christian the night before the boxing match. Only somebody with zero empathy would do that. ... Olli came to the match, didn't he? Didn't they have a fight before this match?
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Post by sylstyle on Feb 7, 2010 13:24:00 GMT -5
Olli is OK most of the time, but then he takes the worst possible moment and does something borderline autistic. Like when he went clubbing instead of being with Christian the night before the boxing match. Only somebody with zero empathy would do that. And these days I don't think Christian required his constant attention, there was just this one big day, when Christian wanted to prove to himself that he's got his life back and found something he loves to do. And Olli again goes clubbing erm researching the night before and turns up late, hung over and sleeps through it all I completely agree that was direspectful and it's not the first time . That's an aspect from Olli I completely dislike. And I agree with Christian on this Sylvain
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Post by ivaniv on Feb 7, 2010 13:26:39 GMT -5
... Olli came to the match, didn't he? Didn't they have a fight before this match? Yes, because Olli went out. Yes, Christian told him he could go if he wanted to, but really, whose choice would it really be in such a situation.
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Post by Lightness on Feb 7, 2010 13:31:00 GMT -5
Yes, because Olli went out. Yes, Christian told him he could go if he wanted to, but really, whose choice would it really be in such a situation. I thougt the fight was because of Christian's coming out?
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Post by ivaniv on Feb 7, 2010 13:38:54 GMT -5
I thougt the fight was because of Christian's coming out? I did not understand it like that at all. Christian even mentioned Olli going out with that guy from the gym. That was his problem, that Olli chose that. People get very nervous before doing something that big like he did. So he could have used if Olli was there to calm him down.
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Post by Lightness on Feb 7, 2010 13:41:42 GMT -5
I did not understand it like that at all. Christian even mentioned Olli going out with that guy from the gym. That was his problem, that Olli chose that. People get very nervous before doing something that big like he did. So he could have used if Olli was there to calm him down. No, I just didn't remember the sitution. I just watched the vid again and Olli asked, if it is okay for Christian or if he should stay the night with him. And Christian answered, that he's fine and Olli should'nt always relinquish.
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Post by ivaniv on Feb 7, 2010 13:47:50 GMT -5
Only this was the most important moment of them all. If it was 2 nights before, all would be OK.
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Post by Lightness on Feb 7, 2010 13:51:49 GMT -5
Only this was the most important moment of them all. If it was 2 nights before, all would be OK. There are people who prefer to be alone before such a big event. Not Christian, right - but there was no reason Olli would have to doubt Christians answer. (of course, we as viewers see that Christian doesn't mean what he says)
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Post by bolle on Feb 7, 2010 13:54:16 GMT -5
Only this was the most important moment of them all. If it was 2 nights before, all would be OK. Please, Chris is a man not a child! If Olli ask if it ok or not he must only say, no, it´s not ok please come with me. What´s in this situation the problem for Chris? I never understood this.
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Post by ivaniv on Feb 7, 2010 13:56:49 GMT -5
There are people who prefer to be alone before such a big event. Not Christian, right - but there was no reason Olli would have to doubt Christians answer. (of course, we as viewers see that Christian doesn't mean what he says) I'd think he knew him well by then. Anyway, I would not go out on such a night.
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Post by Lightness on Feb 7, 2010 13:56:59 GMT -5
Please, Chris is a man not a child! If Olli ask if it ok or not he must only say, no, it´s not ok please come with me. What´s in this situation the problem for Chris? I never understood this. This is what I mean. It seems that Olli always has to feel what Christian really means. They were together for a few weeks in this time. It would be so much easier if Christian would learn to talk and says what he wants.
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