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Post by trini on Jun 9, 2013 12:03:23 GMT -5
Yep, it looks like we are most likely going to get a George/Vincent/Phoebe scenario, I am willing to see how it plays out but so far the fact that Phoebee like Vincent and George jealously have not been very interesting.
As for JP and Doug I'm willing to give them another chance, if they are written better, because I did like the post-it day and the morning after, and they work well together.However, if they get together I don't what their relationship to be the main focus of their story line, let them have other drama going on in their lives and they are support for eachother don't try to make an epic love story.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 11, 2013 16:02:38 GMT -5
Yep, it looks like we are most likely going to get a George/Vincent/Phoebe scenario, I am willing to see how it plays out but so far the fact that Phoebee like Vincent and George jealously have not been very interesting. As for JP and Doug I'm willing to give them another chance, if they are written better, because I did like the post-it day and the morning after, and they work well together.However, if they get together I don't what their relationship to be the main focus of their story line, let them have other drama going on in their lives and they are support for eachother don't try to make an epic love story. Well, it looks like most of us were right about the Phoebe/Vincent/George triangle. The last week of June, Vincent reveals some "heartbreaking news" to Phoebe, while George is out playing detective, to get the "truth behind Vincent". Dennis will be back soon. Yeah. I wonder what the "crushing piece of news" is for Esther? Is Tilly leaving?
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Post by trini on Jun 11, 2013 17:08:24 GMT -5
They mention something about Tilly getting into another university,
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Post by candyflossuk on Jun 18, 2013 8:52:45 GMT -5
So according to the new spoilers, JP will be telling Doug he loves him on the 5th July. It says nothing about whether Doug says it back or not but I wouldn't blame him if he didn't and this declaration from JP scares him away.
I was really, really hoping they wouldn't go down the love route so quickly with these two. Fair enough if they had fun for a while (which they both deserve after Craig and Ste) and that eventually grew to love but why make it about love so soon?! In my opinion, that was one of the biggest mistakes they made with 'Stug'.
Considering they've only been on one date so far - which Doug brought Ste along to - they are going to have show something really special between now and the 5th to make me believe that JP loves him already! So this to me comes across at the writers just wanting them to be at the love stage already without putting in any of the effort to get them there. Really lazy writing.
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Post by anthonyl on Jun 18, 2013 15:18:43 GMT -5
I was all for JP and Doug, but JP suddenly being in love with Doug makes no sense as they've had barely a few dates, much less a relationship. My only guess it's that it's a plot device for JP's big storyline that's upcoming.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 18, 2013 18:01:31 GMT -5
Yup. It looks like another "quick fall in love plot" to jumpstart JP's storyline. I still fear that the show, will eventually have Ste realizing how much he screwed up with Doug and at the last possible moment, he'll have his "Come to Jesus" moment and admit that he still has feelings for his husband.
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Post by HQ75 on Jun 18, 2013 18:41:06 GMT -5
Whatever happen to people falling in love? They may have only had their first date but they've known each other for months and we know they have had sex at least 3 times.
Exactly how long does it take to fall in love? Is that a formula I'm unaware of?
Right now it's all Oxytocin and hormones. Saying you're "in love" doesn't mean you want to spend the rest of your life with someone.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 18, 2013 20:16:12 GMT -5
Whatever happen to people falling in love? They may have only had their first date but they've known each other for months and we know they have had sex at least 3 times. Exactly how long does it take to fall in love? Is that a formula I'm unaware of? Right now it's all Oxycontin and hormones. Saying you're "in love" doesn't mean you want to spend the rest of your life with someone.This is Hollyoaks. That's exactly what it means. Even after only knowing each other for 3 months, having miscommunication problems, JP running away and Doug still being married, yes it means that this newfound love is "forever".
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Post by HQ75 on Jun 18, 2013 20:26:48 GMT -5
I just think falling in love is suppose to be romantic, not practical. It's supposed to be involuntary, not something you weigh out. People fall in love over a weekend or because they have been stuck in an elevator, isn't that the foundations of soap operas and romantic comedies? Obviously there will be no smooth sailing. JP has a child and a coo coo family and Doug is still MARRIED TO STE, lol. But falling in love seems like the most normal, realistic thing that could happen in the storyline. What's not to love? Doug is good looking, kind, smarty, funny, owns his own business, wants to be a good person and cares about his friends. Obviously they enjoy each other physically so I can't imagine why he wouldn't fall in love. It will definitely NOT be forever given that this is Hollyoaks but, so what? Watching a couple fall in love is suppose to be the fun part, the part that makes the viewers squee and sigh and makes it worth it for them to put up with all the other crazy soap shenanigans.
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Post by candyflossuk on Jun 19, 2013 8:06:32 GMT -5
I just think falling in love is suppose to be romantic, not practical. It's supposed to be involuntary, not something you weigh out. People fall in love over a weekend or because they have been stuck in an elevator, isn't that the foundations of soap operas and romantic comedies? Obviously there will be no smooth sailing. JP has a child and a coo coo family and Doug is still MARRIED TO STE, lol. But falling in love seems like the most normal, realistic thing that could happen in the storyline. What's not to love? Doug is good looking, kind, smarty, funny, owns his own business, wants to be a good person and cares about his friends. Obviously they enjoy each other physically so I can't imagine why he wouldn't fall in love. It will definitely NOT be forever given that this is Hollyoaks but, so what? Watching a couple fall in love is suppose to be the fun part, the part that makes the viewers squee and sigh and makes it worth it for them to put up with all the other crazy soap shenanigans. But that's the thing, we haven't 'watched a couple fall in love' have we? I see a couple who like each other but are both sill hung up on their exs somewhat (even though they say they are not) and don't communicate particularly well. They've been on one date, which we didn't even get to see and which Doug brought his husband along to! We've seen very little of them up until the past few weeks because of lack of screentime, certainly not enough for me to believe they are in love yet anyway. And then there's the fact that these two have had their hearts broken not so long ago. The last person who claimed to love JP ran off and left him to bring up a baby on his own and the last person who claimed to love Doug treated/treats him badly and was actually still in love with his ex the whole time. I wouldn't be surprised if Doug freaks out a bit about this. However, I will say that this is a spoiler from 'All About Soap', who are known to be unreliable when it comes to spoilers. Waveguide have the same spoiler written as 'John Paul decides to confess his true feelings to Doug', which doesn't necessarily mean love. It could just be that All About Soap have taken the same spoiler and jumped to the conclusion that it must mean that JP loves him.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 24, 2013 20:10:07 GMT -5
Well, I get why Doug's not receptive to JP's declaration of love to him right now. He isn't over Ste (which shouldn't be that much of a shock to anyone), well except JP.
He'll finally understand what it feels like to be the guy, who's turned down, because he's not the OTP, like what happened with Spike and Kieron Hobbs.
Ste is Craig Dean for Doug.
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Post by anthonyl on Jun 24, 2013 21:52:46 GMT -5
I hate this show.
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Post by Zathras on Jun 24, 2013 23:10:31 GMT -5
Sigh. A small part of me hopes it won't be as bad as it sounds... well, hope springs eternal, anyway .
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 24, 2013 23:40:11 GMT -5
Oh, Anthony Don't get too down in the dumps.
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Post by trini on Jun 24, 2013 23:57:00 GMT -5
Well, I get why Doug's not receptive to JP's declaration of love to him right now. He isn't over Ste (which shouldn't be that much of a shock to anyone), well except JP. He'll finally understand what it feels like to be the guy, who's turned down, because he's not the OTP, like what happened with Spike and Kieron Hobbs. Ste is Craig Dean for Doug. I glad Doug's not receptive to Doug's declaration,even these feeling are true are either of them in the right state of mind to follow their heart. As for Doug still being in love with Ste no surprise,since Doug's return Ste for the most part have been is main focus. The questions is where are Ste and Doug heading. There is another spoiler going around (not sure how accurate) that Ste get beaten up by Trevor and shows up at the McQueens, I wonder if it is seen and injured Ste that make Doug admit his true feelings to himself. I hate this show too.
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Post by candyflossuk on Jun 25, 2013 4:23:11 GMT -5
I think if JP is honest with himself, he'd realise he isn't over Craig either. He rejected Doug's advances only a few months ago because of Craig. Now there's a role reversal and Doug is the one who isn't over his ex, even though not so long ago people were complaining that Doug was acted too over Ste for it to be believable! The writing for this show, and JP and Doug is all over the place. As for JP being 'heartbroken', even though I do love JP I think I will struggle to sympathise with him here because I don't find his 'love' for Doug to be believable. Last nights E4 was one of the few JP/Doug episodes before the love declaration and yet they only got about 2 minutes of screentime again! How do they expect us to believe in JP's love when it isn't reflected on screen?! I hope this is finally the end of JP/Doug since its been dragged out for so long, even though it was obvious right from the start that Hollyoaks weren't really invested in these two as a couple.
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Post by candyflossuk on Jun 25, 2013 4:54:02 GMT -5
By the way, sorry about the formatting in my last post. I have put breaks and spaces in but they donshow 'coz I'm posting from a mobile. Just briefly wanted to say that I have no idea where they are going with Ste/Doug now. Hope to god they aren't reuniting them. I like Doug so much more on his own and didn't Kieron tell a fan only a few months ago that there would be no more 'stug'? HO seem to just be making this up as they go.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 25, 2013 5:43:04 GMT -5
By the way, sorry about the formatting in my last post. I have put breaks and spaces in but they donshow 'coz I'm posting from a mobile. Just briefly wanted to say that I have no idea where they are going with Ste/Doug now. Hope to god they aren't reuniting them. I like Doug so much more on his own and didn't Kieron tell a fan only a few months ago that there would be no more 'stug'? HO seem to just be making this up as they go. "Making this up as they go." Ding Ding Ding Sadly, I've seen much more development between Darren and Sienna, within the past four weeks, then what has been developed for Doug, Ste, JP, George, Vincent, Esther AND Tilly combined on Hollyoaks. Almost everything that can further develop these "beats" for the Doug, JP and Ste characters ALWAYS seems to happen off screen. I know they have gay males on the writing staff, but this is the same mode of operating that's been the standard of these storylines surrounding gay characters for years. It's the same cycle. At times, I do think the writers come up with crap, to see if it sticks to the wall and catches with the audience.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 25, 2013 5:48:15 GMT -5
Well, I get why Doug's not receptive to JP's declaration of love to him right now. He isn't over Ste (which shouldn't be that much of a shock to anyone), well except JP. He'll finally understand what it feels like to be the guy, who's turned down, because he's not the OTP, like what happened with Spike and Kieron Hobbs. Ste is Craig Dean for Doug. I glad Doug's not receptive to Doug's declaration,even these feeling are true are either of them in the right state of mind to follow their heart. As for Doug still being in love with Ste no surprise,since Doug's return Ste for the most part have been is main focus. The questions is where are Ste and Doug heading. There is another spoiler going around (not sure how accurate) that Ste get beaten up by Trevor and shows up at the McQueens, I wonder if it is seen and injured Ste that make Doug admit his true feelings to himself. I hate this show too. Ste gets beaten up again, by another criminal? Does he get to shag him as well? There's also a spoiler that JP gets punched in the face, during the scam of trying to pass of Jacqui being dead.
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Post by siennasun on Jun 25, 2013 10:52:41 GMT -5
By the way, sorry about the formatting in my last post. I have put breaks and spaces in but they donshow 'coz I'm posting from a mobile. Just briefly wanted to say that I have no idea where they are going with Ste/Doug now. Hope to god they aren't reuniting them. I like Doug so much more on his own and didn't Kieron tell a fan only a few months ago that there would be no more 'stug'? HO seem to just be making this up as they go. I was sure I had read that somewhere, but then I couldn't find it anywhere. I really, really hope Kieron is right about that.
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Post by candyflossuk on Jun 25, 2013 11:30:20 GMT -5
By the way, sorry about the formatting in my last post. I have put breaks and spaces in but they donshow 'coz I'm posting from a mobile. Just briefly wanted to say that I have no idea where they are going with Ste/Doug now. Hope to god they aren't reuniting them. I like Doug so much more on his own and didn't Kieron tell a fan only a few months ago that there would be no more 'stug'? HO seem to just be making this up as they go. "Making this up as they go." Ding Ding Ding Sadly, I've seen much more development between Darren and Sienna, within the past four weeks, then what has been developed for Doug, Ste, JP, George, Vincent, Esther AND Tilly combined on Hollyoaks. Almost everything that can further develop these "beats" for the Doug, JP and Ste characters ALWAYS seems to happen off screen. I know they have gay males on the writing staff, but this is the same mode of operating that's been the standard of these storylines surrounding gay characters for years. It's the same cycle. At times, I do think the writers come up with crap, to see if it sticks to the wall and catches with the audience. Yeah, I don't think there's any long term character development going on at all here, unless the plan was to have all the gay characters going round and round in circles, forever pining for their exs. And speaking of 'going around in circles' the new JP spoilers are pathetic. The episode after he tells Doug that he loves him and gets rejected, Waveguide states that 'John Paul discovers an exciting distraction at work'. Well the new spoilers suggest that that distraction is JP's new love interest, the new drama teacher. So literally the day after confessing his 'love' for Doug JP is 'distracting' himself with a new bloke?! Pretty much confirms that I was right not to believe in JP's 'love'. Why do the writers have no imagination when it comes to storyline for JP? It's just one love interest after another, all of whom we know he would dump in heartbeat if Craig ever returned (again). What's the point? By the way, sorry about the formatting in my last post. I have put breaks and spaces in but they donshow 'coz I'm posting from a mobile. Just briefly wanted to say that I have no idea where they are going with Ste/Doug now. Hope to god they aren't reuniting them. I like Doug so much more on his own and didn't Kieron tell a fan only a few months ago that there would be no more 'stug'? HO seem to just be making this up as they go. I was sure I had read that somewhere, but then I couldn't find it anywhere. I really, really hope Kieron is right about that. I think I read that he told a fan at that party thing he had a few months ago? So if 'Stug' is suddenly back on then either Kieron wasn't being entirely truthful or Hollyoaks is making this crap up as they go along. Personally I believe it's the latter....
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 25, 2013 15:22:15 GMT -5
"Making this up as they go." Ding Ding Ding Sadly, I've seen much more development between Darren and Sienna, within the past four weeks, then what has been developed for Doug, Ste, JP, George, Vincent, Esther AND Tilly combined on Hollyoaks. Almost everything that can further develop these "beats" for the Doug, JP and Ste characters ALWAYS seems to happen off screen. I know they have gay males on the writing staff, but this is the same mode of operating that's been the standard of these storylines surrounding gay characters for years. It's the same cycle. At times, I do think the writers come up with crap, to see if it sticks to the wall and catches with the audience. Yeah, I don't think there's any long term character development going on at all here, unless the plan was to have all the gay characters going round and round in circles, forever pining for their exs. And speaking of 'going around in circles' the new JP spoilers are pathetic. The episode after he tells Doug that he loves him and gets rejected, Waveguide states that 'John Paul discovers an exciting distraction at work'. Well the new spoilers suggest that that distraction is JP's new love interest, the new drama teacher. So literally the day after confessing his 'love' for Doug JP is 'distracting' himself with a new bloke?! Pretty much confirms that I was right not to believe in JP's 'love'. Why do the writers have no imagination when it comes to storyline for JP? It's just one love interest after another, all of whom we know he would dump in heartbeat if Craig ever returned (again). What's the point?I was sure I had read that somewhere, but then I couldn't find it anywhere. I really, really hope Kieron is right about that. I think I read that he told a fan at that party thing he had a few months ago? So if 'Stug' is suddenly back on then either Kieron wasn't being entirely truthful or Hollyoaks is making this crap up as they go along. Personally I believe it's the latter.... To string gullible viewers into continuing to hope that Craig (as portrayed by Guy Burnet) will come back. That there's still "hope" for Stug and that in some small, sad and pining belief that Brendan Brady will return to "save" Ste. It's great that Hollyoaks has no problem in having more than one gay character existing in their fictional town and isn't scared off of making those characters sleep around with as much lack of discretion as their fictional straight counterparts. What gets me, is that there's no followup with what these characters go through. JP feels that he's in a sane place, emotionally and mentally to fall for a new guy, days after being dumped by Doug? As much, as he's termed the "mature McQueen", he's just like Theresa and Mercedes, in that he's quick to jump into bed with the next guy that strikes his fancy. He's just not that desperate enough to try and kill those men that reject him OR want them dead. Doug, seems to have a "use me/treat me like crap" sign on his back one minute and then the next, he seems to show signs of self worth. Ste's just been battered too much, because he's not even understanding that his behavior is continuing to cause madness and chaos in his life. George is just afraid of everything and has been burnt by trusting the wrong dude. Vincent, can only trust one girl, who has a go nowhere crush on him Then, there's the cute lesbians that are off more than they've been on.
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Post by dio on Jun 25, 2013 15:51:29 GMT -5
who is playing this Danny Lomax fellow? The lack of infoes is leading me to believe he's another prop character. And that's one of the issues with many of the characters on HO, right now, especially Doug - they're props that are being used as such, but fans/viewers are getting heavily invested in them for whatever reason.
backfiring all over the place. LOL
JP's return desperately needs some non-relationship-slanted direction. HO needs to stop shoehorning 'love' into every encounter JP has with a prospect. Let stuff develop naturally.
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Post by Zathras on Jun 25, 2013 19:24:11 GMT -5
So ... is this supposed to be the big new storyline for JP? A new romance with Danny? I hope not. Maybe they'll make it have more drama than just a romance. In the mean time, I hope Doug stays away from Ste (and vice versa). But based on past history I doubt it. Oh, and what is that thing about Ste & his mom? Why do I have bad flashbacks to Aaron from Emmerdale when I read that?
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Post by dio on Jun 25, 2013 20:35:40 GMT -5
So ... is this supposed to be the big new storyline for JP? A new romance with Danny? I hope not. Maybe they'll make it have more drama than just a romance. In the mean time, I hope Doug stays away from Ste (and vice versa). But based on past history I doubt it. Oh, and what is that thing about Ste & his mom? Why do I have bad flashbacks to Aaron from Emmerdale when I read that? considering how JP keeps falling in 'love' very suddenly w/ guys and then screwing them over, on some level, I'm thinking JP's due for a fatal attraction SL... maybe, he 'falls' for Danny, and then Doug comes 'round all 'OK, JP... I love you too!!' and JP unceremoniously dumps Danny, but Danny's not feeling it? And he starts stalking JP, and then kills Doug or something? LOL i mean HO does tend to go for amusing irony sometimes, so it would not surprise me if JP dating the drama teacher leads to major DRAMA for JP...
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