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Post by morgain on Jun 17, 2014 2:29:30 GMT -5
Is this what's been happening?!?!
ANOTHER abuse story..... Not that I think it isn't a relevant issue or necessary but can't they think of something else to create drama in a relationship?!?! The fact that I am actually getting tired of abuse stories is a little horrifying to me. I don't want to ever feel desensitised to something so destructive too so many people.
I will see how it goes before I commit to watching it I think.. If they handle the aftermath well I will dive back in.
.... Maybe they could go with an amnesia story instead...
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 18, 2014 11:34:52 GMT -5
In all fairness, very few soap characters are meant for happiness. The path the story of Lucas and Menno has taken is disappointing in some ways, yes, and difficult to get into, but I think the show had good intentions. Spouse abuse is a big problem and people generally don't think about it happening with gay couples. But it does. I imagine the writers weighed the downside of having Lucas take a beating yet again versus the benefit of telling this story and decided to tell it anyway. With Menno becoming abusive, at least now we can understand why the writers have made Lucas so immature and annoying all season long - it was to push Menno over the edge and create the abusive relationship drama. And there is a LOT of drama in the scenes that Mark has yet to translate.
So lately I've been catching up on all the episodes and have finally finished. My Dutch is not very good, but I can often figure out generally what is being discussed in the scenes. I think the story is worth being told and worth viewing. I hope Mark eventually subs the remaining episodes. The difficult part is that Lucas does get badly beaten a few times. But there's a flip side - an up side - to the story, which is that it is just as much a story about how Noud rescues Lucas from this bad situation. It's very uplifting seeing Noud be such a true and caring friend. For Loud fans like myself, this makes the story VERY watchable because first of all we gets TONS of Lucas-Noud scenes and also this is the most dramatic presentation yet of just how strong their friendship is and how very, very much Noud cares about Lucas. It's the biggest story line the two have had together since Lucas' first season and I have to admit that because of that I love it.
Another good aspect of the story is the acting. Ferry, Ruud and Dave do a FANTASTIC job in some very tough scenes - especially Ferry, who has to portray all the layers of fear, heartbreak, sorrow and anxiety. I thought the writers did a good job of portraying what it's like to be trapped in an abusive relationship - to live in fear of the person you paradoxically love. I know most of us would have preferred to see Lucas in a loving relationship, but at least GTST is avoiding all the boring blandness that DOOL has created for Will and Sonny. TV shows are about drama and this story does generate quite a lot of very well done drama.
In a day or so I'm going to post a pictorial montage with commentary that visually portrays the scenes that Mark hasn't had time to get to. If you're a Loud fan, I think you'll really enjoy it.
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Post by LadyArmand on Jun 18, 2014 13:19:06 GMT -5
I’ve been watching as well even though I don’t speak Dutch, but I have been able to glean the direction of the conversations. I agree the acting by Dave, Ferry and Roud has been spectacular, especially Ferry who has had the most difficult emotional reactions to play. As well as conveying how very much he loves Menno and wants this all to work out. And while I didn’t see Noud as “rescuing’ Lucas, I did see him as showing why he is Lucas’ best friend, how he picked up on things in Lucas’ behavior that even his own family didn’t. How he kept on Lucas until he finally admitted what was going on.
I know some people are put off by this storyline because it once again has Lucas being hit. But in recent years we have seen abusive storylines regarding gay couples that in many ways have made light of it by devolving into insipid writing that was just insulting not only to the actors playing the roles, the audience watching but as well as being completely dismissive of the issue of relationship abuse itself (cough...Hollyoaks...cough). I’m sorry but I’d rather see a good piece of storytelling on a very difficult issue than watch another in a long line of cheating storylines or an abusive storyline that doesn’t really show the abuse both mental and physical takes a toll on both people in the relationship. I also disagree that Lucas’ abuse had to do with how “immature and annoying” some people thought the character had been written in this past season, to say that to me in many ways blames him for being abused. I think from what I could understand the show has done a very good job at showing that this is Menno’s problem, these are his personal issues and his alone to fix. Lucas cannot love him better or fix this for him. Lucas is not to blame for this and I think that is what I loved best about Noud’s intervention, is that he wanted Lucas to realize that he couldn’t do this alone, he needed help just as much as Menno. I also loved that while Janine, Noud and Nina wanted Lucas to be safe and healthy they also wanted to make sure that Menno got the help he needs to take control of the situation and not have the situation constantly take control of him to where he is physically and mentally hurting the person he loves most in the world.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 18, 2014 13:38:28 GMT -5
Yes, LadyArmand, this story is done MUCH better than the one on Holly Oaks. It might be my very Noud-centric viewpoint that made me view the story as "Noud rescues Lucas." That is the aspect of the story that drew my interest and focus and probably made it easier for me to deal with seeing Lucas suffer so badly. I do think Noud has a heroic role in the story. It's his alertness and intervention that puts an end to the horrible abuse Lucas was enduring. I'm curious about how others see it.
I don't think Lucas being annoying means he's to blame for the abuse, but it did portray how Menno devolved from being a highly respectable, high integrity person to being a bully. I think the writers wanted to explore the issue of blame. Menno found Lucas highly annoying. Frankly, Lucas was very immature and annoying all season. His thoughtless immaturity created a tangled mess of sh*t that all came raining down on Menno, eventually making Menno lose his job, which he loved. Until the moment when Menno first hit Lucas, Lucas was the one at fault, the one who had a LOT to make up for. But once Menno crossed that line and hit Lucas, everything changed. I think the writers wanted the audience to find Lucas annoying and be disgusted by his childish, reckless behavior (I know I was) and then pull the rug out from beneath them by having Menno cross the line and scramble all their assumptions.
It happens a lot unfortunately that the victim gets blamed in situations involving abuse. Why this is so, I'm not sure. Perhaps people are conditioned to look down on weakness. With this story line, I think the writers played a game with the audience. They set the audience up so that they were all disgusted with the mess irresponsible Lucas had created for mature, responsible public servant, Menno, then forced them to abruptly re-evaluate what they were thinking/feeling. They wanted to show how nobody deserves such awful abuse even if they have been behaving in a less than acceptable way. It's a difficult balancing act when writing. This is what puts GTST above the other soaps because you just don't get writing with that kind of subtlety and complexity on the other soaps.
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Post by LadyArmand on Jun 18, 2014 15:31:49 GMT -5
Yes, LadyArmand, this story is done MUCH better than the one on Holly Oaks. It might be my very Noud-centric viewpoint that made me view the story as "Noud rescues Lucas." That is the aspect of the story that drew my interest and focus and probably made it easier for me to deal with seeing Lucas suffer so badly. I do think Noud has a heroic role in the story. It's his alertness and intervention that puts an end to the horrible abuse Lucas was enduring. I'm curious about how others see it. I don't think Lucas being annoying means he's to blame for the abuse, but it did portray how Menno devolved from being a highly respectable, high integrity person to being a bully. I think the writers wanted to explore the issue of blame. Menno found Lucas highly annoying. Frankly, Lucas was very immature and annoying all season. His thoughtless immaturity created a tangled mess of sh*t that all came raining down on Menno, eventually making Menno lose his job, which he loved. Until the moment when Menno first hit Lucas, Lucas was the one at fault, the one who had a LOT to make up for. But once Menno crossed that line and hit Lucas, everything changed. I think the writers wanted the audience to find Lucas annoying and be disgusted by his childish, reckless behavior (I know I was) and then pull the rug out from beneath them by having Menno cross the line and scramble all their assumptions. It happens a lot unfortunately that the victim gets blamed in situations involving abuse. Why this is so, I'm not sure. Perhaps people are conditioned to look down on weakness. With this story line, I think the writers played a game with the audience. They set the audience up so that they were all disgusted with the mess irresponsible Lucas had created for mature, responsible public servant, Menno, then forced them to abruptly re-evaluate what they were thinking/feeling. They wanted to show how nobody deserves such awful abuse even if they have been behaving in a less than acceptable way. It's a difficult balancing act when writing. This is what puts GTST above the other soaps because you just don't get writing with that kind of subtlety and complexity on the other soaps. I agree with you that people love playing the blame game. Why don’t they just leave is often one that pops out of people’s mouths without understanding how complicated things can get. Lucas fell hard for Menno and he did so at a time when he thought (as Janine voiced at the wedding reception) at a time when he felt he could never love anyone as much as he loved Edwin. That’s huge. Add to this that Lucas has screwed up and I think part of him blamed himself and therefore thought he deserved what was happening to him. As crazy as this may sound to people, this is something that happens all the time in real life where the victim blames themselves, and questions constantly “if only I had said this. If only I hadn’t done that. It only happened because I made him made. I know what he’s like and I pushed him anyway.” There are also two other components that people tend to forget, one is fear of leaving and what will happen if they leave (which I don’t think Lucas had gotten to yet) and the one that is most relevant to this set of circumstances, his love for Menno and knowing that despite the violence, Menno truly loves him. Nothing about abusive relationships is a black and white as some people want to make it. There are all kinds of horrid shades of gray. Sometimes (as in this case) it takes a friend/family risking rejection to stand up and hold a mirror up to you so that you can see not only your physical scars but your mental ones as well before you do something. And just for the record it wasn’t just Noud (whose part in this was significant and I don’t take any of that away from him) but it was also Janine and Nina. And even then GTST did something unusual for a soap, they didn’t just vilify Menno which would have been the easy way out. It wasn’t just about getting Lucas out and getting him help it was about also trying to help Menno. It was about acknowledging that Lucas loves him and they have grown to love him and they know that he loves Lucas and needs help.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 18, 2014 17:08:47 GMT -5
Yeah, the very mature and sophisticated way the show treated Menno is unusual - at least from my American perspective. Even after they'd witness some horrifying things Menno did to Lucas, both Noud and Janine treat Menno with surprising compassion in later scenes. He's viewed as a person with an illness that can potentially be treated. That reveals a big difference between Dutch culture and other cultures, I think. The same story presented on a U.S. show would portray Menno in a much more black and white way. He'd be portrayed as a monster pure and simple and while some hints about why he was that way might be allowed, they wouldn't be explored and the emphasis would be on Menno getting punished, not treated. The U.S. version of the story would likely conclude with Noud, who naturally has a concealed weapon permit, whipping out his handgun and blowing Menno away as he's about to strike Lucas again.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 18, 2014 18:24:50 GMT -5
Yes, LadyArmand, this story is done MUCH better than the one on Holly Oaks. It might be my very Noud-centric viewpoint that made me view the story as "Noud rescues Lucas." That is the aspect of the story that drew my interest and focus and probably made it easier for me to deal with seeing Lucas suffer so badly. I do think Noud has a heroic role in the story. It's his alertness and intervention that puts an end to the horrible abuse Lucas was enduring. I'm curious about how others see it. I don't think Lucas being annoying means he's to blame for the abuse, but it did portray how Menno devolved from being a highly respectable, high integrity person to being a bully. I think the writers wanted to explore the issue of blame. Menno found Lucas highly annoying. Frankly, Lucas was very immature and annoying all season. His thoughtless immaturity created a tangled mess of sh*t that all came raining down on Menno, eventually making Menno lose his job, which he loved. Until the moment when Menno first hit Lucas, Lucas was the one at fault, the one who had a LOT to make up for. But once Menno crossed that line and hit Lucas, everything changed. I think the writers wanted the audience to find Lucas annoying and be disgusted by his childish, reckless behavior (I know I was) and then pull the rug out from beneath them by having Menno cross the line and scramble all their assumptions. It happens a lot unfortunately that the victim gets blamed in situations involving abuse. Why this is so, I'm not sure. Perhaps people are conditioned to look down on weakness. With this story line, I think the writers played a game with the audience. They set the audience up so that they were all disgusted with the mess irresponsible Lucas had created for mature, responsible public servant, Menno, then forced them to abruptly re-evaluate what they were thinking/feeling. They wanted to show how nobody deserves such awful abuse even if they have been behaving in a less than acceptable way. It's a difficult balancing act when writing. This is what puts GTST above the other soaps because you just don't get writing with that kind of subtlety and complexity on the other soaps. Just because Lucas was "immature", it shouldn't at all factor into why Menno started to abuse him. That's a fault in Menno, in how he cannot react with dealing with "immaturity" without beating someone up. Just wanted to point that fact out. No victim should be "at fault" for "making" someone, who's supposed to love them, end up abusing them. I really want people to know this.
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Post by LadyArmand on Jun 18, 2014 20:56:34 GMT -5
What I don’t like about the whole maturity argument is that it implies that Lucas who is in his early to mid-twenties should have everything all figured out. And while there are those who are in their early twenties who do act and are more mature than Lucas has been of late, that in no way gives Menno a pass for hitting him. Yes, Lucas did some stupid things. Yes he was irresponsible and needs to mature more. But Menno knew this about him going in, and kept coming back for more; even packed up is life and moved to be with Lucas knowing that Lucas could at spoiled and childish. To me this is less about Lucas being childish and more about Menno using Lucas’ love for him to cure himself. Remember before the wedding Menno’s brother asked him if everything was alright with him now and Menno said that since he had been with Lucas everything was fine. That to me suggests that one, Menno has a previous relationship in which he got violent with someone and two that his falling in love with Lucas and more importantly Lucas falling in love with him he took as a cure all.
The problem was that he never dealt with the underlying issues and instead buried them under his feelings for Lucas until they came bursting out in the most horrific way possible. The first time he hit Lucas was a much a surprise to Menno as it was it Lucas and the audience. Lucas’ reaction was one of utter shock, he didn’t even register the pain of being hit at first what was more in his mind was that he was even hit. And then when Menno went to get ice to put on Lucas’ face, his body reacted before his mind did and he jumped back in fear of what Menno was going to do next. Unlike most of these stories where it is very easy to hate the abuser, GTST did something different in which you saw that his acts of violence always shocked him. He was more than apologetic he was horrified by what he’d done but was completely unable to stop himself.
None of this excuses what he did, but it makes this abuse story different in that there is more layering to it. Menno isn’t just a villain, he’s not being treated by those who know and love Lucas as the enemy but as someone who needs and is actively seeking help. It isn’t about love conquering all and fixing Menno and his violence through Lucas’ love. It’s about how they both deal with what has happened and the ramifications of what has happened. Just because Menno is getting the help he needs, doesn’t mean that everything is going to be okay. From what I’ve seen so far no one has suggested that Lucas get any help in dealing with all of this. Everyone seems to assume that he’s fine and I think that is far from being true. I think his family and friends and even to some extent Menno is only seeing that the physical wounds have healed but I don’t think anyone has taken into account the physiological effects this has had on Lucas.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 19, 2014 7:34:01 GMT -5
Some screen captures from the story: Menno's anger at Lucas goes off the scale. Noud can't believe what he's witnessing. Later that evening Noud hears intense violence happening in Lucas and Menno's room. Menno's reaction to beating Lucas. Noud begins paying close attention to what's going on between Lucas and Menno. Menno realizes that Noud is a threat. Lucas collapses and is attended to by Janine and - of all people - Ludo. He tells everyone his injury is from an accident he had in the gym. A weird and ironic moment. Lucas is in the hospital to have his wound from Menno's beating looked at by... Anton, who beat him far worse a few years earlier. Noud knows what's going on, but can't get anything but denials and lies from Lucas. Nina sees through Lucas' lies and realizes Noud's concerns are well-founded. Janine is shocked by what Noud tells her. Noud, Lucas and his family confront Menno. Noud is horrified by Lucas' wounds. Noud keeps Menno away from Lucas. I like this image because in addition to Noud's fury at Menno we see how pained and upset he is at what's happened to Lucas. After Menno is gone Lucas and Noud go on a date where they confess their love for each other. OK, I made that part up. I don't know what they said to each other in this episode actually, but it could have been that, right?
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Post by dalphine on Jun 19, 2014 9:39:25 GMT -5
Hawthorne...thanks for the scene caps. I have gave up on the storyline since there's no subbing anymore. I can see the show, but for me I need to know what's being said. Maybe I'll come back when Mark starts subbing again.
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Post by spherical07 on Jun 20, 2014 20:23:13 GMT -5
Love that Noud saw the signs and spoke up. This is part of the reason they do these types of storylines, because people need to speak out when things like this are happening to people. I haven't been able to keep up since Mark has been busy, but I've been reading the comments and looking at these pictures are sad, especially that one of Lucas with a bloody face. I also loved the idea of Lucas and Noud on a date, but in the long run I'd rather that they remain friends . I just hope that after this story that Ferry/Lucas is no longer part of an abusive storyline (because he's had more than his fair share), and that they show Lucas going through a healing process.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 21, 2014 22:19:01 GMT -5
Here are some more pictures from Noud and Lucas' "date." It wasn't really a date, of course. Lucas and Noud are not headed towards a romance. Nor will they ever be, I think, since Noud is 100% straight. I'm OK with that. I love their friendship. Neither one has a brother and I think they've sort of become each other's brother. It definitely feels like more of a family connection between them now than just two guys who are buddies. Noud really sets a great example of how a straight guy can be close to a gay guy. Noud doesn't relate at all to any of the gay aspects of Lucas' life, but he wholly accepts Lucas. The only way there could be a romance between Noud and Lucas is if they made some big changes to the character of Noud and that would be a shame since he's so wonderful as he is. Noud and Lucas attend a Jersey Boys rehearsal with Rikki and Wiet. Apparently Noud intends it as a surprise for Lucas. Lucas is surprised and thrilled since he's a big fan. Lots of smiles and enjoyment - a rarity on GTST. Lucas says something that suggests he doesn't consider things are over with Menno. Noud isn't happy to hear that. (Not because he wants Lucas for himself, but because of what Menno has done.) There is actually a lot of intimacy between Noud and Lucas in this episode. They're both relishing their friendship. This episode was created with people like me in mind. Lucas buys Noud a drink and pays him an enormous compliment. Noud is flattered in a cute, embarrassed way. Sweet scene. Lucas actually sings in this episode. He does a brief passage of a song with the cast of Jersey Boys. Unlike in an episode from a previous season where Ferry portrayed Lucas as being a terrible singer, this time Ferry lets loose with his own voice and sounds great. Noud enjoys it. Some of the love songs being rehearsed make Lucas think of his own romantic situation and he feels sad. Noud recognizes this. Latter on Lucas makes Noud think he's about to kiss him on the mouth... ...but instead kisses him on the cheek. They both have a good laugh at this. Foreshadowing? Probably not. So actually ... it is kind of a date - a friendship date. They are special to each other and I'm glad that their relationship has been reinforced within the show.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 22, 2014 8:30:20 GMT -5
Of course, it's great that the show is featuring Noud being there for Lucas during this time.
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Post by spherical07 on Jun 23, 2014 14:49:58 GMT -5
That looked like a cute date, Noud is such a great friend for Lucas. I'd never want Noud to be a romantic interest for Lucas, because if things didn't work out that would likely ruin the friendship. Noud and Lucas are very close and intimate at times, but I think its that way for guys in most countries with their very best friends, except here in the States (at least in public view).
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Post by spherical07 on Jun 23, 2014 14:50:12 GMT -5
That looked like a cute date, Noud is such a great friend for Lucas. I'd never want Noud to be a romantic interest for Lucas, because if things didn't work out that would likely ruin the friendship. Noud and Lucas are very close and intimate at times, but I think its that way for guys in most countries with their very best friends, except here in the States (at least in public view).
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 24, 2014 6:52:15 GMT -5
That looked like a cute date, Noud is such a great friend for Lucas. I'd never want Noud to be a romantic interest for Lucas, because if things didn't work out that would likely ruin the friendship. Noud and Lucas are very close and intimate at times, but I think its that way for guys in most countries with their very best friends, except here in the States (at least in public view). Has there ever been any inclination from TPTB to have Noud and Lucas' friendship turn into a romance? Is it really that odd to show a close, warm and loving friendship between two guys that happen to be heterosexual and homosexual?
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Post by spherical07 on Jun 24, 2014 15:30:40 GMT -5
That looked like a cute date, Noud is such a great friend for Lucas. I'd never want Noud to be a romantic interest for Lucas, because if things didn't work out that would likely ruin the friendship. Noud and Lucas are very close and intimate at times, but I think its that way for guys in most countries with their very best friends, except here in the States (at least in public view). Has there ever been any inclination from TPTB to have Noud and Lucas' friendship turn into a romance? Is it really that odd to show a close, warm and loving friendship between two guys that happen to be heterosexual and homosexual? I never said that they would turn Lucas and Noud into a couple, I just stated an opinion on the matter. I do not find it odd that two guys who are friends (I don't care what their sexual preferences are) would be close and loving, which if you'd bother to actually read what I said, you would see that I stated it only seems to be an issue here in the States. Other cultures are very close and intimate with friends, Americans tend to not be as close, again my opinion.
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Post by morgain on Jun 26, 2014 6:58:33 GMT -5
I think if there was going to be anything it would have happened before now. I have to admit I really like them as good friends!!
Looking over this sl it looks like a good one to watch not like some of the ones that have been shown before. I would watch this once it's subbed. I agree that a sl like this would need to be understood properly!
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Post by lies on Jun 26, 2014 14:05:23 GMT -5
Pity to see the Mark hasnt been able to send any updates, I always enjoyed reading the reflections on the story here. So just to share and keep you updated: the storyline finishes this week. Menno realises he needs more distance from Lucas to learn to control his temper and takes a job in Germany. Lucas goes to stay with his father while Ferry has his three month break. Although I would have prefered Lucas to have a long lasting relationship for once, I do appreciate the way the story has been told. They show Menno's love and care for Lucas underneath the violence and they got a very loving goodbye.
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Post by morgain on Jun 26, 2014 16:58:33 GMT -5
Pity to see the Mark hasnt been able to send any updates, I always enjoyed reading the reflections on the story here. So just to share and keep you updated: the storyline finishes this week. Menno realises he needs more distance from Lucas to learn to control his temper and takes a job in Germany. Lucas goes to stay with his father while Ferry has his three month break. Although I would have prefered Lucas to have a long lasting relationship for once, I do appreciate the way the story has been told. They show Menno's love and care for Lucas underneath the violence and they got a very loving goodbye. Wow! I am so glad they dealt with this story with true empathy. It shows that people can change but the very true reality that sometimes it isn't enough. That love isn't enough. I remember hearing that in a movie called life as a house. I loved it's soon as I heard it. Forget castles in the sky and happily ever afters. Our reality is in a relationship we are chaotic and messy and infinitely wonderful! I might see if someone has down subtitling in another language and translate it from there!
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Post by lies on Jun 27, 2014 1:53:19 GMT -5
I might see if someone has down subtitling in another language and translate it from there! Mark says he will catch up eventually, I dont want to ( and don't think I could) step in his place, however if you need translation of a specific scene Im willing to help out for now.
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Post by dalphine on Jun 28, 2014 23:04:24 GMT -5
lies...can you translate what was going on in Wednesday and Thursday esp between Lucas and Menno. Can you answer these questions for me? Is Lucas and Menno leaving seperately and is it time for there characters 3 months vacation, and did they have them leaving together so they could return at the same time. Thanks if you can help me out on this.
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Post by lies on Jun 29, 2014 3:13:43 GMT -5
lies...can you translate what was going on in Wednesday and Thursday esp between Lucas and Menno. Can you answer these questions for me? Is Lucas and Menno leaving seperately and is it time for there characters 3 months vacation, and did they have them leaving together so they could return at the same time. Thanks if you can help me out on this. In answer to your questions: they both leave in the thursday episode, but not together. I understand it is time for Ferry's three month break. And there is an exit interview from Dave on the site, so he is not coming back. Dave said in the interview that Menno still loves Lucas so there is enough reason for him to return at some point. But for now it seems Menno is really gone and Lucas will return in a few months on his own. I will try to translate later.
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Post by dalphine on Jun 29, 2014 9:05:22 GMT -5
Thanks for answering my questions and translating what went on. I hate that the character of Menno is leaving. When will they ever give Lucas a permanent partner. As a viewer, I feel I waste my time watching them give him a love interest and get attach and they keep getting Real of them. So I think I will drop this Soap. I might still check in now and then maybe.
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Post by lies on Jun 29, 2014 16:31:44 GMT -5
since I think the scene's on wednesday are most meaningful and beatiful so I made a translation, the rest is just a quick summary:
So on episode of Monday Menno walks in on Lucas with another man. He is frustrated because he says to be very hard working on himself to save the marriage and asks if that is still possible. In the hotel he tries to phone his therapist but as he cant reach that he panics and breaks down the hotel room (impressive scene). When Laura is alarmed Menno concludes he has to leave Meerdijk and distance from Lucas. On Wednesdayin preview lucas goes to Menno saying that it didn’t mean anything with the other boy, he only wants Menno. Menno says he goes to Oberhausen on his own (job offer he got a few weeks earlier. They were thinking about going there together before Noud and Janine stepped in, because Lucas was only trying to keep Menno from being angry again) First scene: L: alone? but what about us, is this because of Casper? M: also, but not only L: you know me, sometimes something happens and then I don’t think and I do stupid things. But honey, we all act stupid sometimes M: I understand why you did this, and that’s why… L: Im sorry, 1000 times M: that’s sweet but not necessary L: yes it is. And apart from all, Im so proud of you, that you kept calm, when you saw me with him. If I saw you with someone I would have killed the guy. You are angry, I get that, but you kept calm, so Im proud of you. The therapy works and I will help you. M: Look around, most has been cleaned already. I’m not allowed to stay here, even if I wanted to L: But why Oberhausen, closer is also possible, I want to help you, really. You don’t have to go abroad M: This isn’t because of you. I won’t manage like this. I have to go
L; I said I am sorry. M: and I said its not about that L: so how should this continue, how can we work on our relationship if you are in Germany? M: I don’t know, but this isn’t working either L: nothing happened with that boy, you saw it all, a bit flirting and kissing, that’s all M: I cant do this, I cant be here and see you. I have to work on myself, I have to focus and I cant do that while Im here L: so you choose for yourself? M: no also for you L: for me? Fuck off man. I love you. I try to help you. I had to take so much from you and now you run away.
L: I didn’t mean it like that M:you did, and you can say everything, after what I did to you, you have that right L: I don’t want you to go M: I don’t go because I want to. I have to. You know why I fell in love with you. You are impulsive. You do everything you want to without shame or feeling sorry. You enjoy. I am always thinking, about everything, all the time. Only when I get angry, than I stop thinking and just hit everything L: I don’t care, you don’t do that on purpose M: I need control. But if Im here with you… I want to be with you. I want to laugh with you, about us together. We made a promise to each other when we got married. L: it is okay I will help you M: it isn’t okay. I want to fight for us, but Im all the time, all the time struggling myself. And Im afraid all the time for myself, for what I do to you, for what I will do to you. Every time if Im angry, or if Im afraid to lose you than… I see everything again, from the past. Pain, fear, feeling blame. It is too much. L: so what do you want now? M: I don’t know how long it will take for me to be done with my therapy L: that’s okay M: I don’t know if it will ever be done L: But honey, we are doing okay now, we are talking, we listen M: it seems that way but. It isn’t, it doesn’t feel right. You are my big love. Do you believe that? I really want to work on us, but L: so this means you want to go?
M: I love you L: I know. And that’s why I know you have to go. Do what you have to do M: will you do that as well? Enjoy your life. You can do that L: never forget this
Thursday Lucas asked Janine and Maxime to meet him in toko. Janine and Nina assume Lucas and Menno had a fight, but lucas explains he and Menno spent the night together as a goodbye. I liked to see how Lucas is supported by family and Noud, but after the explanation they are also understanding and respectful to menno. Menno has a present for Lucas to be opened after he leaves, but Lucas cant wait, it says: Always in my heart.
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