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Post by Duskysoda on Jun 5, 2011 21:07:42 GMT -5
Am I condemned? i dont' know if smile or not after this However what change in the wonderful Fervid's story the presence or not of sex-scenes? nothing for me (even i'd like to see this intimate scenes;but i can survive). And saying to A3 that is coward is not fair;we have to thank A3 and FoQ's stuff to give us this wonderful story for more than 2 years (with Fervid becoming an A-story in these last 2 season);Antena 3 is a channel television whose audience is not only formed by gay people;so they have to care about all the audiance and not of a part of it;and today in our society there is a part of the people that have problem to see 2 men having sex;so i can understand if is Antena 3 to cut this kind of scene (always if is antena 3 to do this);and i have said that for me Adrian and Javier have no problems to shoot this kind of scenes,but maybe i'm wrong and they are embarrased to shoot something like this:And don't say to me that if this is the truth then Adrian and Javier are not good actors,because we know that they are great. So i think that we have to be content for what we had.People are never satisfied. Not you.... FOQ,,, you misunderstood because English is not your 1st language. Adri and Javi are both fine actors....FOQ failed in my view.
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Post by antisen on Jun 5, 2011 22:01:42 GMT -5
I think it's something the directors would have liked, but were not able to get pass Antena 3.
I heard somewhere (I think from some post on this forums, i'm not exactly sure) that they had intended for Irene to be a male, and the teacher-student storyline to be a homosexual relationship. But they had to change it to a heterosexual one.
It's also why I think Jorge's character did not work out. They probably had to tone him down a lot to get past A3.
Adri and Jav obviously have no problems with intimacy from what we've seen so far. But yet again, A3 probably had issues with graphic same sex scenes.
So as jos87 mentioned, it's not something to blame anyone over. The sad reality is that there are a lot of people around the world who aren't ready to watch such things casually.
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Post by Shiny on Jun 6, 2011 2:21:51 GMT -5
Does anyone know the song from the latest promo?
The main song theme sounds to me like "Move on".
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Post by bahnree on Jun 6, 2011 2:25:45 GMT -5
I've been trying to figure that out too. The chorus sounds like "Get up, get out, get on," and then "Move up, move out, move on."
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Post by firens on Jun 6, 2011 7:13:59 GMT -5
I think it's something the directors would have liked, but were not able to get pass Antena 3. I heard somewhere (I think from some post on this forums, i'm not exactly sure) that they had intended for Irene to be a male, and the teacher-student storyline to be a homosexual relationship. But they had to change it to a heterosexual one. It's also why I think Jorge's character did not work out. They probably had to tone him down a lot to get past A3. Adri and Jav obviously have no problems with intimacy from what we've seen so far. But yet again, A3 probably had issues with graphic same sex scenes. So as jos87 mentioned, it's not something to blame anyone over. The sad reality is that there are a lot of people around the world who aren't ready to watch such things casually. Yes, I think it's helpful to remember that interview from last year I translated (one month ago), with Carlos Ruano, one of the two head writers and screenplay coordinators with Jaime Vaca, who was on the team from Day One and took over from Carlos Montero, the show's creator and head writer for the first three seasons. Javier Calvo also reminded us during his video chat that Carlos Montero was the one who had written the first ever gay (male) love story on a Spanish TV show, that of teenagers Santi and Rubén on Al salir de clase, that we mentioned on the General thread not long ago (and there is little doubt this is where Julio's brother's name comes from). So, yes, the affair between a young teacher and an underage student was supposed to be a gay one, and that wasn't vetted by the channel: Antena 3 asked that the gay teacher be turned into a female. The question, then, is: is this how Fer was born? That is, if Isaac had been a gay boy, who obviously was liberated enough to wear a tattoo on his ass and go to clubs and bars and pick up/get picked up by a gay man in his twenties and fall in love with him, would we also have had a shy, closeted, awkward boy who was silently in love with one of his classmates and was devastated enough by that boy's suicide to find the courage to come out? It was also in that interview that Ruano pointed out it was impossible to make Queer as Folk or The L Word in Spain, simply because there was not a niche cable audience large enough to make such a venture viable. Instead of which, they had to create and subvert a mainstream teen show, take it and silently and sneakily (ah, the gay agenda ;D) turn it into a teen show whose main love story was and is a gay love story between two heroic and yet very realistic gay teenagers. "Graphic" sex/love scenes between two men on mainstream TV (as opposed to cable, pay-TV, etc...) remain a problem pretty much everywhere, simply because this brings up the bogeyman of anal sex/buggery. Even in the liberal Netherlands, and even keeping a clear focus (so to speak ;D) on oral sex, GTST got into trouble with part of the viewers, who made their hostility known. The only counter-example I am aware of is that of the original Queer as Folk on Channel 4, whose first episode brought us rimming as foreplay to the deflowering of a minor. And that was absolutely essential to the story being told. Now, is it any different for Fer and David than it was for, say, Kevin and Scotty, who remain, in my view, the best-written (and acted) gay couple on US TV? That is, does the absence of actual sex scenes take anything from the representation of that relationship? (And one of the reasons I'm bringing up Brothers & Sisters is that both shows joked about the impossibility of the gay lovers ever actually having sex on camera (see, "Sarah interruptus").) Do we ever believe they are just mates as opposed to boyfriends, or man and man? I don't think so.
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Post by jos87 on Jun 6, 2011 7:25:45 GMT -5
So as jos87 mentioned, it's not something to blame anyone over. The sad reality is that there are a lot of people around the world who aren't ready to watch such things casually. exactly.This is what i wanted to say related to the fact that Fer and David had no sex-scenes. And it's a pity that this society is not ready to see two men (or women) having sex,even in the most advanced countries (i can't imagine what would happen here in Italy with something like this).And this is the reason i don't condemn antena3 for the absence of this love-sex scenes in Fervid's story. Queer as folk was different even because was a show destined especially to gay people;FoQ has a different public. I didn't know that Irene originally was thought as a boy;but i'm happy of this antena 3 decision because in this way they could create Fer and Fervid ;D
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Post by Duskysoda on Jun 6, 2011 10:30:05 GMT -5
It's quite clear Fer and David are in love,, are boyfriends. That is an obvious fact to point. That is not an issue in FOQ at all unlike in the disastrous Emmerdale storyline. But the fact is FOQ treats hetero and homo storylines differently on the show and they should be condemned for it. Of course,, I'm still in an angry mood over Fer's death and the decision to go down that path so I'm probably looking for other areas to vent my anger but so be it.
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Post by Liana on Jun 6, 2011 11:17:11 GMT -5
omg David kissing another guy
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Post by benben88 on Jun 6, 2011 12:10:29 GMT -5
Oh well ... after the inital shock has worn off slightly, another feeling is now getting to me. No matter how much FoQ has twisted my nerves during the last seasons, I just really - really - hate to see it go. There is so much more left to tell, so many roads not taken yet ... *sighs*
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Post by firens on Jun 6, 2011 12:48:53 GMT -5
It's quite clear Fer and David are in love,, are boyfriends. That is an obvious fact to point. That is not an issue in FOQ at all unlike in the disastrous Emmerdale storyline. But the fact is FOQ treats hetero and homo storylines differently on the show and they should be condemned for it. Of course,, I'm still in an angry mood over Fer's death and the decision to go down that path so I'm probably looking for other areas to vent my anger but so be it. I hope you change your mind, simply because what this show and the FerVid story have brought and bring to gay viewers in terms of emotional moments is just too unique. Let me come out here once and for all and say that I've been crying over FerVid scenes ever since I discovered this show. There is something about what the two performers convey, and the way their scenes are written, which gets me every single time. So I must confess, I have a hard time understanding posters here who complain they are now missing the cuddly fun element the couple was to them. But then again, each viewer sees what he or she wants. I just wanted to make clear why, even though this has been and is still extremely painful and heart-breaking, it doesn't seem to me a betrayal at all. Something like this had been in the cards for a long time. Also, whoever pulled the plug on the show at Antena 3 has ironically ensured that FoQ will forever remain Fer's story. Once Fer died, FoQ couldn't survive.
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Post by Shiny on Jun 6, 2011 14:32:49 GMT -5
Also, whoever pulled the plug on the show at Antena 3 has ironically ensured that FoQ will forever remain Fer's story. Once Fer died, FoQ couldn't survive. I couldn’t agree with you more! No Fer, no FoQ and no season 8! That's clear!
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Post by jos87 on Jun 6, 2011 15:38:22 GMT -5
I hope you change your mind, simply because what this show and the FerVid story have brought and bring to gay viewers in terms of emotional moments is just too unique. Let me come out here once and for all and say that I've been crying over FerVid scenes ever since I discovered this show. There is something about what the two performers convey, and the way their scenes are written, which gets me every single time. So I must confess, I have a hard time understanding posters here who complain they are now missing the cuddly fun element the couple was to them. But then again, each viewer sees what he or she wants. I just wanted to make clear why, even though this has been and is still extremely painful and heart-breaking, it doesn't seem to me a betrayal at all. Something like this had been in the cards for a long time. Also, whoever pulled the plug on the show at Antena 3 has ironically ensured that FoQ will forever remain Fer's story. Once Fer died, FoQ couldn't survive. firens i quote every your single word. I feel the same of you about Fervid and FoQ. And i never stop to thank these people(actors,writers and antena 3 too) to give to us this amazing story. Finally, when i knew that Antena 3 cancelled FoQ i was sad;but now with the death of Fer i'm happy of this choice. I like FoQ with all the stories but i loved more Fervid;so without Fervid for me FoQ finish (and i'm sure that even if A3 had confirmed another season ,Adrian would have abandoned the show;because i'm sure that he is not happy about the end of Fervid and as Fervidista [because Adrian and Javier are the first Fervidistas]he never would have accepted to continue FoQ).So i'm sad about this tragic end but at the same time i want to remember all the beautiful love and funny scenes we had in these years. And are stories like this (in this case a pure love story between two teenagers) that can help to change the mentality of the stupid people that have problems with homosexuality.I know that when i will see this last fervista's episode i'll cry but i'm ready for this. I will be a Fervidista para siempre However i will wait tomorrow to see the episode because the commercial breaks are too long. 15 minutes of spots before the beginning of FoQ.How spanish people can tolerate all this breaks.
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Post by bahnree on Jun 6, 2011 21:41:33 GMT -5
My creys are many right now.
I still completely disagree with Fer's death, story-wise, but that was a pretty fantastic episode. So hilarious and so sad at the same time! Like Fer raising his hand in class.
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Post by jos87 on Jun 7, 2011 9:37:20 GMT -5
so from the spoiler (thanks firens) for the last episode of Foq we can see David condemning Jon for Fer's death (and Alvaro is not responsible? but maybe with the little time they had to close all the storylines in only 1 episode they use Alvaro only in Alma's story).However i'm happy to see this kind of reaction from David;is like Fervid will continue in this episode too (and we know that at the end we'll see Fer and David embraced with David that close his eyes like he feels the presence of Fer around him...so romantic!)connected with Yoli and Salva's storyline.Now i'm curious to see how Jon tries to obtain David's forgiveness,especially how he will put his physical integrity at risk.
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 7, 2011 13:35:41 GMT -5
Well, i think the chose of Jon on David storyline is obvious. As you say, they use Alvaro in Alma's one, but the truth is in all the bully storyline Jon was the alpha male and the main guilty of Toño's reaction (well the main guilty was Toño himself, because the truth is that the level of bully he has to endure was a lot less hard than the one Salva had to suffer, and Toño was bullied because he wanted because no Jon and no Alvaro search him to bullied at all, well that's another story). Jon feels guilty (Alvaro not showing his feeling, but he is feeling guilty too), and making his storyline with David gives a closure to Jon, and probably to his relationship with Salva too, because Salva was very close to Fer. In fact right now, the center of all Jon_Salva storylines (Daniela) seems very fan from both of them (Salva showed very little interest in Daniela in the last episode).
Well Jon was the main bully this season, but he was a good guy last one, and he did everything because he felt betrayed. Alvaro is another story, he always had a dark side
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Post by jos87 on Jun 7, 2011 14:33:05 GMT -5
Well, i think the chose of Jon on David storyline is obvious. As you say, they use Alvaro in Alma's one, but the truth is in all the bully storyline Jon was the alpha male and the main guilty of Toño's reaction (well the main guilty was Toño himself, because the truth is that the level of bully he has to endure was a lot less hard than the one Salva had to suffer, and Toño was bullied because he wanted because no Jon and no Alvaro search him to bullied at all, well that's another story). Jon feels guilty (Alvaro not showing his feeling, but he is feeling guilty too), and making his storyline with David gives a closure to Jon, and probably to his relationship with Salva too, because Salva was very close to Fer. In fact right now, the center of all Jon_Salva storylines (Daniela) seems very fan from both of them (Salva showed very little interest in Daniela in the last episode). Well Jon was the main bully this season, but he was a good guy last one, and he did everything because he felt betrayed. Alvaro is another story, he always had a dark side very good analysis. And what you said about Jon and David's storyline in the last chapter (and the connection with Salva too)have a sense. now i'm only trying to imagine how Jon will risk his physical integrity and how the writers are going to close all the stories in only 90 minutes (or something more;maybe being the last episode we'll have a few more minutes)
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Post by firens on Jun 7, 2011 14:38:47 GMT -5
Yes, the difference in characterisation between Jon and Álvaro was kept very clear throughout the buildup to 75. And it's clear the darker character is Álvaro.
There was a very interesting moment in 73 (I translated it for the subtitles a while ago ;D), when the two enter the empty art room, looking for drawing material (Jon has challenged Salva to become the comics designer for the school paper). Jon doesn't feel like trying, as he doesn't know the first thing about drawing, and he only volunteered to annoy Salva and because Álvaro made him do it. So he wonders if he shouldn't let Salva win after all: "Drawing is his whole life". And this he says in a completely non ironic way, so that all of a sudden the whole ambiguous vibe of the Jon-Salva relation from last season is back (or even that strange moment between the two in Jon's dream at the opening of this season). And Álvaro immediately gets very nasty, telling Jon he is going "sentimental". It's like he's gay-baiting him. So of course Jon goes back to bully mode.
All this to say that those characters had a lot of potential still left untaped.
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Post by jos87 on Jun 7, 2011 14:50:02 GMT -5
All this to say that those characters had a lot of potential still left untaped. and that we'll never see. maybe with the exit of Fervid (because like i said Adrian would be leaving FoQ at the end of this season if Antena 3 had not canceled the series and would authorize a new season,because i have the idea that for Adrian, David has sense only with Fer)the writers would developed the relationship between Jon and Salva,that for me has always been ambiguous (even i don't know if we would see a real story between them because Salva is destined to be with Yoli).However i can't imagine FoQ without Fervid;so i can accept the end of the series
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Post by Duskysoda on Jun 7, 2011 22:58:16 GMT -5
Fer's hair seems shorter in the tease for the final episode. It's good to see that on Ghost planet fer has selected a good stylist. I wondered if Fer was a ghost. Javi says no but I kept thinking it's like the American show "The Ghost Whisperer". Where People die but linger on earth for awhile until they deal with unresolved issues AND then they cross over and head to heaven. Hmmm
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Post by firens on Jun 8, 2011 0:23:29 GMT -5
It's probably not that clear-cut, even with the writers. I think that for most of the show, we're supposed to think he's Yoli's vision. Even though there are funny moments when he suddenly disappears and she still expects him to be there. So, she's not entirely in control of her vision's bevahiour. The longer the episode goes on, though, the more Fer takes David's side (including about the famous plaque).
Then we get to the final sequence and something happens. As Yoli moves towards David, Fer disappears abruptly, yet again, and this is very much emphasised by Yoli's attitude. It's as if this time she's really lost him all of a sudden. And when he reappears, once David has understood what he had to do to see him, it is a different Fer. He doesn't speak any more, he just touches David's cheek and kisses him. And once David's memories have been unblocked by that kiss, he doesn't vanish. He walks away and silently bids farewell. I suppose this means what we just saw was really Fer's ghost, as opposed to Yoli's imaginary friend. We know he will return on Monday, at least to David, maybe to others.
David's words in that scene were absolutely sublime, in their simplicity and rawness. And with Adrián's acting, they would have made rocks cry, as we say in French. After Fer's monologue at the end of 75, this confirms the amazing status of that story and that couple. It doesn't make the scandal of Fer's death any less unbearable, quite the opposite. It doesn't make the pain go away, it only makes it worse. This is what we have to deal with, what David is faced with when he says: "He told me he would never leave me." and just after "But why did he go, Yoli? why did he have to go?". There is no answer to those questions.
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Post by jos87 on Jun 8, 2011 5:09:57 GMT -5
It's probably not that clear-cut, even with the writers. I think that for most of the show, we're supposed to think he's Yoli's vision. Even though there are funny moments when he suddenly disappears and she still expects him to be there. So, she's not entirely in control of her vision's bevahiour. The longer the episode goes on, though, the more Fer takes David's side (including about the famous plaque). Then we get to the final sequence and something happens. As Yoli moves towards David, Fer disappears abruptly, yet again, and this is very much emphasised by Yoli's attitude. It's as if this time she's really lost him all of a sudden. And when he reappears, once David has understood what he had to do to see him, it is a different Fer. He doesn't speak any more, he just touches David's cheek and kisses him. And once David's memories have been unblocked by that kiss, he doesn't vanish. He walks away and silently bids farewell. I suppose this means what we just saw was really Fer's ghost, as opposed to Yoli's imaginary friend. We know he will return on Monday, at least to David, maybe to others. David's words in that scene were absolutely sublime, in their simplicity and rawness. And with Adrián's acting, they would have made rocks cry, as we say in French. After Fer's monologue at the end of 75, this confirms the amazing status of that story and that couple. It doesn't make the scandal of Fer's death any less unbearable, quite the opposite. It doesn't make the pain go away, it only makes it worse. This is what we have to deal with, what David is faced with when he says: " He told me he would never leave me." and just after "But why did he go, Yoli? why did he have to go?". There is no answer to those questions. amazing post
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Post by Shiny on Jun 8, 2011 5:19:05 GMT -5
Then we get to the final sequence and something happens. As Yoli moves towards David, Fer disappears abruptly, yet again, and this is very much emphasised by Yoli's attitude. It's as if this time she's really lost him all of a sudden. And when he reappears, once David has understood what he had to do to see him, it is a different Fer. He doesn't speak any more, he just touches David's cheek and kisses him. And once David's memories have been unblocked by that kiss, he doesn't vanish. He walks away and silently bids farewell. I suppose this means what we just saw was really Fer's ghost, as opposed to Yoli's imaginary friend. We know he will return on Monday, at least to David, maybe to others. May be, may be.. Both of them were looking at him and have seen the same (as it looks to me).
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Post by firens on Jun 8, 2011 12:30:31 GMT -5
Then we get to the final sequence and something happens. As Yoli moves towards David, Fer disappears abruptly, yet again, and this is very much emphasised by Yoli's attitude. It's as if this time she's really lost him all of a sudden. And when he reappears, once David has understood what he had to do to see him, it is a different Fer. He doesn't speak any more, he just touches David's cheek and kisses him. And once David's memories have been unblocked by that kiss, he doesn't vanish. He walks away and silently bids farewell. I suppose this means what we just saw was really Fer's ghost, as opposed to Yoli's imaginary friend. We know he will return on Monday, at least to David, maybe to others. May be, may be.. Both of them were looking at him and have seen the same (as it looks to me). There is no question she sees him in his last avatar, i.e. when he appears to David. As he silently bids farewell, he also silently thanks her with a nod for her help. But I think something else has happened, something tremendous, and she was just on the sidelines, which is as it should be.
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Post by Duskysoda on Jun 8, 2011 22:31:37 GMT -5
something has happened, something tremendous, tremendous as in,,,,,,
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Post by kubukurin on Jun 9, 2011 10:20:35 GMT -5
So the whole cast will be in the final episode? The preview shows a lot of old characters, most from the very first season!
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