Christian & Oliver, 03.06.2009, video and caps

[Bonobochick]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xYFGgqaEqs

Thanks, Ivan!

[Davian]

Fertig...
1, 2, 3...
Go! ;D

Well, I have to say that I loved today's episode. I loved the fact that the situation developed quite naturally. Olli was even about to "forget" the fact that he had needed Christian's help (because he was studying) but when he knew Christian had been playing "matraquilhos" he freaked out. I can understand both sides. Iim just really happy that they're back.

[ivaniv]

It's been such a long time I forgot how to create a new thread ;D

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Caps

[kes]

Thanks for the new thread! I wrote earlier that I sympathized with Christian, and I do. However, my guess is that they have yet to understand their roles in the restaurant. They have, in a way, been partners to some degree in getting this started. However, in the end, Olli is the one in charge.

That's going to be harder on Christian than on Olli in the long run, is my bet. And the spoilers suggest this. In fact, rather than being random, these fights seem to build nicely to what is to come in July. The writers need to establish Olli as having a direction -- being in charge. That will be a learning curve for Olli. Then they need to establish the impact this has on Christian -- then Christian's health issues will be all the more problematic/tragic for Christian, will have all the more impact on their relationship.

Anyway, I'd love to read others' thoughts. I thought I'd get the ball rolling.

[tihkon2]

Thanks Ivan Old Chap!


< looks around at an actual episode thread. It's like going back in time to a distant era...> ;D

I thought it was a cool episode. And glad to see the fight can't be laid at the doorstep of just one of them.

I agree , that it was nice that Olli got a little bit of a build up this time instead of going from zero to shrieking in .01 seconds.

;D

[sio127]

I agree that it was a good build up ( okay not that I understood what they were actually saying) but with Dutchys recaps and Ivans video (thanks guys), it seemed a very seemless and natural progression.....i.e very realistic in terms of and argument. Unlike the Ibiza where Olli just "went mental" this was "normal" (okay yes note to self..... actors, not real) and it also seems like it is hopefully a storyline that can be played often, not just over in 2 episodes. I love seeing them all loved up but their acting gets a good work out at the angry parts.
>>>Is this making any sense?

[dutchy]

Thanks for the episode thread!

I was asked to post the recap here as well…


So, are you ready for part one of the Ollian/Chrolli fest? I’m still recovering from the preview clip!

Scene one:
Christian, Olli and Miriam are working at No Limits. Miriam has a toothache and hopes that it will be gone the day after tomorrow when her new boyfriend comes to visit from Hamburg (hasn’t she mentioned him before recently?).
Christian overhears Olli saying that he’s taking over Miriam’s shift when her boyfriend’s visiting. He isn’t happy and says that Olli could have mentioned to him that he has to work that night. Olli says that they can postpone their plans to another night. What Olli doesn’t know is that Christian bought them tickets for a concert (I think). He wanted to surprise Olli. Olli is touched. They kiss.
Olli wonders if Christian can/wants to ask Gregor to fill in for him. Christian agrees to ask his brother. Olli then wants to know how much longer Christian needs to work on his paper. Christian says that he’ll be available (to work) again tonight. They kiss again.

Scene two:
Christian drops by his brother’s place. Gregor is in a bad mood again. He’s had a few beers. When Christian mentions the name Katharina, Gregor interrupts and says: “Luise. Not Katharina. Luise, Princess von What’s-her-name, bla bla bla.”
Christian wants to cheer his brother up and invites him to have lunch together. Gregor isn’t interested and continues to drink his beer, which Christian takes from him. He thinks it’s too early to drink. Plus, it doesn’t help anyway. Gregor simply gets a bottle of bubbly from the fridge, while Christian collects beer bottles in the living room.
Gregor says that Christian was right all along, he has warned him from the beginning. And now he wants to rub it in. Christian says that he wanted to distract his brother, but he already found a way to do that (drinking). Christian puts the bottles down and leaves.

Scene three:
Christian is having lunch while working on his paper on the laptop (memories!). the doorbell rings. It’s Gregor. He wants to take Christian up on his offer to have lunch together, but Christian has eaten it all. Gregor apologises for his behaviour earlier. The two brothers decide to play a game of foosball.
Meanwhile, Olli and Miriam are still working at NL. Miriam’s toothache isn’t getting any better. Olli says that she has to go to the dentist, but Miriam doesn’t want to leave Olli all on his own. Olli says he’ll be fine, Christian is coming down to help again later.
Christian and Gregor are still playing foosball. Gregor is winning. Because he’s frustrated, he says. They continue to play.
A large group of people enter No Limits and Olli looks a bit panicked. He calls Christian on his mobile, but he doesn’t pick up (even though Gregor asks him if he’s going to pick it up). Olli’s frustrated. When Olivia shows up, Olli indirectly asks her for help behind the bar, but Olivia says no. Olli gets even more frustrated and wants to know what’s keeping Christian.
When Christian and Gregor say goodbye in the hallway, Gregor thanks his brother for letting him win to make him feel better. But he has to deal with this on his own.

Scene four:
The large group of people is leaving No Limits. Olli is exhausted. In walks Christian. Olli wants to know if Christian is done with his paper. When Christian says that he and Gregor played foosball, Olli’s not amused. He tells Christian that it was a madhouse down here. The least Christian can do now is to look after the place while he pops out for a while.
When Christian tells him to hurry back because he wants to get something to eat for Gregor, Olli explodes and tells him that Gregor simply has to wait for half an hour. He hasn’t had time for anything because of Christian’s fabulous support. Olli then walks off. Christian’s gobsmacked and asks Olivia what’s wrong with Olli. Olivia just shrugs her shoulders.

Scene five:
Christian follows Olli to the recycling point (or whatever you call it) on the street. Olli says that he can do this all on his own as well. Christian says he’s sorry that Olli had so much stress, but he didn’t know that Miriam went to see the dentist, plus he couldn’t leave Gregor hanging. But he could obviously leave him hanging, Olli says. Christian tells Olli that Gregor isn’t doing well at all. Olli says that he knows the right remedy… dealing with the madhouse in his bar.
They bicker/argue a bit more about Gregor. Olli says that he expects this from Gregor. All responsibility for NL falls on his (Olli’s) shoulders. And what does Christian do? Olli only gave him time off to work on his paper. He then says that he has to be able to rely on his employees. Christian so doesn’t like to be called his employee. Olli says that he works for him, so he expects him to follow the rules, like all other employees. And Olli walks off again. And Christian follows him again.

The end of today’s episode…

Preview: Two little preview clips with C&O. Clip one: C&O argue a bit more at No Limits, with Olli telling Christian that he (Christian) is not responsible for what happens in NL. Clip two: Christian is pacing in the C&O bedroom (how lovely to see that room again ) when Olli enters, wearing nothing but a Chippendale bow-tie. The spoilers did say titillating surprise for Christian!

[brownsugar]

I just got home from work and logged straight onto this site. I'm trying my best to hold out for nanna's translations. And from seeing the caps and reading some of the responses, it looks as though it was a really good episode.

Gosh...I'm so excited to see this episode. It's been so long since we had a Ollian storyline.

Thank you so much nanna, Ivan, dutchy and Tihkon. Much love your way.

[chrollifan]

I liked the slow build-up in this episode too, but Olli gave actually Miriam a day off work already previous week and we have seen that he is busy in NL or managing things with Charlie. It was a well balanced episode IMO. You can't say that the fight was a fault of one of them.

Hah! And "dream prince" Gregor was a plot-device again. It was common last year, but we haven't seen him in this position for a while.

The interesting part is how different impressions Ollian and Lyseb give. Leaving out spoilers it seams that writers are driving Lyseb against the wall (or actors are doing so crappy job) and Ollian come off this fight as secure as before (or at least I've got this impression after the first episode. All can still go wrong )

[sheepiefarm]

An episode thread!!

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goes & waits patiently for the subbed clip to appear

[tihkon2]

Your wish is our command Sheepie! ;D

Here's the latest clip with English Subtitles. Enjoy!




Thanks Nanna and Ivan!

[kes]

Thanks so much Dutchy, Nanna and Tihkon!

The caps are so interesting. I thought the writing was quite good this episode: Christian was supposed to be working, so Olli's anger makes more sense to me now. (Dutchy: I hadn't read your recap closely enough.) However, both guys are shown to be human and caring, too. This argument didn't feel contrived, but natural.

That last line had to happen -- good for Olli for saying it. However, it was still a heartbreaker . . .

But sometimes you have to say the obvious even if it's painful.

Great epidsode! I thought everyone did a wonderful job. Christian also comes off as caring -- and genuinely concerned for Gregor. And Gregor, while heartbroken, still has his own "balance" in that he recognizes what his brother is doing.

I just love this. I like everyone in this episode.

[Nitty]

Jun 3, 2009 20:13:04 GMT -5 kes said:

I just love this. I like everyone in this episode.

...Ditto! They are all sweethearts.

Awwwwwww:





Olli is sooo good at being adorable!

[rhiannonhero]

*waves* Hi, I'm pretty new around here. Anyway, here are my thoughts on today's clip. (And thank you to Ivan, Nanna, Dutchy, and everyone else who is so incredibly generous and helpful to those of us who don't know German!)

I loved this entire clip! I loved Olli being teasing and funny with Lydia at the beginning, and I loved the sweet kiss when Christian came into work. God, they are adorable!

What I liked about their fight was how natural it seemed to me. I could see both of their perspectives, but, frankly, sided more with Olli because Christian should've answered his phone. The impression I got was that Christian was let off from the No Limits to work on his paper because it looked slow in the bar, and because Miriam was there. It was understood that he would come back when he was done with the paper, and I believe there was the undeclared understanding that if things went insane, or there was an emergency, then he would be available for that, too. The fact that he didn't pick up the phone because he was too busy playing foosball (and NOT working on his paper, which was the only reason he had off to begin with!!) was really annoying. If I were Olli, I'd have had a lot more to say about it all, frankly.

(And, yes, my husband never answers the damn phone when I need him desperately, so I am hugely biased about this aspect of the fight. It's like whenever I'm just calling because I need him only a little bit, then he answers the phone, but if it is really important then he doesn't, and OMG there is nothing I find more annoying than that feeling!!! So, I really understood Olli's point of view.)

I also had empathy for Christian. He had no idea that things had gone to hell in the No Limits (because he didn't answer the phone!!! OMG!!!!) and was completely taken aback by Olli's reaction. Also, I think the point can be made that if Olli is going to be pissed off at anyone, he should be most pissed off at Gregor who has been too lovesick over his helicopter, Katharina, or Luise to be of any use in the so-called partnership he has with Olli anyway. So, I can see how Olli directing his frustration toward Christian would be slightly misplaced...except that Christian totally should've answered the phone!!!! Gahhhhh!!!! (I will not be able to let that go. But, you know, that was pretty brilliant of the writers because this fight is very realistic in a way in that both Olli and Christian are at fault in a way that the viewer can empathize with both.)

I also felt for Christian when Olli called him an employee and reminded him that he worked for Olli now. Christian looked completely slapped, even if it is the truth. Christian is not a financial partner in the No Limits, but he is clearly an emotional partner -- not just as Olli's lover, but as a partner in Olli's dream. He was more than instrumental in making Olli's visions come true. Just a few clips before, you had Olli talking about "our ideas" (i.e. his and Christian's) when referring to the redo of No Limits, and sharing that with Christian in a way that was much more than just an employee.

I understood what Olli was saying -- he should be able to count on his employees, and if he lets one leave work early believing they are working on their paper and that they will be back as soon as possible, then he's going to be angry with that employee if he finds out they've actually just been playing foosball for an hour and half instead. Even if (maybe especially if) that employee is Christian.

Olli was a little bitchy with his catty comments about, "I don't need your help now," and "Oh, but you can leave me alone to cope?" (in response to Christian saying he couldn't just leave Gregor alone to cope, or whatever). I also thought Olli failed to bring up some pertinent points, like when Christian said, "I couldn't have known that Miriam wen to the dentist," if I were Olli, my reply would've been, "Oh, I don't know, you could have known if you'd picked up your damn phone!!!!!" Ahem. (God, my head just wants to explode over that issue. I am utterly biased there.) Instead, he came back with that bitchy comment about, "Oh, but you could let me cope alone?"

I don't think Olli is a very good fighter. Christian is, for the most part, a better arguer in that he actually seems to stay away from really cutting remarks most of the time, whereas Olli will definitely whip out a surprise razor once in awhile.

All in all, I felt for them both, though I thought Christian was more in the wrong in the scenario. I thought the writing was pretty good, though. I liked the way Olli only got really angry when he realized that Christian hadn't been working on his paper at all, but had been playing around. I liked that Christian was hurt by the "employee" moniker, and I liked that Olivia was completely unhelpful!!!! LOL!

[tihkon2]

rhiannonhero

Thanks for your well thought out post! It was a great read and I got a kick out of your "phone" outburts! You had me rolling with that! ;D Very balanced view of the whole situation (minus the phone!) .

This part I saw a little differently....

It was understood that he would come back when he was done with the paper, and I believe there was the undeclared understanding that if things went insane, or there was an emergency, then he would be available for that, too. The fact that he didn't pick up the phone because he was too busy playing foosball (and NOT working on his paper, which was the only reason he had off to begin with!!) was really annoying. If I were Olli, I'd have had a lot more to say about it all, frankly.

I don't think it was clear exactly when Christian would be back. He says he'll be back later that evening. Pretty vague. And I saw nothing that indicated he'd be available if things got busy before that. Regarding the *phone* ;D,
He was busy playing foosball, but when Gregor tells him to get the phone, he's so into the game he tells Gregor to stop trying to distract him. That's a very jock/boy thing. But I can see how that would drive you up the wall! I'm trying to say that I don't think Christian was thinking "Oh, I bet that's Olli. I'll ignore him!"
You know? Also...Christian wasn't "just playing foosball."
He was trying to distract his depressed brother with something fun.

I can definately see Olli's point of view though. If I saw No LImits fill up like that, I would have been panicking too. And then not being able to reach anyone! However...I would have told me darling cousin, if she wanted to stay in the bar, she'd better get her lazy ass up off the stool and help me! Or I would have sent her upstairs to find Chrissie-baby.

I guess that would have been to easy and there wouldn't have been an argument for us to watch! ;D

That's my take on it anyways.

Anyhow...as usual Chrissie needs to think things through more, and Olli needs to watch his tongue! They've been very consistent in these character traits for the boys.

[rhiannonhero]

Oh, I definitely didn't think he was ignoring Olli by not answering the phone. I don't think my husband is ignoring me, either, btw, he's just busy doing something else and chooses not to answer without knowing who is calling, and it is always, always when I need him most. But, yeah, I just will not be able to get past that part when it comes to Christian's part in this one because I have personal issues, clearly, about the phone. Hahaha!!

And, yes, I agree completely that Oliver needs to watch his tongue. He can be very cutting just because it feels good to him to say something unkind in the moment, but it isn't helpful for the argument as a whole. As for the characterization, I've been incredibly impressed with how consistent the writers/actors have been with that kind of thing. Very impressed indeed.

[tihkon2]

Whew, I didn't want you to think I was criticizing your post or anything. I totally enjoyed it!

I was remarking to Nanna earlier that one thing that has changed about Christian though, is he definately doesn't fly off the handle as quick as he used to. He seems to think through what he's going to say. Lets hope that's still true tommorrow!

[rhiannonhero]

Nope. No criticism interpreted!

I'm excited! More Olli and Christian tomorrow! Whee!!

[floatilla]

Wow....an episode thread........its been a while.... ;D

I LOVED todays episode. It showed a really realistic projection in their relationship, and am also glad that it played out with such an ambiguity that not one person is entirely at fault. Christian DOES seem more mellow though...And am glad. Am also glad that they built up Olli's frustration and did not have him go from 0 to 60 in an instant. I for one cannot wait for the fallout on that last conversation at the rubbish bins..

Can I also say how cool and eco friendly Germany comes off with the recycling rubbish bins all sorted out and stuff... ;D

[brownsugar]

Welcome rhiannonner. I enjoyed reading your post. Some nice thoughtful opinions on the episode, and many of which I agree.

Jo and Thore have this natural ability to play their scenes as though it's for real. You forget you are watching two actors in a SOAP. And I really appreciate that because you see the extra effort put in to their scenes. Although, Jo and Thore obviously excellent actors.

First...I loved this episode. And how sweet to have a Ollian episode thread. It's been so long.

I loved the consistent flow of this episode...you had the opening scene with Ollian being all loving to each other...which led into the scene of Christian trying to get his brother out of his drunken stupor... which led to him and Gregor playing foosball... which led into a scene of Olli almost having a meltdown with trying to run on his own a crowded NL...to the final scene of the argument. Very well paced and acted.

I sympathize with both Olli and Christian for their actions.

Christian was right up to a point. Naturally he was helping and being supportive to his brother, who doesn't seem to be able to rise out of his black hole over Louise. But here's where Christian was wrong. He had told Olli earlier that he would ask Gregor ( who hasn't done diddly squat to help out Olli) to cover at NL. But Gregor wasn't in any position to go manager HIS share of the business, therefore Christian should have called down to Olli to give him the heads up on what had transpired.

Now regarding Olli...Olli has every right to be angry at Christian who had gotten the day off because he was suppose to be doing his studies. And you notice Olli didn't really get angry until Christian told him he was playing fuzzball with Gregor, and it was then he got furious. And Olli does have a tongue which is deadly. It can cut like a knife. When he said to Christian you are my 'employee' I thought that was horrible. Sure Christan is employed by him, but it was totally uncalled for to say it in such a manner. You could feel the hurt from Christian drip of the screen. Olli much remember that not only is Christian the love of his life, but also his best friend who has worked his arsh off down in NL to help Olli have his dream. Christian played a major part in making NL the place it is today. This was very disrespectful to Christian.

I cannot thank you enough nanna, tihkon, Ivan and dutchy for all your effort in bringing us Ollian.

I'm so excited Ollian are back!! ;D

[Nitty]

Brownsugar- I think Christian was to ask Gregor if he'd fill in for Olli in 2 days, so they could go see the musical...so it wasn't that urgent that he get back to Olli on that subject.

[brownsugar]

Jun 3, 2009 23:55:11 GMT -5 Nitty said:

Brownsugar- I think Christian was to ask Gregor if he'd fill in for Olli in 2 days, so they could go see the musical...so it wasn't that urgent that he get back to Olli on that subject.

Yes...thanks nitty for the correction. I just went back and watched the episode. Indeed, the theater trip was to be in two days. Still, Christian should have given Olli a call to at least check on how things were going down in NL since he did promise to return later, but naturally was unable to because of Gregor's depressive state.

[sio127]

Brownsugar.....I agree that Olli saying "employee" would have thrown Christian, but 2 things.....he IS an employee and also you know what it's like in an argument, you say things without really thinking them through, and that is Olli, he flies off the handle. Although he did have reason to. I do think he could have tried calling Christian more than once though!! Or sent Olivia up to get him like was mentioned by (scrolls back to check) can't find it! Anyway all in all it was an ace episode and has us all on tenderhooks for tonight!

[Django13]

Indeed, it has been quite a while since we had an episode thread!

First of all thanks to everybody who makes it possible to understand every word of the show!

About the episode: I really liked it, a lot have been said already, but for me it was very nice to see a longer scene with Christian and Olli, not only supporting the other characters, but really a scene concerning the both of them.

Especially the scene at the end was so well acting and the boys are so good with their facial expressions.
Looking forward to today´s episode, wondering how it is played out!

[mona]

It's sad that there's no communication between Olli and Gregor and it looks like this is Gregors fault (Olli had to ask Christian to ask Gregor about the musical evening) Then he hears: Gregor isn't feeling well (for months now!) and that's why he can't work proper and not even doing something for one evening. I wonder if there's ever be a fight between Gregor and Olli, that would be interesting.

Christian shouldn't take the "Angestellten" thing too serious. He didn't react well when he was under stress, too.