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Sept 25, 2009 13:49:49 GMT -5
Post by HQ75 on Sept 25, 2009 13:49:49 GMT -5
Tobias, WHAT THE HELL DUDE?!! As for my beloved Flip, MY HEART WEEPS LIKE A TODDLER FOR YOU SUGAR! There is no heartbreak as awful and devastating as your first and to have been messed about as much as poor Flip was by Koen and his antics, just boggles the mind. Then to get dumped because Koen wants to be with some random girl he just met?!! Seriously, are the writers of Spangas sadists? It's well written, very much so for a teen drama. It hits all the right notes. Realistically frustrating and maddening and PAINFUL. But DAMN! My inner teenage gay boy is just raging against the machine right about now. Damn you Mark and your SHOW!!!
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Sept 25, 2009 13:55:26 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Sept 25, 2009 13:55:26 GMT -5
I totally agree. It's really well-written, but I just wanted to give Flip a big hug and never let him go. poor thing. I know Tobias brought it on himself, but he has a good heart. I loved his scene with Flip.
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Sept 25, 2009 15:58:33 GMT -5
Post by HQ75 on Sept 25, 2009 15:58:33 GMT -5
I do have sympathy for Tobias (and I think he kinda knows he screwed up too, thought Tessel may forgive him because it's kind flattering in a crazy way that he was willing to go to such lengths to impress her)
I think I have never been more proud of Tobias for not making a joke and for taking Flips feeling seriously and being there for his twin because it's hard enough to deal with such big feelings at that age nevermind talk about your brother's love life with another boy.
Yeah, you and me both. I just wanted to kiss Flip's head and tell him that love is equal parts pain and joy and to just know that the next time he feels that joy, he'll forget how painful it feels right now.
Sigh...
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Sept 25, 2009 16:29:42 GMT -5
Post by Nitty on Sept 25, 2009 16:29:42 GMT -5
Thanks, Mark! This show is really good.
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Sept 25, 2009 16:38:35 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Sept 25, 2009 16:38:35 GMT -5
Flip's latest blog entry: Over and out So. That's clear. It wasn't difficult. No, what do you think! All of a sudden he's messing around with girls. And things weren't that great recently. So it's done. Over. And out. Simple.Koen's latest blog entry: I was already thinking it He said it. I was already thinking it for some time. Now it's over. Do I feel bad? No, not really.Tobias' latest blog entry: Does she get it? Will she get it now? Finally?
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Sept 25, 2009 16:51:59 GMT -5
Post by HQ75 on Sept 25, 2009 16:51:59 GMT -5
OOOH Mark I COULD KISS YOU! You know I'm so curious about the blog Well good, now we're done. No more Koen (bless his passive aggressive heart) Flip can move on to smarter, hotter boys who will be fun and outgoing and love him to death! I still think there might be hope for Tessel and Tobias yet (though I'm just really sure Tobias is mature enough for a girlfriend but we'll see...
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Sept 25, 2009 21:28:16 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on Sept 25, 2009 21:28:16 GMT -5
I feel so bad for Flip.... but breaking up is the right move considering Koen's behavior..... I can't believe that Koen doesn't seem to feel bad at all about the fact that his boyfriend broke up with him... It really does seem like a complete personality transplant from the original Koen...
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Sept 26, 2009 0:13:01 GMT -5
Post by rp662 on Sept 26, 2009 0:13:01 GMT -5
I have only seen a few clips and i have not seen Koen and Flip ever kiss. Does anyone know if they have ever kissed? And i have never seen their relationship as boyfriends, instead it seems as if there were only friends, the only thing that makes them boyfriends to me, is that they say it, but their is no love interaction between them. I might be wrong, as i said, i have not seen the series that much!!
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Sept 26, 2009 0:51:18 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Sept 26, 2009 0:51:18 GMT -5
They have kissed a couple of times, but there has been trouble in paradise for a while now so they're not that touchy-feely at the moment.
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Sept 26, 2009 4:50:54 GMT -5
Post by sweetsheep on Sept 26, 2009 4:50:54 GMT -5
I have only seen a few clips and i have not seen Koen and Flip ever kiss. Does anyone know if they have ever kissed? And i have never seen their relationship as boyfriends, instead it seems as if there were only friends, the only thing that makes them boyfriends to me, is that they say it, but their is no love interaction between them. I might be wrong, as i said, i have not seen the series that much!! They are breaking up now, so they weren't really together the last episodes. You can watch the first episodes on site 1 on this thread, there they also kissed. But at this time they were 13 years old - I don't think you have to make out all day at this age. mark: Thank you! And Flip - thank you too, good boy.
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Sept 26, 2009 15:03:11 GMT -5
Post by HQ75 on Sept 26, 2009 15:03:11 GMT -5
I have only seen a few clips and i have not seen Koen and Flip ever kiss. Does anyone know if they have ever kissed? And i have never seen their relationship as boyfriends, instead it seems as if there were only friends, the only thing that makes them boyfriends to me, is that they say it, but their is no love interaction between them. I might be wrong, as i said, i have not seen the series that much!! Flip and Koen kissed when they first got together quite a bit and touched a lot but I don't think there were "happily in love" for very long because they had only been together for a few months before Flip started "flipping out" about his father's new girlfriend and he wasn't exactly "kissable" during that time. The earlier episodes from the beginning of their story are up on Gaydaytime's Youtube page. Look at his early Spangas videos www.youtube.com/profile?user=gaydaytime&view=videosThey show the beginning of Flip and Koen's relationship which was definitely more "physical". It still brings tears to my eyes when Flip admitted he couldn't keep his hands off of Koen that day in the park. It was just so sweet and romantic. Flip was so happy and proud and brave. I think Mark picked up where Gaydaytime left off. (Is that true Mark?)
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Sept 28, 2009 0:49:23 GMT -5
Post by cheerios on Sept 28, 2009 0:49:23 GMT -5
A thought has popped up into my head that the original Koen left the show because he didn't like the direction they were planning on taking the character. Because Koen has really done a 180 turn from how he first is. The fact that he doesn't seem to care that Flip broke up with him and all the pain he caused Flip just doesn't sound like the sweet Koen we first met.
You got to feel for the new actor playing Koen, he comes on to the show and into a couple that has been going for a while. This couple is well liked by the fans and so is the character he is playing. And then he has to go through this storyline, where so many of the fans are going to be disappointed and angry with how Koen is acting. He has basically come on the show and in a way has become the bad guy.
I wonder how much they will play this breakup with the other students. Of course Tobias will stick by his brother. Koen might have been Tobias's best friend, but Flip is his brother and Tobias does not like the way Koen treated Flip like a yo-yo. And a lot of their friends aren't exactly going to be happy with the actions Koen took, I wonder how they will react.
Poor Flip, I know exactly how he feels and I wish I could give the poor boy a big hug. You never forget your first love or your first heartbreak. Especially not when your first heartbreak comes along like this. I just hope this doesn't hold Flip back from adventuring out again in the relationship area and allowing anyone close to his again.
And Tobias, I know your a teenager, but not the best plan. Though after he admitted he liked her, Tessel did looked a bit charmed, so who knows.
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Sept 28, 2009 8:20:17 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Sept 28, 2009 8:20:17 GMT -5
A thought has popped up into my head that the original Koen left the show because he didn't like the direction they were planning on taking the character. Because Koen has really done a 180 turn from how he first is. The fact that he doesn't seem to care that Flip broke up with him and all the pain he caused Flip just doesn't sound like the sweet Koen we first met. Possible, but those are things we will never know for sure, I guess. I think Mark picked up where Gaydaytime left off. (Is that true Mark?) I'm not sure. I think after they got together and we're out the show told other stories while Flip and Koen were in more supporting roles. So I don't think you missed anything important.
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Sept 28, 2009 8:51:29 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Sept 28, 2009 8:51:29 GMT -5
Spoilers for the next three episodes:
Monday: Tessel asks Tobias to do something fun together. Flip sees Koen as a traitor. Tuesday: Tobias and Tessel are dating. Wednesday: Koen is being bullied.
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Sept 28, 2009 11:42:08 GMT -5
Post by HQ75 on Sept 28, 2009 11:42:08 GMT -5
I know Flip's friends are very supportive of him and the show doesn't seem to deal with it much but it must be lonely for Flip to not have many gay friends.
Often on shows I wish they'd deal with how important it is for gay teens (or gay people in general) to have gay friends and a gay support network (not to leave their other friends behind) but just to have other friends who understand and share some of the same experiences.
Usually with shows it's just a "boyfriend" for the gay character and no one else.
Anyway, I'd think Flip would have moments of feeling very alone and at times like this, he could really use some gay buddies.
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Sept 28, 2009 12:02:03 GMT -5
Post by cheerios on Sept 28, 2009 12:02:03 GMT -5
I know Flip's friends are very supportive of him and the show doesn't seem to deal with it much but it must be lonely for Flip to not have many gay friends. Often on shows I wish they'd deal with how important it is for gay teens (or gay people in general) to have gay friends and a gay support network (not to leave their other friends behind) but just to have other friends who understand and share some of the same experiences. Usually with shows it's just a "boyfriend" for the gay character and no one else. Anyway, I'd think Flip would have moments of feeling very alone and at times like this, he could really use some gay buddies. True Flip is probably feels pretty alone right now. With Koen now playing for every team imaginable, Flip seems to be the only true gay character on the show. And I'm sure Flip's friends and family will be there for him. Because your first real heartbreak is universal. But the fact that Flip was left for a girl, is a new spin on things and is probably making him feel devastated, humiliated, and betrayed. He is not going to bounce back from this anytime soon. It would be good for Flip to make some gay friends who he can talk to about such things. Because I'm sure there are others who have been through what he has.
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Sept 28, 2009 12:10:41 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Sept 28, 2009 12:10:41 GMT -5
I agree that it would be great for Flip to have gay friends, but I think it's also realistic he doesn't really have any at this moment. Flip came out at a pretty young age and I can imagine not every Spangalis student is ready to come out (I know I wasn't in high school). Maybe he could talk to teacher Jochem Damstra. He's gay and since he's the youngest teacher it might be easier for Flip to talk to him. I remember scenes between them when Flip was still struggling to come out. Today's show: There was an error during the recording. It didn't record the complete episode. What's missing is a Tessel/Tobias scene. Since they always re-air the previous episode before the new episode I will try to include that scene in tomorrow's clip.
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Sept 28, 2009 13:06:14 GMT -5
Post by HQ75 on Sept 28, 2009 13:06:14 GMT -5
Oh, yeah it would be good for him to talk to his teacher. I had some wonderfully supportive gay teachers in highschool particularly when I was around 14 to 15. Of course back then no one every really talked at school about the fact that they were gay but we all knew. I agree it's totally realistic that there aren't tons of gay kids roaming the halls but it's so hard to watch (which I guess makes it good tv) It is a universal experience to have your boyfriend or girlfriend like someone new but man that gender thing pack a whollop. I remember having vivid dreams of challenging this boy in junior high to a duel because he had the NERVE to eat lunch with my best friend who I was desperately in love with and the the first girl I dated who actually left me for a boy, ugh!!!, there weren't enough revenge fantasies in all of mythology to satisfy me!! How could I compete with a boy?!!! ( you know what I mean, sigh...)
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Sept 29, 2009 3:28:27 GMT -5
Post by cheerios on Sept 29, 2009 3:28:27 GMT -5
Oh, yeah it would be good for him to talk to his teacher. I had some wonderfully supportive gay teachers in highschool particularly when I was around 14 to 15. Of course back then no one every really talked at school about the fact that they were gay but we all knew. I agree it's totally realistic that there aren't tons of gay kids roaming the halls but it's so hard to watch (which I guess makes it good tv) It is a universal experience to have your boyfriend or girlfriend like someone new but man that gender thing pack a whollop. I remember having vivid dreams of challenging this boy in junior high to a duel because he had the NERVE to eat lunch with my best friend who I was desperately in love with and the the first girl I dated who actually left me for a boy, ugh!!!, there weren't enough revenge fantasies in all of mythology to satisfy me!! How could I compete with a boy?!!! ( you know what I mean, sigh...) I hope Flip goes and talk to his teacher, whom I am sure has gotten his heart stepped on a few times. From what I know from my friends, my own experiences, and the media that some love in the gay relationship can be very hurtful. Either they're straight, already in a relationship, closet case, only out for sex, will cheat on you, or are only experimenting/phase that they move on from. Flip must feel like the ground has been ripped out from under him with the fact that Koen is now "with" Layla. I'm actually surprised by the fact that he's functioning as well as he is. I remember my first bad heartbreak, I was a bit of a hollow shell for a while. So I'm glad that Flip is staying strong and not going to fall apart just because Koen was stupid enough to let Flip get away. You know honestly I don't think Koen will be completely happy with Layla. And not because he's truly gay and lying to himself. But one because he didn't look a hundred percent happy in the scene of them. And two because when I think of Koen's actions lately this song pops into my head. Aimme Mann: Wise Up It's not.. what you thought... When you first... began it. You got... what you want... Now you can hardly stand it, though, By now you know, it's not going to stop... It's not going to stop... It's not going to stop, Till you wise up.
You're sure... there's a cure... And you have finally found it. You think... one drink... Will shrink you to... your underground And living down, but it's not going to stop... It's not going to stop... It's not going to stop, Till you wise up.
Prepare a list for what you need, Before you sign away the deed, 'Cause it's not going to stop... It's not going to stop... It's not going to stop, Till you wise up.
No, it's not going to stop, Till you wise up. No, it's not going to stop, So just give up.Koen is looking for something, considering he was into Flip, than not, than Olaf, than not Olaf, than Flip, than Layla, than not Layla, than maybe... I think Koen thinks if he finds the right person whatever is confusing him will go away. Except I think Koen needs to only work on himself before he goes into anymore confusion.
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Sept 29, 2009 12:53:53 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Sept 29, 2009 12:53:53 GMT -5
I included the missing Tessel/Tobias scene from yesterday. No Flip today.
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Sept 29, 2009 18:37:20 GMT -5
Post by HQ75 on Sept 29, 2009 18:37:20 GMT -5
Thanks so much They are so sweet. Tobias was down right charming today (if a bit clueless about the letter) The ice cream bit was just so adorable and perfect.
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Sept 29, 2009 22:23:51 GMT -5
Post by cheerios on Sept 29, 2009 22:23:51 GMT -5
Yay that Tobias has happiness in the love department.
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Sept 30, 2009 12:19:55 GMT -5
Post by GTSTfanMark on Sept 30, 2009 12:19:55 GMT -5
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Sept 30, 2009 12:46:02 GMT -5
Post by HQ75 on Sept 30, 2009 12:46:02 GMT -5
Okay next time I need a warning. Like "Oh, here's the next clip, it will break your heart and leave you unable to breathe and wanting to banish Koen and What'sherface to the cornfield". He just moved right on so quickly and abruptly. From months of confusion and "I don't know" to "instant straight boy" (just add Layla).
I hope this isn't going to send Flip back to his dark perpetually angry phase. He's only barely just recovered from months of being angry and petulant and scheming against his dad's girlfriend.
Can't this kid catch a break?
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Sept 30, 2009 15:24:23 GMT -5
Post by cheerios on Sept 30, 2009 15:24:23 GMT -5
Ugh poor Flip, he really needs a big hug. Though kudos to him, he's handling it a lot better than I expected him to do considering how he was with his dad's girlfriend. Even though it's not the answers to his problems, I really hope Flip soon gets a sweet, confident in who he is and who he wants, and hot would help boyfriend. Yes everyone experiences their first major heartbreak and it's an important step in life, but let the poor boy have some fun.
Tobias sweetie, I'm very happy for you and Tessel. But lesson one in being a good brother, don't rub your new happy relationship in your brother's brokenhearted face and two don't forget that he has broken up with the boyfriend that put his heart through the ringer. And when someone in Flip's situation says he's fine with you doing a double date with his ex and the girl he was ditched for he doesn't truly mean it. But I forgive Tobias because he is young and happy to be in love, which he deserves to be. I just hope we get a supporting brother scene where Tobias tells Flip what a twat Koen is for not wanting Flip over Layla.
And speaking of Koen and Layla, Koen didn't look too happy when Layla kissed him or hugged him. Which makes me think Koen is going to abandon ship of another relationship. I just think that Koen is a lost confused young man who doesn't know what he wants and should just be off on his own till he does.
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