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Post by sonia38 on Aug 12, 2014 18:39:50 GMT -5
^i agree with you 100%. It's sad what has become of the show.
If I'm understanding the latest spoilers correctly, Olli falls for another straight guy who's a doctor. If that's correct, Olli is just falling in live at the drop of a hat, or maybe he's still not out of love with Christian and trying hard to move on, who knows. The writing for him definitely sucks.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 12, 2014 20:02:36 GMT -5
Before we all go and jump off an cliff because the show has seen fit to have Olli “fall” for yet another straight man, let’s allow for the possibility (as slight as it may be) that it might be a huge misunderstanding on Olli’s part brought on by the fact that the last two men he loved were “straight-ish”. Let’s review shall we: first we have Christian who all during his relationship with Olli self-identified as gay (the only proof of this we the audience were ever shown was his love for Olli but I digress). Then we have Sascha who thought it was a good idea to “experiment” with someone he knew has/had feelings for him that went beyond friendship, someone he has repeatedly claimed is his very bestest friend. So it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Olli (who feels as though he failed because of what happened with Christian and feels rejected by Sascha) develops a little crush of the good doctor and sees something or hears something he perceives as proving that he has yet again fallen for “forbidden” fruit and he tries to distance himself for the doctor. I’m not saying this is the case, I’m just saying that the possibility is there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 5:39:47 GMT -5
Before we all go and jump off an cliff because the show has seen fit to have Olli “fall” for yet another straight man, let’s allow for the possibility (as slight as it may be) that it might be a huge misunderstanding on Olli’s part brought on by the fact that the last two men he loved were “straight-ish”. Let’s review shall we: first we have Christian who all during his relationship with Olli self-identified as gay (the only proof of this we the audience were ever shown was his love for Olli but I digress). Then we have Sascha who thought it was a good idea to “experiment” with someone he knew has/had feelings for him that went beyond friendship, someone he has repeatedly claimed is his very bestest friend. So it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Olli (who feels as though he failed because of what happened with Christian and feels rejected by Sascha) develops a little crush of the good doctor and sees something or hears something he perceives as proving that he has yet again fallen for “forbidden” fruit and he tries to distance himself for the doctor. I’m not saying this is the case, I’m just saying that the possibility is there. I would not mind as much about yet another "straight guy" (I write "" because for me it is too clearly formulated just in the very first spoiler for the story for my taste that the guy is straight, so he probably is not) storyline for Olli in the case it is like you wrote - "he perceives as proving that he has yet again fallen for “forbidden” fruit and he tries to distance himself" ...then the uterly pointless story with Sascha and at the end also the so called -I'm gay twice married to a man but I always end up with girls - from Christian would have at least some sense and would bring Olli into this state...the problem is , what to expect from the writers as we know them? their masochistic fun of Olli tortured and mocked by watching guys he is interested in being all over women, while he is always the one not wanted? Olli who is supposed to fight again and stupidly believing he can force the straight guy (who is actually mature enough to already know what his sexaility is) to change his sex. preferences and give him some love? maybe with the result one ons like then experiment with Sascha or just another need to go in Africa to come over his sick and one sided feelings? well , I would like to see something else for a change from the writers than their usual crap writting. if they for some reason cared enough to give Olli another story just after his return from Africa who knows if they believe the viewers suffer of amnesia and don't remember anymore the story with straight Sascha or they want this time really something a bit different - when not the beginning , at least the result of the story? nice change would also be if they show this time something little from the doctors thoughts and POV and not only Olli in depression he loves the wrong person and us leaving with no idea what the doctor actually thinks (untill he jumps in the bed with Olli at some point )
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 13, 2014 9:02:21 GMT -5
I think when it comes to Olli in particular the show takes itself too literally in terms of “forbidden love”. With the exception of Tom, all the men Olli has been interested in (in terms of a serious relationship) have at the beginning identified as “straight” until they meet Olli. Maybe it’s the way Olli pours drinks, or the way he works that rag on those glasses he’s always cleaning, or perhaps it’s the scarfs or his colorful shirts/pants or maybe even those V-neck he wears that go all the way down to his belly button, (personally I think it’s his graying at the temples and the salt and pepper facial hair) but he seems to have this effect on men who then question their sexuality when they have never done so before.
This is why I root and at times have gone so hard for Olli, because the writers and some of the audience then seem to turn on him because these men aren’t what they present themselves to be. Olli has always pretty much been who he has been. While these men in his life seen to stop and turn on a dime. And then somehow it’s Olli’s fault. With Christian it was Olli bending and twisting himself into knots to keep the relationship going because at every opportunity Christian told him how much he loved him and how he wanted to be with him. Olli took the man at his word. Even the last time we saw Christian on screen he was telling Olli that all he wanted, every day, every hour, every minute was to be his man. I guess the clock stopped working the moment a lonely Olli had a one night stand. (the same sort of thing that Christian takes for granted when he does it as being nothing but sex). Fragility thy name is not woman, they name is Christian.
And then we have Sascha (and I like Sascha) who made it clear to Olli that he only wanted to be Olli’s friend (something that Olli struggled with but eventually accepted because he wanted to maintain the friendship). That is until Sascha decided in his own head with a little help from the other head in his pants that two men having sex looks absolutely that like something he wanted to try. Now does he go out and have himself an “experimental” ONS with some stranger who isn’t emotionally attached to him? Someone he doesn’t care about and wouldn’t necessarily ever have to see again? Someone who doesn’t live with same flat as him? No. My dear precious beautifully tattooed Sascha has sex with the one man in Germany he knows for a fact has feeling for him that go beyond friendship. Feelings he has been trying to suppress because there was no chance. Feelings that were (in my opinion) understandably reawakened by Sascha’s need to see what it would be like to have sex with a man. I’m not saying he can’t experiment if he wants to. Or that he too mature and should therefore know what he likes and doesn’t like. I personally think sexuality is far too fluid for absolutes. Where I fault Sascha is his choice of experimental partner. Espeically given how he feels about Olli and their relationship and how Olli feels about him.
Enter the good doctor into this mess. It doesn’t matter if he’s gay or not at this point (at least not to me), it is how Olli perceives him. It is how Olli’s past interactions are going to color how he approaches this situation. It could be that the doctor is straight and Olli is self-correcting earlier that we are used to seeing him self-correct. Or it could be that he is actually gay and Olli misunderstands something he sees or ears. It could be that this doctor and his interaction with Olli is the thing that sparks something in Sascha that makes him all of a sudden realize that he too his Olli-sexual.
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Post by capricious on Aug 13, 2014 19:37:47 GMT -5
It could be that this doctor and his interaction with Olli is the thing that sparks something in Sascha that makes him all of a sudden realize that he too his Olli-sexual. That part
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Post by cheerios on Aug 14, 2014 0:48:33 GMT -5
I just hope Olli finds someone who puts him first and fights for him. Who doesn't mess him about emotionally and doesn't keep his guessing on what the other person feelings are.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 14, 2014 11:21:22 GMT -5
cheerios I think anyone who is an Olli fan wants that for him. But being realstic, this is VL and so Olli won't get that. I just hope that at the end of all of this he's happy. I hope that if he does end up with someone it is anyone besides Christian because for me that melody has long since turned into one long sour note.
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Post by cheerios on Aug 14, 2014 13:21:58 GMT -5
Which is sad because they were once so beautiful together. But VL just destroy it all.
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Post by angel on Aug 19, 2014 7:04:44 GMT -5
Ok, the spoilers are very unclear. But if my speculates are true, than once again the writers prooved that they are totaly insane and absolutly hate Olli.
So maybe the doc that Olli had a crush on, the week before, is the some guy that also his sister Bella fall in love with, and to complete this mess, they named the new doctor Jo, like the actor of Olli. And thinks its funny, like they also named the current dreamman of the telenovelladreamcouple Thore, like the actor of Christian. Sorry, thats not my sense of humor. Like it was in the webseries that Sascha was crossdressed and we should maybe laugh about it and think its funny, in reality its sucks.
So maybe it gives a threeway story, or brother and sister fight for the same man story, and I dont believe that its going to be a happyend with Jo and Olli, that would be to much insane, alone from the names. And also with that they would destroy also the, ok not really existend in the last months, friendship between Sister and Brother Bella and Olli. Or Olli supports her sister in her new lovestory like he did allways in the last years, only support peoples, like he did the last months with the dreamwoman Caro and the outcome was that she now has an affair with his crush. Really any ideas of this outcome makes me sick. And prooved me once again, this series was right to be cancelled.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 14:19:46 GMT -5
Ok, the spoilers are very unclear. But if my speculates are true, than once again the writers prooved that they are totaly insane and absolutly hate Olli. So maybe the doc that Olli had a crush on, the week before, is the some guy that also his sister Bella fall in love with, and to complete this mess, they named the new doctor Jo, like the actor of Olli. And thinks its funny, like they also named the current dreamman of the telenovelladreamcouple Thore, like the actor of Christian. Sorry, thats not my sense of humor. Like it was in the webseries that Sascha was crossdressed and we should maybe laugh about it and think its funny, in reality its sucks. So maybe it gives a threeway story, or brother and sister fight for the same man story, and I dont believe that its going to be a happyend with Jo and Olli, that would be to much insane, alone from the names. And also with that they would destroy also the, ok not really existend in the last months, friendship between Sister and Brother Bella and Olli. Or Olli supports her sister in her new lovestory like he did allways in the last years, only support peoples, like he did the last months with the dreamwoman Caro and the outcome was that she now has an affair with his crush. Really any ideas of this outcome makes me sick. And prooved me once again, this series was right to be cancelled. I think I fall off the chair in shock if the mysterious Jo will be at least Bi but maybe can the writers still surprise and are planning something different than the typical sick triangle story of two siblings in fight for one guy, this most probably with the pathetic gay man who is just annoying obstacle pushing the story of the next telenovela heroine and hetero dream guy I don't know what is worse in this scenario. if they want Olli down and miserable and maybe as the loser at the end again or if they want to ruin the last simblings relation in VL which was not ruined of any rivarly yet because of the same love interest. because pretty much all other family connections in VL were already ruined with this crap someone of the writers should explain what it is with their weird obsession lately for the names of the new characters? Jo?? haha hihi - it is funny? it is a tribute or mockery from the writers? I somehow still don't get the joke. I didn't get it with character "Thore" either but at least the actor Thore S. was not supposed to play in the story of the character "Thore" as it seems now that Jo Weil is supposed to play in the same story with the character "Jo" and Olli will be most pobably rejected from this Jo because of Ollis sister , or maybe Olli gets him as his new love interest? both somehow not funny for my taste
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 19, 2014 19:57:57 GMT -5
Again I think people are jumping the gun without taking into consideration that so much of what has been spoiled was not only written but filmed before TPTB knew the show was getting cancelled. I think that we must wait and see what develops now that the writers no longer have the time they thought they had to tell a particular story. Which means that in all likelihood Bella will end up with Andy, this doctor will probably end up being somehow used as a catalyst to reunite them.
As far as people saying that the writers are picking on Olli’s character as one they hate. I would suggest that some fans actually watch the entire show to see how completely pathetic the writing has gotten for every character on the show and not just Olli, which is why it has been cancelled to begin with.
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Post by crayran on Aug 19, 2014 20:20:05 GMT -5
Unrealistic and silly I know but I still hope for a Christian and Ollie reunion!!!!
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 19, 2014 22:33:00 GMT -5
The sad thing about the whole Christian idea is, that it is probably what is going to happen. Which to me is rather sad and a little bit more than disgusting considering how Christian has treated Olli in the not so recent past. If I had my druthers, I would love to see Olli either independently happy on his own, or with anyone else, from this new doctor person to Sascha. The idea of having him waltz off with Christian knowing that eventually Christian is going to stub his toe, blame Olli for the table being there and then he goes off and gets blind drunk and has blackout sex with yet another woman, while he tells Olli(yet again) that it means nothing makes me want to puke.
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Post by sonia38 on Aug 20, 2014 5:37:48 GMT -5
Unrealistic and silly I know but I still hope for a Christian and Ollie reunion!!!! You and me both. I want them back together in the end. Who knows Christian might be a change man and Olli still loves him, after all the years together, love just don't due like that so yes, I too am hoping for a reunion for them.
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Post by talula on Aug 20, 2014 7:27:14 GMT -5
Unrealistic and silly I know but I still hope for a Christian and Ollie reunion!!!! for me it would be the worst and pathetic scenario for Oliver
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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 20, 2014 7:40:26 GMT -5
Again I think people are jumping the gun without taking into consideration that so much of what has been spoiled was not only written but filmed before TPTB knew the show was getting cancelled. I think that we must wait and see what develops now that the writers no longer have the time they thought they had to tell a particular story. Which means that in all likelihood Bella will end up with Andy, this doctor will probably end up being somehow used as a catalyst to reunite them.As far as people saying that the writers are picking on Olli’s character as one they hate. I would suggest that some fans actually watch the entire show to see how completely pathetic the writing has gotten for every character on the show and not just Olli, which is why it has been cancelled to begin with. Just like how Sascha's being used to help reunite Caro and Thore, I feel it will be the same way for Bella and Andi. Which doesn’t make me feel that the writers yet again "hate" Jo and the character of Olli. Regarding all of these examples of "hate". With folks wanting to see some reunion of Chrolli at the last minute, I see it as a complete disregard to all the things that Olli has had to deal with regarding his relationship to Christian during the last couple of years. That all the bitching, complaining and anger could be swept away, once the show has Christian just appearing on Olli's doorstep. That's all that's evidently needed to make things okay.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 8:48:29 GMT -5
That all the bitching, complaining and anger could be swept away, once the show has Christian just appearing on Olli's doorstep. That's all that's evidently needed to make things okay. in that case more likely sending Olli away to England appearing on Christian's doorstep (in off) I don't know if there is a real chance to see Christian get off his ass and really come back to Dusseldorf and show some effort, or that he changed his mind and feelings I think just because there is the need to close the soap and people are really eager to get a happy ending each for his favourite character/couple the writers should not pretend there is something back what they already ruined, or which they were or are not willing to do and should just insist on their opinions. I can still better imagine a start of something hopeful and not just utterly one sided with someone new as Ollis happy ending in VL (even a short dating storyline with someone really loveable who shows real interest in this man - maybe there is still a little tinny hope for the Max Claus/Jerymy Hartwig guest character) , than pretending something changed by Chrolli.Or the same with Sascha which is pretty over for me as well. the doctor is very likely another disaster, maybe not, who knows , but please don't insult Olli with making him begging for a bit love or making him running after someone who hurt him , who didn't care long time and where the writers have done too much damage. I will be teribly sad for Olli if he ends up down, in lovesickness, in a bad story or alone or kicked out without love, but if the writers already wrote something as damaged , then they should keep this opinion.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 20, 2014 19:42:48 GMT -5
I won't say that it's impossible for the show to properly redeem Christian, with a reunion between them as Olli's ending. Having not watched most of Christian's infidelities, I'm not as jaded as many of you regarding their past. A few months ago I watched how their relationship began, and that's how I prefer to remember them. With that said, a reunion is not really what I'm looking for. I just want Olli to be happy in the end. The quality of VL's writing is making me pessimistic, but I would still be pissed off if they did something like ATWT did with Luke, Reid, and Noah: one dead and two upset and alone. I guess we'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 9:17:32 GMT -5
Bring on Chrolli 3.0! *crickets* It might be more plausible, as things stand, than a genuinely happy Olli ending anyway. By the way, anyone know how Jo himself feels about it? Would he be pushing for a Chrolli ending if he has any clout?
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Post by cheerios on Aug 22, 2014 16:03:03 GMT -5
I would hope that Jo would want Olli is a healthy and respectful relationship. Instead of the crock they seem to keep sticking poor Olli with. I'm so sick of the straight boys who are curious, but don't fully commit or keep cheating.
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Post by angel on Aug 26, 2014 11:27:41 GMT -5
The Spoilers sounds a little bit crazy, as understatement.
Short version: Olli has a date with Jo, but that date failed, with no naming of a reason why. But Bella kisses him later and Jo dont kisses back, but in the next episode Jo and Bella had sex. And Bella crys on Ollis shoulder because of her lovesick.
So Jo comes for the start a bit unsympathetic. No kissing, but sex ist OK. And maybe even unlikable if he knows that Bella and Olli are halfsiblings.
My speculate for the future, Olli supports her sister, till Jo is no ass anymore, and Bella and Jo leaves in the sunsetending. Or my hope it gives a threeway story, with the backround for Jo: Sex with women Ok, but No feelings. Feelings and maybe kisses only for Men, but maybe no Sex. From this it could be a good story, but I dont believe much that the writers are good enough for that. And that this guy is a little to much an asshole, makes it not really good, not something that you really is a must have to see TV. Also Bella is really not sympathicly writen, first she had sex with the guy that both are in love, and she betrayed Andi with this, but then she had the impudence too, to use her brother as sorrowful box, because the guy want just sex with her and nothing more. But the writers thinks unfortunately the last years only a asshole is a good and interesting man. That this sort of men, comes not so good away with the audience, no languishly, doesnt matter them. Mostly mixed up everything with no sense, but nothing that let you join the journey of a story, what it should be supposed to be, in a soap.
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Post by artique69 on Aug 26, 2014 17:55:14 GMT -5
another straight/bi-ish guy for Olli??? i'm done with this storyline
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Post by Difficult Diva on Sept 2, 2014 5:09:08 GMT -5
I'm not really worried about the new character Jo's motivations, because it seems like he's just being used to keep Bella and Andi apart for a little while, until Bella decides to reunite with Andi. Just like what's happening between Sascha being with Caro. Caro's getting back with Thore. Maybe, just maybe IF the show hadn't been canceled, all these switch ups in partners and pairings might of had a chance of longevity. Yet, it looks like things are going back to the status quo, which makes the situation in my opinion even worse for all of the characters at the end. I would hope that Jo would want Olli is a healthy and respectful relationship. Instead of the crock they seem to keep sticking poor Olli with. I'm so sick of the straight boys who are curious, but don't fully commit or keep cheating.But why is the default wish of a "happy ending" for Olli is to get back with Christian Mann the only way for things to pan out for him? The man, who during the last 4 years of Olli's time on the soap has disrespected, lied, cheated and made him feel like he was never ever going to be enough for Christian. How was any of the last 4 years at all "healthy" for Olli or for that matter Christian? Is it because once the show is off the air, there's no possible chance for anyone to "mess" with the pairing anymore? Would it stop the pleas of wanting a "Chrolli spinoff" if the show is able to get Thore interested in coming back for Olli's (and Jo's) final exit storyline?
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Post by Difficult Diva on Sept 2, 2014 5:23:18 GMT -5
I won't say that it's impossible for the show to properly redeem Christian, with a reunion between them as Olli's ending. Having not watched most of Christian's infidelities, I'm not as jaded as many of you regarding their past. A few months ago I watched how their relationship began, and that's how I prefer to remember them.With that said, a reunion is not really what I'm looking for. I just want Olli to be happy in the end. The quality of VL's writing is making me pessimistic, but I would still be pissed off if they did something like ATWT did with Luke, Reid, and Noah: one dead and two upset and alone. I guess we'll see. VL doesn't have enough time to create another new character, let alone have Olli (and the audience fall for him) in the way of what had happened with Luke and Reid on ATWT. I also just want Olli "happy" at the end of VL. But I don't want Olli's happiness to come at the expense of the show thinking that him ending back with Christian is the only way for him to be "happy". Unlike the audience, who could choose to not watch the episodes of Christian's lies about his constant infidelities, Olli has them in his memories. Olli has tried to forgive and forget numerous times, but Christian has also kept on repeating his behavior, even though he kept saying that none of those women meant anything to him. That's why I'm not that angry about the situations that Olli has found himself in this time regarding Sascha and now Jo. Those guys haven't put Olli through half the things that he went through with Christian and he's the one that professed love and devotion to him. The bad times they went through overweigh all of the good times they had, in my opinion.
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Post by angel on Sept 2, 2014 8:53:20 GMT -5
So here we see now, the spoiler of the gayclub shooting, that we know for weeks, and it looks Olli meet there surprisingly Jo. I think my estimate of the airdate was not so bad.
So all option are open again, is Jo bisexuell, why he should be in a gayclub. Or because he is new in town, he didnt recognize thats a gayclub. But otherwise Jo looks not realy likeable either, and that he had maybe a icecool heart. Only that he looks nice, but is that enough to like or love a person, I dont think so, particularly not when you are not a teenager anymore. Maybe lust and desire, but not more. This Story goes slow, its not realy clear in which direction it goes, but the door for Jos bisexuell is again open. If Jo is bisexuell than is maybe the brake of the story his cold heart.
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