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Post by sheepiefarm on Jun 7, 2008 14:09:54 GMT -5
Well, judging from this episode, the whole nasty Wolle thing has finally reached an end with Christian. Both of them are suffering from this situation. And, it just can't go on anymore---not like this. I just knew the wait for the next episode was going to drive me crazy. heh Geoff Does it all end yet? There are things in the spoilers thread that suggest otherwise. *color change for spoiler speculation. -Bchick
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Post by bg26 on Jun 7, 2008 14:32:24 GMT -5
thanks psionycx I've been following this story for several months now and that's why I finally joined the board here. I love to read the comments here, very good and interesting opinions of course the comparison I made with Brokeback Mountain doesn't really go all the way, because times have changed luckily! People don't really get killed anymore because they're gay (at least not in Europe). But in spite of the progress that's been made, many people still consider it to be something "abnormal", so homophobia still exists and it's good that soaps like VL show what impact that has on people's lives. On another note, did anybody else love the reaction from Gregor when he saw Wolle laughing with Olli and later on when Wolle and Christian were talking in No Limits and he was again insulting Judith and Olli. Gregor is clearly getting irritated with Wolle as well. I think he wouldn't hesitate to throw Wolle out of No Limits, if it wouldn't be for the sake of Christian's boxing carreer. It will be interesting however to see how he's going to react when he catches his own little brother in bed with Olli ...
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Post by stuartsez on Jun 7, 2008 14:32:45 GMT -5
Yay, I can finally read this thread, now that the subbed ep is up - thanks, Nanna! This whole storyline could so easily be bungled - but Thore really sells Christian's doubts and anguish about the lies he has to tell. And Jo is managing to keep Olli from going over the line from supportive!boyfriend to creepily self-sacrificing!boyfriend. And Gregor's face in the preview - hahahahahah! As for the flat layout, what confuses me is that the main windows over the dining table can't possibly look out over the street. From the outside hallway, people come around the corner to get to the front door of the flat - so there must be a hallway or stairwell there, which is what those windows would open onto. You can see Christian coming around that corner in this ep, as he overhears the Wolle/Judith/Olli confrontation.
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Post by gastLXXXIV on Jun 7, 2008 14:49:20 GMT -5
bg26:
Welcome, and yes, there are so many insightful, interesting, entertaining posts here (including your first two) -- by a diverse group: personalities, background, expertise.
I too am looking forward to Gregor's 'initiation': if it's done as convincingly as recent episodes, it should be very exciting, poignant--so long deferred and so much at risk, from Christian's perspective.
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Post by neand48 on Jun 7, 2008 15:18:15 GMT -5
Does it all end yet? There are things in the spoilers thread that suggest otherwise. *color change for spoiler speculation. -Bchick Is this your doing sheepie or is bochick capable of sending posts from the pool while, at the same time, she's no doubt arguing with the instructor that she's got every right to be there even if her figure is perfect for VS dresses and whatnots? Parallel universe anyone? Scary.
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 7, 2008 15:53:17 GMT -5
Well, judging from this episode, the whole nasty Wolle thing has finally reached an end with Christian. Both of them are suffering from this situation. And, it just can't go on anymore---not like this. I just knew the wait for the next episode was going to drive me crazy. heh Geoff Does it all end yet? There are things in the spoilers thread that suggest otherwise. *color change for spoiler speculation. -BchickI'm just saying, at the very end, it looked like he has decided enough is enough. Geoff
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Post by psionycx on Jun 7, 2008 16:14:07 GMT -5
Yay, I can finally read this thread, now that the subbed ep is up - thanks, Nanna! This whole storyline could so easily be bungled - but Thore really sells Christian's doubts and anguish about the lies he has to tell. And Jo is managing to keep Olli from going over the line from supportive!boyfriend to creepily self-sacrificing!boyfriend. And Gregor's face in the preview - hahahahahah! As for the flat layout, what confuses me is that the main windows over the dining table can't possibly look out over the street. From the outside hallway, people come around the corner to get to the front door of the flat - so there must be a hallway or stairwell there, which is what those windows would open onto. You can see Christian coming around that corner in this ep, as he overhears the Wolle/Judith/Olli confrontation. I'm telling you people, the whole building is like some kind of extra-dimensional labyrinth. This either reflects an absolute mastery of space-time by German engineers, or else a complete lack of concern whether the sets make any sense. Or else maybe there's no stairs, just a ladder?
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 7, 2008 16:37:12 GMT -5
I'm just saying, at the very end, it looked like he has decided enough is enough. Geoff Still I think unless Christian quits boxing for good, I think chances are good that Wolle might stick around. Even if just as the head of the opposing team or whatever.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jun 7, 2008 16:37:51 GMT -5
Does it all end yet? There are things in the spoilers thread that suggest otherwise. *color change for spoiler speculation. -Bchick Is this your doing sheepie or is bochick capable of sending posts from the pool while, at the same time, she's no doubt arguing with the instructor that she's got every right to be there even if her figure is perfect for VS dresses and whatnots? Parallel universe anyone? Scary. She can even type with gloves on ;D ;D
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Post by nanna on Jun 7, 2008 16:46:55 GMT -5
I just deleted that remark. I can't imagine the actor would feel comfortable with it.
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 7, 2008 16:48:35 GMT -5
Okay, I'm editing lest I inspire too much curiosity.
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Post by tihkon2 on Jun 7, 2008 16:55:18 GMT -5
? I missed it. I thought Lola was talking about the one that says Christian's ass looks great in the tan track pants.... (it does....)
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 7, 2008 17:03:07 GMT -5
Thanks Nanna, Tihkon and Ivan for the past week's videos. I really wish I hadn't seen it. I mean, love the guys, but there are some things you probably shouldn't know/think about too much. Yikes. And here I thought the drama was on the Gays of Daytime Blog regarding AWZ. Guess drama is everywhere today. Is this your doing sheepie or is bochick capable of sending posts from the pool while, at the same time, she's no doubt arguing with the instructor that she's got every right to be there even if her figure is perfect for VS dresses and whatnots? Parallel universe anyone? Scary. She can even type with gloves on ;D ;D You guys are too funny and too kind. I ended up being late so I decided not to do it. The class is also on Mondays and Wednesdays, so I am not without. Maybe next time I will remember not to bring my whip with me. Now I am off to confuse myself with more German sentence conjugation - which I will be posting in the "German for Soaplovers" thread asking for help again - and hang out. I will probably re-watch this vid and the 5 Juni ep back to back later. I think the past 2 eps will seem more complete if watched in one sitting than split over 2 days. They were pretty good eps and the acting was solid. And I guess I need to stop calling Wolle ein gross schweinehund and call him ein dreckskerl oder ein drecksack after the way he treated Olli?
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Post by jsg03jd on Jun 7, 2008 17:12:58 GMT -5
You just don't know how much I wish Olivia had been hanging out with Olli when Wolle stopped by. Her taking him down - come on, you know she would have won - would have been great. Odds are at 100% that she would have accused Wolle of being a closet queer that secretly gets off watching his boxers workout. Odds are likewise 100% that Wolle would have gotten in her face about it. Finally, odds are 100% that she would have delivered a Charlie's Angels kick that would have sent him flying across the hall. And then she would have blackmailed him. The one time she's really needed and she's not there. Honestly her timing... In other words, it is with absolute certainty that Olivia would simply have been... Olivia. ;D I love her, even when she calls Christian a loser. I can't help it. I love them bad soap gurlz!
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Post by restenergy on Jun 7, 2008 17:27:58 GMT -5
I've finally had the chance to watch Nanna's subtitled version. Another really great installment. Jo and Thore do a great job in expressing and embodying the emotions here, and without it going over the top. I like how it's clear that Christian can take the homophobic remarks and the pretending to join in, but just barely. But even more, how what pains him most is not so much the remarks themselves, but what they do to Olli. I also like how Christian is trying to keep that fine line between playing along (because he feels he needs to), and protecting Olli as much as he can, all the while it hurts him to have to do so.
I liked having the Judith who is not angsting over Fabian and Constantin, but I'm not so sure she was helping much when talking to Olli about Christian and Wolle. He was off in his own little world for some of it, but I also think her righteous indignation wasn't all that helpful for Olli at the moment. On the other hand, I really loved the way she couldn't take it any more and had to come to the defense of her flatmates when Wolle showed up.
Friday's story really worked because of Thursday's. The goo inducing romantic expressions yesterday made today believable rather than hollow. It gave a context in which the pain was clearer. It made it believable why Olli could say that it would have been over if he didn't know how much it pained Christian to lie about the relationship. It helped make it clear that when Christian entered the flat, that the only thing on his mind was to get to Olli. But Thursday's episode also made Christian's declaration on Friday that their relationship was more important than his career so very sweet and romantic, amidst the pain of enduring Wolle asinine behavior.
I too think that Christian was on the verge of crying with that kiss and hug. Both because of Olli's love and how much he appreciates it, but also because, I think, he is a bit afraid that the bubble will burst and that he's risking this too, not just the career. Or maybe I'm reading a bit much into it? Not sure. But I do have to say that Olli knows very well how to handle Christian when he's in danger of getting a bit too worked up. He does it at least twice. There is the kiss here, and the stopping him as they talk on the bridge about how Christian feels he's betraying Olli and feels as though he can vomit. Such a sweet guy, that Olli.
Christians reaction to overhearing Wolle was very expressive. I think he was so disappointed that Olli had to go through that again. And I liked his altogether grumpy and pissed-off demenior when Wolle showed up at No Limits at the end. I really appreciated the way that he stuck up for his friends. Insisting that they have names, that they are real people, not labels or stereotypes. There was even a flash of anger when he mentioned that it was Olli he was talking about. It displays one of Christian's admirable character traits.
Between the end of today's episode with the cliff hanger in Christian's conversation with Wolle and that so sexy preview, it's going to be along wait for Wednesday's episode.
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Post by restenergy on Jun 7, 2008 17:37:49 GMT -5
I think another really, really good moment is Olli's ironic laugh, just after Gregor's puzzled comment concerning Christian's apparent complicity in Wolle's gay-disparaging. "If you only knew, Gregor . . . " And that the truth is: yes, Christian's put it SOOOO far behind him, and yet it's still right here under their noses and, so far as keeping up appearances is concerned, looming over their future as far as their eye can see . . . So much meaning in just one spasmed exhalation! You know, gast48, I hadn't really noticed that until you pointed that out. You made me have to go back and watch it again. And you know how very hard that is. It really does express a whole lot about the whole situation, and in ways that a whole long soliloquy couldn't quite do. It's one of those things that makes human communication so fascinating and so often rich.
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Post by gastLXXXIV on Jun 7, 2008 17:53:54 GMT -5
Still I think unless Christian quits boxing for good, I think chances are good that Wolle might stick around. Even if just as the head of the opposing team or whatever. I've been thinking that, too. Wolle's too dreadfully juicy / juicily dreadful just to vanish without a trace--at least so suddenly after such a whopping-big serving of him. So maybe Olivia will still have her chance!
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jun 7, 2008 18:14:44 GMT -5
Still I think unless Christian quits boxing for good, I think chances are good that Wolle might stick around. Even if just as the head of the opposing team or whatever. I've been thinking that, too. Wolle's too dreadfully juicy / juicily dreadful just to vanish without a trace--at least so suddenly after such a whopping-big serving of him. So maybe Olivia will still have her chance! I agree with that Gast48. He has been so horribly homophobic towards Olli - there has to be some sort of re-course to that - I'm thinking Christian will be the one to bring him down - how he does, we'll just have to wait and see. I'm not so sure Olivia would have risen to Olli's defence - she doesn't do spur of the moment actions. They're always calculated to gain something out of it for herself.
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Post by restenergy on Jun 7, 2008 18:33:28 GMT -5
I'm not so sure Olivia would have risen to Olli's defence - she doesn't do spur of the moment actions. They're always calculated to gain something out of it for herself. Maybe not spur of the moment action, but she does do spur of the moment nasty, snarky comment. I could easily see her give a quick quip or two about Wolle, particularly one that suggested a reason he hangs out with hunky boxers. And I do see that Wolle might be gone for a while very soon, but will be back for some reason or another. Maybe Christian will end up boxing against one from Wolle's stable at some point.
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Post by gastLXXXIV on Jun 7, 2008 18:36:13 GMT -5
Sheepie, what you say about Christian / Wolle--now that you've said it--seems to me as inevitable as fate.
And likewise--now that you've pointed it out: I think you're right about what would be / wouldn't be 'in character' for Olivia, too.
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Post by nanna on Jun 7, 2008 18:54:55 GMT -5
Olivia hooked up even with Ansgar of all people just because there was some money to be made there.
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Post by Princess Ollian on Jun 7, 2008 19:03:28 GMT -5
And I do see that Wolle might be gone for a while very soon, but will be back for some reason or another. Maybe Christian will end up boxing against one from Wolle's stable at some point. I agree with this entirely - there is clearly going to be some sort of confrontation at some point and you know Wolle (uck!!) is going to end up the loser. I think it would be good if the others are there (including Olivia and hopefully Gregor by this point), but Olli should get to let him have it himself... It would add some closure to the storyline... Ooooooh, Olli should punch him and lay him out. THAT would be good. Love love LOVE that plan...
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jun 7, 2008 19:04:10 GMT -5
? I missed it. I thought Lola was talking about the one that says Christian's ass looks great in the tan track pants.... (it does....) it does
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Post by momnoc on Jun 7, 2008 19:17:42 GMT -5
Still I think unless Christian quits boxing for good, I think chances are good that Wolle might stick around. Even if just as the head of the opposing team or whatever. I've been thinking that, too. Wolle's too dreadfully juicy / juicily dreadful just to vanish without a trace--at least so suddenly after such a whopping-big serving of him. So maybe Olivia will still have her chance! I think Wolle will turn up again after Christians fight (probably against one of Wolle's fighters) and when Christian wins (you know he will! ) Wolle will turn Christian in for doping and tell offiicials exactly what to look for! But Christian will come up clean and Wolle will be ruined in the boxing field forever! ;D (I know it's delusional, but I like the idea!)
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Post by jsg03jd on Jun 7, 2008 20:51:55 GMT -5
Well, Christian has all the goods on Wolle unless there's some plot twist later on where it's revealed that Christian did in fact use steroids despite what he's told Olli. Otherwise, Christian could easily expose Wolle's doping practice, and that should shut Wolle up.
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