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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 1, 2017 6:05:22 GMT -5
jazz73 I agree with you when it comes to the chemistry between Harry/Magnus and Matthew/Alec. It's because of that chemistry that Malec to me at least are the only pairing on the show that makes sense. I know that Jace and Clary are supposed to have it and we've been told that they do, but for me it simply doesn't present itself on screen. Being told about a great and powerful love and seeing it are two very different things. I feel like everything about Clary and Jace is being force fed to me and it leave a very bitter after taste. Whereas, the show does a much better job of allowing the chemistry between Magnus/Harry and Alec/Matthew to shine. We aren't simply being told about a great and powerful love story we're being shown a great and powerful love story. The obstacles these two are facing aren't contrived or plot driven {like Jace and Clary} but are instead character driven and thus show development for the individual characters and the couple as a whole. Most of the time with Jace and Clary their interactions are painful to watch because of the lack of anything even resembling chemistry. By contrast a simple thing like Malec holding hands is full of sexual and emotional tension. And while we were denied certain scenes between Malec and some fans were very vocal about it, and I was getting ticked off myself because of how gratuitous all the Jace, Clary and Simon crap was. I think seeing it in this episode had more emotional impact. Because it shows just how connected these two are and how much they trust and accept one another. Again it was about showing us and not telling us.
I love that Malec are facing a real world problem, in that it's about two leaders who at times are going to have to deal with things that will put them on opposite sides of each other. And as a couple how do you deal with that? Right now for Magnus after a lot of soul searching dealing with it means breaking up with Alec. It's a personal sacrifice he's making for the greater good of his people and their survival. However, I do believe that something is going to happen either in the next episode or the finale that will show Magnus that they stronger and can do more good for both of their people's together. Because in the end I think they will see that their relationship/love is the bridge that can unite the Shadowhunters and the Downworld.
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Post by lexmoon on Aug 1, 2017 8:01:23 GMT -5
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Post by dmagiclight on Aug 1, 2017 11:07:55 GMT -5
In the books the youngest lightwood was killed,I am glad the show didn't kill him off
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Post by boz-ruh on Aug 1, 2017 14:19:22 GMT -5
In the books the youngest lightwood was killed,I am glad the show didn't kill him off It was so sad in the books. While watching the episode I was like "Oh no, not again. Please don't die. Isabelle, Alec, Jace, even Clary will be so sad! Jocelyn didn't suppose to die but she did now you have let a character that suppose to die live!" About Malec, that scenes was great, it should have been done earlier but whatever I guess late is better then ever.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 2, 2017 11:41:49 GMT -5
In the books the youngest lightwood was killed,I am glad the show didn't kill him off It was so sad in the books. While watching the episode I was like "Oh no, not again. Please don't die. Isabelle, Alec, Jace, even Clary will be so sad! Jocelyn didn't suppose to die but she did now you have let a character that suppose to die live!" About Malec, that scenes was great, it should have been done earlier but whatever I guess late is better then ever.I don't agree with the last part of your comment. Could it have happened earlier? Yes. Given the emotional impact of the episode and the break up that followed those Malec scenes, I guess the real question is...should it have happened sooner? For me the answer is no. I say that, because for me the payoff is bigger and the emotional impact was harder and more deeply felt. I'm more emotionally invested in the outcome of what's going on between them. With Clary and Simon, I could care less so it was just boring and it was like get them off my screen. With Jace and anyone it was get them off my screen because I think Jace has more chemistry with Alec, Simon, Valentine,Luke and even Sebastian than he has with Clary. To me it was very telling that when they finally allowed Jace to break down and cry it was with Alec and not Clary. The chemistry between Jace and Alec is far more organic. And we're just being repeatedly told how much chemistry there is between Jace and Clary. And this isn't because Malec is the gay pairing on the show (don't get me wrong that certainly doesn't hurt) it's because since season one they have been written better than Clary and Jace. The chemistry between the two actors and thus the characters is natural and I don't feel like I'm being force fed the relationship. I think the reason both sets of show runners have written these two better is because in the original series of books (from what I'm told) their relationship happens mostly off the page. Here it can be displayed and allowed to unfold more naturally and so the story telling for these two can be and so far has been dealt with differently. As I said in a previous post, given what my daughters have told me I know I would have hated book Malec. I just would have. Alec is mature in the series but still making the mistakes anyone who has never been in a relationship would make. He's learning as he goes. And he's trying to balance his relationship with his responsibilities as a leader who's choices could cause a war. Nothing he's done has been out of petty jealousy or because Magnus won't tell him something, he feels he should know simply because he and Magnus are together. So sure those scenes could have happened earlier. But given the significance they hold to Magnus and the sacrifice he's making so that he can make the decisions he has to make for the survival of his people to me those scenes in this episode held more weight because of choice Magnus makes at the end. He's giving up some one he's connected to and loves deeply and he's doing knowing it will devastate them both.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 3, 2017 21:42:07 GMT -5
I've been a bit distracted so didn't get around to writing this 'till now... Noooo. I suppose they’ll find their way back to each other, hopefully sooner rather than later. To some extent I don’t blame Magnus. He's clearly torn between his feelings and his need to protect his people and this was obviously a gut-wrenching choice. When Alec asked him about his fears, I fully expected it was somehow related to losing love (or someone he loves). And that's what he felt he had to do ... at least for now. Still, at least we got some nice flashbacks before it happened. To some extent I would have liked to see some of that back when it apparently happened, but it was nice to get it nonetheless. I, too, like that their stress isn't petty. They both face real troubles and there aren't necessarily great choices. Hopefully that will help them grow, both individually and together. In other news... At last Sebastian/Jonathan were discovered! I guess it didn't take too long, but I tend to dislike when those kinds of plot points drag on. In some ways it’s too bad that Clary gave up hope on him. I’m not surprised, though. He was pretty twisted. Clary had a point a couple weeks ago: why on earth would he listen to Valentine. I wonder, is that new werewolf (Bat) just a one-off character? His arrival helped move along some nice development of other characters.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 8, 2017 22:19:37 GMT -5
Well, that was an unexpected turn of events. What on earth could Valentine possibly have that would interest the Seelie queen? Considering her desire for change, this is a really bad sign. So the Seelie queen had Maia kidnapped. Somehow I shouldn't be surprised by that. Evidently Simon has piqued her interest. I did like her reaction when Simon rejected her. Obviously Magnus is still torn. They're both hurting, but I'm hopeful that it won't last long. Don't really care about Clary & Jace.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 9, 2017 9:02:59 GMT -5
I think what might to move Magnus is finding out he's on the wrong side. I think the Seelie Queen would make a deal that saves her people and not the whole Downworld.
Or maybe what will move Magnus is seeing Alec willing to die for the Downworld.
As for Jace and Clary I agree with Zathras, I don't care what happens to them as a couple. Although I did like the fight with Johnathan\Sebastian. And Izzy back to kicking ass and taking names is always good thing.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 10, 2017 20:40:23 GMT -5
Jonathan was kind of a tragic character. What a painful end. In some ways it's kind of a shame that things went down the way they did. It kind of seemed like he really wanted to be accepted but to some extent couldn't help himself. He really wanted/hoped that Clary might help him (redeem him?) but he couldn't stop from hurting and killing. I wonder how that compares to the books. Was it somewhat gray? Or more black-and-white?
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Post by boz-ruh on Aug 11, 2017 5:11:53 GMT -5
Jonathan was kind of a tragic character. What a painful end. In some ways it's kind of a shame that things went down the way they did. It kind of seemed like he really wanted to be accepted but to some extent couldn't help himself. He really wanted/hoped that Clary might help him (redeem him?) but he couldn't stop from hurting and killing. I wonder how that compares to the books. Was it somewhat gray? Or more black-and-white? Do you think Sebastian (or Jonathan) is dead? He is half demon half shadowhunter, that would be too easy. I don't understand why would they leave the body of course he is gonna survive. If Magnus or Luke was there they wouldn't leave without making double sure he is dead.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 11, 2017 15:23:54 GMT -5
Jonathan was kind of a tragic character. What a painful end. In some ways it's kind of a shame that things went down the way they did. It kind of seemed like he really wanted to be accepted but to some extent couldn't help himself. He really wanted/hoped that Clary might help him (redeem him?) but he couldn't stop from hurting and killing. I wonder how that compares to the books. Was it somewhat gray? Or more black-and-white? Do you think Sebastian (or Jonathan) is dead? He is half demon half shadowhunter, that would be too easy. I don't understand why would they leave the body of course he is gonna survive. If Magnus or Luke was there they wouldn't leave without making double sure he is dead. I think the reason they left was because Jace had been stabbed in the lung. And while we don't know if it's that easy to kill Johnathan, we do know that Shadowhunters are mortal, even if Jace does have "pure" angel blood.
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Post by sunshine0786 on Aug 11, 2017 16:41:40 GMT -5
Jonathan was kind of a tragic character. What a painful end. In some ways it's kind of a shame that things went down the way they did. It kind of seemed like he really wanted to be accepted but to some extent couldn't help himself. He really wanted/hoped that Clary might help him (redeem him?) but he couldn't stop from hurting and killing. I wonder how that compares to the books. Was it somewhat gray? Or more black-and-white? I can't see any redeeming qualities in Sebastian in the books (they continued to call him that in the books, even after finding out the truth). He killed Max, had a creepy obsession with Clary, and kissed her knowing he was her brother. One major difference is that he never went to hell in the books. He was trained to be a soldier for Valentine's army. He was fully aware of Valentines plans and about Jace too. He was actually a spy for Valentine and played a huge role in his plans, which is very different from the show. Jonathan had his own agenda, from what we've seen. However, in both the books and tv show he suffered psychological abuse from Valentine, which probably shaped him regardless of demon blood.
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Post by Haru on Aug 15, 2017 4:36:44 GMT -5
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 15, 2017 12:27:48 GMT -5
Haru thank you for the pictures. What I like about them is that it shows a different side to Alec. In that Alec is nowhere this expressive with other people, not Jace or Izzy. Alec is very self contained. And these pictures show how much of an impact Mangus has had on him.
Okay let's get down to it. The summer finale...
Clace
What can I say. I really didn't care. Nothing about them as a couple interests me and thus nothing about their story lines have interested me. Don't get me wrong I like Jace when he is paired with practically everyone else on the show on screen. But there is just something utterly annoying and ultimately fake about Jace and Clary on screen together that turns me all the way off. I know we were all supposed to get in our feelings about Jace being stabbed in the heart by Valentine in front of Clary. And I'm sure there were Clace fans who were. I personally was more interested in how Valentine reacted to stabbing Jace and I was defiantly more interested to how Jace "dying" effected Alec. Clary is a non entity to me, I simply don't like her. The strongest female character on the show is Izzy, and I say that as someone who has has issues with certain elements of the storytelling when it comes to Izzy. But if I had a choice in who I'd like to have more screen time, give me Izzy all day every day.
Simon and Maia and Luke oh my, Simon and Maia and Luke, oh my....
I love Like, I like Simon and Maia is growing on me so I was interested in what all was happening with them. The Seelie queen is creepy and it bugs me how the rest of the Down World defers to her because of how old she is. Age does not necessarily mean wisdom, it means experience but the two aren't mutually exclusive. She doesn't have the best interests of the Down World in mind, she's a survivalist, which means she will weigh the options and pick whichever gives her the best chance for the survival of herself and her people (note Her people not the all of the Down World) and she doesn't really give a crap about anyone else. She proved this by making a deal with Valentine (who by the way I'm going to miss).
It will be interesting to see what Simon had to promise her in order to save Maia and Luke.
Speaking of Luke...Really....really...this is going to be interesting.
And now what we have all been waiting for Malec...Reunited and it feels so good!!!!
I'm more than okay with them getting back together. I say that because thus far the show has done a pretty good at showing development between these two. Right how they are riding an emotional high of defeating Valentine and Jace being a alive. They have both come to realize they need each other more than they have been willing to admit to themselves and each other I do think that in the up coming season the show will address the issues that caused Magnus to react the way he did to Alec's lie of omission. Especially because Alec made the best choice he could when all of the choices he had before him were crappy. And nothing Alec did or has done has been out of malice or not trusting Magnus. But as a leader whose choices effect not just his relationship but all of the Down World and all of the Shadowhunters he's doing the best he can with the options he's given. Magnus has trust issues and I'd like them to discuss why that is. And how Alec can show that he's different from anyone Mangus has ever been with, not because he's a Shadowhunter but because of who he is as a person.
When you look at Alec and where he is now as opposed to season one, he has come such a long way. And even though he is still closed off and takes so much on himself, he is different when he's with Mangus. It's also telling the turn around we have in Alec even from the beginning of season 2 in that he stated off the season not thinking he could live without Jace, to ending the season feeling as though he couldn't live without Magnus. That was even evidenced before he said it, when they realized the angel had been summoned and Alec's first thought was for Magnus to get to safety.
I think because Malec were so underwritten in the books and what was written about them was in many ways simplistic and childish in the way Alec reacted to Magnus' past and the way Magnus reacted to Alec's wanting to know, that show has greater free reign with them than an other characters. Again I applaud them for aging Alec, I like that he's mature, but still shows his inexperience. He's making the mistakes and suffering the growing pains of someone who is learning as he goes, someone who has no experience with relationships to draw from. That coupled with Magnus having all of this experience but still being vulnerable and easily hurt, just makes for a more interesting dynamic to watch.
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Post by dalphine on Aug 15, 2017 12:39:38 GMT -5
LadyArmand...I love your depiction on Malec relationship.
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Post by lexmoon on Aug 15, 2017 13:01:48 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Aug 15, 2017 21:21:03 GMT -5
I'm glad Alec and Magnus reconciled. I didn’t like them being at odds, though it wasn’t too antagonistic. I suppose this separation was understandable, but I hope it doesn't happen too much in the future. When the demon was strafing toward Magnus, for a moment I wondered whether Alec would take a hit to protect him. Probably better that he didn’t have to. I also hope that we get to see a bit more of the nice moments in the future as they happen, rather than as flashbacks. For a while I actually thought they killed off Jace for good. It looks like he was right that there was some kind of consequence for Clary's wish, though. It's probably not good. Simon, what did you do? I kind of like him with Maia, but it feels like that's in jeopardy now. So Jonathan probably isn’t really dead. And ... "son"? Eek... Maybe I've haven't been paying close enough attention, but the conclusion to the Valentine storyline seemed somewhat abrupt to me (I'm assuming it's basically done now). I had expected a bit more tension as the show built up to the conclusion. It doesn't really bother me, as I'm more interested in other aspects of the show. Still, as long as the next stage has a reasonably good plot I'll be happy. Will Jonathan be the primary antagonist now, I wonder? We'll find out.
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Post by Haru on Sept 13, 2017 16:21:10 GMT -5
Shadowhunters is attending NYCC 2017 on Saturday, October 7. They'll have a panel and show a preview of S3
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Post by Haru on Oct 7, 2017 13:01:59 GMT -5
New York Comic Con News
Season 3 returns Tuesday, April 3th.
Freeform just picked the show for 10 more episodes.
New York Comic Con 2017 Trailer Season 3
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Post by dmagiclight on Oct 7, 2017 18:00:12 GMT -5
looks good
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Post by Haru on Dec 14, 2017 18:03:06 GMT -5
Shadowhunters gets new premiere date March 20, 2018
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Post by dmagiclight on Dec 14, 2017 23:34:06 GMT -5
the before my Birthday
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Post by Haru on Dec 16, 2017 16:24:43 GMT -5
BTS Season 3
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Post by lexmoon on Mar 20, 2018 21:17:10 GMT -5
Malec 3X 01
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Post by dmagiclight on Mar 22, 2018 22:48:02 GMT -5
I love the scene about Jace coming back from the dead
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