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Post by Zathras on Jun 6, 2017 22:13:02 GMT -5
Aww, I forgot it was back on air yesterday. I guess I'll have to wait until yesterday's episode is available to watch online. Sigh.
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Post by sunshine0786 on Jun 6, 2017 22:40:28 GMT -5
My guess is that it wasn't Magnus at the end. I think the greater demon possessed him. He said "disgusting Warlock". I don't think he was disgusted with himself. I think Azazel was disgusted to be in a warlock body. Azazel switched Magnus and Valentine souls / minds, so now Magnus is in Valentine's Body and Valentine is in Magnus Body. That makes more sense! Edit: I just saw the preview, and now I understand where you got that from Aww, I forgot it was back on air yesterday. I guess I'll have to wait until yesterday's episode is available to watch online. Sigh. It was on the freeform website before it even finished airing. You should be able to watch online.
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Post by Zathras on Jun 7, 2017 21:11:23 GMT -5
Aww, I forgot it was back on air yesterday. I guess I'll have to wait until yesterday's episode is available to watch online. Sigh. It was on the freeform website before it even finished airing. You should be able to watch online. Heh. I checked their website last night and saw the "Sign in" text over the clip and didn't bother to click it. I just clicked it and all it had to do was verify my cable connection and started playing. I didn't know it worked that way. I'll have to remember that.
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Post by Haru on Jun 13, 2017 4:08:16 GMT -5
It was one of my favorite episodes so far!
I can not wait for more Magnus backstory.
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Post by lexmoon on Jun 13, 2017 6:35:09 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Jun 13, 2017 19:55:07 GMT -5
I'm glad they didn't drag out the body-switching story very long. I was thinking at the end that I can't blame Alec for not wanting to believe what he heard coming from Valentine's mouth. I know it was torturous for Magnus, but hopefully he understands Alec's behavior. I'm sure Alec blames himself, but I was glad that Magnus wasn't pointing fingers at Alec at the end.
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Post by LadyArmand on Jun 14, 2017 20:14:12 GMT -5
Is Alec the only person who questions the motivations of strangers? I know that Sebastian saved Izzy's life and all, but I'm so glad that Alec side eyed him. The last time someone (Jace) trusted a stranger blindly she turned out to be Valentine's daughter and all of their lives were turned upside down and inside out. I mean come on, Izzy's whole "someone is nice to me so let's trust this person blindly with our lives and take him on missions without out checking out his story about the London Institute" thing pisses me off. So what she thinks he helped her, so did Aldertree in the beginning. For someone who is supposed to be a strong independent character she sure is stupid. I mean come on. A complete stranger offers you something in a dropper and you as a drug addict blindly trust him and take it.....really? Yes it helped her, but then she thought what Aldertree gave her was helping, until she got addicted.
I'm sorry other than be British and charming what has Sebastian done to garner Clary telling him her life story. This is one of the many, many, many, reasons I can't stand Clary. Her character is weak, stupid and to top all of that off self-righteous.
I know there is suppose to be all of this chemistry between Simon and Izzy. I personally don't see it. They come off as so wooden around each other that its hard for me to watch them interact together.
Simon and Clary in bed was completely cringe worthy and to me added fuel to the fire of those fans of Malec who think that they have not been treated on the same level of the hetero couples. And while I think there is defiantly more emotional depth to the Malec pairing I am starting to agree with those who are calling for equal treatment.
I'm hoping that Magnus can understand why Alec was hesitant to believe that he was trapped in Valentine's body. I also think that because of who Alec is, even if Magnus forgives him or doesn't blame him that he'll blame himself. I think we could see the regret in Alec in their last scene together when he asked Magnus what he could do to fix this. I say that because I think he was starting to believe it until he talked to Jace. I see trouble ahead for the boys because of the memories all of this has brought up for Magnus and that he might pull back from Alec because of those memories. What also might come back into play is when he told Alec if you love me you have to believe me.
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Post by LadyArmand on Jun 20, 2017 23:36:41 GMT -5
I liked this episode in general but there are a few things I could live without.
Jace and his pouty face when seeing or hearing about anything Clary and Simon.
Clary feeling the need to leave the pub because Jace was there.
Max being a little idiot.
Jace and Maia...a whole lotta nope on that!!!
You mean to tell me that we can't see Alec and Magnus have make up sex after of a disagreement and the second round of "I love you's" but we have to be witness to the randomness of Jace and Maia groping each other in a back alley. Really...really.
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Post by dmagiclight on Jun 21, 2017 15:15:16 GMT -5
I liked this episode in general but there are a few things I could live without. Jace and his pouty face when seeing or hearing about anything Clary and Simon. Clary feeling the need to leave the pub because Jace was there. Max being a little idiot. Jace and Maia... a whole lotta nope on that!!!You mean to tell me that we can't see Alec and Magnus have make up sex after of a disagreement and the second round of "I love you's" but we have to be witness to the randomness of Jace and Maia groping each other in a back alley. Really...really. Yep It seems we can see Jace any any random girl in bed or as you say groping or Simon and Clary in bed after sex or in the case A canoe but the gays can only kiss with all there clothes on in open spaces
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Post by dmagiclight on Jun 21, 2017 15:16:47 GMT -5
I wonder if the power that be would have had Magnus cheat with the women warlock sorry forgot her name they would have sown them in bed together
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Post by Zathras on Jun 21, 2017 21:31:33 GMT -5
I'm not going to think about that possibility. Yeah, I would have liked to see a bit more between Alec and Magnus. After that hair sample incident, Alec just said "I love you," and he and Magnus seemed to get better. Some more development is needed. I'd also like to see something more suggestive, like they've done with several others (like Jace, Simon, Clary, ...). Hell, waking up in bed some morning would be a step in the right direction (if a long ways off from where I think they should be). Alas. I find it interesting that the new leader of the Shadowhunter Institute is dating a Warlock. I mostly try to ignore the Jace/Clary stuff.
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Post by sunshine0786 on Jul 10, 2017 20:13:19 GMT -5
I must say, I never imagined Jonathan Morgenstern looking like that. To be fair, in the books there was no face changing rune, or whatever you call it, so he didn't. Either way, if he looked like that as a baby, no wonder Jocelyn was terrified.
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Post by Zathras on Jul 10, 2017 22:56:12 GMT -5
So who exactly was that? Was that Valentine's child? Seems really ruthless. Poor Sebastian. At any rate... I liked the supportive words & gestures that Alec showed to Magnus. It's nice to see them get closer (even considering the circumstances). Nice to see that they often sleep in the same bed.
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Post by lexmoon on Jul 11, 2017 9:20:28 GMT -5
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Post by LadyArmand on Jul 11, 2017 17:07:49 GMT -5
Simon/Clary/Raphael...
Personally I could have done without so much love sick Simon and tragically guilty Clary. I simply didn't care about their issues. I thought the pairing was cringe worthy to begin with and now that it's over at least I don't have to see them making out ever again. So there's that.
I was starting to like Raphael a little until he showed me again last night what an asshat he can be. Someone comes to him for help {because he supposed to be a leader} and he uses it as a way to blackmail Simon. The one thing I liked about that exchange was that even though Simon was hurt about what is going on between Clary and Jace and confused about what he'd done or didn't do the night before he walked away from Raphael without betraying how he became a day lighter and thus putting an even bigger target n Jace's back.
Malec...
I wish the writers would have sent more time on what was going on with Magnus. Don't get me wrong I love what we got. But as I feel this relationship has the most depth on the show, and the actors have the most natural chemistry of all the pairings on the show, more screen time for them would be great. I love that the drama we are getting between them comes from getting to know and trust each other more. I like that it's about them developing as a couple and the bumps in the road that comes along with that.
I like that they are showing how Alec is developing into a good boyfriend because he's never been one before and so he's feeling his way through all of this. I like that the more experienced Magnus has a genuine vulnerability to him, and doesn't want to show Alec the darker elements of himself, not because he thinks Alec shouldn't know but because he is afraid Alec may turn from him. Alec making sure to look Magnus in the eye before telling him that there was nothing ugly about him was so powerful, not just because Magnus had just told him that he'd murdered his stepfather, but also because Magnus had just agreed with his stepfather that he was an abomination. Alec's statement lets Magnus know that Alec sees him as beautiful and it also tells Magnus that Alec loves him unconditionally.
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Post by sunshine0786 on Jul 11, 2017 18:15:36 GMT -5
Simon/Clary/Raphael... Personally I could have done without so much love sick Simon and tragically guilty Clary. I simply didn't care about their issues. I thought the pairing was cringe worthy to begin with and now that it's over at least I don't have to see them making out ever again. So there's that. I was starting to like Raphael a little until he showed me again last night what an asshat he can be. Someone comes to him for help {because he supposed to be a leader} and he uses it as a way to blackmail Simon. The one thing I liked about that exchange was that even though Simon was hurt about what is going on between Clary and Jace and confused about what he'd done or didn't do the night before he walked away from Raphael without betraying how he became a day lighter and thus putting an even bigger target n Jace's back. Not that I think he would have put a target on Jace's back, but revealing how he became a daylighter would have also been bad for Clary, since she also has the angel's blood in her. Although I don't know how widely known that is.
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Post by lexmoon on Jul 18, 2017 14:57:37 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Jul 20, 2017 21:24:25 GMT -5
Well, I didn't expect that. So Clary does indeed have a brother. A very .. twisted one. So what will Valentine and Jon/Sebastian do next? I kind of like Simon and Maia. Seems to be happening organically, too, which is nice. I wonder if Simon will ever tell his family that he's a vampire. I'm guessing not any time soon.
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Post by Zathras on Jul 24, 2017 22:16:12 GMT -5
I get Magnus being upset with Alec. I suppose you could call it a lie of omission. Not that they've always been totally honest with each other in the past. Still, this was a really big thing that Alec withheld. On the other hand, Alec didn't really have any good choices. Hopefully Magnus will see that at some point. I think that Clary is right about one thing: Valentine is manipulating Jonathan. I don't know why Jonathan is trusting him even one bit. Part of me hopes that Clary doesn't give up on him, and can keep him from being totally evil. On the other hand ... Sebastian/Jonathan kissed Clary. His sister. Something's not quite right there.
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Post by LadyArmand on Jul 25, 2017 0:18:29 GMT -5
I understand Magnus being upset because of all he's told Alec about himself and his past. However, I also see Alec's side of this. I'm glad that Luke sees that Alec is trying and I think at some point Magnus will that too. I agree with Zathras that Alec was between a rock and a hard place, where there really where no good or easy choices he could make. Magnus has to realize that yes Alec is his boyfriend and loves him dearly but he's also head of the Institute and Alec's decisions can get people killed if he makes he wrong ones. Sometimes silence is the lesser of two evils.
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Post by lexmoon on Jul 25, 2017 7:00:09 GMT -5
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Post by boz-ruh on Jul 25, 2017 18:25:21 GMT -5
Magnus just wants excuses to push back Alec (even he is not aware of it), if he thought he would see the reason of Alec actions. Also I just watched "Closet Monster" and I don't know if anybody else noticed, the actor plays Max also played the young Oscar (I know this movie is from 2015 I should have watch it by now it was great)
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Post by sunshine0786 on Jul 25, 2017 19:32:38 GMT -5
I think Magnus also needs to realize that Alec is just a baby compared to him. Magnus has hundreds of years of experience and Alec is barely 20. Let Magnus think back to the mistakes that he made back then, and give Alec a break for not being sure what to do in a very difficult situation.
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Post by LadyArmand on Jul 31, 2017 20:33:46 GMT -5
Okay. so that happened.
It was sad seeing how hard all of this is for both of them, and Alec and Magnus at the end, oh my. Tears and heartache. They are both leaders coming from completely different worlds and trying to figure out a way through all of that was never going to be easy. At some point something was going to happen that would place them on opposite sides. However, I have faith that something will bring them back together most likely in the finale. I say that because like Alec said they always come back to each other. When Alec didn't trust Clary, he trusted Magnus and he didn't know why but it was instinctual. That is significant because we can see just by the way Alec holds carries himself that it's hard for him to trust, it's hard for him to allow people in and it's hard for him to vulnerable.
The one thing I like about all of this is that (from what I'm hearing from daughters who read the books) that the break up isn't like the books. From what I've been told I think I would have hated how immature Alec is in the books and I really would have hated how secretive Magnus is in the books. I like that the show has aged Alec and the mistakes he is making aren't because of immaturity or petty jealousy but because of a lack of experience. Magnus is his first everything and with that there are going to be times when Alec simply has no reference point. He can't look back on past relationships to help guide him.
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Post by jazz73 on Jul 31, 2017 23:37:31 GMT -5
Wow. Best episode ever. Seeing the Malec teaser, I did not know how it would fit. Given their relationship status at the end of last week's episode. Was not expecting flashbacks. They were not only well done, but showed us what they "denied" us in those previous episodes. And I agree while it sucks to see them break up (hopefully not for long), it's good that it is an adult reason that makes sense.
And once again not only did Matthew and Harry kill every scene. Their chemistry was incredible.
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