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Dec 24, 2015 7:34:33 GMT -5
Post by kevvoi on Dec 24, 2015 7:34:33 GMT -5
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Jan 15, 2016 16:29:43 GMT -5
Post by kevvoi on Jan 15, 2016 16:29:43 GMT -5
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Jan 20, 2016 17:48:17 GMT -5
Post by kevvoi on Jan 20, 2016 17:48:17 GMT -5
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Jan 20, 2016 21:48:09 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on Jan 20, 2016 21:48:09 GMT -5
Cool.
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Jan 28, 2016 20:27:54 GMT -5
Post by kevvoi on Jan 28, 2016 20:27:54 GMT -5
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Mar 30, 2016 16:45:41 GMT -5
Post by kevvoi on Mar 30, 2016 16:45:41 GMT -5
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Post by overtherainbow on Mar 31, 2016 0:36:49 GMT -5
It's incredible to have Jamal being openly gay and proud and fighting for acceptance for a season and a half only for him to sleep with a woman. It's so incredibly offensive and homophobic. I literally had to stop watching. It's sad because I genuinely like Jussie Smollett. I just can't get past what thry did to Jamal. It's unforgivable imo.
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Mar 31, 2016 12:01:05 GMT -5
Post by artique69 on Mar 31, 2016 12:01:05 GMT -5
I just read about this storyline, I stpped in the 3rd episode of season 2. The show just got crazy and made no sense. Season 1 still is amazing.
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Mar 31, 2016 19:37:06 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on Mar 31, 2016 19:37:06 GMT -5
Yeah, having Jamal sleep with a woman was incredibly disappointing. Empire started really strong in season 1. I really enjoyed it. But toward the end of season 1 they really started rushing the story and it felt like they lost their way a bit. At any rate... I don't have much to say about last night. I totally expected Rhonda to lose the baby , and I really hope she remembers what's-her-name's shoe and puts 2 & 2 together. I still don't like Lucious; he's a vile thug. I liked Jamal and Hakeem as amicable brothers in that one scene; I really liked their relationship in the first part of season 1. Jamal and Cookie's conversation about sexuality was ... unexpected.
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Apr 28, 2016 22:32:46 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on Apr 28, 2016 22:32:46 GMT -5
So Michael made an appearance yesterday. Unfortunately I'm guessing it was just a one-off. I've been wondering whether they would get Jamal another love interest before the end of the season. But I don't think there are many episodes left this season so I don't hold much hope. As long as they don't do something dumb with him instead.
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Post by overtherainbow on Apr 29, 2016 3:14:41 GMT -5
So Michael made an appearance yesterday. Unfortunately I'm guessing it was just a one-off. I've been wondering whether they would get Jamal another love interest before the end of the season. But I don't think there are many episodes left this season so I don't hold much hope. As long as they don't do something dumb with him instead. Nah.. you see Jamal is suddenly "sexually fluid" now (nevermind all of season one stating the opposite). He's not gay anymore. I'm betting his next love interest will be a woman, just like the last one. They have neutered Jamal just like they do with every single gay male characater on tv. My bet is either they will give Jamal a female love interest, or he will be without a bf/love life for the remainder of the show.
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Apr 29, 2016 19:25:33 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on Apr 29, 2016 19:25:33 GMT -5
Well, that would be dumb, but I don't really think they'll go there. I actually kept expecting another scene with Jamal and Michael later in the episode, but it never came. They seemed to be reconnecting (a bit) in the same circumstance that apparently helped bring them together in the first place. Considering this show, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they got back together offscreen between seasons 2 and 3 (it did get renewed, didn't it??). I guess we'll see.
Either way, I like Jamal better now that he's mostly focusing on music, like he was at the beginning of season 1. It sounds like that's part of what drew Michael to him in the first place. I thought the scheming and running-Empire-thing never suited him.
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May 5, 2016 20:21:07 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on May 5, 2016 20:21:07 GMT -5
Well, that was unexpected. So Jamal is going to try things with the ASA guy for a while (don't remember his name). I didn't actually expect the show would bother to try another love interest for him this season, so I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm not quite sure why Jamal was so quick to go back to him after his "principled" stand against being with a closeted guy. Oh, well, I'm not expecting much more to happen for the rest of the season. I really want Rhonda to remember that Anika pushed her down the stairs. Anika really has a psychopathic streak. That scene with Lucious and his mother at the end was really creepy. I kept expecting her to attack him with that knife.
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Post by sonia38 on May 7, 2016 21:48:06 GMT -5
I really don't know what to say about Jamal and D Major or whatever his name is. I don't know why Jamal would get involved with a guy on the down low. One week Michael's back, you can see Jamal is still very upset about what happened between them, he still loves Michael, the next week he's making out with a guy he literally just met, I'm just shaking my head. Jamal's just all over the place. Now I know not to believe a darn thing these show runners says, they'll say anything to keep you watching. I had hope J&M could have work things out but oh well.
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May 8, 2016 5:14:33 GMT -5
Post by overtherainbow on May 8, 2016 5:14:33 GMT -5
I really don't know what to say about Jamal and D Major or whatever his name is. I don't know why Jamal would get involved with a guy on the down low. One week Michael's back, you can see Jamal is still very upset about what happened between them, he still loves Michael, the next week he's making out with a guy he literally just met, I'm just shaking my head. Jamal's just all over the place. Now I know not to believe a darn thing these show runners says, they'll say anything to keep you watching. I had hope J&M could have work things out but oh well. That much was clear when they had openly gay Jamal sleeping with a woman.
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May 12, 2016 13:34:42 GMT -5
Post by overtherainbow on May 12, 2016 13:34:42 GMT -5
So.. first they de-gay Jamal, then they shoot him. Poor guy, can't catch a break! I'd laugh if they kill him off though, just another dead gay. In other words: nothing new here!
SPOILER:
And it seems like Jussie Smollett did indeed confirm his departure on Twitter. So say BYE BYE to Jamal.
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May 12, 2016 22:15:06 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on May 12, 2016 22:15:06 GMT -5
Oh, dammit. Freda shot Jamal. Alright. I've tolerated Lucious until now (barely). But now he can get lost. I never really believed he actually changed his opinion of Jamal or gays. And I don't think he actually felt guilty at the hospital when he was talking with Cookie about what he had said to Jamal. So Lucious can shed all the crocodile tears he wants; I don't give a damn any more what happens to him. At least Jamal hit a very raw nerve, so that's something. Lucious can dish it out but can't take it. I'm not surprised. I don't think anything has been confirmed about Jussie leaving Empire yet. When I searched around I got some conflicting information. I would hate for Jussie to leave, so I'm going to wait and see.
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Post by overtherainbow on May 13, 2016 1:28:19 GMT -5
SPOILER:
Jussie confirmed that he's leaving.
Here is the tweet:
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dmagiclight
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May 13, 2016 14:01:32 GMT -5
Post by dmagiclight on May 13, 2016 14:01:32 GMT -5
With Jamal gone no more reason to watch however I do love cookie
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May 13, 2016 19:09:08 GMT -5
Post by sonia38 on May 13, 2016 19:09:08 GMT -5
Jussie is not gone, he's still on the show and will be back next season. He's in the season finale. Too bad it looks like we'll be stuck with that down low guy D Major for a while. I can't stand him.
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May 13, 2016 20:00:44 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on May 13, 2016 20:00:44 GMT -5
Jamal will definitely be back in the season finale. Whether he's conscious is another question. At a bare minimum, they have to wrap up the shooting story, one way or another.
Jussie's tweet is ambiguous. It could be interpreted as him leaving, but it's definitely not a confirmation. The show hasn't said anything, either. So until he or the show confirm it, I will wait and see.
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carld2
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May 14, 2016 2:25:16 GMT -5
Post by carld2 on May 14, 2016 2:25:16 GMT -5
That seems like a fakeout type tweet to me.
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Jun 5, 2016 9:44:08 GMT -5
Post by atlanticslide on Jun 5, 2016 9:44:08 GMT -5
I just marathoned the first two seasons and I'm totally hooked on this show. I love (mostly) everyone, and especially Jamal. It was hard to see his shift early on in Season 2 to being Lucious's lackey, especially after everything Lucious has said and done to him, so I loved his shift back to focusing on music, repairing his relationship with Cookie and Hakim, etc. I'll also go against the grain and say that I really liked the episodes with Alicia Keys and thought that was an interesting relationship - I didn't find it homophobic or offensive, they certainly didn't suddenly turn him straight. I think the characters just shared something very intense and connecting in their bond writing the song, and things like that happen sometimes. After they had some distance from it, Jamal reiterated that he's a gay man, ultimately he's really only attracted to men, etc, and other than Lucious needling him about it and other people trying to give him shit for it, there's been no hint that Jamal is into women other than for this one moment.
I'm really interested in where they might go with Jamal/D Major and am really into them (I found Michael unbelievably boring so I'm glad he's gone), though I don't really get what caused Jamal's change from not wanting to have a relationship in secret to being cool with it. And I would've liked to see some fallout from the studio scene in front of Lucious - Jamal signed up for a secret relationship, but D Major's outburst to cover things up was pretty cold and nasty.
Looking forward to seeing where they go with Jamal's recovery, depression, his relationship with Frieda, not wanting to sing anymore, etc. Everything I've read says that he's definitely still on the show and next season is going to address a number of those things.
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 23, 2016 5:35:10 GMT -5
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Oct 9, 2016 6:30:56 GMT -5
Post by kevvoi on Oct 9, 2016 6:30:56 GMT -5
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