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Post by lolaruns on Mar 16, 2009 7:15:35 GMT -5
Well I guess it could be an Olli/Coco moment. Who after all got great pop song in the background, neat background location, long closeup tongue kiss. But it does seem weird doesn't it? I remember I said before I found it odd that Stella's checking Charlie out during the dance didn't really have one great swelling music moment. It just seems weird that at the moment Starla seem to have a lot more "swelling music moments". I would class the hug under this is well, because it was built up a lot, long reaction shots from both sides and then Sarah walked in giving it all a caught in the act quality. To me that is also the top "Fr. Wis, do you KNOW what you are trying to portray" moment for me, mostly for the WTF way Stella almost seems like she is gunning for that hug in the scene before Carla gives in. Err, should she really be into this? And the scene at the club, it wasn't really a romantic scene, but Stella definitely did look like she didn't have a care in the world even though at this point she is supposed to already be into Charlie. It is possible that this is essentially Coco/Olli/Christian and that Stella will give Carla her own version of the "Ain't gonna happen" speech on monday. And that the Charlie kiss will go along the lines of the Ollian first botched kiss only with less yelling. Charlie first saying she is indifferent and they can be friends and it doesn't matter because it's not like she has feelings for Stella, but then of course eventually she starts flashing back to the kiss, blablabla. Except of course the comparison falls short not because the potentially chosen couple (Starlie) doesn't have much chemistry, it's also that even during the Coco/Olli time there were still important Olli/Christian moments even before things turned romantic. When they kept having this little conflicts and resolutions (fight about whether Christian is a homophobe, fight about Coco telling Olli about Christian's time in jail) that were really between them. Starlie haven't had anything that was their personal conflict. There is of course also that Olli kissed Coco before he had his "aha" moment with Christian, probably so he would look less of a dick that he macking on the girlfriend when he has already decided that he likes her boyfriend more. Plus of course it just seems like an awful lot of time to waste on a Olli/Coco type of pairing. BTW speaking of Hanna here is a pretty clever video that tries to interlace Carla/Hanna and Carla/Stella. And that was before Starla had their own club scene.
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Post by mona on Mar 16, 2009 8:23:57 GMT -5
I think someone on the official board had a point saying that Starla is mostly liked because of Carla. That's why every lovestory with her works. Maybe that's why people don't mind Stellas lack of feelings because they concentrate on Carla and just assume Stella has feelings because it's Carla. Sometimes I have the feeling they're reading too much into it and Starla really isn't that deep from Stellas point of view. It's also that I can't feel the friction everyone is talking about there. They kissed twice and nothing happened with Stella. I fear their first sex could be the same. What I don't doubt anymore is that they're coming together. Either they're leaving then or their big time begins at the end of the year (would make sense if Chrolli end somehow and they get one more big story and next year Starla could be in the weird ard banner) Or Stella and Carla don't find together on an emotional level and Carla leaves. I think it's one of the reasons why I'm more attached to Christian and Olli because they're more an item than Carla and her love interests. If it comes to the point where Stella has feelings I will be more like "Das fällt dir aber früh ein..." I found their first date was silly as well. Right now too many people are in it and I can't see honest feelings between them (rare one is the hug) Stella is talking to Olli/Gregor/Charlie and Carla to Sarah and Nathalie. But their behaviour makes it somehow clear Starla is something serious because Olli is always like "right..." when Stella says she isn't feeling anything for Carla. That are the only moments when I think Stella likes Carla. But then she's acting so idiotic. Carla told her she loves her and she's acting like nothing happened. She isn't even thinking about it. Right now I don't understand why Starla supporters say Stella is afraid of her feelings and that she's the right one for Carla.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 16, 2009 8:38:56 GMT -5
I thought Anke was pretty unpopular? Not to mention, there is plenty of people who hated SuCa but like Starla now.
I always wondered if there there is a a basic snootiness in it, that they want somebody for Carla who is as good looking as her and Susanne was too plain.
On the other hand, looking at some older SuCa clips, I can see why it might not appeal to some because on some level it feels like it was more Susanne's story than Carla's at least in parts. Not as badly as it is now when it is very obviously more Carla's story (told from her POV) than Stella's, but still. Kinda like Carla was Susanne's glorious prize and later it was about Susanne and her beginning feelings for Lars. So I could see why this story might be better for some because so far it is all Carla running up and down the emotional ladder, happy, sad, jealous, angry, vulnerable, seductive. If somebody gets their rocks off on CH's acting, I can see why it might work for them. And why to them Stella seem like something good for Carla because she is making Carla feel all these things again, because it messes with Carla and gets her out of her too set in ways.
I don't get a fear vibe from her either (though I do think that subconcious fear is something you can always pull, see JuCon).
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Post by mona on Mar 16, 2009 11:41:00 GMT -5
Anke/Evelyn(?)/Marina were basically the affair storys I think. I don't remember the reactions but it was a lot like Starla "Carlas acting is so great, Did you see how pretty Carla was? or Carla has chemistry with everyone" Just that with Stella it's about something with love and emotion - a bigger VL story and that's why Stella has to get feelings. I do think Stella isn't treated like David for example because she's with Carla. Of course not everyone is thinking like that and Starla is pretty cute sometimes but it's not convenient sometimes when I read Chrolli is "bad" because of the acting but they admit to like Starla even though Stella isn't the best actress. And that's when I think it's about Carla and if Starla break up because Carla falls in love with a new girl it's not that hard for some Starla fans because they still have Carla and she's the most important part. It's making it easier for Starla somehow because they already have a solid fanbase when a lovestory begins. (I don't know but I'm curious how that would be if Chrolli end and there's something new, not that I wish for the situation but I'd find it interesting though)
The Susanne/Carla hate was for me too something about Carla because she deserves better. But Carla was still "the best" for most antis. It was always "Susanne is embarrassing".
I don't even think they can do it like JuCon. There was a connection. They were best friends and Judith cared about him. I think Stella likes Carla but if Carla is going away or whatever she wouldn't cry or she wouldn't feel bad about having a new love (like in the spoiler: telling Carla she's in love with Charlie
And Judith and Constantin had more a teenager storyline. Some Starla fans like the story because it's working slow but if Stella has feelings out of the blue that would be the opposite direction. Rushed and not a mature love story
I'm liking Stella more and more lately. She's really cute but I hope they don't "destroy" her for Carla, just to make her another "milestone" in Carlas life. I had the feeling they made that with Hanna because it was there to give Carla a first love.
I remember some people said Chrolli was too much Christian (kinda true sometimes) but Starla is 80% Carla. That' a lot.And what Stella is getting she gets with Charlie and not with Carla.
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Post by lugia on Mar 16, 2009 19:12:07 GMT -5
If straight people can suffer from this, why shouldn't lesbians be able to as well? Why shouldn't that kind of intensity of feelings be also be possible in more normal situations (I wasn't looking for something serious/I was afraid my feelings might not be strong enough/I want to be there for you but I can't explain it, blablabla...) rather than just when it comes to sexual confusion? After all people can be confused on relationship issues and have commitment issues even without the added issue of sexual confusion. You make a good point. I think the level of intensity is what viewers have been making up and it's not there on screen. Without filling in the blanks, I see pretty much nothing on screen. And I have nothing to base my conjecture on, so I can't guarantee what I read into it is even intended this way. There are some factual sentences thrown at the viewer (Carla is in love with Stella) or the direction tries to tell us that Stella is seeing Charlie with new eyes. But all the subtext that would normally help form their bond to each other and the viewer, like addressing Carla's issues from the previous years on the show, is missing. It may be simple writing, and not the depth we're used to from Chroust, sexual orientation being involved or not, or the writers just don't want to create a deep relationship between these characters. That is my main point of confusion. Are we supposed to be hooked to the new super couple or treat this as a minor distraction that will come to an end soon? Are we supposed to treat the whole soap as a coffee table magazine? Or riveting drama? I'm just glad I'm not so much into it. Imagine Christian would've left for Goa and Ollian never happened! I really appreciated their linear story, even if I agree that it could've been longer.
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Post by lugia on Mar 16, 2009 19:23:41 GMT -5
I think next time maybe VL should try to go for an actress with some type of decent acting skills instead of someone who can walk well down a catwalk. I actually don't have a lot of problems with Anne's acting. Mascha (Luise) is terrific and I still find the GreLu stuff lackluster. She has a pompous set and some real obstacles to overcome, but it's almost more of a stage play and not as relatable as Ollian. Which may just be my preference of the non-castle setting. But my point is, if the writing is intended in a certain way (like dumbed down for mainstream/fairytale-like), even acting can't change much of what's on the page. I think Mascha has been playing it a 100% like it's intended, but the spark is not really carrying over to me because it's not authentic enough. It's too structured. I don't want to watch a play, I want to feel part of it. At least we get casual Gregor/Stella and Olli/Stella scenes out of the actress. Luise is much more isolated.
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Post by brownsugar on Mar 16, 2009 20:48:41 GMT -5
I'm actually really happy for the Carla fans who have had to wait for quite a while for the Olli and Christian storyline to play out. Sure I would love for Olli and Christian to have another major storyline, but its only fair that the lesbian storyline get their equal time.
Here is my beef...the storyline just doesn't carry much depth and I have no idea exactly what direction is planned. The Carla/Stella/Charlie triangle is written as though the writes are just waiting to see what pairing sells. I just don't know if the writers plan to have a love story between Carla/Stella, Stella/Charlie or will it be a JuCu redux between Carla/Stella. Top this off with not much chemistry between Stella and Charlie to make it convincing that Stella is in love with Charlie.
I think the fans of Carla will embrace this storyline no matter which way the wind blows because they have had to wait so long for this. I would most likely feel the same way if Ollian had nothing for one or two years.
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Post by brownsugar on Mar 16, 2009 21:09:22 GMT -5
I think next time maybe VL should try to go for an actress with some type of decent acting skills instead of someone who can walk well down a catwalk. I actually don't have a lot of problems with Anne's acting. Mascha (Luise) is terrific and I still find the GreLu stuff lackluster. She has a pompous set and some real obstacles to overcome, but it's almost more of a stage play and not as relatable as Ollian. Which may just be my preference of the non-castle setting. But my point is, if the writing is intended in a certain way (like dumbed down for mainstream/fairytale-like), even acting can't change much of what's on the page. I think Mascha has been playing it a 100% like it's intended, but the spark is not really carrying over to me because it's not authentic enough. It's too structured. I don't want to watch a play, I want to feel part of it. At least we get casual Gregor/Stella and Olli/Stella scenes out of the actress. Luise is much more isolated. I haven't been following the Luise/Gregor grandiose fairytale, so I can't really comment much, except to say that these type of syrupy type love stories don't attract me. But quite often they do bring in the viewers who often flock to these type of story-lines. And lets be honest, VL have had some rating issues lately, although ratings have increased lately, they need to get better. So the writers have to hold onto their base while at the same time attract more viewers. Gregor is such a wonderful layered character, it would have been nice to have something a little more complex for him instead of this pauper type role of him falling for a princess he is not able to recognize, even under a simple eye mask. Then again, he has been through plenty of angst ridden story-lines in the past with his now ex Sarah. Maybe the writers figured something more positive for Gregor this time around.
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Post by lugia on Mar 16, 2009 22:21:08 GMT -5
I think the fans of Carla will embrace this storyline no matter which way the wind blows because they have had to wait so long for this. I would most likely feel the same way if Ollian had nothing for one or two years. I guess I'm just not that loyal. ;D I love Gregor, but I wouldn't stick around if the storyline didn't attract me. I finally gave up on Nuke on ATWT, too. Ollian has the benefit of having been together for a year now, so nothing upsetting has happened yet and you still feel there's potential. But I think their dry spell has driven fans away, too. My problem is that whenever someone mentions something better, I'll flock to that. Like when Lola introduced Guiding Light and the recognition it's reveiving, I'm already more attracted to that than Starla. TV is a fickle business. If viewers can't grasp which pairing is even intended, they might opt for "wait and see" and not become truly hooked. And it's easier to dump a show you're just watching on the side. I think the weird thing is that Carla is so attached to Stella. It started with Carla not liking Stella, so there's already been a turnaround. If Starla was intended from the start and the writers found that Anne wouldn't be good enough to pull it off, they could've pulled the plug at any time, have Carla forget about Stella. Like you say, the Carla fans will follow her story. Why give Stella a new love interest and not Carla? Because seeing them together will make Carla jealous and she'll open up? This whole thing seems like a "lesson" for Carla to me, especially because the two other actresses are more minor characters. Just that it led to happy times with Christian, and for Carla it seems more like an exit.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 17, 2009 3:11:42 GMT -5
I don't really think so. For example Nina and Erika who came before Carla were closer in look to Susanne than to Carla. Paula and Franzi from GZSZ are really young. Most of the time they look like pretty normal fresh faced young girls to me. Cute as a button type rather than glamorous. Franzi was more the girly girl (I think she was even a model on the show for a while), while Paula was studying to be a cop so she spent a decent amount of time running around in cop uniforms. Harumi and Saskia from an older GZSZ story: Tanja and Suzanne on Lindenstrasse: Pictures of some others here. Of course one of the most recognizable German tv lesbians is Katy Karrerbauer as Walter (who guested on VL as Nathalie's evil prison guard) who played a T-Bag/Adebisi like villain on a woman's prison show: Meanwhile the show also had a lesbian couple: Seems that short brown hair and dressed slightly down is much more a standard for German tv lesbians Or brown hair in a simple pony tail I think most of them don't feel like Carla to me because few tv characters in general on German tv are this rich and therefore this glam.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 17, 2009 5:01:43 GMT -5
I can see some point to this though. For one, Carla has had a lot of love stories and a lot of history. Since Stella is a new character, she and Carla are not on the same level. So giving her a love interest might be an attempt to broaden her as a character. She has her own family, her own love interest, etc. Just look at Luise who arrives with her own entourage of supporting characters (a confidante in Maria, a former love interest in Eduard, an invisible family off screen and invented history with the Lahnsteins) to create the illusion of history and depth so she can hope to match Gregor's history. As to why not just dump Stella and give Carla somebody new? I don't think that is that easy. For one VL has shown before that it is not that terribly flexible. it might not be as completely tied down as the telenovelas are, but generally they don't diverge from settle on or at least not quickly. And there is the factor that a lot of fans of Carla think that she already has had so many love stories, it's not that easy to sell her have another and another and another one. It's not like Gregor who in the eyes of the viewers always came close to true love but something always fell short and didn't work out and who is therefore in their eyes due for a real love. Carla in the eyes of the fans has had real love twice before. Her finding it a third time is just barely a feasible stretch. And as a character, it is not everyday that Carla falls so hard for somebody. I think if things ended badly with Stella, I think the most likely thing that would happen to Carla is that she would date women kind of like the women she tried to date last fall and who turned out to be straight. A type closer to Fredericke. Along the lines of "We are both rich, glam, good looking and have common interests, let's have sex and some dating". Except Carla herself has said she wants something deeper than that, while at the same time finding it hard to really put herself out there. It appears to be a really good story. Apparently Olivia was a semi-evil sexy kitten/bitch character for a long time while Natalia is the stereotypical saintly one. I think at one point they were even in love with the same guy? Anyway, I think Natalia's true love guy died and his heart was put into Olivia. They struck up a friendship, moved into a house together and have been taking care of Natalia's daughter and supporting each other in career related stuff and the like. Apparently this has been going on for a year and only a short while ago they did one of those convoluted story excuse kisses (they kiss, but it's not a real kiss). After it Olivia realized that she has developed feelings for Natalia and Natalia has begun trying to pray away the attraction for Olivia. So, it seems like a fairly deep and complex story. However, it shows both the benefits and downfalls of really slow storytelling. Because the story really only became popular after the kiss/admissions of attractions. Before I'm sure pretty much anybody who had come across the story earlier would have reacted with "Yeah, it's a semi interesting story about female friendship, but why bother get invested in it when they are probably never going to hook up?". But the flipside is that now that the show has defined it as romantic and has made promises that it will turn into more people who get in the story NOW have about a year of depth and backstory they can go through and awwww and oohhhh about how it is all linked and how events that were probably fairly boring back then influence the reactions of the characters now. I have no idea where Starla will go, but it is potentially possible that if they hook up one year from now, this time period will look like "Ah, it was obvious!". I kinda compare it to us looking at old Ollian clips and going "Look, Christian gets to mad at Ollli, it's obvious he is already drawn to him!" or "Look Olli is holding a banana, it's a sign!". Yet a decent number of not fans went through this time period and not having this reaction and in turn then felt it was contrieved and out of the blue that Christian would fall for Olli as quickly. Because they saw Christian be angry and went "Well that probably means that he is angry/homophobic" while the fans might say "Oh that means that he is subliminating his attraction". While the non-fans might answer with "What, now that's just silly". It's probably the same here with non-fans going "Well if Stella says she likes Charlie and that the kiss with Carla was not a big deal that she probably really isn't into Carla." While the fans go "OMG, Stella is walking up and down nervously and talking really fast, that prooves that she is into Carla and just trying to talk herself down". I actually think that reading the reactions and analyzations of the Starlafans is almost more entertaining than the story itself. I'm not really sure I buy half of it, (and there really should be a moratorium on the word "grosses Kino/instant classic") but it's really fun/cute to see fans who are as hyperactive and excitedly overanalyzing about their storyline as Ollian fans can be. Kinda show that the fans of lesbian stories and gay stories probably aren't all that different at heart. There are probably more people who enjoy Gregor/Luise, but it just doesn't seem to inspire this kind of fanwanking. I'm still not convinced that I really like Starla, however, I have to break a lance for stories that aren't clearly defined ahead. Sure, stories that are laid out and promised from the start can give you a great sense of security. I think with Ollian it was pretty much settled from the moment that Olli had his swelling music moment at the cabin that they would be a couple. Because everybody knows that Chroust is gay and cares about gay storylines, because he brought Olli back specifically, because they were put in the banner before they were even much of a couple, because Chroust even gave an interview where he said they'd be happy. That is a wonderful state to be in. I think the Gregor/Luise fans probably feel the same way. However, the flipside of this to me are couples like Sebastian and Lydia. I don't even bother watching their scenes anymore because it doesn't really matter what kind of big issue they are discussing this week or whichever way the writing tries to contort itself to try and make them interesting, the bottom line is always the same anyway. I think a show where every single major couple is already laid down and very obviously laid down in advance (where you can feel that in every scene and it is telegraphed far ahead) would be boring. Because it would just essentially be characters being forced into narrow tracks that they follow blindly. There would be no excitement or surprise at all. I think spelled out and laid down couples who are gone through from beginning to end are important because it gives the show a sense of stablility and security. But if all stories were like that it would be a pretty boring show. I kinda view Starla to be a bit like Rebecca/David. Where I generally don't know what will happen. And for a change that can also be an interesting state to be in. At least with Starla I occasionally still check back not because I like them so much but because I want to see if (a) my opinion of them has changed (or whether I at least I want to change my bet on what will happen) and (b) which side turned out to be right (the ones who think they'll be a couple or the ones who don't think that they'll be a couple). Lydia/Sebastian don't have that effect on me at all because they are too nailed down, they have just become completely forgettable/waste of air to me whenever they are together. I don't particularly like David/Rebecca, but I still want them to hook up on some level. Because it seems like the writing is making occasional hints and cues and I want to see whether I was right. That said, I don't think that Starla is a particularly deep relationship yet, so I can see why it might not hold much interest for people who are looking for something like that. So far they still seem stuck in the stage of "I feel drawn to you/I feel attracted to you, I think if we got together maybe it could be special and interesting" (or rather Carla is feeling it strongly, with Stella it might just be tentative curiosity). As opposed to two people who have a lot in common already. Compared to that GreLu is a lot more laid down. They both love helicopters. She wants to be free. There's your story concept right there. And that's pretty much how deep it goes. To me it seems a bit like that seems to be part of the new unsubtle writing style. It kinda reminds me like of when I first saw the Tom and Ulli clips and I was shocked how much I didn't like it, how clunky and unappealing the writing seemed to be. It's like for every 2 minutes of actual genuine interaction there had to be 30 minutes of Tom and Ulli running off to Nick or Nina or whoever and cleanly dissect everything that happened in that 2 minutes rather than letting it stand on its own. That seems to sometimes be the style of current VL as well. It's sometimes almost like there is a guy standing in the background shaking his fist and proclaiming "No action shall go uncommented". Gregor and Luise are actually cute to me in the little moment that feel genuine. Like when Luise kissed the cheek of sleeping Gregor or when she rode on the back of his bycicle. But my central impression of the story is that it is 90% Luise sneaking out to the hangar and then coming home commenting/reflecting. Like having a flashback of things that just happened. Or rehashing her conflict over and over again with with Maria. Or doing this hilarious unsubtle thing: "tilt head to the right and smile fondly thinking of Gregor. Then tilt head to the left side and furrow brow thinking of Eduard. Repeat 128972978 times". It's so predictable it's almost hilarious. Except you know, not very fun. Carla does the same thing. Most of the time whenever something happens between her and Stella she immediately runs to Sarah to disect it rather than just letting it stand. Sometimes those convos are actually good and provide actual insight. But some other times it's just annoying and puts you out of the mood. Most glaring example: During Sebastian's abduction Stella comes to help Carla. She sees Carla, goes over to her, touches her shoulder and tells her she came in on her day off to help the family. Carla jumps up, tells her she shouldn't have bothered and she should go again. Ok, small moment. Carla is testy. But as soon as Stella is gone Carla sits down for a long conversation with Sarah where she spells out for us that of course she is worried about Sebastian and of course she has trouble keeping it apart and she only sent Stella away because she is in love with Stella and was worried about having her around. You know, just in case we might get the wrong impression. I think this is why the hug is one of the better Starla scenes to me because I think that is one of the few things that Carla didn't dissect and rehash and that just happened. And IMO the moment would have been much, much better if they had just cut all the conversing and rehashing with Sarah. If the show had left it less spelled out that Carla is having trouble keeping it apart. And if the hug had really been the first time Carla admits on screen how tough it is on her. That would actually have made it a lot more special if Stella is the first person she admits it too rather than just the first non-family person. But I guess that goes to show that sometimes the main stories are almost smothered with drama and commentary. And how sometimes the smaller stories like David/Rebecca or Matthias/Nathalie or Ollian and the NL can develop almost more naturally because not every little moment is disected this much.
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Post by lugia on Mar 17, 2009 19:10:49 GMT -5
Carla does the same thing. Most of the time whenever something happens between her and Stella she immediately runs to Sarah to disect it rather than just letting it stand. Sometimes those convos are actually good and provide actual insight. But some other times it's just annoying and puts you out of the mood. That's really perceptive. I don't think it has ever reached the Gero/Lukas or Tom/Ulli lengths of rehash again, but that was the old German writing style. It's sort of like the analysis of a soccer game. Some people want to watch the game and some people want to dissect it later on. It's the German attention to detail and nitpicking, general moaning and self-reflecting nature. They cannot just let it stand, they have to become over the top enthusiastic or throw the baby out with the bathwater and put everything down. Maybe it's a competitive streak or insecurities. But in the case of Starla, you where breathing a sigh of relief when they finally got some alone time, which immediately led to two kisses and a hug. Just that with Ollian they sort of managed to keep the momentum going, maybe because they talked to each other about it later in the chat. I agree with you that with Starla you're immediately put out of the mood. Carla couldn't wait until Stella was back at work, which was a start, but when they finally talked, Stella said she was into another woman. The writers are giving too little and taking too much away. I almost see more Sarah/Carla and Stella/Olli based on their frequent discussions.
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Post by lugia on Mar 17, 2009 19:19:31 GMT -5
And if the hug had really been the first time Carla admits on screen how tough it is on her. That would actually have made it a lot more special if Stella is the first person she admits it too rather than just the first non-family person. Ollian was great because they were the only ones in on the secret. And the absent Coco. I almost fear the same will happen to Gregor because he's the last to learn who Luise is. Normally, on "Forbidden Love," the couples share a secret/intimate knowledge. Like Leo/Cecile or SaLeo. So Carla opening up to Stella, who really helped this process along by constantly offering her help, would've indeed be perfect. Instead, Stella is the last person to see through her facade. Rebecca/David works because they commiserated over Rebecca losing her internship, which she didn't tell her family for months!
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Post by kes on Mar 19, 2009 9:44:53 GMT -5
I haven't had time to comment, but I appreciate this discussion, particularly your dialog on predictability. I can't stand stories that seem layed out in advance, either, partiularly when the layout is uninteresting and cliche.
I suppose Ollian worked because the interactions remained very interesting even after the cabin scene. I, of course, watched it after the fact -- so I can understand a general audience may have become impatient. Yet it was so well written.
I like the fact that I don't know what's going to happen with Stella, too. This seems rather fun. I just don't appreciate the perhaps too predictable/rehashed drama/misery Carla has to go through. I'd wish a bit better for her -- something with a little twist, a little fun along the way.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 27, 2009 13:19:16 GMT -5
Carla was so hilarious today in the scene where oh so subtly tries to talk Charlie into dating men again. She talked to Charlie like Charlie was a 5 year old ("You just have to open your eyes really wiiiiiiiide!", but somehow the effect was highly amusing.
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Post by lugia on Mar 27, 2009 22:31:28 GMT -5
Carla looked so pretty today! I don't know how Stella could replace her, should Claudia Hiersche leave in the near future.
I don't know what I see between Charlie/Stella or any of the other variations (not much), but I know that Carla is good for the deepest emotions. I kinda want the other two to get together and a less childish love interest for Carla. Someone like Cecile. Wasn't she close with Charlie, too? Someone unique. Stella is too flawless.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 28, 2009 4:07:06 GMT -5
LIke some people have said on the CH boards, Carla/Luise would have been really, really hot. And Carla has never had an aristocratic love interest, has she? Yes, Cecile/Charlie were really close friends. I would totally love if it Charlie admitted that the woman was either Cecile or even better Clarissa (if it was a one sided crush; though Charlie made it sound more like it was an actual relationship)
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Post by lugia on Mar 28, 2009 17:57:22 GMT -5
And Carla has never had an aristocratic love interest, has she? I liked her dynamic with that business partner awhile back. I think VL has been going for the "opposites attract" appeal with lively Stella and middleclass Susanne, but perfect Carla meeting someone who can hold her own is maybe a more interesting option. Someone even more successful, so Carla gets to loosen up a bit and can take her guard down because that person has her back / understands the pressure. Carla is wearing the pants at the castle and holding, so a cozy relationship where she can be just a woman might be good for her. Having common interests could lead to playful competition, like Olli & Christian both being waiters. They could still be different in other aspects.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 30, 2009 14:13:22 GMT -5
I know I shouldn't laugh at Carla's misery but Claudia H is just soooo good at it. Particularly where Stella freely starts writing RPS fiction about Charlie on the spot.
[Charlie has just admitted that she had a crush on a woman in the past at the age of 16] Stella: Wow. A real romance! With the exchange of notes and making out on the horse farm! Charlie: No it was my teacher! Stella: Even better! An experienced woman who introduces young Charlie to the secrets of loooove. *Carla looks like she is about to puke*
I'm still not sure whether Stella meant that seriously or did it precisely to annoy Carla.
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Post by lugia on Mar 30, 2009 19:41:16 GMT -5
I think she thought Carla had long left the room. They were living in their own little world. They looked kind of startled when Carla excused herself. But, yeah, that was some pretty vivid imagination!! And it made me realize how little I know about lesbian cliches because I never read femslash! I could really buy into that sneaking off at the horse farm idea.
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Post by mona on Mar 30, 2009 21:37:13 GMT -5
Starla almost looked like they both want something from Charlie. The way Carla smiled just because she ruined Stellas trip was not nice. The bickering is kinda cute between them (I still don't buy the real love , they don't have a "I'd help you anytime even though you'll never love me back" - Olli - thing but they could have a good romance like Nico and Andi had) Mabey they'll give Stella affairs if Carla leaves (like Carla had women like Anke or Evelyn from time to time)
What I would really like is Stella/Maria. They don't have to make Maria a lesbian, Stella could know something about Marias secret (if Maria is the lost Francesca or something else) and she'll seduce Stella to control her.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 31, 2009 1:13:22 GMT -5
It's interesting that Carla goes back and forth between saying she wants to wait for Stella or fight for Stella and treating her feelings for Stella like on ugly rash she wants to get rid of. One of the Starlas made a good point, namely that Carla so far hasn't made much effort to get to know Stella as a person, her likes and dislikes, like trying to grill Gregor/Christian/Olli for details or just asking her. (Since the theme of the episode was about hearing about the past of your desired person. )
Something along the lines of Stella hearing more about Charlie's love for opera from Olli or showing interest in Charlie's business.
Even on their date, the only thing we really found out was that Stella really likes that club and doesn't want Gregor to know, because they spent most of thei date pretending to be other people.
Maybe that's the downside in a way of Carla being Stella's boss. Because it means that anytime she wants to see Stella and spend time with her she can jsut order her some work in her general vicinity like asking her to come by Schneiders or come by Carla's office. Which is not as personal as having to find outside ways to be close to your person.
It's interesting how today people put out suggestions in a way of how Starla might look like. Like Stella making a comment about how maybe Carla needs a light affair or Nathalie commenting that Stella might need a shoulder to cry on when Charlie invariably dumps her. Kinda as a contrast to Stella assuring Olli that her intentions regarding Charlie are honorable.
Because my first reaction was, good LORD that can only end in a trainwreck. Because of the boss/employee relationship. Boss/employee is the kind of thing that I would say is not that much of an obstacle or taboo especially when the "intentions are honorable". But just a "light" affair? With the kind of conflicting personalities Starla have? It's bound to end in desaster.
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Post by kes on Jun 24, 2009 22:02:24 GMT -5
Note on today's VL: Carla looked so beautiful. That outfit was gorgeous. I have to admit, the kiss between Charlie and Stella was sweet, and I like the way they are playing this out. Olli gets the fact that Charlie is "experimenting." It's not bad, but it's just not Charlie, but a Charlie who is wanting to do something new in her life. Unfortunately, I'm not so sure she's going to want to "do" Stella in the end . . .
But Charlie is still beautiful, and sweet.
I wish Carla wasn't leaving!
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 15, 2009 13:51:37 GMT -5
I have to say, I really wasn't into today's Starla scenes. Anne's acting was baaaaad to me and she really needs better hair and makeup. And if I hadn't read the episode summary it totally would have been lost on me that Stella prepared a picknic for Carla as a thank you. That scene was just weird. In one scene she is telling she wants to show Carla something in the gardens, in the next scene we already see Carla spread out on the blanket and Stella playing with Sophia. I think they should have shown either a surprised Carla seeing the picnic for the first time or show Stella preparing it. The way it was was just weird. Oh and the blue scarf/hankerchief on Stella looked stupid Err, I did like Luise and Wilhelm though! And Gregor's rant against Wilhelm made so much sense with how he treated his own gambling father.
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Post by mona on Jul 15, 2009 14:40:34 GMT -5
I didn't get that Stella made a surprise picnic either at first. I thought she showed Carla something and they decided to stay outside for a while after it.
Anne Wis playing "drunk" was horrible but from the writers choice I think they did some good scenes. Carla making funny remarks, the cute Stella/Sophia scene (Sophia helped a lot to find that scene cute I think)
I still don't feel it. Stella saying "I don't want to raise useless hopes" was mean and she meant it. But I'm impressed that their fans didn't lose hope for a long time. I'm sometimes near a "fan-breakdown" when I think about one sentence in the Chrolli story I don't like immediately.
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