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Post by bel7003 on Dec 14, 2011 2:58:13 GMT -5
The entire restaurant scene was funny, it seems Christian's stomach knows no bound and he can eat all he wants now that he and Olli are back in their comfort zone. He wants to grow old with Olli, be still my heart. I like the way Christian says he wants to grow old with Olli, in the hospital scene. He doesn't say it like he's making a big love declaration. He says it in a matter-of-fact way, like it's something obvious and natural. And he shows his sadness for not having that for granted anymore. Then, he gives Olli a helpless look which I found very endearing. - The lighting in the dinner scene. Christian looked positively glowing! He's the healthiest looking heart patient I've ever seen. I agree. Christian does look happy and glowing. But how could he not, when he has Olli proposing to him (again ) and telling him he's the man of his life? I loved the way Christian told Olli he would marry him again and again. We could see the love shining through their eyes.
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Post by robblack on Dec 14, 2011 3:29:28 GMT -5
after those beautiful reconciliation / and cuddly- scenes in the hospital recently - this episode is just a big disappointment for me .... something was cute ,something was funny but ... but everything about this reconciliation is so rushed and exaggerated , that it's startling ... well, at least Olli speaks about their divorce and their problems, but that the authors consistently show only Olli's guilt and self- accusations , and again excuse Jessica , show basically absolutely no self-reflection of Christian and his behavior in the past months is almost disgusting, sorry ... Jo and Thore are trying to do their best in this episode , as always ...and their acting is good , as always ... but for me , something was missing there , their connection and amazing chemistry that was evident in all episodes in the last few months was missing here ... I hope this is just one not very successful episode...
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Post by phoenix-feather on Dec 14, 2011 6:01:36 GMT -5
after watching MM's video- Visuals-BIG WIN!!! Everything else-
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Post by devsah on Dec 14, 2011 6:37:09 GMT -5
I enjoyed the episode I must admit, it was cute. I think the dynamic is still raw from the divorce right now. Ollie is trying to make up for a poor decision and christian i feel is making up for feeling so lost without Ollie.
I dont feel they have forgotten the issues, going back on old episodes it took ages for the break up to get sorted and they werent in every episode either. So i think this will take time as well and i am guessing as well the next few weeks will have one or two issues from the past come back to deal with they didnt before.
Keeping in mind that both have been living apart, they have to find a way to live together again, and they have been living independantly, I feel some huge adjustments coming up finding there way into a pattern with each other.
But today was cute and great to see, be interesting after another 8 more episodes of chrolli then see how the dynamic is shaping..
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Post by moqique on Dec 14, 2011 6:58:37 GMT -5
Hello there, Anybody. My first post! I've got a question I hope someone can answer. Is it a case of Christian being able to do all the physical stuff he used to do before like running, but SHOULDN'T because of his condition, or is it more that he may want to do those things, like running, but actually CAN'T, physically, because of his condition. In other words, can he move faster than that leisurely stroll with frequent breaks? I'm not sure if it has been made clear which it is. It must be so frustrating if you are physically capable of so much more but always have to restrain yourself because you might make yourself ill.
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Post by bel7003 on Dec 14, 2011 7:12:47 GMT -5
Hello there, Anybody. My first post! I've got a question I hope someone can answer. Is it a case of Christian being able to do all the physical stuff he used to do before like running, but SHOULDN'T because of his condition, or is it more that he may want to do those things, like running, but actually CAN'T, physically, because of his condition. In other words, can he move faster than that leisurely stroll with frequent breaks? I'm not sure if it has been made clear which it is. It must be so frustrating if you are physically capable of so much more but always have to restrain yourself because you might make yourself ill. Hi, moqique, welcome As for your question, I think Christian is able to move as fast as he wants (I mean, his body will respond to that), but he musn't, because anything that makes his heart go over 130 beats per minute may kill him. His heart was overstrained due to the myocarditis and the attack, so Christian may not survive another stroke. That's why he has to change his whole lifestyle.
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Post by devsah on Dec 14, 2011 7:15:05 GMT -5
Okay i think the answer to your question is, his heart rate cant go over 130.
Now how fast it gets over there depends on how fit you are, for an unfit person getting up to answer a door or walking a street can be exhausting. For someone physically fit it would take alot more to get the heart rate to that point. Thats my understanding anyhow.
Although 130 is very very low so thats why he is restricted to extremely light swimming and walking and nothing else extreme.
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Post by philos on Dec 14, 2011 7:59:09 GMT -5
Actually, the limit of 130 bpm is not so low; I was used to run for years and a well trained athlet can run without problems remaining under 120. Naturally, he can't run a speed race, but only to enjoy himself a 10-15Km/h speed should be permitted. But we know that VL is not so realistic about this kind of details if they want a specific result and in any case, definitively no problems with sexual activity!
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Post by Nasos29 on Dec 14, 2011 8:15:43 GMT -5
I loved the way Christian told Olli he would marry him again and again. We could see the love shining through their eyes. I still dont get why so many women fall for these stuff? .Come on guys,what love?They r just brilliant actors. Anyhow the highlight was Christian getting bored to death. I preferred Schölermann's performance when he was pretending to be bored over the declarations of love etc. I wish they ll have him do some more of his funny facial expressions and less of the ''I love you'' stuff!
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Post by teachgirl on Dec 14, 2011 9:14:19 GMT -5
Regarding Christian's heart rate -- his body will also get some support from the beta blockers that Daniel mentioned he has to take. They lower both blood pressure and heart rate.
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Post by bel7003 on Dec 14, 2011 9:53:33 GMT -5
I loved the way Christian told Olli he would marry him again and again. We could see the love shining through their eyes. I still dont get why so many women fall for these stuff? .Come on guys,what love?They r just brilliant actors. Actually, I was talking about the acting. And I was under the impression most of us did the same. You know, as much as I would love to still be in the fairytale fase, I am aware of the reality. Or maybe I'm not, since I was able to fool you. BTW, Thore's/Christian's facial expressions are getting better and better.
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Post by sonia38 on Dec 14, 2011 11:46:20 GMT -5
It just goes to show what good actor they both are because they bring across to the audience that they are in love and I believe it by just looking at their facial expressions even though I know they are just acting.
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Post by philos on Dec 14, 2011 11:52:34 GMT -5
Can they just not get their divorce annulled??? Don't know how it works in Germany xD unfortunately not: they are officially divorced, so they can only re-marry. It's like any other contract, if you cancel it, you must signe a new one.
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Post by Trish on Dec 14, 2011 13:29:45 GMT -5
Tristan was really good today. The guilt and pain of finding out that Marlena was raped.
Also liked Ansgar/Clarissa. I wish that the Majorca stuff could have started here, instead of wasting the time ont the Jan/Julia and the Timo/Leonie/Emillo stuff.
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Post by polkadottie on Dec 14, 2011 15:20:49 GMT -5
(...) Anyway, I fear that my worst fears about the reunion were correct. Still no talk between them but already another proposal... . I get annoyed when I hear Oli say stuff like 'you're the love of my life even if I realised that almost too late'. To me, the storyline was never about that. I never doubted that he still loved Christian, that was obvious. The problem wasn't a lack of love but a lack of trust. I fail to see how Christian collapsing has suddenly solved these issues....it's all too light hearted and fluffy at the minute considering just how bad things got. Even Christian's heart problem doesn't seem to be taken particularly seriously. I thought it'd be some massive cloud that hung over them but instead they seem to be playing it for laughs with 'sulky Christian'. And the proposal, whilst cute, all seemed a little bit too light hearted and seemed to lack emotion. I found it hard to believe that even Christian would not realise that an engagement ring is not a cherry pip.... Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for more misery or anything. I just feel like the writing is flat and lacking a certain depth....I can't really explain it any better than that. Just feels like there's something missing. Ok, now on to the positive: - Oli playing with Christian's horsey balloon and making horse noises. ;D - The lighting in the dinner scene. Christian looked positively glowing! He's the healthiest looking heart patient I've ever seen. - The cute facial expressions. I totally get what you mean, to the point where I actually prefer the lovely caps (thanks joanna ) to the video for this episode. The pics show both their deep love and the fun stuff - AND I also get to imagine all I want how they also share some deep stuff talk I missed from the script. At the same time I'm also glad for those who like last night's episode; how you found ways around the stuff that made me post this in the "bitterness thread" last night... ;D Maybe if I had just calmed down a bit and simply watched the caps back and forth I'd be just fine. This is a soap after all. (Also remember I just found this forum unlike some of you lucky ones who have been around since the beginning of Chrolli!)
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Post by Trish on Dec 14, 2011 16:28:23 GMT -5
Yes it was the trust. It was that Olli couldn't get past the hurt, because he thought that Christian wanted to be with women instead of him. He kept putting up walls because he loved Christian for fear that Christian couldn't return it. Now he understands that Christian does love him. There was not reason for the walls. He loves Christian and he understands that Christian loves him.
There is still this talk about a conversation. If the decision is that they can't live without each other and no matter wat they want to be together. What are they to talk about. My guess is that Christian won't be turning to another woman. He wants to grow old with Oll. Olli doesn't feel that Chrsitian wants to be with women. He can tell that all he wants is him. The other subject might be children. At this point, children are kind of off the table until Christian adjusts to his new life. So there isn't much to really talk about.
As far as the proposal. That's Olli. He got the divorce decree and the first thing he wants to do is reverse it, hence the proposal. Christian from the moment of the 3some only wanted to be with Olli, so as far as he's concerned, it's just a formality of what he's wanted all along.
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Post by devsah on Dec 14, 2011 20:00:14 GMT -5
@ Twatts, I agree. Christian knew the moment he woke up from that he stuffed up and that his marriage was possible gone. But Ollie had always entrusted honesty between them and confessed it outright.
Christian never stopped loving or wanting Ollie, even when he was at the road where phillip died, Christian said "I will never let you go", he wasnt talking about phillip he was talking about how much he loved Ollie.
And the last few days have been hints that Ollie hasnt forgotten anything, he knows there are still issues between them. My worst fear was they would white wash those. I dont think they have. Ollie knows full well they are there. But he also knows that he almost lost the one person he cant do without, and not moving to another state but for good.
Its put things into perspective, if you love someone you work through things together. Its dawned that everyone has been telling him what an idiot he has been, charlie, andi ect. There will be a time to slowly sort though issues again but Ollie knows he wants to do that with christian at his side.
Another movie had an appropriate quote "I'd rather fight with you than make love with anyone else". I think thats true in this case.
Christian will be the one to struggle. From the moment he lost Ollie he knows thats all he wanted, but didnt know how to get it back, he blew it and Ollie was in his rights to have anything he wanted including the divorce, i feel to him he didnt have the right to demand or want anything.
Will be interesting the next few weeks.
But also on a brief note, wasnt going to get into this but i will. Christian came out to Ollie. Christian has no experiences with other men, he wouldnt know how it would be totally foreign and strange to him. Ollie is bi and can go both ways easily. Christian cant even if he wanted to. I think people forget that. If your hurting, angry and destroying yourself and punishing yourself for your mistakes, you go back to what you know. For christian thats not men, it never was. As unforgivable as that was to Ollie, it wasnt to Christian. For lack of labels cause i hate them I am straight, but even then i dont see lines, so someone who is bi or gay may see this differently and I appreciate that. But thats just how i see this circumstances.........If my partner cheated, if it was the opposite sex, i cant do anything about that, they need something i cant provide, but if its the same sex as me, then yeah that would hurt really badly, cause they had me in the first place......*shrugs* hey but thats my say about these recent episodes.
oops sorry about the length.......
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Post by moqique on Dec 14, 2011 20:33:18 GMT -5
Thank You all for your answers, guess I needed to frame my question better. I was trying to figure out what might be the source of Christian's frustrations. Would it be because he could physically do all the stuff he wanted but shouldn't because it would make him ill; or would it be because he physically couldn't do all the stuff he wanted because he was no longer strong enough? Is it all much the same thing, or might one source of frustration be easier to overcome than the other? devsahI hear you. It's been my belief also that Christian turned to women out of a sense of familiarity. You echo my thinking somewhat on the topic.
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Post by sonia38 on Dec 14, 2011 20:49:00 GMT -5
I beg to differ. I say it before and I will say it again, Olli is strictly gay, he's not interested in women that way, not anymore.
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Post by phoenix-feather on Dec 14, 2011 23:11:33 GMT -5
I beg to differ. I say it before and I will say it again, Olli is strictly gay, he's not interested in women that way, not anymore. yup, that's right, somewhere down the line, the writers decided Olli isn't interested in women anymore....do not ask me why
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Post by Trish on Dec 14, 2011 23:21:11 GMT -5
My guess is because he fell in love with Christian and realized that a woman has never made him feel that way that he does. When they were apart, he kept looking for that same feeling. I kind of agree with the theory, that Christian was with women because other than Olli he knew nothing else. As he told Andi, he can't imagine his life after Olli. It's not like he was truly fulfilled by these women, they were just filling a void.
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Post by ChrolliForever23 on Dec 15, 2011 1:31:50 GMT -5
My guess is because he fell in love with Christian and realized that a woman has never made him feel that way that he does. When they were apart, he kept looking for that same feeling. I kind of agree with the theory, that Christian was with women because other than Olli he knew nothing else. As he told Andi, he can't imagine his life after Olli. It's not like he was truly fulfilled by these women, they were just filling a void.Nicely said, Twatts. Especially about the bolded part. The women C was with (Theresa) was just to fill a void not be with her fully in a relationship. I'm just glad that C told O that it was nothing to worry about, and that he (Olli) is the only one for him (Christian).
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Post by bkoz on Dec 15, 2011 3:38:47 GMT -5
Yes it was the trust. It was that Olli couldn't get past the hurt, because he thought that Christian wanted to be with women instead of him. He kept putting up walls because he loved Christian for fear that Christian couldn't return it. Now he understands that Christian does love him. There was not reason for the walls. He loves Christian and he understands that Christian loves him. There is still this talk about a conversation. If the decision is that they can't live without each other and no matter wat they want to be together. What are they to talk about. My guess is that Christian won't be turning to another woman. He wants to grow old with Oll. Olli doesn't feel that Chrsitian wants to be with women. He can tell that all he wants is him. The other subject might be children. At this point, children are kind of off the table until Christian adjusts to his new life. So there isn't much to really talk about. As far as the proposal. That's Olli. He got the divorce decree and the first thing he wants to do is reverse it, hence the proposal. Christian from the moment of the 3some only wanted to be with Olli, so as far as he's concerned, it's just a formality of what he's wanted all along. Very well said twatts. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post by lolaruns on Dec 15, 2011 3:56:01 GMT -5
My guess is because he fell in love with Christian and realized that a woman has never made him feel that way that he does. When they were apart, he kept looking for that same feeling. I kind of agree with the theory, that Christian was with women because other than Olli he knew nothing else. As he told Andi, he can't imagine his life after Olli. It's not like he was truly fulfilled by these women, they were just filling a void. I wouldn't have a problem with that, but why not just have a scene where Christian says that out loud and Olli hears it. I mean, this is a soap opera. They constantly spell out everybody's motivation in detail. So why not have an cool and interesting scene about this? I'm sure the VL viewers would survive an explanation like this.
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Post by mitsaso on Dec 15, 2011 6:58:43 GMT -5
Note to props dept. How hard would it be to actually have some pics of Chrolli that have been taken "normally" as opposed to screen caps from when there was no one else around? ....and thanks for the caps Joanna! Right on, sio! But VL has always been doing that snafu with the photos used in the show... even the pics they have in their living room are promo pics from previous episodes But HOW CUTE was this episode?? I actually liked this proposal better than the last one... Christian swallowing the ring is symbolic. Now he's NEVER going to take it off!!! Olli should also swallow his own ring, just to cinch things!! What Christian said to Olli by the end was just perfect... and Charlie being there to watch just made things even more perfect. With chemistry like that between the actors, I guess that VL CAN swipe the last 6 months under the carpet and make people forget they even happened... ...if it wasn't for the constant reminder of Jessica's involvement in the break-up, I would have already forgotten about the threesome. But VL keeps reminding us (even if this time it was to have Olli absolve Jessica of almost all fault). Maybe VL wants to keep reminding this to us just in case they decide to touch upon it at some point and tell us exactly what happened? I love that they keep showing us the black swan!!! I hope it's haunted and tries to kill everyone at some point starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Natalie-Portman-Black-Swan-2.jpg [/img]
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