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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 18:13:00 GMT -5
I'm guessing the point was to show them how bad/out of control their fighting had gotten, so I guess there was storeyline reasoning for it. Because of that it showed that their fighting has an effect on others (not just Nico, but Dana being upset with them, imploring Andi to also say something) and that it can't just be dealt with with a simple "well outsiders should keep their noses out of it" thing. Yeah, I agree.
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Post by bkoz on Sept 28, 2011 18:13:03 GMT -5
Thank you for the caps Joanna.
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Post by chrischi on Sept 28, 2011 18:17:23 GMT -5
But in real life the person you run over would most likely be a stranger and you would just be causing the surviving family pain by them not knowing who did it. It's also an insurance question. If the accident perpetrator is unknown the insurance won't pay. For Nicola that's no problem, because she is rich, but if the accident victim would have been a father without much money, then it's a big problem.
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Post by blaykee on Sept 28, 2011 18:18:43 GMT -5
You don't have uninsured motorist coverage?
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Post by sonia38 on Sept 28, 2011 18:22:38 GMT -5
No matter what Olli does, he still can't forget what Christian did but he made strides today when he he apologized to Christian and decided to talk about the Divorce because in his head this is the only way to stop the cycle. You can see how much they still love each other and today was the first time in a long time that Christian actually looked troubled when he was sitting all alone at the stables and seems to be reflecting. Olli remembers all the bad things and I guess that's what triggered the divorce talk. After all the years they have been together all he remembers is all the arguments and fights they have had. Dana is right, they love each other and hopefully one of these days they will see that too.
Olli has been holding this in for a while if he did not let out his frustrations he was going to burst.
I felt bad for Helena, I know what she did was wrong but even when Olli was being mad at her you can tell he still wants to be her friend. Helena did a really bad thing and at first wanted to confess but her father played a big part in what happened if he only had left her alone and let her confess but then again we would not have all this drama.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 18:28:55 GMT -5
I find it interesting that all of the flashbacks were to fights Olli started, maybe he should look at the common denominator here. I think that’s precisely why those were the flashbacks, and it ties in well with today’s tiff as well. It’s not as if there’s nothing in the world that would set him off to so-called “start” those fights out of the blue either. He knows he’s not over all those things, ergo, the divorce talk. It was about self-awareness. At least that’s what I got from the show, and I feel for once it was pretty well set up in the episode itself. This is the second instance, after the hallway scene pre-Mallorca, that Olli really showed through these months how maturely decisive he can be IMO. The self-awareness was an additional nice touch. LOL,if we hang on too much to continuity, then we’ll just have to give up. Weren’t Christian and Olli playing foosball the last time? Maybe there wasn’t anything to fight about with a tiny ball and wooden players. Yeah, I still don’t get that one.
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Post by Trish on Sept 28, 2011 18:31:25 GMT -5
Good show, thanks MM!! I find it interesting that all of the flashbacks were to fights Olli started, maybe he should look at the common denominator here. The last scene was so sad, especially Christian's face. (i won't bring up again the lack of continuity in the Philip/Olli story) It was strange that he said he hadn't seen Nico since the funeral. Maybe he did go.
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Post by chrischi on Sept 28, 2011 18:34:00 GMT -5
You don't have uninsured motorist coverage? No. In Germany every car has to be insured. For example it happened to me twice that someone else damaged my car and then vanished. And I had to pay for it myself, 2400 Euro altogether.
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Post by Trish on Sept 28, 2011 18:45:00 GMT -5
I find it interesting that all of the flashbacks were to fights Olli started, maybe he should look at the common denominator here. I think that’s precisely why those were the flashbacks, and it ties in well with today’s tiff as well. It’s not as if there’s nothing in the world that would set him off to so-called “start” those fights out of the blue either. He knows he’s not over all those things, ergo, the divorce talk. It was about self-awareness. At least that’s what I got from the show, and I feel for once it was pretty well set up in the episode itself. This is the second instance, after the hallway scene pre-Mallorca, that Olli really showed through these months how maturely decisive he can be IMO. The self-awareness was an additional nice touch. LOL,if we hang on too much to continuity, then we’ll just have to give up. Weren’t Christian and Olli playing foosball the last time? Maybe there wasn’t anything to fight about with a tiny ball and wooden players. Yeah, I still don’t get that one. Yes they were, but you could tell that Olli didn't really want to do it. Jessica made him. And whenever Chris said something he gave him a nasty look. Things were exactly great between them. Chris was happy, but he's always happy when he's playing a game, especially if he's winning.
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Post by pru on Sept 28, 2011 18:48:52 GMT -5
Well it's all a soap. But in real life, if you stood next to a person who lost their husband due to a car accident by a close acquaintance, is the first thing you would say really be to commend the driver's personality? As opposed to "I'm sorry your loved one died/I'm sorry it was by somebody you knew". Exactly, lolaruns. That imo goes under the heading of tacky.
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Post by pru on Sept 28, 2011 18:51:03 GMT -5
twatts, im with u on this! and of course: it is brave to go to the police! Yeah after months of trying to hide the truth about the accident, yeah real brave of Helena. Plus I don't get all this praising Helena for going to the police, ( after months ), and no sympathy for Nico at all. I mean come on she lost her husband cause of Helena. Yeah that boogles my mind. Nico gets really no sympathy and Helena's muderous ass gets it all? That is completely assbackwards thinking and if I were Nico I would beat her down everytime I saw her on the street.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 19:03:04 GMT -5
Yes they were, but you could tell that Olli didn't really want to do it. Jessica made him. And whenever Chris said something he gave him a nasty look. Things were exactly great between them. Chris was happy, but he's always happy when he's playing a game, especially if he's winning. I’m talking about even more recently. There wasn’t any dialogue then between them, IIRC. They were just playing in the background. I think.
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Post by blaykee on Sept 28, 2011 19:09:29 GMT -5
You don't have uninsured motorist coverage? No. In Germany every car has to be insured. For example it happened to me twice that someone else damaged my car and then vanished. And I had to pay for it myself, 2400 Euro altogether. oh that sucks. but of course I forgot that Phillip wasn't even in a car. Here he would be covered by his medical insurance IF he had it.
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Post by blaykee on Sept 28, 2011 19:13:01 GMT -5
I find it interesting that all of the flashbacks were to fights Olli started, maybe he should look at the common denominator here. I think that’s precisely why those were the flashbacks, and it ties in well with today’s tiff as well. It’s not as if there’s nothing in the world that would set him off to so-called “start” those fights out of the blue either. He knows he’s not over all those things, ergo, the divorce talk. It was about self-awareness. At least that’s what I got from the show, and I feel for once it was pretty well set up in the episode itself. This is the second instance, after the hallway scene pre-Mallorca, that Olli really showed through these months how maturely decisive he can be IMO. The self-awareness was an additional nice touch. LOL,if we hang on too much to continuity, then we’ll just have to give up. Weren’t Christian and Olli playing foosball the last time? Maybe there wasn’t anything to fight about with a tiny ball and wooden players. Yeah, I still don’t get that one. I do give Olli credit for admitting that bringing Jessica up was wrong as well as Christian for forgiving him for that because as he said it still upsets him. We'll see how long this self awareness lasts if he doesn't bring it up again. He's asked for the divorce because he knows he's not over it.
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Post by luffy69843 on Sept 28, 2011 19:19:09 GMT -5
I think Olli should have ask for divorce sooner, maybe instead of leaving and sleeping with R. It would have then be what Christian needed to make the effort needed to save his mariage.
At least R wouldn't have been in the picture and so many more arguments:)
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Post by Trish on Sept 28, 2011 19:21:44 GMT -5
Yeah he probably did but you would think that he would want to get over it. It's a shame that they don't consider a marriage counselor
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Post by blaykee on Sept 28, 2011 19:24:05 GMT -5
Yeah he probably did but you would think that he would want to get over it. It's a shame that they don't consider a marriage counselor I was always baffled by that, I would think Olli would want to have gone to one. Moreso than Christian. Yet Christian suggested it. Not sure it would have worked though, they want you to be 100% committed to work it out and I'm not sure Olli was.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 19:36:25 GMT -5
I think Olli should have ask for divorce sooner, maybe instead of leaving and sleeping with R. It would have then be what Christian needed to make the effort needed to save his mariage. At least R wouldn't have been in the picture and so many more arguments:) IMO Christian shouldn’t have needed anything to see where he went wrong, build on patience and make the actual effort to save his marriage constructively. His vows, love and brains should have sufficed. The divorce talk, whenever it came, should not be his impetus, but if nothing much has done it so far, one would think this big step forward in a completely detached direction would. It’s already healthier than a lot of the mess that’s been happening, and I think that’s what Olli came to conclude on his end at this point.
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Post by angelarose on Sept 28, 2011 19:54:40 GMT -5
Thanks May for the video and Joanna for the caps. That was sad, but not too terrible I guess. It was cute how Christian was fixing his hair when Dana opened the door to the apartment, and how he and Olli looked at one another when he came in (as only they can.) Christian was so flustered and shy seeing Olli that he was tripping and bumping into things. It was nice how Olli helped Christian in encouraging Dana and Christian's surprise at Olli's words and the look they shared was sweet. It's obvious they still love one another and I loved Dana's comment that they wouldn't get to one another if they didn't love each other, they would just be indifferent. (Dana seems to be a better friend these days, talking about their problems with them, even while her own life is in shambles.) Olli overreacted to Christian's comments I think, I don't think Christian was suggesting Helena deserved a medal but just that nothing was going to come out on it's own so Helena would've gotten away with it if not for confessing, so it was brave. (I don't have a ton of compassion for Helena though.) I suppose I can understand Olli being upset given how he felt about the accident but I think it was a bit of an over the top reaction to Christian's statement. And if it was inconsiderate of Christian to make such a statement instead of showing compassion for Nico who lost her husband (or just keeping quiet), I think it was also inconsiderate of Olli to turn Christian's comment and the discussion into an argument about his and Christian's relationship and Christian's wrongdoing, in front of Nico (especially since he invited her there to provide her with a distraction and support.) The scene where Christian was in the stables was good, showing him upset and reflecting on the argument. I don't think Christian was expecting Olli to bring up divorce, he looked surprised at the suggestion, and his expression didn't look like he was in total agreement with that decision (we'll see tomorrow I guess.) Christian's face just looked so sad at the end.
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Post by chrischi on Sept 28, 2011 20:07:42 GMT -5
No. In Germany every car has to be insured. For example it happened to me twice that someone else damaged my car and then vanished. And I had to pay for it myself, 2400 Euro altogether. oh that sucks. but of course I forgot that Phillip wasn't even in a car. Here he would be covered by his medical insurance IF he had it. Yeah, medical care isn't the problem, everyone has a medical insurance in Germany. But what about compensation for injuries suffered, loss of earnings etc. and what about the family if the accident victim dies? Normally the insurance has to pay here, but if the accident perpetrator in unknown, no one will pay.
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Post by ari on Sept 28, 2011 21:58:27 GMT -5
The scenes were ok. The only thing I felt unnecessary was Olli's apology to Christian. I don't feel he never ever needs to apologize to Christian after going off like that. The rest of it made sense, but no need for an apology.
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Post by luckycharm on Sept 28, 2011 22:02:44 GMT -5
FINALLY! Things I liked: -Olli finally getting the resolve to break the vicious cycle between them, and doing something about it -Dana focusing on someone else other than her own drama -the gang acknowledging that they are Nico's FRIEND, and should be there for her now.....the last few episodes I was wondering when Olli would mention Phillip's death, or Christian and Andi want to show support for their ex/good friend, Nico.......but nothing...UNTIL today....although that went south pretty fast......... -Jessica NOT being included in the dinner party -Christian's nervourness at facing Olli in THEIR old turf, as "friends" again...and how he vibrated with hope....literally so -Olli's remark, "Don't give up now" to Dana - while exchanging the look with Christian, which left Christian thoroughly confused, and likely thinking that Olli meant it also for them, which left Christian flustered and giddy, but, then, how wrong that false hope was.........as Olli came later to crush it all away [yes, I actually liked this turn of events/how VL set this up] -Christian's very ON-POINT reaction to Olli saying that "Helena acts like she is so high and moral" but how hypocritical she is/her actions are.........which is also aptly applicable to Christian's character/personality, so Christian's shifty eyes at that comment was a very perceptive touch (by Thore and/or the director) - which explains why, this time, Christian's supports Helena, to the callous disregard of Nico - it probably had less to do with Helena, and more to do with him paralleling her situation, to his own....and thus trying to find the "silver lining" in it all.......to assuage the guilt (his own). [Christian has been speaking of hiw own issues a lot through how he comments to other characters/their stories/issues.....and this was another of those instances]. -Nico's character - she called them out on their bullshit support as "friends". NICE! Things I did not like: -Olli's stupid outfit -Why Jessica still is in the flatshare [it defies logic] -how this follows from their foosball episode [continuity anyone?] *** Thank you, as always, MercuryMay, for all that you do to translate this story for us, and so quickly too. And, thank you Joanna, who captures exactly those moments we want to hold on to, for just that bit longer... Christian sometimes makes me hum: Stanley Kowalski, Stanley Kowalski..... [his character's turn has kind of been building in that way, for a while now] Rwar! I mean....bad, bad, bad.
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Post by gelybi on Sept 29, 2011 11:28:32 GMT -5
To make up for yesterday's delay today's episode was on Mediathek by 6 pm, almost live!! ;D It seems insulting them works OMG! The flashbacks!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 11:29:00 GMT -5
wow !! Olli and his ring - totally unexpected IMO
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Post by amk on Sept 29, 2011 11:39:59 GMT -5
long live Mediathek ! very sad , but beautiful episode . and I have to say - I liked Olli/Jessica scene - explained Olli's forgiveness Jessica . but Olli's gesture with the ring seemed a bit definitively
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