robin1
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Post by robin1 on Sept 19, 2011 3:44:31 GMT -5
things can only get better for chrolli...
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Post by lolaruns on Sept 19, 2011 4:24:32 GMT -5
I agree too but go one step further and question whether the events of this SL could even be described as drama. No way would Helena have been written as making friends with Jessica, giving her a place to live, lending her money and confiding her love problems to her. It would have made Helena seem like a moron but it is all right for Olli to behave this way with no real explanation for his actions. I disagree that that never happens to other/straight characters. Helena forgave the guy who tried to rape her and tried to murder her boyfriend within 2 weeks and agreed to have him move into the family house again. Andi moved into the same house about 2 months or so later. And he is now currently living in a flatshare with the woman who accused him of rape. GreLu instantly forgave Rebecca even though she schemed against them and she was a maid of honor for them too. Luise also showed nearly endless sympathy and leniency for Eduard as well. Another story that comes to mind was on Bold and The Beautiful where Sheila locked up James (who was with Maggie at the time) and sorta raped him got pregnant and then moved into Maggie and James' during the pregnancy (because James and Maggie wanted to adopt the baby). So it's not like other characters aren't afflicted by things that would be very ridiculous in real life. And for some real life examples: a woman I know (my cousin's ex-wife with her second husband) found out that he was cheating on her. Blabla, he promised it was over, blabla. But she suspected someting was up still, sought out the mistress, met with her. They compared notes and realized that he had told both of them that it was over with the other and that he would leave the other soon, that he was essentially stringing both of them along. So they got together and both dumped him together. Sure, they didn't become best buddies or anything, but real life can take some pretty odd turns as well (don't get me started on the coworker of a different cousin of mine where the wife is aware that he has a mistress in another town, is supportive of it an even helps him pick out gifts for the mistress Real life is effed up sometimes)
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robin1
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Post by robin1 on Sept 19, 2011 4:47:07 GMT -5
not to forget tanja was trying to kill olli years ago... and now he's working for her... VL is full of those SL... cause it's a soap...
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elliot
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Post by elliot on Sept 19, 2011 4:50:18 GMT -5
I agree too but go one step further and question whether the events of this SL could even be described as drama. No way would Helena have been written as making friends with Jessica, giving her a place to live, lending her money and confiding her love problems to her. It would have made Helena seem like a moron but it is all right for Olli to behave this way with no real explanation for his actions. I disagree that that never happens to other/straight characters. Helena forgave the guy who tried to rape her and tried to murder her boyfriend within 2 weeks and agreed to have him move into the family house again. Andi moved into the same house about 2 months or so later. And he is now currently living in a flatshare with the woman who accused him of rape. GreLu instantly forgave Rebecca even though she schemed against them and she was a maid of honor for them too. Luise also showed nearly endless sympathy and leniency for Eduard as well. Another story that comes to mind was on Bold and The Beautiful where Sheila locked up James (who was with Maggie at the time) and sorta raped him got pregnant and then moved into Maggie and James' during the pregnancy (because James and Maggie wanted to adopt the baby). So it's not like other characters aren't afflicted by things that would be very ridiculous in real life. I do believe that if the 'serious' characters had been seen to do these things at least time would have been set aside for proper explanation for their actions. In Helena's case the guy who tried to rape her was her twin brother to whom she had always been close and there was also the explanation that he was suffering from a mental illness at the the time and not responsible for his actions. So it makes sense that she would try to find a way to forgive him. Olli doesn't have that kind of history with Jessica and while she explained why she wanted to live with him we were given no explanation as to why he would feel the same. With GreLu I don't remember Rebecca doing much more than tip off the paparazzi about them and Gregor felt guilty about the way that he had treated her thus giving him a reason to forgive her. Luisa did keep trying to give Eduard the benefit of the doubt because again she felt guilty about dumping him in favour of Gregor and being the kind of person she was she didn't want to believe that he really was capable of evil. I'm not familiar with the characters you mentioned from the Bold and Beautiful but it seems that they were given a good reason to explain their action, i.e their desire to adopt the child despite the way it had been conceived. I grant you Andi living with Jessica at the flat share is daft and defies belief but at least unlike Olli, he is hardly acting as her best friend. In drama you can probably get away with most things as long as you give the audience some kind of believable explanation. That has not been the case with Christian and Olli.
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Post by lolaruns on Sept 19, 2011 5:10:21 GMT -5
not to forget tanja was trying to kill olli years ago... and now he's working for her... VL is full of those SL... cause it's a soap... I'm not completely sure that Charlie ever told Olli that it was anything other than a normal food poisoning though. Besides, we know a little murder attempt is nothing on VL. Just look at Andi and Tristan. By VL time Olli/Tanja is basically stone age history. But they did provide an explanation: Olli appreciated that Jessica was there for him during the accident time. (plus we have precendent in his fondness for Olivia) Granted we might not buy that explanation as sufficient, but most people thought that the explanation for Helena forgiving Tristan *in this short a time period* was jsut as stupid and unrealistic. [btw, Jule, who Olli had his revenge one night stand on Tom with also stayed friends with both of them and after Tom and Olli broke up Tom and Jule (!) had an artificial insemination child together]
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elliot
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Post by elliot on Sept 19, 2011 5:37:07 GMT -5
not to forget tanja was trying to kill olli years ago... and now he's working for her... VL is full of those SL... cause it's a soap... I'm not completely sure that Charlie ever told Olli that it was anything other than a normal food poisoning though. Besides, we know a little murder attempt is nothing on VL. Just look at Andi and Tristan. By VL time Olli/Tanja is basically stone age history. But they did provide an explanation: Olli appreciated that Jessica was there for him during the accident time. (plus we have precendent in his fondness for Olivia) Granted we might not buy that explanation as sufficient, but most people thought that the explanation for Helena forgiving Tristan *in this short a time period* was jsut as stupid and unrealistic. [btw, Jule, who Olli had his revenge one night stand on Tom with also stayed friends with both of them and after Tom and Olli broke up Tom and Jule (!) had an artificial insemination child together] For me the Olivia argument in terms of Jessica doesn't work because although the writers may have decided that Jessica is the new Olivia they have done nothing explain why this should be the case beyond shoving her into the flatshare. Olli and Olivia were related and had history. Olli explained away many of Olivia's actions because he knew her childhood had been unhappy and it gave them a strong connection to the point where he thought of her as a little sister rather than a cousin. His conversation with Jessica where she was sympathetic for thirty seconds but revealed nothing of herself or her background could not create a similar connection, especially as she went back to her lying ways almost immediately. Helena had this same strong connection to Tristan and, as I said before, the added belief that he may not have been responsible for his actions. Rushed or not that is a strong reason for forgiveness. Andi being connected to Helena and at the time maybe thinking Tristan might end up as his brother in law also had a reason to try and get along with him. Again I am not familiar with the Tom and Olli story but it sounds as if they were good friends with the Jules character before the ONS which in itself is a reason for this friendship to continue past that betrayal.
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Post by lolaruns on Sept 19, 2011 5:54:49 GMT -5
For me the Olivia argument works because IMO Olli genuinely delighted in Olivia. Yes they were related, but imo even though she exasperated him, he genuinely liked her as a personality. Just like he imo genuinely likes Charlie's excentric personality. That doesn't mean that he for example didn't like Lars, but he was naturally closer to Charlie.
Just like if Olivia had been his cousin but had had a stable and nice personality, then they wouldn't have had the same kind of relationship they had. He still would have liked her, but I think her personality particularly spoke to him. In essence, he liked her because of her personality, not despite of it/forgave her for her personality because of her familial relation. Yes, he knew that an Olivia kind of personality could be dangerous or grating and that's why he was not afraid to draw the line on occasion. But I think overall he genuinely liked Olivia's personality/had a soft spot for it.
Just the same way I think that Olli genuinely doesn't mind some of the bugsome character traits Jessica has that annoy us (like being slutty or obvious or dumb).
Now liking Olivia types isn't a good enough reason to forgive somebody anyting. But to me it explains why having a Jessica in his life is not a negative in Olli's eyes (or not the kind of negative that it would be for most people).
I do think that a strong friendship can survive something, but I think there it was dealt with in a "no hard feelings" kind of way (no trace of "zmg, with my good friend!!").
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joanna
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Post by joanna on Sept 19, 2011 6:05:25 GMT -5
Can we take this particular discussion over to 'VL General Discussion', please?...
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