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Post by elliot on Sept 18, 2011 5:10:38 GMT -5
Kim and Ansgar is just icky, and I haven't even actually seen any of it; the thought alone is just... Funny Jana is only two and a half years older than Nicole IRL. It just shows how convincing the writing acting is that we hate the thought of Ansgar kissing ' young innocent' Kim but Jessica gets to bang any dude on the show ,young ,old ,gay or straight and no one thinks it's gross for her just for the poor guys lol I loved Olli and Jessica at the bar she so transparent and Olii totally has the measure of her. How ever implausably the Jessica and Olli's friendship started is it's very cute and I hope she stays at the flatshare because Andi/Chris/Jess/Olli are comedy gold together. I liked Sebastian with them too but I doubt their storylines will cross again. together. The trouble is that if Christian and Olli get back together and continue living in the flat share they more likely to stay in the background of other ongoing SLs such as Helandi, Dagen and whatever mess Jessica gets into and less likely to get anything more than SLs that only last for a few episodes. It's ridiculous that they didn't take over Gregor's old flat when he moved out and that they prefer to live like students even though they own the whole building.
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Post by philos on Sept 18, 2011 5:46:36 GMT -5
Funny Jana is only two and a half years older than Nicole IRL. It just shows how convincing the writing acting is that we hate the thought of Ansgar kissing ' young innocent' Kim but Jessica gets to bang any dude on the show ,young ,old ,gay or straight and no one thinks it's gross for her just for the poor guys lol I loved Olli and Jessica at the bar she so transparent and Olii totally has the measure of her. How ever implausably the Jessica and Olli's friendship started is it's very cute and I hope she stays at the flatshare because Andi/Chris/Jess/Olli are comedy gold together. I liked Sebastian with them too but I doubt their storylines will cross again. together. The trouble is that if Christian and Olli get back together and continue living in the flat share they more likely to stay in the background of other ongoing SLs such as Helandi, Dagen and whatever mess Jessica gets into and less likely to get anything more than SLs that only last for a few episodes. It's ridiculous that they didn't take over Gregor's old flat when he moved out and that they prefer to live like students even though they own the whole building. Charlie and Arno come quite soon; but now, maybe could be possible?
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Post by katemonster on Sept 18, 2011 7:32:11 GMT -5
Funny Jana is only two and a half years older than Nicole IRL. It just shows how convincing the writing acting is that we hate the thought of Ansgar kissing ' young innocent' Kim but Jessica gets to bang any dude on the show ,young ,old ,gay or straight and no one thinks it's gross for her just for the poor guys lol I loved Olli and Jessica at the bar she so transparent and Olii totally has the measure of her. How ever implausably the Jessica and Olli's friendship started is it's very cute and I hope she stays at the flatshare because Andi/Chris/Jess/Olli are comedy gold together. I liked Sebastian with them too but I doubt their storylines will cross again. together. The trouble is that if Christian and Olli get back together and continue living in the flat share they more likely to stay in the background of other ongoing SLs such as Helandi, Dagen and whatever mess Jessica gets into and less likely to get anything more than SLs that only last for a few episodes. It's ridiculous that they didn't take over Gregor's old flat when he moved out and that they prefer to live like students even though they own the whole building. I really enjoy Chrolli being involved with other storylines together or seperately so long as they get more screen time. Once they are back together i'd be happy if they were just sweet and romantic like before and the majority of drama that involved them was primarily someone elses. If Chrolli had been united and talking then the stables storyline and Jessica's antics incl the modeling would have been great imo. I'd like to see Chrolli as a team again and having others in the flatshare with problem's gives us adorable Chrolli in the background offering advice , cake and walking around in towels.
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Post by elliot on Sept 18, 2011 9:08:00 GMT -5
The trouble is that if Christian and Olli get back together and continue living in the flat share they more likely to stay in the background of other ongoing SLs such as Helandi, Dagen and whatever mess Jessica gets into and less likely to get anything more than SLs that only last for a few episodes. It's ridiculous that they didn't take over Gregor's old flat when he moved out and that they prefer to live like students even though they own the whole building. I really enjoy Chrolli being involved with other storylines together or seperately so long as they get more screen time. Once they are back together i'd be happy if they were just sweet and romantic like before and the majority of drama that involved them was primarily someone elses. If Chrolli had been united and talking then the stables storyline and Jessica's antics incl the modeling would have been great imo. I'd like to see Chrolli as a team again and having others in the flatshare with problem's gives us adorable Chrolli in the background offering advice , cake and walking around in towels. For me that would make them no more than novelty characters. I can't see any of the serious couples such as Helandi, TanSeb or Dagen being left to do nothing more than wander around in towels, handing out cakes and advice so I definitely wouldn't like that to be the case for Chrolli. I would like to think they became popular because people were drawn to the drama of their story and the acting skills of Jo and Thore, I know I certainly did which is why I want them in a position where they can continue to have satisfying SLs and not be shoved to one side. The fact they look good in towels is an added bonus but for me not the main point.
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Post by philos on Sept 18, 2011 9:18:10 GMT -5
I really enjoy Chrolli being involved with other storylines together or seperately so long as they get more screen time. Once they are back together i'd be happy if they were just sweet and romantic like before and the majority of drama that involved them was primarily someone elses. If Chrolli had been united and talking then the stables storyline and Jessica's antics incl the modeling would have been great imo. I'd like to see Chrolli as a team again and having others in the flatshare with problem's gives us adorable Chrolli in the background offering advice , cake and walking around in towels. For me that would make them no more than novelty characters. I can't see any of the serious couples such as Helandi, TanSeb or Dagen being left to do nothing more than wander around in towels, handing out cakes and advice so I definitely wouldn't like that to be the case for Chrolli. I would like to think they became popular because people were drawn to the drama of their story and the acting skills of Jo and Thore, I know I certainly did which is why I want them in a position where they can continue to have satisfying SLs and not be shoved to one side. The fact they look good in towels is an added bonus but for me not the main point. I agree with your position, elliot; this is the main reason to move in the old Gregor flat, near the flatshare to be involved in some SL, but with a real situation for a couple of husbands . About them in a towel, I remember a lot of time Gregor in the hall with that and we can also speculate about friends coming to Chrolli's flat for talks and help.
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Post by elliot on Sept 18, 2011 9:39:24 GMT -5
For me that would make them no more than novelty characters. I can't see any of the serious couples such as Helandi, TanSeb or Dagen being left to do nothing more than wander around in towels, handing out cakes and advice so I definitely wouldn't like that to be the case for Chrolli. I would like to think they became popular because people were drawn to the drama of their story and the acting skills of Jo and Thore, I know I certainly did which is why I want them in a position where they can continue to have satisfying SLs and not be shoved to one side. The fact they look good in towels is an added bonus but for me not the main point. I agree with your position, elliot; this is the main reason to move in the old Gregor flat, near the flatshare to be involved in some SL, but with a real situation for a couple of husbands . About them in a towel, I remember a lot of time Gregor in the hall with that and we can also speculate about friends coming to Chrolli's flat for talks and help. ITA. Chrolli are not the same as they were three years ago. They are married and older, they run a business and own a building. Why would they still live and behave the same as they did before any of this was the case? I hope if they get back together the issues of moving in a place of their own and having a family aren't just forgotten but explored because it is what would be expected with the other couples and it shouldn't be any different with Chrolli.
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Post by philos on Sept 18, 2011 10:00:35 GMT -5
ITA. Chrolli are not the same as they were three years ago. They are married and older, they run a business and own a building. Why would they still live and behave the same as they did before any of this was the case? I hope if they get back together the issues of moving in a place of their own and having a family aren't just forgotten but explored because it is what would be expected with the other couples and it shouldn't be any different with Chrolli. And this is exactly the point; why not their owned flat to live? They'll have an house only for them, near the working place (and in the real life it's so important!), near their friends in case of necessity. So, they could play their SL as a real family and partecipate to the other SL too; do you remember something about the Brandner house? or Charlie's home before the flat? no, because Arno and Charlie meet others in NL or Schneiders; more, they seem to not have a private life. Naturlich, this is my POV. sorry, only a "technical" question: what means ITA?
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Post by elliot on Sept 18, 2011 10:06:54 GMT -5
^^ It means 'I totally agree.'
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Post by philos on Sept 18, 2011 10:22:59 GMT -5
^^ It means 'I totally agree.' so, my ignorance strike back! I'll correct my post in some points...
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Post by silviam11 on Sept 18, 2011 11:14:25 GMT -5
ITA. Chrolli are not the same as they were three years ago. They are married and older, they run a business and own a building. Why would they still live and behave the same as they did before any of this was the case? I hope if they get back together the issues of moving in a place of their own and having a family aren't just forgotten but explored because it is what would be expected with the other couples and it shouldn't be any different with Chrolli. And this is exactly the point; why not their owned flat to live? They'll have an house only for them, near the working place (and in the real life it's so important!), near their friends in case of necessity. So, they could play their SL as a real family and partecipate to the other SL too; do you remember something about the Brandner house? or Charlie's home before the flat? no, because Arno and Charlie meet others in NL or Schneiders; more, they seem to not have a private life. Naturlich, this is my POV. sorry, only a "technical" question: what means ITA? ITA, too ;D. I think it's really impotant for a couple to have their own place and their own life without the interference of others. I'd love to see it happening to Chrolli someday. I really think it is important to have friends nearby and interact, but not in the same place, allowing some moments of privacy. Just a wish
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Post by ari on Sept 18, 2011 14:40:22 GMT -5
I really enjoy Chrolli being involved with other storylines together or seperately so long as they get more screen time. Once they are back together i'd be happy if they were just sweet and romantic like before and the majority of drama that involved them was primarily someone elses. If Chrolli had been united and talking then the stables storyline and Jessica's antics incl the modeling would have been great imo. I'd like to see Chrolli as a team again and having others in the flatshare with problem's gives us adorable Chrolli in the background offering advice , cake and walking around in towels. For me that would make them no more than novelty characters. I can't see any of the serious couples such as Helandi, TanSeb or Dagen being left to do nothing more than wander around in towels, handing out cakes and advice so I definitely wouldn't like that to be the case for Chrolli. I would like to think they became popular because people were drawn to the drama of their story and the acting skills of Jo and Thore, I know I certainly did which is why I want them in a position where they can continue to have satisfying SLs and not be shoved to one side. The fact they look good in towels is an added bonus but for me not the main point. The bold print IMO is and may always be the biggest problem for us Chrolli/Ollian fans. They ARE a novelty in the writers' minds even after three plus years. They are the "gay couple" who aren't to be taken as seriously or get an involved story, like the other couples. That's the writers' mindset and until it changes, nothing else will. They don't care what we international YT fans or the German Chrolli fans think or want (and sadly that's their prerogative).
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Post by robin1 on Sept 18, 2011 16:57:35 GMT -5
since arno's back is he still living with charlie AND christian in the flat?? where is theresa living? in the castle??? sometimes it seems that most of the VL people living only in NL.
(im watching the end of the lilly-SL right now... so heartbreaking...)
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Post by JWfan on Sept 18, 2011 17:52:39 GMT -5
For me that would make them no more than novelty characters. I can't see any of the serious couples such as Helandi, TanSeb or Dagen being left to do nothing more than wander around in towels, handing out cakes and advice so I definitely wouldn't like that to be the case for Chrolli. I would like to think they became popular because people were drawn to the drama of their story and the acting skills of Jo and Thore, I know I certainly did which is why I want them in a position where they can continue to have satisfying SLs and not be shoved to one side. The fact they look good in towels is an added bonus but for me not the main point. The bold print IMO is and may always be the biggest problem for us Chrolli/Ollian fans. They ARE a novelty in the writers' minds even after three plus years. They are the "gay couple" who aren't to be taken as seriously or get an involved story, like the other couples. That's the writers' mindset and until it changes, nothing else will. They don't care what we international YT fans or the German Chrolli fans think or want (and sadly that's their prerogative). I have to disagree, I think they started to care about the international audience after Jo and Thore won the award for best on screen couple in early June. I believe they initially decided to spilt Chrolli up for good after the lily storyline, but changed their minds after they won those awards. Everything we’re seeing now I think was filmed before they won, and the writers are now desperately trying to reverse all of the damage they made to Olli and Christian’s relationship. Just my opinion, I could be wrong……
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Post by philos on Sept 18, 2011 18:02:20 GMT -5
That's the writers' mindset and until it changes, nothing else will. They don't care what we international YT fans or the German Chrolli fans think or want (and sadly that's their prerogative). I have to disagree, I think they started to care about the international audience after Jo and Thore won the award for best on screen couple in early June. I believe they initially decided to spilt Chrolli up for good after the lily storyline, but changed their minds after they won those awards. Everything we’re seeing now I think was filmed before they won, and the writers are now desperately trying to reverse all of the damage they made to Olli and Christian’s relationship. Just my opinion, I could be wrong…… [/quote] Interesting opinion, JWfan; about the timeline, normally the plot is prepared 2-3 months before the start of filming and they are filming 2-3 months in advance (i.e. now they are filming the ep of november/december), so in June they were just arrived to the divorce talk. It could be. Additionally, just starting from June/July Tom Croust could start to influence the SL, so another reason for this change. Last but not the least, from the end of June we were receiving answers from DE to be careful about Chrolli. 1 is nothing 2 are a coincidence 3 are an evidence! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by joanna on Sept 18, 2011 18:09:46 GMT -5
Please remember that no spoilers are allowed in this thread, folks...
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Post by lolaruns on Sept 18, 2011 18:16:39 GMT -5
I don't think the award had any influence. Or rather I don't think that they intended to permanently end Chrolli at any time (again note the lack of actual permanent cast member love interest). They also remained in the forum banner and were even put in the banner that was changed around that time.
They were removed only now and now Chroust is actually in power (of course these days not being in the banner doesn't mean as much as it used to, just look at Helandi or Dana/Hagen).
IMO I think VL's position towards the international fanbase has always been to string them along, Chrolli never break up but at the same time I don't think that *any* of the writers other than Chroust truly "got" them and all of them didn't know how to come up with a story for them/didn't feel inspired to write a story for them. They didn't see in them what we see in them and hence didn't really write for them. Feiler only could access them by writing through Rebecca's POV mostly for example.
So I think the mandate was always to keep them around, but Chroust was the only one who was ever truly inspired by them. It's a pity that it didn't show when he was just storyline advisor, but I do think that good things/more screentime is most likely to come once he is actually officiall in charge as headwriter.
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Post by philos on Sept 18, 2011 18:23:06 GMT -5
Please remember that no spoilers are allowed in this thread, folks... ARGH! I must send you a gift, joanna, I'm too stupid! and distract!
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Post by JWfan on Sept 18, 2011 18:27:36 GMT -5
I don't think the award had any influence. Or rather I don't think that they intended to permanently end Chrolli at any time (again note the lack of actual permanent cast member love interest). They also remained in the forum banner and were even put in the banner that was changed around that time. They were removed only now and now Chroust is actually in power (of course these days not being in the banner doesn't mean as much as it used to, just look at Helandi or Dana/Hagen). IMO I think VL's position towards the international fanbase has always been to string them along, Chrolli never break up but at the same time I don't think that *any* of the writers other than Chroust truly "got" them and all of them didn't know how to come up with a story for them/didn't feel inspired to write a story for them. They didn't see in them what we see in them and hence didn't really write for them. Feiler only could access them by writing through Rebecca's POV mostly for example. So I think the mandate was always to keep them around, but Chroust was the only one who was ever truly inspired by them. It's a pity that it didn't show when he was just storyline advisor, but I do think that good things/more screentime is most likely to come once he is actually officiall in charge as headwriter. I agree with you, i think good things are going to come for them plot wise as well. but i defiantly think the award had something to do with it.
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Post by amk on Sept 18, 2011 18:34:11 GMT -5
So I think the mandate was always to keep them around, but Chroust was the only one who was ever truly inspired by them. It's a pity that it didn't show when he was just storyline advisor, but I do think that good things/more screentime is most likely to come once he is actually officiall in charge as headwriter. It would be great . but good things - everyone has his own idea what it means "good things " - and when I read the name TC I'm a little bit scared ... I don't like his ideas of a drama in the storylines
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Post by philos on Sept 18, 2011 19:24:15 GMT -5
So I think the mandate was always to keep them around, but Chroust was the only one who was ever truly inspired by them. It's a pity that it didn't show when he was just storyline advisor, but I do think that good things/more screentime is most likely to come once he is actually officiall in charge as headwriter. It would be great . but good things - everyone has his own idea what it means "good things " - and when I read the name TC I'm a little bit scared ... I don't like his ideas of a drama in the storylines I think we have been our part of drama; sufficent for all the 2011 and 2012!
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Post by lolaruns on Sept 18, 2011 23:28:56 GMT -5
While I do still think that Chroust could be bad for the show overall (aka the other stories), I don't think that anything Chroust could come up in his crazy mind could be worse than what we have had already (like the Rebecca story or the stuff with Theresa now).
SPOILER Not to mention the only thing that people could sensiblely be worried about would be a genuine all guy triangle (in the style of the Roman/Marc thing from AWZ( an *that* we can already rule out because Chroust is working already but no permanent guy has been cast. Or rather the only guy being cast we know is straight and will be involved with Helena. Even if the triangle partner was a longterm guest character (the way Marc was or the way Antonio and Eduard were for Phico and GreLu) we would still have heard of the casting; But nada. No guy => makes it clear that whatever Chroust picked as their next story it's not gonna be a DeRoMarc type triangle/SPOILER
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Post by robin1 on Sept 19, 2011 2:06:38 GMT -5
So I think the mandate was always to keep them around, but Chroust was the only one who was ever truly inspired by them. It's a pity that it didn't show when he was just storyline advisor, but I do think that good things/more screentime is most likely to come once he is actually officiall in charge as headwriter. It would be great . but good things - everyone has his own idea what it means "good things " - and when I read the name TC I'm a little bit scared ... I don't like his ideas of a drama in the storylines it's a soap and a soap cant live without drama. there was so much good drama in the past and i didnt mean the recent SL, cause this isnt a SL it's just a couple of short scenes without any relation. im just watching the episodes with the "threesome". seeing this for the 2nd time i have to confess that these episodes are great! the flashbacks of the party are well done filmed! thore and jo (AND jana!!) did an amazing performance. 2 episodes later we've had a reconciliation but everything else after this went wrong. there was'n any good conecpt for chrolli. i haven't had any problems with a (short time) break but how it happened makes me angry. in real life no one would ever believe someone like jessica. i would believe my own husband - even when he's like thore/ christian. ;D he was honest enough to tell olli the (so called) truth about this night with andi and jessica. ok, olli has the right to be annoyed but 'that night" is no reason for a break and everything what we're seeing since that episodes. but this was the time, chrolli has lost most of their good and influential friends. (there were only helandi, charlie and dana... but none of them is really helpful)
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Post by amk on Sept 19, 2011 2:51:39 GMT -5
as I said, everyone has his own idea about a good drama - in my opinion, a drama by TC (not only in VL) is a drama at any cost , but I'm looking forward to see what will be the next drama by Chrolli and I hope the authors have something really good for us !it's a high time to prove to the viewers , that they can write a good storyline with a lot of drama that is not absurd, illogical, cynical or ridiculous . and as for the threesome episode you mentioned - it's not a good drama , or great episode - it was absolutely ridiculous , and it's for me a prime example of a drama at any costs - just my personal opinion
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Post by chrischi on Sept 19, 2011 3:19:41 GMT -5
and as for the threesome episode you mentioned - it's not a good drama , or great episode - it was absolutely ridiculous , and it's for me a prime example of a drama at any costs Well said, AMK.
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Post by elliot on Sept 19, 2011 3:40:02 GMT -5
as I said, everyone has his own idea about a good drama - in my opinion, a drama by TC (not only in VL) is a drama at any cost , but I'm looking forward to see what will be the next drama by Chrolli and I hope the authors have something really good for us !it's a high time to prove to the viewers , that they can write a good storyline with a lot of drama that is not absurd, illogical, cynical or ridiculous . and as for the threesome episode you mentioned - it's not a good drama , or great episode - it was absolutely ridiculous , and it's for me a prime example of a drama at any costs - just my personal opinion I agree too but go one step further and question whether the events of this SL could even be described as drama. No way would Helena have been written as making friends with Jessica, giving her a place to live, lending her money and confiding her love problems to her. It would have made Helena seem like a moron but it is all right for Olli to behave this way with no real explanation for his actions. The same goes for Christian proclaiming to love Olli and be gay and yet repeatedly sleep with Theresa, a woman he cares nothing for with again no real explanation. The fact this is happening with Tom Chroust on board makes it even worse and I'm beginning to have no great expectation that he will do better for Chrolli in the future.
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