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Post by katemonster on Aug 22, 2011 16:57:53 GMT -5
I wonder if I could ask for some help from a German speaker i've been watching full episodes for just a couple of weeks and i'm having trouble following some of the storylines because I don't know how the people are related to each other. 1..Is the Priest ( I don't know his name) the father of Leonie and what is the issue if he is. Did he not know he was a Dad? was he a priest at the time has the mother lied? 2...What relation are Hagan, Tristan ,Dana and Hagan's Wife to each other? Sorry to be a pain. I'm not a German speaker and I can't help with #1, but I can tell you Hagen and Tristan are brothers, and Dana and Hagen's wife (Marlene) are sisters, and Tristan is Marlene's manager. Hope that helps a little. Thankyou That would explain why Marlene and Tristan are so close even though they are only in-laws. I was quite puzzled by all the comforting he was doing and wasn't sure if they were siblings.
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Post by pru on Aug 22, 2011 16:58:27 GMT -5
Tell it, shiyo.
You're only as old as you feel and if you wanna to party, then I say party.
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Post by bkoz on Aug 22, 2011 16:59:05 GMT -5
twatts, I dont know if I would agree 100% with your statement that "partying is for the young". I am in my 30's and hope I am not too old for a party or for partying.... . And if we look at it from a strictly age point of view, how many singles are out there and in their 30's and are still partying? And why not? They dont have commitments so why do they have to sit at home and watch CSI? I agree shiyo. I don't think partying is only for the young. But I do think VL is trying to tell us something with bringing up Oill's age. What, I have no idea. Hopefully VL will make it more clear as the SL moves along.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 22, 2011 17:02:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the video May.
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Post by katemonster on Aug 22, 2011 17:08:41 GMT -5
twatts, I dont know if I would agree 100% with your statement that "partying is for the young". I am in my 30's and hope I am not too old for a party or for partying.... . And if we look at it from a strictly age point of view, how many singles are out there and in their 30's and are still partying? And why not? They dont have commitments so why do they have to sit at home and watch CSI? I agree shiyo. I don't think partying is only for the young. But I do think VL is trying to tell us something with bringing up Oill's age. What, I have no idea. Hopefully VL will make it more clear as the SL moves along. Is there any reason to suppose Rafael might have lied about his age and he's not 18? or maybe my theory that it was young Emillio not Rafael who ended up with Olli on the beach that night is a possibility. 'Holiday Flirt' is a strange phrase for someone you had sex with. Maybe the translation is slightly off. Any German speaker able to give a more accurate detailed translation of what Olli actually called Raphael.
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Post by Trish on Aug 22, 2011 17:17:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the video. I still don't feel any different after see the subtitles. Jessica manipulated Olli plan and sipple. She fed on his deepest fears to get what she wanted and firends don't do that.
I don't think Olli is old, but for some reason they want us to think that he thinks he is. I'm not at all sure where they are going wth this.
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Post by pru on Aug 22, 2011 17:23:34 GMT -5
If anyone was being manipulative it was Christian when he was congratulating Olli on not taking the offer and then insinuating that he was too old to do it anyway.
Jessica on the other hand was trying to get Olli to see he was desirable and very sexy and should do the modeling because it was evident that Olli did want to do it but his self-confidence was low, hmm, I wonder how that happened?
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Post by shiyo on Aug 22, 2011 17:31:22 GMT -5
Christian should stand in front of plastic surgery offices and make comments to the pedestrians. He would be good for business.
Biggest WTF moment for me was Theresa casually saying hi to Olli as if they were friends.
Once again, Charlie discussing Olli's business with Christian??? At least it was done off screen.
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Post by bkoz on Aug 22, 2011 17:34:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the video. I still don't feel any different after see the subtitles. Jessica manipulated Olli plan and sipple. She fed on his deepest fears to get what she wanted and firends don't do that. I don't think Olli is old, but for some reason they want us to think that he thinks he is. I'm not at all sure where they are going wth this. I haven't changed my mine either. Jessica is still using Olli for her gain. And I was surprise that Olli said hey back to Theresa, I thought he hated her. Or was he saying hey to Christian. And I really think Olli was happy with his decision to not model. Until he talked to Christian. I don't think Christian meant any harm in what he said. But Olli took it the wrong way. Why Olli is so hung up about his age all of a sudden. Man the break up with Christian really screwed with Olli's self esteem. Thank you MM for the vid and translations.
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Post by Trish on Aug 22, 2011 17:41:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the video. I still don't feel any different after see the subtitles. Jessica manipulated Olli plan and sipple. She fed on his deepest fears to get what she wanted and firends don't do that. I don't think Olli is old, but for some reason they want us to think that he thinks he is. I'm not at all sure where they are going wth this. I haven't changed my mine either. Jessica is still using Olli for her gain. And I was surprise that Olli said hey back to Theresa, I thought he hated her. Or was he saying hey to Christian. And I really think Olli was happy with his decision to not model. Until he talked to Christian. I don't think Christian meant any harm in what he said. But Olli took it the wrong way. Why Olli is so hung up about his age all of a sudden. Man the break up with Christian really screwed with Olli's self esteem. Thank you MM for the vid and translations. I don't think it was just Christian. I think that guy had a big impact He went to Majorca and slept with an 18 y/o and then picked up some young stud when he got back. He was flying hight until then. Then the ad stuff. I don't think he ever thought that Chrisitan would leave him because of his age. I think he took what Christian said wrong too. With the hair dye, he obviously has his age on his mind. That was a long time ago. A lot has happened since then. Chrsitian was with Gregor, when he was modeling for Rebecca, but Olli was always happy with his bar, why would he want to do something like that now, especially with Tanja. Jessica is good. She manipulated that perfectly. Playing every angle and Olli got sucked into to it. It's truly sad.
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Post by ncecho on Aug 22, 2011 17:44:25 GMT -5
Just looked at MM's vid of today's episode and I don't see where Christian said anything wrong to Olli but Olli took what Christian said as him being to old. Olli is not old. Geez he is only 31or 32. I don't understand why bow he thinks he is old or not as handsome as he ever was. I don't think it is all coming from the breakup with Christian
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Post by bkoz on Aug 22, 2011 17:47:58 GMT -5
I haven't changed my mine either. Jessica is still using Olli for her gain. And I was surprise that Olli said hey back to Theresa, I thought he hated her. Or was he saying hey to Christian. And I really think Olli was happy with his decision to not model. Until he talked to Christian. I don't think Christian meant any harm in what he said. But Olli took it the wrong way. Why Olli is so hung up about his age all of a sudden. Man the break up with Christian really screwed with Olli's self esteem. Thank you MM for the vid and translations. I don't think it was just Christian. I think that guy had a big impact He went to Majorca and slept with an 18 y/o and then picked up some young stud when he got back. He was flying hight until then. Then the ad stuff. I don't think he ever thought that Chrisitan would leave him because of his age. I think he took what Christian said wrong too. With the hair dye, he obviously has his age on his mind. That was a long time ago. A lot has happened since then. Chrsitian was with Gregor, when he was modeling for Rebecca, but Olli was always happy with his bar, why would he want to do something like that now, especially with Tanja. Jessica is good. She manipulated that perfectly. Playing every angle and Olli got sucked into to it. It's truly sad. Yeah Jessica said all the things that would flatter Olli. Dude was already feeling down and she used that to her advantage. Jessica is good. Using her friendship to Olli to get what she wants. And if I were Olli I'd be scared that Jessica thinks of him as a bff and only friend. Oh and I love when Tanja and Charlie snipe at each other.
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Post by AndreB on Aug 22, 2011 18:05:03 GMT -5
I still don't understand how can you see Jessica as a scheming mastermind? Is it just to keep your original position ;D It was made very clear that Olli saw through her every move and she had also some genuine moments, besides trying to be manipulative. If VL's wants to show that a character has some hidden agenda (that is not exposed) then they make it clear with music or hidden glances, but they were not there. So we are supposed to take those scenes at face value...
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Post by angelarose on Aug 22, 2011 18:18:05 GMT -5
I don't see how Christian said anything wrong to Olli, Olli just took it the wrong way. Christian isn't automatically wrong just by opening his mouth. Yes, he's acted like an ass but that doesn't mean everything he says or will say in the future is wrong just by virtue of that.
I'm not sure why suddenly Olli feels he's old or is insecure about his age or looks. There must be a reason they're going in this direction (combined with all the teenage love interests of course). Sure, a breakup can screw with your self esteem or confidence, but Olli doesn't believe he and Christian broke up because he wasn't good enough or because of his looks or personality, etc, but because he feels Christian really wants to be with a woman and not a man. And they certainly didn't break up because Christian thought Olli was too old. I'm not sure I get how believing that you're not the gender your significant other truly wants, and this breaking up your relationship, would have this much of an effect on your self esteem or self confidence. This would have nothing to do with being too old, or not good looking enough, or a worthy enough person, but with being a man and not a woman.
Oh, and I still think Jessica manipulated Olli too. She played on his insecurities and fears, and the situation his life is in right now. A person can be aware that someone is trying to get them to do something they want (i e. manipulating them) and still have their buttons pushed and their insecurities played on to the point that they do it anyway.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 22, 2011 18:20:23 GMT -5
How did Christian hurt Olli's self esteem, Olli is the one who brought it up. He totally took what Christian said the wrong way, in fact he seems shocked when Olli says it.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 22, 2011 18:23:13 GMT -5
I still don't understand why Olli is crying. Is he feeling sorry for himself? is that what that whole scene was about? It doesn't explain the longing look at the cardboard cutout either. Did he like what he saw or not?
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Post by angelarose on Aug 22, 2011 18:26:24 GMT -5
I still don't understand how can you see Jessica as a scheming mastermind? Is it just to keep your original position ;D It was made very clear that Olli saw through her every move and she had also some genuine moments, besides trying to be manipulative. If VL's wants to show that a character has some hidden agenda (that is not exposed) then they make it clear with music or hidden glances, but they were not there. So we are supposed to take those scenes at face value... Nobody said 'scheming mastermind' or 'hidden agenda'. I don't think this is some grand scheme or plot with a hidden agenda. Her agenda was obvious, get Olli to sign the contract because she wants to model and that's the only way she could do so. Selfishness was the motovation, and she played on his insecurities and said all the right things to get him to change his mind. She didn't do it for him or because she cares for him, she did it for herself. Like Olli said, a true friend would understand his point of view and feelings, but instead of accepting Olli's decision she kept after him poking at the right nerves until he reconsidered.
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Post by candyflossuk on Aug 22, 2011 18:28:50 GMT -5
I'm glad that Oli's dialogue with Jessica shows that he knows exactly what she's like and isn't as naive as some people believe him to be. He knew Jessica's reasons for wanting him to sign the contract were more for her own benefit than for his. In the end he made the decision by himself, mainly spurred on by Christian's snidey comments more than Jessica's persuasion. And, yes Jessica got what she wanted in the end but they clearly showed that Oli isn't blind to her ability to manipulate people. For what it's worth I do think she was being genuine when she called Oli her true and only friend and told him that he was a great guy. At least Jessica tried to make Oli feel good about himself regardless of her reasons for doing so. Must have been nice to hear that after Christian's uneccesary comment...
'Congratulations on your wise decision'? Urgh! What an utterly idiotic line from Christian. Could he actually be any more judgemental and patronising? And what the hell do Oli's decisions have to do with him now anyway? It's none of his business. That whole dialogue from Christian pretty much sums up everything I've now come to dislike about his character. Did he have to be so damn patronising for no reason at all? From what I could see they were actually being pleasant and not arguing for once but Christian couldn't resist the urge to get on his high horse again and pass judgement on Oli. 'That's already been some time ago' was also a horrible line. Why say that other than to belittle Oli and remind him just how much older he is than Christian? I hated that whole exchange and the bizarre delivery of Christian's lines, almost like he was laughing at Oli (was that intentional by Thore? I found it really odd...).
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Post by shiyo on Aug 22, 2011 18:30:09 GMT -5
I think Olli's reaction wasnt surprising just because of all the things that have been going on in his life. He breaks up with his husband, which doesnt do great things for his self esteem, then he is confronted with a ONS who calls sex with him "geriatric", along with the grey in his hair, all of this with Christian doubting whether or not he could model could very logically lead to the conclusion he came to, that Christian thinks he is too old. If everyone else can speculate about stuff, then so can I .
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Post by AndreB on Aug 22, 2011 18:33:51 GMT -5
But isn't manipulation by definition something that the person who is influenced is not aware about? ;D
So if somebody is convincing you to do something or is just talking to you about whatever, then it's immediately manipulation, because it could change your opinion about the subject in certain direction? I think not.
Like I said, Olli knows very well what is Jessica's goal and why she is talking with him in the way she does. She was trying to manipulate him, but failed. The only time when Jessica managed to manipulate Olli successfully was this thing with Kim's kidnapping.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2011 18:34:39 GMT -5
It seems all of Olli’s insecurities have been bursting all over in the last few weeks (starting with the women with his husband issue, then the age issue), and that’s just damn sad. Ever since they came out full force with the demise of his marriage, they tend to drive a lot of his actions. I don’t know where the writers are going with this, but those really need to dealt with at some point, because it’s clear something has been deeply broken here with Olli. Theresa being polite and clued in enough to say hi and then leave? Olli seems to have that effect on people, I guess. And I’m just not as bothered by Theresa as most people seem to be either. She lives at her own beat and at most, she can just be boring for me. Was it really necessary for Christian to speak down on Olli with his “you’re beyond help” line and then smugly strut back to his lover? Was it so difficult to just say “No, of course that’s not what I meant”? That would have at least indicated that it was all coming from a place of caring still, which would be much welcome from a viewer standpoint considering how little Christian has shown on that department. Even something like “C’mon, don’t be paranoid” would have been better IMO. There was a sneer there that was just unnecessary right after Olli’s burst of insecurity, which was obviously detectable considering the conversation before that point was very polite and amicable. Eh, I'm letting that boat sail away. Christian and Charlie sure have become super confidants. Christian patting Olli in the back, like ‘Good job, kid’, after his Charlie talk (in the same day, no less) made me chuckle. I can’t wait for more Charlie-Christian grown up talks about Olli and his poor or acceptable decisions. Overall, I just don’t know what the writers are trying to accomplish here. Is this all I’m supposed to see in Christian from now on? Anyway, I’ll be positive and say that the Christian and Theresa couple’s matching outfits were cute. Jessica fends for herself and Olli is a big enough boy to see right through it. It’s clear her telling him about the market research was a way to try to sway him, but she made a lot of sensible points and caught on to his issues in a much better way than Christian or Charlie for that matter certainly did. I have no desire to coddle Olli as a poor naïve baby or to burn Jessica on a stick as a manipulative devil. Both see the bottom line as was apparent in the episode to me, and it’s up to them to deal with whatever consequences which might come along. Thanks for the clip!
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Post by angelarose on Aug 22, 2011 18:38:39 GMT -5
But isn't manipulation by definition something that the person who is influenced doesn't know about? ;D So if somebody is convincing you to do something or is just talking to you about whatever, then it's immediately manipulation, because it could change your opinion about the subject in certain direction? I think not. Like I said, Olli knows very well what is Jessica's goal and why she is talking with him in the way she does. She was trying to manipulate him, but failed. The only time when Jessica managed to manipulate Olli successfully was this thing with Kim's kidnapping. No, manipulation is purposely pushing someone's buttons and playing on their insecurities with the sole purpose of getting them to do what you want. Maybe coerced is a better word... And the way I see it, I can be aware of this and still not be strong enough to stand firm or be insecure enough that the button pushing still works.
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Post by shiyo on Aug 22, 2011 18:41:46 GMT -5
Was it really necessary for Christian to speak down on Olli with his “you’re beyond help” line and then smugly strut back to his lover? Was it so difficult to just say “No, of course that’s not what I meant”? That would have at least indicated that it was all coming from a place of caring still, which would be much welcome from a viewer standpoint considering how little Christian has shown on that department. Even something like “C’mon, don’t be paranoid” would have been better IMO. There was a sneer there that was just unnecessary right after Olli’s burst of insecurity, which was obviously detectable considering the conversation before that point was very polite and amicable. Eh, I'm letting that boat sail away. Yeah, that was pretty hateful of Christian. There were many ways to react to Olli's statement, but Christian went the underhanded route. He just resonates class and dignity with all he does and says ;D.
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Post by pru on Aug 22, 2011 19:10:34 GMT -5
Was it really necessary for Christian to speak down on Olli with his “you’re beyond help” line and then smugly strut back to his lover? Was it so difficult to just say “No, of course that’s not what I meant”? That would have at least indicated that it was all coming from a place of caring still, which would be much welcome from a viewer standpoint considering how little Christian has shown on that department. Even something like “C’mon, don’t be paranoid” would have been better IMO. There was a sneer there that was just unnecessary right after Olli’s burst of insecurity, which was obviously detectable considering the conversation before that point was very polite and amicable. Eh, I'm letting that boat sail away. Apparently so, macari. But I guess that's what happens when you've morphed into a know it all, judgmental, trifling, and hypocritical ass, who thinks your sh*t don't stink and that you can look down on everyone else and speak your opinions, but of course no one else can speak their opinions on your behavior.
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Post by sonia38 on Aug 22, 2011 19:14:41 GMT -5
Jessica is truly very selfish, all she thinks about is herself but can you blame in wanting to get ahead. I did not like the stern way she told Olli to sign the paper, I mean, where does she come off. He let her life in his apartment, he's being her friend, she should have some more respect. She could never ever live with me. She did redeem herself there at the end when she spoke to him, sincere or not, I just can't tell cause she wants this job so much but she made him feel so much better about himself and that's a good thing.
Christian really messed with Olli's self esteem with his words, and he did it so nicely but I truly believe that Olli took Christian's words the wrong way. Olli is just all over the place and does not know if he's coming or going. I just wish they could just speak to each other without the fights or the misunderstandings. I miss the loving each other side of them both.
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