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Post by Trish on Aug 22, 2011 15:10:48 GMT -5
Well, it's working. New apartment, great job on the horizon and a guy, with no strings attached, that will do pretty much anything she wants with a little gentle proding. She's living the life and doesn't even have to have sex to have it. A big step up from a month agao. That's it exactly, she's gotten all of these things pretty much entirely due to manipulating, lying, or scheming. She hasn't earned any of them or come by them honestly, or even due to a balanced give and take relationship (she takes from Olli entirely more than she gives.) I'm not sure when Jessica is supposed to have made this transformation from lying conniving selfish bitch to loyal caring friend but I must have blinked and missed it. Maybe it when she went in the bathroom afer putting the contract on the couner and peeking out to make sure Olli saw it. The person that came out, seemed to care much more for Olli.
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Post by AndreB on Aug 22, 2011 15:14:50 GMT -5
Maybe it when she went in the bathroom afer putting the contract on the couner and peeking out to make sure Olli saw it. The person that came out, seemed to care much more for Olli. *Sigh* It was not a contract. Those were the results of market research that were very positive about Olli. Olli knew that Jessica left them there intentionally and said it her right away...
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Post by angelarose on Aug 22, 2011 15:15:39 GMT -5
I mean Olli looks like such a fool. She leaves the contract there, knowing that he will pick it up and he falls right into it. I don't get why people say that he's doing all this stuff because he wants to. He's obviously not thinking straight and is easily manipulated. I think that it would be useful to wait for the translation. Then you could maybe get a better idea what was going on in this episode. ;D I liked that it was made clear how Olli saw through all Jessica's manipulations, so they both know exactly where they stand. On the other hand, Jessica knows very well what is going on in Olli's life and she is saying the right things, unlike Christian or Charlie. So, no, Jessica is not a scheming mastermind, but it was a smart idea from Tanja to make Jessica convince Olli. ;D Isn't knowing what's going on in someone's life and therefore saying all the right things, and thus getting them to do what you want the definition of manipulation?
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Post by Trish on Aug 22, 2011 15:16:05 GMT -5
I mean Olli looks like such a fool. She leaves the contract there, knowing that he will pick it up and he falls right into it. I don't get why people say that he's doing all this stuff because he wants to. He's obviously not thinking straight and is easily manipulated. I think that it would be useful to wait for the translation. Then you could maybe get a better idea what was going on in this episode. ;D I liked that it was made clear how Olli saw through all Jessica's manipulations, so they both know exactly where they stand.
On the other hand, Jessica knows very well what is going on in Olli's life and she is saying the right things, unlike Christian or Charlie. So, no, Jessica is not a scheming mastermind, but it was a smart idea from Tanja to make Jessica convince Olli. ;D You just proved what I said. She said what was needed to persuade him to do what she wants. He might know what she is up to, but the fact that he's letting her make him think that he's on the same level and understanding where he stands with her, shows just how lost he is. Jessica playing games with Jessica in an apartment that at any point in time you can throw her out of, if completley different than signing a contract with Tanja, where you no longer have any control. He has no clue what he's doing and he's letting Jessica lead him into the lion's den.
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Post by AndreB on Aug 22, 2011 15:18:30 GMT -5
Isn't knowing what's going on in someone's life and therefore saying all the right things, and thus getting them to do what you want the definition of manipulation? Like I said in my previous sentence, Olli saw through all of it right away, but there were still some things in Jessica's words that made him think, to give it a second thought...
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Post by pru on Aug 22, 2011 15:20:50 GMT -5
Really, Andre?
You mean to tell me that Olli wasn't some naive child who didn't know what was going on?
That he actually knew the score and made his own decisions? Say it isn't so?
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Post by shiyo on Aug 22, 2011 15:23:50 GMT -5
I think AndreB and lola77 give good advice by saying to wait until we watch with captions. I will wait until I understand what is happening before commenting because looks and expressions and papers I cant read just dont cut it for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2011 15:25:30 GMT -5
I'm sorry people ..., but sometimes I think , some of you should just to wait with your comments for MM's video and subtitles! I'm sure that 90% of you will not change your opinion anyway ;D ;D , but I still think it's better to comment a episode only when I know what exactly was said there
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Post by blaykee on Aug 22, 2011 15:28:49 GMT -5
I'm sorry people ..., but sometimes I think , some of you should just to wait with your comments for MM's video and subtitles! I'm sure that 90% of you will not change your opinion anyway ;D ;D , but I still think it's better to comment a episode only when I know what exactly was said there you're probably right, I've found that the people who watch it in German usually report it way differently than how it comes out in English.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 22, 2011 15:32:58 GMT -5
Isn't knowing what's going on in someone's life and therefore saying all the right things, and thus getting them to do what you want the definition of manipulation? Like I said in my previous sentence, Olli saw through all of it right away, but there were still some things in Jessica's words that made him think, to give it a second thought... Well to me that still sounds like manipulation, knowing what buttons to push. But I'll wait for the translations. In any event, to me Jessica still has selfish motives and she isn't doing any of this for Olli or because she's a great friend who cares so much about him. She cares about one person, herself.
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Post by katemonster on Aug 22, 2011 15:52:45 GMT -5
I wonder if I could ask for some help from a German speaker i've been watching full episodes for just a couple of weeks and i'm having trouble following some of the storylines because I don't know how the people are related to each other.
1..Is the Priest ( I don't know his name) the father of Leonie and what is the issue if he is. Did he not know he was a Dad? was he a priest at the time has the mother lied?
2...What relation are Hagan, Tristan ,Dana and Hagan's Wife to each other?
Sorry to be a pain.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 22, 2011 15:56:19 GMT -5
I wonder if I could ask for some help from a German speaker i've been watching full episodes for just a couple of weeks and i'm having trouble following some of the storylines because I don't know how the people are related to each other. 1..Is the Priest ( I don't know his name) the father of Leonie and what is the issue if he is. Did he not know he was a Dad? was he a priest at the time has the mother lied? 2...What relation are Hagan, Tristan ,Dana and Hagan's Wife to each other? Sorry to be a pain. I'm not a German speaker and I can't help with #1, but I can tell you Hagen and Tristan are brothers, and Dana and Hagen's wife (Marlene) are sisters, and Tristan is Marlene's manager. Hope that helps a little.
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Post by joanna on Aug 22, 2011 16:12:37 GMT -5
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Post by chrischi on Aug 22, 2011 16:17:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the caps, Joanna!! the whole modeling thing is just about that Christian managed to destroy Olli's self-esteem ...and today again some cute scenes with olli and jessica yeah and Olli was very hot in that blue t-shirt Yeah, it was a nice story and it was funny when Jessica found Olli's hair tint in the bathroom. ;D Anyway, Olli looked great today and he was so sweet. I really want an Olli too... The rest of the episode was also quite entertaining for me, apart from the scene with Christian.
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Post by mandalai on Aug 22, 2011 16:22:26 GMT -5
I'll wait for MM video but in the meanwhile I'd like to thank Joanna for the caps! and once again: J is a selfish person, she has got all she wanted but NOTHING because she deserved. And I really hate to see Olli befriending her, even more when she works with her lashes and he does what she wants.
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Post by Trish on Aug 22, 2011 16:22:30 GMT -5
Thanks Joanna. Once again, we have the age thing. Why are they being so heavy handed with this. It's got to have some major point later on.
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Post by pru on Aug 22, 2011 16:24:15 GMT -5
Can't wait to see the actual scenes.
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Post by mandalai on Aug 22, 2011 16:31:28 GMT -5
Thanks Joanna. Once again, we have the age thing. Why are they being so heavy handed with this. It's got to have some major point later on. maybe they want to tell us he can't have what he wants because he is looking for that in the wrong place
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Post by angelarose on Aug 22, 2011 16:35:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the caps Joanna.
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Post by robin1 on Aug 22, 2011 16:37:06 GMT -5
I wonder if I could ask for some help from a German speaker i've been watching full episodes for just a couple of weeks and i'm having trouble following some of the storylines because I don't know how the people are related to each other. 1..Is the Priest ( I don't know his name) the father of Leonie and what is the issue if he is. Did he not know he was a Dad? was he a priest at the time has the mother lied? 2...What relation are Hagan, Tristan ,Dana and Hagan's Wife to each other? Sorry to be a pain. u answered ur 1st question by yourself... yes the priest is the father of leonie (and he's also the brother of timo's mother) and he didnt knew about his daughter. he wasnt always a priest (he's also the son of arno and clarissa) the actress who played leonies mother is the same who played the same role more than 14 years ago. (dear writers: how can leonie be 17 years old? ?) (and she's also the german voice of jenny garth (kelly taylor) in "beverly hills 90210"...) thanks joanna for the wonderful caps!
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Post by bkoz on Aug 22, 2011 16:48:00 GMT -5
Thank you for the caps Joanna.
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Post by Trish on Aug 22, 2011 16:49:23 GMT -5
Thanks Joanna. Once again, we have the age thing. Why are they being so heavy handed with this. It's got to have some major point later on. maybe they want to tell us he can't have what he wants because he is looking for that in the wrong place That's not a reason to point out that he's old. Maybe it's just that he's trying to get back to when he was young and you can't go back. He needs to act his age. Not like some one half his age. Partying is for the young. You would think he would realize that when he was standing at the pool in Majorca wathcing the kids be silly. He must have really felt ot of place there. Don't really know.
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Post by katemonster on Aug 22, 2011 16:53:10 GMT -5
I wonder if I could ask for some help from a German speaker i've been watching full episodes for just a couple of weeks and i'm having trouble following some of the storylines because I don't know how the people are related to each other. 1..Is the Priest ( I don't know his name) the father of Leonie and what is the issue if he is. Did he not know he was a Dad? was he a priest at the time has the mother lied? 2...What relation are Hagan, Tristan ,Dana and Hagan's Wife to each other? Sorry to be a pain. u answered ur 1st question by yourself... yes the priest is the father of leonie (and he's also the brother of timo's mother) and he didnt knew about his daughter. he wasnt always a priest (he's also the son of arno and clarissa) the actress who played leonies mother is the same who played the same role more than 14 years ago. (dear writers: how can leonie be 17 years old? ?) (and she's also the german voice of jenny garth (kelly taylor) in "beverly hills 90210"...) Thanks .. That helps a lot I'd wondered about him and Timo's mom. As for Leonie being 17, in Soap land time is elastic, estranged siblings are always attracted to each other and burnt clothes return to haunt you;D
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Post by MercuryMay on Aug 22, 2011 16:54:51 GMT -5
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Post by shiyo on Aug 22, 2011 16:55:14 GMT -5
twatts, I dont know if I would agree 100% with your statement that "partying is for the young". I am in my 30's and hope I am not too old for a party or for partying.... . And if we look at it from a strictly age point of view, how many singles are out there and in their 30's and are still partying? And why not? They dont have commitments so why do they have to sit at home and watch CSI?
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