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Post by AndreB on Aug 2, 2011 18:28:56 GMT -5
I know what kind of baggage you mean and she's got plenty. I hear you. However, even though Jessica slept with Olli's ex, its not something Christian was forced to do and Jessica wasnt friends with Olli then. The baggage Jessica has, besides for the obvious Christian factor, has NOTHING to do with Olli's life. Word on that. We have to also remember that Tristan was pretty much using Jessica throughout the fake-rape story. I was wondering, when did Olli make an agreement with Christian that Jessica can't live in their house any more? Maybe I missed a scene? At the end of the episode, where Jessica marched out of the flat-share, was Christian rather confused or maybe even slightly sympathetic, but obviously didn't hold a grudge. I'm also wondering why people take so seriously some minor things, like where Jessica will live, while Chrolli are broken up anyway and Christian has proved that he is a hopeless case relationship-wise. IMHO it's hypocritical to blame Olli for forgiving Jessica so easily, while earlier most of the fans were over the moon when Olli forgot all what Christian or Olivia did rather easily. It's just Olli's nature to see always good in people and hope for the best, give them a chance again and again, but sometimes it's just too much, like with Christian, after he snogged with girls three time and then had sex with two on top of that. Olli saw Jessica's good side after Philipp's accident and thought that she is still a human being and not a completely hopeless case, so now he gave her a chance to prove herself. We will see, if she will turn her back on Olli, or not.
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Post by pru on Aug 2, 2011 18:41:58 GMT -5
Tell it, Andre.
It's not like Olli and Christian are trying to work things out and Jessica living in the flatshare is some impediment to that. And I agree about missing a scene because the only time I ever really saw Christian trying to get jazzy with Olli about Jessica was the first time he let her stay there after she accidently hurt her face and Olli felt badly about it.
And then Christian tried to get in his face and then Olli agreed that she could live in the guest house after that.
Chrolli are over for the forseeable future and Olli can do whatever he pleases and the same goes for Christian. And if Dana and Andi don't have a problem with her living there it's none of Christian's business.
Oh and at least when Jessica apologized to Olli for sleeping with Christian you could tell she really meant it as opposed to the lip service sorries Christian was giving Olli so he would hurry up and forgive him.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 2, 2011 18:44:50 GMT -5
I'm glad that I got to see Charlie actually being an Aunt AND a best friend TO her nephew, Olli. She stopped being "The Christian Whisperer" for at least a moment.
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Post by sonia38 on Aug 2, 2011 18:52:53 GMT -5
Jessica and Olli have tons of chemistry and they simply work well together and I actually enjoy their scenes together.
With that said, I really don't see how Olli could be friends with her at all, all the chemistry and the fact that they work well together aside, she willing slept with his husband and now he is letting her move into the home that they once shared together, that's a no no in my book. I hear what Olli said when he mentioned Jessica taking care of him when the accident happened with the prince and Olli has such a kind and loving heart but still this is just beyond believable. I would not want to see either of them right now but the writers have different ideas and we just have to accept them to that I say bull what what are we going to do.
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Post by pru on Aug 2, 2011 19:23:28 GMT -5
I'm glad that I got to see Charlie actually being an Aunt AND a best friend TO her nephew, Olli. She stopped being "The Christian Whisperer" for at least a moment. Hopefully it will last longer than one episode.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 2, 2011 19:36:53 GMT -5
OK I just watched. So Olli didn't sleep with Rafael? He keeps calling him a flirt. Fling would be a better word if he actually slept with him. Interesting.
Jessica wasn't that annoying but she was barely there, I expected more I guess. I don't hate her, I'm taking her for exactly what she is, comic relief. There's a bigger picture here that I don't know about, so I'll go along for the ride.
I didn't see what was so pathetic about having a beer, but to each his own. Christian even said he couldn't go back and forget the past, that it wouldn't work for him. Talking with Andi is at least showing he thinks about his past.
It was nice to see Olli and Charlie, she seemed so happy. So Olli polishes at home too? He may have a slight case of OCD lol
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Post by pru on Aug 2, 2011 19:44:36 GMT -5
No, Olli did sleep with Rafael.
He called him a flirt because that is what they consider a fling. Did you miss it when Jessica blurted out that Olli had sex?
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Post by blaykee on Aug 2, 2011 19:45:41 GMT -5
no I didn't, he didn't confirm it, he just said "Jessica"
eta: and he didn't call him a flirt he said he "flirted with him"
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Post by blaykee on Aug 2, 2011 19:53:01 GMT -5
Anyone know the actual German word he uses when he says "flirt"?
eta: nvm he actually says "flirt"
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Post by AndreB on Aug 2, 2011 20:41:33 GMT -5
Anyone know the actual German word he uses when he says "flirt"? eta: nvm he actually says "flirt" We had a discussion about the German word "Urlaubsflirt" in spoilers thread and native speakers explained that it's equal to "summer love" in English.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 2, 2011 20:47:32 GMT -5
I believe that Olli did sleep/have sex sith Rafa. I think he keeps dismissing it because like he told Andi it didn't mean anything to him. He was lonely hurt and wanted for a little while to get Christian and the mess that is his marriage out of his head.
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Post by gabyta07 on Aug 2, 2011 20:57:13 GMT -5
I believe that Olli did sleep/have sex sith Rafa. I think he keeps dismissing it because like he told Andi it didn't mean anything to him. He was lonely hurt and wanted for a little while to get Christian and the mess that is his marriage out of his head. I think is more bc he feels guilty about it, after all he recognized to Andi, that he does count it as cheating.
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Post by pru on Aug 2, 2011 21:01:53 GMT -5
no I didn't, he didn't confirm it, he just said "Jessica" eta: and he didn't call him a flirt he said he "flirted with him" Bottomline is he slept with Rafael.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 2, 2011 21:04:03 GMT -5
Anyone know the actual German word he uses when he says "flirt"? eta: nvm he actually says "flirt" We had a discussion about the German word "Urlaubsflirt" in spoilers thread and native speakers explained that it's equal to "summer love" in English. thank you, somehow I missed that (which is weird), and I wasn't hearing the urlaubs part.
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Post by pru on Aug 2, 2011 21:04:20 GMT -5
I believe that Olli did sleep/have sex sith Rafa. I think he keeps dismissing it because like he told Andi it didn't mean anything to him. He was lonely hurt and wanted for a little while to get Christian and the mess that is his marriage out of his head. Exactly, LadyArmand. He was hurt and sad and in that moment Rafael made him feel amazing and wanted so he went for it.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 2, 2011 21:07:06 GMT -5
I'm not saying he doesn't feel guilty. I'm saying he also doesn't see it as meaning anything. I also think he only feels guilty about it because Christian thinks he should. Which to me is ironic considering Christian's recent actions.
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Post by pru on Aug 2, 2011 21:07:33 GMT -5
I believe that Olli did sleep/have sex sith Rafa. I think he keeps dismissing it because like he told Andi it didn't mean anything to him. He was lonely hurt and wanted for a little while to get Christian and the mess that is his marriage out of his head. I think is more bc he feels guilty about it, after all he recognized to Andi, that he does count it as cheating. I don't think so gaby. Cheating means you have to answer for your actions to someone else and since he made it very clear before he left for Majorca that he and Christian were over, that's not it at all. He felt sad about everything because he never thought he would ever be sharing his body with anyone else once he and Christian got married.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 2, 2011 21:13:43 GMT -5
I think is more bc he feels guilty about it, after all he recognized to Andi, that he does count it as cheating. I don't think so gaby. Cheating means you have to answer for your actions to someone else and since he made it very clear before he left for Majorca that he and Christian were over, that's not it at all. He felt sad about everything because he never thought he would ever be sharing his body with anyone else once he and Christian got married. Not to be argumentative, but why doesn't he deny it? Why was he speechless when Christian accused him of cheating. Whether or not he technically "cheated" he did look guilty after Christian yelled at him.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 2, 2011 21:14:43 GMT -5
I think is more bc he feels guilty about it, after all he recognized to Andi, that he does count it as cheating. I don't think so gaby. Cheating means you have to answer for your actions to someone else and since he made it very clear before he left for Majorca that he and Christian were over, that's not it at all. He felt sad about everything because he never thought he would ever be sharing his body with anyone else once he and Christian got married. Pru that's great point. Olli took his vows serioulsy and meant them. He did think it was until death do us part. so to face being with someone other than Christian was hard and sad. We saw that Olli was hesitant to be with Rafa but went for it because for the first time in a while he felt he had a man's undivided attention, and it felt good. Any guilt he felt or feels now is because Christian wants to make it appear that since he slept with Rafa they are now even. Which they are not.
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Post by gabyta07 on Aug 2, 2011 21:19:42 GMT -5
I don't think so gaby. Cheating means you have to answer for your actions to someone else and since he made it very clear before he left for Majorca that he and Christian were over, that's not it at all. He felt sad about everything because he never thought he would ever be sharing his body with anyone else once he and Christian got married. Pru that's great point. Olli took his vows serioulsy and meant them. He did think it was until death do us part. so to face being with someone other than Christian was hard and sad. We saw that Olli was hesitant to be with Rafa but went for it because for the first time in a while he felt he had a man's undivided attention, and it felt good. Any guilt he felt or feels now is because Christian wants to make it appear that since he slept with Rafa they are now even. Which they are not. In my book they are even not bc of the cheating but bc many things Olli has done, and btw Olli did cheat, as much as Christian cheated, the marriage is not over just bc Olli spoke, they need a divorce, and until there is no divorce, they are still married, and I read about German divorce laws, and he could have asked for divorce, hel* even just married ppl have asked for a divorce. So there is no excuse for any of them.
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Post by pru on Aug 2, 2011 21:20:47 GMT -5
I don't think so gaby. Cheating means you have to answer for your actions to someone else and since he made it very clear before he left for Majorca that he and Christian were over, that's not it at all. He felt sad about everything because he never thought he would ever be sharing his body with anyone else once he and Christian got married. Pru that's great point. Olli took his vows serioulsy and meant them. He did think it was until death do us part. so to face being with someone other than Christian was hard and sad. We saw that Olli was hesitant to be with Rafa but went for it because for the first time in a while he felt he had a man's undivided attention, and it felt good. Any guilt he felt or feels now is because Christian wants to make it appear that since he slept with Rafa they are now even. Which they are not. Which boogles my mind but when you put yourself in Christian's head I can see him coming up with that immature reasoning and saying they are even now, like Olli sleeping with Rafael is even remotely like what he has done. Thus proving my opinion that he is delusional. LadyArmand, I also think Olli was devastated besides being sad when he woke up and realized what he did with Rafael, because he just was not ready but Rafael made him forget for awhile and reality set in when he woke up.
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Post by pru on Aug 2, 2011 21:26:15 GMT -5
I don't think so gaby. Cheating means you have to answer for your actions to someone else and since he made it very clear before he left for Majorca that he and Christian were over, that's not it at all. He felt sad about everything because he never thought he would ever be sharing his body with anyone else once he and Christian got married. Not to be argumentative, but why doesn't he deny it? Why was he speechless when Christian accused him of cheating. Whether or not he technically "cheated" he did look guilty after Christian yelled at him. He didn't look guilty at all to me. He looked at Christian like he lost his damn mind by using the word cheating like they are still together and they're not. It's almost like Christian has wiped the conversation they had in the hallway prior to Olli going to Majorca out of his mind. Proof of that is him acting like Olli should have told him goodbye and where he was going. Like it was any of his damn business after Olli let him know the deal and took off his ring.
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Post by sonia38 on Aug 2, 2011 21:38:22 GMT -5
I actually thought he did look guilty about the entire one night stand when Christian went off with this tirade. The only reason for that is because in his mind he thought he cheated, I don't think he did, but he does and that's what the writers probably were trying to convey which is total BS by the way.
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Post by blaykee on Aug 2, 2011 21:39:52 GMT -5
I actually thought he did look guilty about the entire one night stand when Christian went off with this tirade. The only reason for that is because in his mind he thought he cheated, I don't think he did, but he does and that's what the writers probably were trying to convey which is total BS by the way. well we know he had a guilty conscience when talking to his aunt.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 2, 2011 22:08:08 GMT -5
I don't remember Christian ever actually saying they were even and I'm not sure I remember Christian actually saying Olli cheated either (I remember Andi saying they both cheated and Olli not denying it.), though I suppose maybe he does feel Olli cheated. But I don't remember those words actually coming from Christian. The only thing I remember Christian yelling at Olli during their fight about Jessica and the bill was that Olli's 'fling' with Rafael was just as "cheap" as Christian's with Theresa. I could be forgetting, of course, but that's what I remember.
But, Olli did admit to Charlie that he had a bad conscience, so he clearly feels guilty, whether he actually considers it cheating or not. Though I consider his not correcting Andi when he said Olli "cheated" on Christian just as telling as when Christian didn't correct Charlie when she referred to Christian "cheating" on Olli. And it does seem like the show, at least to some degree, wants the audience to view both as cheating.
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