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Post by blaykee on Aug 2, 2011 22:17:33 GMT -5
I don't remember Christian ever actually saying they were even and I'm not sure I remember Christian actually saying Olli cheated either (I remember Andi saying they both cheated and Olli not denying it.), though I suppose maybe he does feel Olli cheated. But I don't remember those words actually coming from Christian. The only thing I remember Christian yelling at Olli during their fight about Jessica and the bill was that Olli's 'fling' with Rafael was just as "cheap" as Christian's with Theresa. I could be forgetting, of course, but that's what I remember. But, Olli did admit to Charlie that he had a bad conscience, so he clearly feels guilty, whether he actually considers it cheating or not. Though I consider his not correcting Andi when he said Olli "cheated" on Christian just as telling as when Christian didn't correct Charlie when she referred to Christian "cheating" on Olli. And it does seem like the show, at least to some degree, wants the audience to view both as cheating. You're right, it was Andi, not Christian.
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Post by gabyta07 on Aug 2, 2011 22:18:26 GMT -5
I don't remember Christian ever actually saying they were even and I'm not sure I remember Christian actually saying Olli cheated either (I remember Andi saying they both cheated and Olli not denying it.), though I suppose maybe he does feel Olli cheated. But I don't remember those words actually coming from Christian. The only thing I remember Christian yelling at Olli during their fight about Jessica and the bill was that Olli's 'fling' with Rafael was just as "cheap" as Christian's with Theresa. I could be forgetting, of course, but that's what I remember. But, Olli did admit to Charlie that he had a bad conscience, so he clearly feels guilty, whether he actually considers it cheating or not. Though I consider his not correcting Andi when he said Olli "cheated" on Christian just as telling as when Christian didn't correct Charlie when she referred to Christian "cheating" on Olli. And it does seem like the show, at least to some degree, wants the audience to view both as cheating. I said in my BOOK they are even, and I never said, in VL someone said they are even And you are right Christian never said Olli cheated, I even think Christian doesnt think Olli cheated, as he doesnt think he cheated with Theresa. The one who said the word cheated and Olli didnt deny it was Andi.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 2, 2011 22:29:11 GMT -5
I know, Gaby, it wasn't a response to your post.
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Post by gabyta07 on Aug 2, 2011 22:47:13 GMT -5
I know, Gaby, it wasn't a response to your post. Oh ok, sorry about that then
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Post by pru on Aug 2, 2011 23:02:52 GMT -5
Christian told Charlie he and Olli were even when he and Charlie were discussing things and he had his epiphany moment that it was wrong of him to screw jockey girl in Charlie's apartment.
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Post by Trish on Aug 2, 2011 23:08:01 GMT -5
Christian told Charlie he and Olli were even when he and Charlie were discussing things and he had his epiphany moment that it was wrong of him to screw jockey girl in Charlie's apartment. Charlie said it and that they should forget it and move on. That's when Christian said that she should tell Olli to do that. I think Andi thinks they are even too. He said they both cheated and that the situation was getting silly. He was going to say more, but then he sat on Jessica's shoe. Does it really matter if we think they are even or not? Arguing about it isn't goting to change anyone's opinon. I thnk the writers think they are even. They have both of them sleep with people and now they are having Olli forgive Jessica, so that wipes that one away too.
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Post by phoenix-feather on Aug 2, 2011 23:26:34 GMT -5
just watched MM's video. things I liked: >Dana and Olli chemistry, she's really warm. >Andi's and Christian's pathetic stupid faces, they just amuse me. >Olli/Jessica hug, it reminded me of Olivia and I loved Olivia. >my favorite part: Auntie Charlie's "don't mess with me today!" to Jessica, you so rocked it babe! things that I didn't quite like: >Olli saying he feels sorry for Jessica, cuz she took care of him during the accident fiasco. Olli Christian wanted to take care of you too and you treated him like a leper!!! (ok I know he apologized to Christian later for treating him that way, but it still bugged me!) >Olli using the term 'flirt' and others (Andi and Jessica) indicating sex.(and we all know it was more or less) I wish the writers made a clear distinction between a flirt and a fling. Christian's stunts are 'cheating' and Olli's are 'flirt' even though its definitely something more! uncool writers big talks about discrimination! I think the only cheating in this SL happened with Jessica, everything subsequent was just bitchiness. and hereby I end my review for today ;D
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Post by angelarose on Aug 2, 2011 23:30:57 GMT -5
Christian didn't tell Charlie he and Olli were even when they spoke. Charlie said he and Olli were really making things difficult for themselves, and Christian responded that he never should've started anything with Theresa, to which Charlie responded "but you did, and now Olli got his revenge." So, if anyone was implying Christian and Olli were even it was Charlie, but Christian never said those words. And gaby, no need to apologize.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 2, 2011 23:44:21 GMT -5
Christian told Charlie he and Olli were even when he and Charlie were discussing things and he had his epiphany moment that it was wrong of him to screw jockey girl in Charlie's apartment. Charlie said it and that they should forget it and move on. That's when Christian said that she should tell Olli to do that. I think Andi thinks they are even too. He said they both cheated and that the situation was getting silly. He was going to say more, but then he sat on Jessica's shoe. Does it really matter if we think they are even or not? Arguing about it isn't goting to change anyone's opinon. I thnk the writers think they are even. They have both of them sleep with people and now they are having Olli forgive Jessica, so that wipes that one away too. You're right, it's not really worth debating. So, I'm off this topic.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 2, 2011 23:56:44 GMT -5
Actually when Charlie said that Christian and Olli were even because they both cheated and should move on, that she should tell Olli that. I gleaned from his response that Christian does think Olli's ONS makes them even now. And the argument they had in the apartment before jessica showed up also indicated to me that Christian thinks they are even. When Olli said Christian liked cheap things and Christian went off, he said something to the effect that after having a ONS with someone he might not even remember the name of that Olli basically no longer had the right to say that to him. Again it appears to me that he believes they are even and that Olli no longer can throw in his face his initial cheat with Jessica or his subsequent cheat with jockey girl.
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Post by Trish on Aug 3, 2011 0:01:00 GMT -5
Actually when Charlie said that Christian and Olli were even because they both cheated and should move on, that she should tell Olli that. I gleaned from his response that Christian does think Olli's ONS makes them even now. And the argument they had in the apartment before jessica showed up also indicated to me that Christian thinks they are even. When Olli said Christian liked cheap things and Christian went off, he said something to the effect that after having a ONS with someone he might not even remember the name of that Olli basically no longer had the right to say that to him. Again it appears to me that he believes they are even and that Olli no longer can throw in his face his initial cheat with Jessica or his subsequent cheat with jockey girl. Just because he siad that what Olli did was cheap, doesnt' mean that he feels they are even. He just didn't think it was right for Olli to call him sleeping with Theresa cheap when what he did was also cheap. He hooked up with a guy in the span of a few days. How could that not be cheap. Not saying that what Christian did was right, but on the level of cheapness, Olli was the pot calling the kettle black.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 3, 2011 0:04:49 GMT -5
All I was saying was that Christian never explicitly said those words, and that both those scenes are up for interpretation. Okay, NOW I'm off the topic.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 3, 2011 0:07:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure in that instance he was talking about Theresa. I think he was talking about Jessica. And even if he was talking about Theresa, there is nothing more cheap than sleeping with the next one across from your ex, and in your ex's aunts apartment. Olli went away to forget and Rafa helped him with that. It was fast and it was meaningless, but he wasn't carrying on an affair where his husband could see it in all of it's cheap glory.
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Post by gabyta07 on Aug 3, 2011 0:15:29 GMT -5
God can we just stop!!!! One thinks is black and the other think is white The thing is we are never going to agree. Not matter what you say, I will still think Olli cheated, I will still think him sleeping with Rafa was as cheap as Christian sleeping with Theresa, I will still think they are even and I would still think they deserve each other. Nothing anyone says is going to change that, at least not now, I have heard all the arguments, and no one has convince me of the contrary. So could we just stop PEACE AND KISSES
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 3, 2011 0:19:44 GMT -5
It always astounds me when people don't like what you have to say then it's time to stop and make peace. While in the very next breath explaining again why they think they are right.
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Post by Trish on Aug 3, 2011 0:19:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure in that instance he was talking about Theresa. I think he was talking about Jessica. And even if he was talking about Theresa, there is nothing more cheap than sleeping with the next one across from your ex, and in your ex's aunts apartment. Olli went away to forget and Rafa helped him with that. It was fast and it was meaningless, but he wasn't carrying on an affair where his husband could see it in all of it's cheap glory. Okay Gaby. I'll stop, but just because Olli didn't do it in front of Christian, that doesn't make what he did not cheap. Going to bed with someone that you don't know and don't know anything and don't want to know anything about, for the sake of just making yourself feel good. Is cheap. My opinion and yes, what Christian did was cheap too.
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 3, 2011 0:22:09 GMT -5
Again someone is stopping. But first they have to explain why they see it as white and not black or is that black and not white...
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Post by gabyta07 on Aug 3, 2011 0:26:09 GMT -5
Lets just stop. Every side already said their argument right? So lets talk about something else.... Oh, a friend of mine made this great video of Jo shirtless, it was really good!!!! ;D And I was looking to some old Jo's videos, and he is really like a wine, as older he gets, the better he is. ;D But I do find THore more handsome, but Jo hotter
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Post by LadyArmand on Aug 3, 2011 0:32:49 GMT -5
I have never liked it when people who don't know me tell me what I should or should not say simply because they don't want to read it. If you don't want to read it, here's a thought don't or better yet don't respond. But don't tell me when I should stop talking about a subject in a thread geared to disscussion.
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Post by philos on Aug 3, 2011 0:36:21 GMT -5
someone knows how to translate correctly "discussione sterile"? this is my impression of the last 10 posts. naturally, if you want you can continue; who doesn't care will skip.
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Post by Trish on Aug 3, 2011 0:38:11 GMT -5
Again someone is stopping. But first they have to explain why they see it as white and not black or is that black and not white... Actually my daughter is the same way. We always say that she needs to have the last word. She gets so mad arguing that she doesn't. Then we tell her that if she doesn't have to then she shouldn't have to say anything. Then she tries to explan why what we are saying isn't right. We always get a good laugh, because she just doesnt' get it. But I'm done on the subject and I have nothing else to say about it. I'm too tired to think anymore anyway. Does that count? Anyway. Night guys.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 3, 2011 0:52:05 GMT -5
Night twatts.
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Post by bel7003 on Aug 3, 2011 1:52:27 GMT -5
Goood morning, everyone. (yawns!) I just want to say something: I absolutely hated them calling each other cheap. I don't care why or who is right or who is wrong. I plain hated it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2011 2:34:14 GMT -5
Thanks Joanna for the screencaps and thanks MM for the video My post is certainly not as intelligent , interesting or important as the posts on the last few pages, but... I'm in love with this picture
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Post by gabyta07 on Aug 3, 2011 2:40:25 GMT -5
Thanks Joanna for the screencaps and thanks MM for the video My post is certainly not as intelligent , interesting or important as the posts on the last few pages, but... I'm in love with this picture why?
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