VL 1-5/08/11 ep chat (+ caps/vids)

[Difficult Diva]

If Christian's so "cash poor", why can't he go out and find another job? It's not like he's got to devote tons of his extra free time to a relationship. He's got an existing heart condition, but he's still in his prime. Or, is Olli to blame for him not being proactive about that as well?

[pru]

Aug 2, 2011 16:22:18 GMT -5 shiyo said:

DD, not a word about Christian. She even seemed happy to hear about Rafael. To which I say, THANK GOD!! Be happy for your nephew for the little fun he had on vacay!!

And once again, champagne! I am glad to see it make another appearance.

Tell it, shiyo.

She did seem really happy for Olli and glad that he enjoyed himself with Rafael. And I was so glad they toasted and talked about Charlie and Clarissa's friendship.

[pru]

Aug 2, 2011 16:24:44 GMT -5 Difficult Diva said:

If Christian's so "cash poor", why can't he go out and find another job? It's not like he's got to devote tons of his extra free time to a relationship. He's got an existing heart condition, but he's still in his prime. Or, is Olli to blame for him not being proactive about that as well?

DD, come on now.

You and I both know he is still having sexy fun times with Theresa, even though it offscreen, as for him having a heart condition...it doesn't seem to stop him for screwing or boxing now does it?

And I thought you got the memo, Olli is to blame for everything...you know...since he is moving on with his life and having adventures with Jessica.

[Deleted]

Aug 2, 2011 16:18:10 GMT -5 gabyta07 said:

I dont call those friends, yeah nobody is calling his BS, but that not being a friend, thats the opposite, that is not caring enough about the person. If a friend of mine, is doing something wrong I call on her BS.
And Christian only follows Charlie around, but they are not friends, Charlie only let him stay bc of his connection with Olli and bc Charlie thinks that Olli should take him back since Oliver has never been as happy with anyone.
And yes Olli's friends, I dont think they are judging him, just calling his BS, and taking responsability for it. Something Olli didnt do until later.
But I guess we see things very differently ;D

I didn’t see them asking Olli to own up to anything, just to sweep everything under the rug (which Christian seems to be in favor of), stop being so damn stubborn and childish, take Christian back and live happily ever after with him because, as he just must accept, they are meant to be, despite the little normal “distractions” of Christian’s.

So yes, we do in fact see some things differently. ;D

Side note: I don't think I've ever watched a soap where so many bottles of champagne are opened for just about anything. The sky's blue today? Champagne!

[gabyta07]

Aug 2, 2011 16:24:44 GMT -5 Difficult Diva said:

If Christian's so "cash poor", why can't he go out and find another job? It's not like he's got to devote tons of his extra free time to a relationship. He's got an existing heart condition, but he's still in his prime. Or, is Olli to blame for him not being proactive about that as well?

In that I agree DD, I said it before and I will say it again, I think Christina should leave temporarily, right now the character is useless, every character is having an SL, and Christian is nothing.
Or just find another job, separate his life from Olli's, plus he is not doing anything in the stables, just do another thing man
Bc is obvious that you are not Olli's business partner even if the paper say so, Olli just stole from you, and you let him...leave DD, you dont have anything there!!!!

[shiyo]

I want Clarissa and Charlie to do some Thelma and Louise action, with scarves, sunglasses, convertibles, dead hot men who look like Brad Pitt, come on, VL!!!!
Give the girls some fun!

[pru]

shiyo, you are hilarious.

They are so Thelma and Louise it ain't even funny. I can see them causing trouble together when they are finally reunited.

[candyflossuk]

So it's not going to be popular opinion here but I like Oli and Jessica together....she can't be much worse than Oli's current lame group of friends anyway. And at least she isn't always lecturing Oli about how he should stop being 'stubborn' and just take Christian back already like certain other 'friends' of Oli have been doing.

Ironically it was Rebecca who turned out to be the most loyal towards Oli but she's gone now. And Andi seems to think Chris/Oli's marriage problems are one hilarious big joke. I think his line today pretty much sums up how lightly he takes fidelity in a relationship 'we were plastered and she was willing, it just happened'...wow what a great attitude, way to take responsibility..... . Worse thing is that when their together his jackass attitude seems to rub off on Christian.
Oh and then there's Dana who I like because she doesn't sugar coat Christian's behaviour like everyone else does. But she does project her own relationship problems onto Chrolli whilst giving them advice.
Finally you've got Charlie who doesn't seem to know the meaning of 'family loyalty', lectures Oli about everything he does but always has excuses ready for Christian. Had to 'lol' at her 'I thought we were the best of friends' line. She's been an awful aunt to Oli recently. I don't see why he should show her loyalty when she shows him none.
So....yeah, I really son't mind Jessica being friends with Oli (or whatever weird relationship the writers are trying to create between them).

Of course it's ridiculous to think that Oli would befriend the women who slept with his husband. But believability hasn't exactly been a strong point of this storyline so far....

[mandalai]

Aug 2, 2011 13:32:05 GMT -5 gabyta07 said:

I'm really upset with Olli.

First he discusses and reaches an agreement with Christian, and then he turns around and does another one.
This is his pattern, if Christian has to break the cheating pattern, Olli has to break this one, this one violates too their trust.
And thats not the only thing about it, it seems the NL bar and the apartments only belong too to Christian when its convenient for Olli.
When its not convenient its like he is the only owner.
Christian said "NO JESSICA", and he is not respecting the decision of his business partner. Olli can not ask Christian to pay for Jessica's mess when he is allowing her in the apartment again.
I dont blame Christian for not buying clothes when the fire, Im sure it was bar money, and he didnt know if he could touch it.
Yes, Christian put his ***** into a women's ******
but this has cost him the love of his life, his money, his friends, his house, everything the poor guys has nothing.
While Olli, disregards and disrespects Christian's decisions, then he cheats on him, and he has everything, friends, money, business, a house...well an apartment, really something is wrong here.
And Im not saying Christian shouldnt be pusnished but he is not the only to blame here.
This situation is so awful

I agree gaby... here there is something which completely doesn't work... and chrolliforever you are right. I'm sick of J, too.
It's a scandal! she's everywhere, in every SL and if you think about she's much more screentime than chrolli... definitely there's something wrong in this delirium writers called storyline...

[pru]

Aug 2, 2011 16:37:14 GMT -5 candyflossuk said:

So it's not going to be popular opinion here but I like Oli and Jessica together....she can't be much worse than Oli's current lame group of friends anyway. And at least she isn't always lecturing Oli about how he should stop being 'stubborn' and just take Christian back already like certain other 'friends' of Oli have been doing.

Ironically it was Rebecca who turned out to be the most loyal towards Oli but she's gone now. And Andi seems to think Chris/Oli's marriage problems are one hilarious big joke. I think his line today pretty much sums up how lightly he takes fidelity in a relationship 'we were plastered and she was willing, it just happened'...wow what a great attitude, way to take responsibility..... . Worse thing is that when their together his jackass attitude seems to rub off on Christian.
Oh and then there's Dana who I like because she doesn't sugar coat Christian's behaviour like everyone else does. But she does project her own relationship problems onto Chrolli whilst giving them advice.
Finally you've got Charlie who doesn't seem to know the meaning of 'family loyalty', lectures Oli about everything he does but always has excuses ready for Christian. Had to 'lol' at her 'I thought we were the best of friends' line. She's been an awful aunt to Oli recently. I don't see why he should show her loyalty when she shows him none.
So....yeah, I really son't mind Jessica being friends with Oli (or whatever weird relationship the writers are trying to create between them).

Of course it's ridiculous to think that Oli would befriend the women who slept with his husband. But believability hasn't exactly been a strong point of this storyline so far....

Hello, candy!

Have you not been reading my posts?

I absolutely HEART and ADORE Olli and Jessica together. They are hilarious and she totally is crushing on him in a friendship way and I love how protective she is of Olli and is not giving him bad advice or drinking the Olli should be back with Christian kool aid just because....

And Olli even though he didn't want to likes her and I think she reminds him of Olivia. Especially in their scenes today. When she commented on him having sex that is so something Olivia would have done.

I can't wait to see their scenes where they are taking those modeling pictures.

[mandalai]

thanks MM for the video and joanna for the caps...

[Trish]

Aug 2, 2011 16:37:15 GMT -5 mandalai said:

Aug 2, 2011 13:32:05 GMT -5 gabyta07 said:

I'm really upset with Olli.

First he discusses and reaches an agreement with Christian, and then he turns around and does another one.
This is his pattern, if Christian has to break the cheating pattern, Olli has to break this one, this one violates too their trust.
And thats not the only thing about it, it seems the NL bar and the apartments only belong too to Christian when its convenient for Olli.
When its not convenient its like he is the only owner.
Christian said "NO JESSICA", and he is not respecting the decision of his business partner. Olli can not ask Christian to pay for Jessica's mess when he is allowing her in the apartment again.
I dont blame Christian for not buying clothes when the fire, Im sure it was bar money, and he didnt know if he could touch it.
Yes, Christian put his ***** into a women's ******
but this has cost him the love of his life, his money, his friends, his house, everything the poor guys has nothing.
While Olli, disregards and disrespects Christian's decisions, then he cheats on him, and he has everything, friends, money, business, a house...well an apartment, really something is wrong here.
And Im not saying Christian shouldnt be pusnished but he is not the only to blame here.
This situation is so awful

I agree gaby... here there is something which completely doesn't work... and chrolliforever you are right. I'm sick of J, too.
It's a scandal! she's everywhere, in every SL and if you think about she's much more screentime than chrolli... definitely there's something wrong in this delirium writers called storyline...

Yes she does. Why did we have to see her coming in with her bags. The phone call made sense, but she could have just left to say that she was going to get her things and be done with it. Olli could have answered the phone for the Tanya connection, yet they felt the need for Jessica to do it. She was okay when she was used sparingly, but in big doses, she's too much for me.

[gabyta07]

Aug 2, 2011 17:12:14 GMT -5 Trish said:

Aug 2, 2011 16:37:15 GMT -5 mandalai said:

I agree gaby... here there is something which completely doesn't work... and chrolliforever you are right. I'm sick of J, too.
It's a scandal! she's everywhere, in every SL and if you think about she's much more screentime than chrolli... definitely there's something wrong in this delirium writers called storyline...

Yes she does. Why did we have to see her coming in with her bags. The phone call made sense, but she could have just left to say that she was going to get her things and be done with it. Olli could have answered the phone for the Tanya connection, yet they felt the need for Jessica to do it. She was okay when she was used sparingly, but in big doses, she's too much for me.

Agreed, a comedy villain should just be a support character nothing more.
This is starting to feel like a complot to me, to shoo away the international Chrolli fans

[shiyo]

gabyta- I dont know if it will send fans away. Some people actually LIKE Ollica. (like me)

I want Olli to have new friends without baggage. Who knows, maybe Olli is taking Christian's advice of leaving things in the past with regard to Jessica?

And like Rebecca, if there is too much of a Jessica overload it will backfire. So this is a test and the audience response will be something tptb will be watching.

[candyflossuk]

Aug 2, 2011 13:32:05 GMT -5 gabyta07 said:

I'm really upset with Olli.

First he discusses and reaches an agreement with Christian, and then he turns around and does another one.
This is his pattern, if Christian has to break the cheating pattern, Olli has to break this one, this one violates too their trust.
And thats not the only thing about it, it seems the NL bar and the apartments only belong too to Christian when its convenient for Olli.
When its not convenient its like he is the only owner.
Christian said "NO JESSICA", and he is not respecting the decision of his business partner. Olli can not ask Christian to pay for Jessica's mess when he is allowing her in the apartment again.
I dont blame Christian for not buying clothes when the fire, Im sure it was bar money, and he didnt know if he could touch it.
Yes, Christian put his ***** into a women's ******
but this has cost him the love of his life, his money, his friends, his house, everything the poor guys has nothing.
While Olli, disregards and disrespects Christian's decisions, then he cheats on him, and he has everything, friends, money, business, a house...well an apartment, really something is wrong here.
And Im not saying Christian shouldnt be pusnished but he is not the only to blame here.
This situation is so awful

I wouldn't go as far as saying Oli 'has everything'. What does he have at the minute that's so great? The 'friends' you mention are mostly Christian's friends too. And let's face it they aren't exactly loyal are they? In fact most of them have sided with Christian over the Jessica thing, despite Oli being the one who was cheated on! And Charlie is Oli's family but from the way she's written you'd think she was Christian's aunt, not Oli's.
Christian lost 'the love of his life' because of his inability to keep his trousers on so with regards to that point I have far more sympathy with Oli. And with regards to your point that Oli 'cheats on him'....come on now, if Christian has issues with that then he really needs to look in the mirror!

So yes he's lost his house and his possessions but I don't agree that he has lost his friends. He also isn't pennyless, his sudden lack of money is merely a plot device to facilitate this stupid storyline. If he was that poor then there's nothing stopping him applying for better paid jobs is there? Also he seems faily content with Charlie and why shouldn't he be? She's practically his cheerleader atm.... . Oh and he still has his sexy times friend so he hasn't quite lost everything has he?
So he still has a job that he enjoys, friends, a friend with benefits (Theresa) and Charlie. In my opinion he still has money but clearly the writers don't want us to think so so that point is debatable...

I'm not denying that Oli shouldn't have gone against Christian's wishes and moved Jessica in. That was wrong. But I don't think Oli has everything whilst Christian has nothing. He was the one who cheated so therefore it's natural that he is the one who leaves the apartment.
The situation is awful for both of them I agree. And Oli shouldn't have discussed the situation with Christian then moved Jessica in anyway, I also agree with that. But I certainly don't feel that Oli has anything particulary great going on in his life. I mean who wants to be living across the hall from their cheating husband whose bringing women home to screw?

[Trish]

Aug 2, 2011 17:27:44 GMT -5 shiyo said:

gabyta- I dont know if it will send fans away. Some people actually LIKE Ollica. (like me)

I want Olli to have new friends without baggage. Who knows, maybe Olli is taking Christian's advice of leaving things in the past with regard to Jessica?

And like Rebecca, if there is too much of a Jessica overload it will backfire. So this is a test and the audience response will be something tptb will be watching.

You didn't say that Jessica came without baggage, did you. Honey she's got a whole suit of luaggage and several carry ons.

[shiyo]

Aug 2, 2011 17:47:56 GMT -5 Trish said:

Aug 2, 2011 17:27:44 GMT -5 shiyo said:

gabyta- I dont know if it will send fans away. Some people actually LIKE Ollica. (like me)

I want Olli to have new friends without baggage. Who knows, maybe Olli is taking Christian's advice of leaving things in the past with regard to Jessica?

And like Rebecca, if there is too much of a Jessica overload it will backfire. So this is a test and the audience response will be something tptb will be watching.

You didn't say that Jessica came without baggage, did you. Honey she's got a whole suit of luaggage and several carry ons.

Ok, dear. Not that kind of baggage.

[Difficult Diva]

Aug 2, 2011 16:29:08 GMT -5 pru said:

Aug 2, 2011 16:24:44 GMT -5 Difficult Diva said:

If Christian's so "cash poor", why can't he go out and find another job? It's not like he's got to devote tons of his extra free time to a relationship. He's got an existing heart condition, but he's still in his prime. Or, is Olli to blame for him not being proactive about that as well?

DD, come on now.

You and I both know he is still having sexy fun times with Theresa, even though it offscreen, as for him having a heart condition...it doesn't seem to stop him for screwing or boxing now does it?

And I thought you got the memo, Olli is to blame for everything...you know...since he is moving on with his life and having adventures with Jessica.

Christian can still have sexy fun times with Theresa. It's a booty call. Their sexy fun times can happen late in the evening.

I must have misplaced that memo, along with the memo from Hollyoaks, that Ste's the one who's got to "learn how to trust" his abuser.

[Trish]

Aug 2, 2011 17:51:05 GMT -5 shiyo said:

Aug 2, 2011 17:47:56 GMT -5 Trish said:

You didn't say that Jessica came without baggage, did you. Honey she's got a whole suit of luaggage and several carry ons.

Ok, dear. Not that kind of baggage.

I know what kind of baggage you mean and she's got plenty.

[Difficult Diva]

Aug 2, 2011 16:37:14 GMT -5 candyflossuk said:

So it's not going to be popular opinion here but I like Oli and Jessica together....she can't be much worse than Oli's current lame group of friends anyway. And at least she isn't always lecturing Oli about how he should stop being 'stubborn' and just take Christian back already like certain other 'friends' of Oli have been doing.

Ironically it was Rebecca who turned out to be the most loyal towards Oli but she's gone now. And Andi seems to think Chris/Oli's marriage problems are one hilarious big joke. I think his line today pretty much sums up how lightly he takes fidelity in a relationship 'we were plastered and she was willing, it just happened'...wow what a great attitude, way to take responsibility..... . Worse thing is that when their together his jackass attitude seems to rub off on Christian.
Oh and then there's Dana who I like because she doesn't sugar coat Christian's behaviour like everyone else does. But she does project her own relationship problems onto Chrolli whilst giving them advice.
Finally you've got Charlie who doesn't seem to know the meaning of 'family loyalty', lectures Oli about everything he does but always has excuses ready for Christian. Had to 'lol' at her 'I thought we were the best of friends' line. She's been an awful aunt to Oli recently. I don't see why he should show her loyalty when she shows him none.
So....yeah, I really son't mind Jessica being friends with Oli (or whatever weird relationship the writers are trying to create between them).

Of course it's ridiculous to think that Oli would befriend the women who slept with his husband. But believability hasn't exactly been a strong point of this storyline so far....

Candyflossuk - We share the same thoughts, because I've just watched the clips and "If it's wrong, then I don't want to be right", because I'm enjoying Ollica and I really like Jessica. Yes, she slept, had sex, knocked boots, was a slutty slutty slutty tramp with Andi AND Christian, but she didn't (let me repeat, didn't) "make them" sleep with her. Olli knows that and he's okay with it, so I'm okay with Jessica becoming a member of the flatshare that he shares with Dana and Andi (One half of the idiot 'macho man' posse).

[Deleted]

Aug 2, 2011 17:52:58 GMT -5 Difficult Diva said:

I must have misplaced that memo, along with the memo from Hollyoaks, that Ste's the one who's got to "learn how to trust" his abuser.

Ok, I know it's completely OT, but I have to know. I've had to step away from the comments (and on some level the whole thing altogether) on that whole storyline for my own sanity, but please tell me that's not one argument that's actually going around?

[Difficult Diva]

Aug 2, 2011 16:30:27 GMT -5 gabyta07 said:

Aug 2, 2011 16:24:44 GMT -5 Difficult Diva said:

If Christian's so "cash poor", why can't he go out and find another job? It's not like he's got to devote tons of his extra free time to a relationship. He's got an existing heart condition, but he's still in his prime. Or, is Olli to blame for him not being proactive about that as well?

In that I agree DD, I said it before and I will say it again, I think Christina should leave temporarily, right now the character is useless, every character is having an SL, and Christian is nothing.
Or just find another job, separate his life from Olli's, plus he is not doing anything in the stables, just do another thing man
Bc is obvious that you are not Olli's business partner even if the paper say so, Olli just stole from you, and you let him...leave DD, you dont have anything there!!!!

What did Olli "steal" from Christian? Gregor sold NL to both of them. For the sake of their relationship (before they even got married), Olli fired Christian from working at the coffeeshop, because they never had anytime apart. As a couple, you don't need to be around each other 24 hours and 7 days a week all the time. Christian agreed and was happy about it, because he wanted to do something else, right? Something that interested him and he found out that working with horses was something that he enjoyed. Then the show created the heart condition. Olli didn't steal from him. Christian's still a co-owner of both NL and their apartment building. It isn't like he's penniless.

[shiyo]

Aug 2, 2011 17:53:20 GMT -5 Trish said:

Aug 2, 2011 17:51:05 GMT -5 shiyo said:

Ok, dear. Not that kind of baggage.

I know what kind of baggage you mean and she's got plenty.

I hear you. However, even though Jessica slept with Olli's ex, its not something Christian was forced to do and Jessica wasnt friends with Olli then.

The baggage Jessica has, besides for the obvious Christian factor, has NOTHING to do with Olli's life. In fact, it opens him up to new opportunities and storylines. So I am excited for this new pairing.

[Trish]

Aug 2, 2011 18:10:24 GMT -5 shiyo said:

Aug 2, 2011 17:53:20 GMT -5 Trish said:

I know what kind of baggage you mean and she's got plenty.

I hear you. However, even though Jessica slept with Olli's ex, its not something Christian was forced to do and Jessica wasnt friends with Olli then.

The baggage Jessica has, besides for the obvious Christian factor, has NOTHING to do with Olli's life. In fact, it opens him up to new opportunities and storylines. So I am excited for this new pairing.

If you want to say it opens him up to new s/ls that fine, but don't try to sugar coat it and make it seem like Jessica has no baggage other than Christian. Besides whether Chrisitan seduced her into bed or whatever, she could have said no. Then there's his friend Andi that he was very involved with during the time she was calling him a rapist.

There is a reason why Jessica is the way she is, and you can feel sorry for you all you want, but to let her live with you when her other roommates threw her out and she destroyed your property that you have to pay for, is stupid. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

[shiyo]

Aug 2, 2011 18:18:07 GMT -5 Trish said:

Aug 2, 2011 18:10:24 GMT -5 shiyo said:

I hear you. However, even though Jessica slept with Olli's ex, its not something Christian was forced to do and Jessica wasnt friends with Olli then.

The baggage Jessica has, besides for the obvious Christian factor, has NOTHING to do with Olli's life. In fact, it opens him up to new opportunities and storylines. So I am excited for this new pairing.

If you want to say it opens him up to new s/ls that fine, but don't try to sugar coat it and make it seem like Jessica has no baggage other than Christian. Besides whether Chrisitan seduced her into bed or whatever, she could have said no. Then there's his friend Andi that he was very involved with during the time she was calling him a rapist.

There is a reason why Jessica is the way she is, and you can feel sorry for you all you want, but to let her live with you when her other roommates threw her out and she destroyed your property that you have to pay for, is stupid. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

I am not sugar coating anything. Why should Jessica have said no anymore than Christian did? I dont see why Jessica should have had to say no. She set out to seduce and she did. This is not on her at all.

She and Olli seemed to have this understanding, where they get each other and will NOT put up with each others shit. I dont think Jessica will try to do that to Olli, she seems to really like him. As for Andi, well his brain seems to have fallen out since he doesnt seem to care about Jessica and also with regard to his really careless remark in his recent conversation with Christian, he doesnt seem to broken up about Jessica either. But Olli needs to be the moral barometer here?

I am not saying its all fine and dandy that Jessica is moving in, it is messed up. For sure. However, it is what is happening now and I am going to enjoy it!