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Post by Bliss on Aug 1, 2011 16:00:10 GMT -5
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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Post by mandalai on Aug 1, 2011 16:33:39 GMT -5
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. you are right but I meant they should take a step forward and restart learning the lesson of the past, though, in order to fix their issues
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Post by Trish on Aug 1, 2011 16:43:43 GMT -5
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. you are right but I meant they should take a step forward and restart learning the lesson of the past, though, in order to fix their issues Also, if you can't let your past, determine your actions. The past is gone, you can only live in the present and hope for the future.
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Post by mandalai on Aug 1, 2011 16:47:09 GMT -5
you are right but I meant they should take a step forward and restart learning the lesson of the past, though, in order to fix their issues Also, if you can't let your past, determine your actions. The past is gone, you can only live in the present and hope for the future. So true, Trish!
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Post by Trish on Aug 1, 2011 16:51:03 GMT -5
Also, if you can't let your past, determine your actions. The past is gone, you can only live in the present and hope for the future. So true, Trish! Hey, I read fortune cookies too.
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Post by psychocandy on Aug 1, 2011 18:05:33 GMT -5
Poor Thore! He looks bored out of his brain in these caps. Even more bored than in the Lily story.
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Post by katemonster on Aug 1, 2011 18:57:10 GMT -5
Chris and Andi look kinda cute together...I could stand a lot more of that
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Post by katemonster on Aug 1, 2011 19:15:48 GMT -5
I'm going to say something that I may end up regretting, but I'm going to say it anyway, I think they should give him a temporary leave to Thore, is obviously they are not doing anything with the Christian character, just some few seconds in some other episode. Its really sad seeing Christian becoming an utilitery The reason I don't usually like soaps is the high speed drama with no character ever having a normal life for more than one episode. They never have time to recover from the one crisis before the next one hits and then the previous one gets forgotten immediately. Christian and Olli need to have a little quiet space before they reconcile to reflect and maybe learn something about what life without each other really means. Rebbecca was the supporting role/third wheel with Chrolli for months it's only fair that Chrolli give other characters support. Soap friendships should be like real life friendships where it's not always you in the limelight but a shifting focus between characters.
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Post by pru on Aug 1, 2011 20:21:09 GMT -5
thanx lolaruns. Chris and Andi are both really pathetic losers at the moment. kinda feel sad and sorry for them, I mean they've completely lost it... Maybe next he could suggest to Andi that the sure way to win Helena back is to shag Jessica under Helana's castle window and then assure her that it sucked. Obviously that is bound to recapture Helena's heart and convince her of his maturity ;D *diies uncontrollably* No you didn't, lolaruns...you so wrong.
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Post by psychocandy on Aug 1, 2011 20:33:02 GMT -5
Chris and Andi look kinda cute together...I could stand a lot more of that Mature.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 0:03:55 GMT -5
I guess that from now on whenever I need to give a good advice to a friend, I need some beers on the side ;D I really, really hope, that HelAndi will be over at least for the next couple of months. Thanks for translation LR and Joanna for the caps.
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Post by angelarose on Aug 2, 2011 0:33:50 GMT -5
Thanks Joanna for the caps!
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Post by bel7003 on Aug 2, 2011 1:38:46 GMT -5
Some days ago, people were saying we didn't know how Christian felt or what he thought. Well, I guess his talk with Helena, the other day (when he advised her to talk to Andi, because if she didn't she might have the same problem he was havng with Olli; he even recognized he had started to talk to Olli too late), and yesterday's talk with Andi seem to be the way the writers found to let us know what's going through his mind. And I like his friendship with Andi. (The same goes for Olli and Andi.) It goes way back and I think they have a good interaction. And it's good to hear Christian (and Olli, when that happens) talking about his relationship and his feelings for Olli. Even if it's just a tiny, little bit. (a deeper conversation would be too much to ask from VL :
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Post by katemonster on Aug 2, 2011 2:21:33 GMT -5
Chris and Andi look kinda cute together...I could stand a lot more of that Mature. Is there a reason I shouldn't like to see them together? Perhaps you were hoping to see another bout of sex with Teresa? I follow and enjoy Christian AND Olli together and apart and although i'd be sad if they didn't get back together i'd keep watching. Andi is breaking up with Helena, had a threesome with Chris and has admitted fears about his sexuality so it is credible that something happens between them. In real life gay men may not usually want sex with their BFF's but it's Forbidden Love so the more innapropriate it is the more likely it is.
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Post by mariesun on Aug 2, 2011 3:05:17 GMT -5
[ Is there a reason I shouldn't like to see them together? Perhaps you were hoping to see another bout of sex with Teresa? I follow and enjoy Christian AND Olli together and apart and although i'd be sad if they didn't get back together i'd keep watching. Andi is breaking up with Helena, had a threesome with Chris and has admitted fears about his sexuality so it is credible that something happens between them. In real life gay men may not usually want sex with their BFF's but it's Forbidden Love so the more innapropriate it is the more likely it is. everyone likes something different, someone likes Christian and Andi, someone likes Olli's scenes with Jessica. I personally don't like Christian with Andi and their strange beer chemistry - the problem is , that Christian doesn't have any friends. Dana has her own problems, or she's often with Olli now than with Christian , and in his scenes with Charlie - Christian also doesn't look overly sympathetic.There's terribly missing someone like Gregor - with him Christian / Thore had a great chemistry, and Gregor was not such a idiot as Andi and his advices made sense.But such a role in the current cast doesn't exist - I was hoping that Hagen could be Christian's friend - but he's much worse than Andi. Hagen is IMO a horrible role.
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Post by suvitar234 on Aug 2, 2011 3:32:40 GMT -5
[ Is there a reason I shouldn't like to see them together? Perhaps you were hoping to see another bout of sex with Teresa? I follow and enjoy Christian AND Olli together and apart and although i'd be sad if they didn't get back together i'd keep watching. Andi is breaking up with Helena, had a threesome with Chris and has admitted fears about his sexuality so it is credible that something happens between them. In real life gay men may not usually want sex with their BFF's but it's Forbidden Love so the more innapropriate it is the more likely it is. everyone likes something different, someone likes Christian and Andi, someone likes Olli's scenes with Jessica. I personally don't like Christian with Andi and their strange beer chemistry - the problem is , that Christian doesn't have any friends. Dana has her own problems, or she's often with Olli now than with Christian , and in his scenes with Charlie - Christian also doesn't look overly sympathetic.There's terribly missing someone like Gregor - with him Christian / Thore had a great chemistry, and Gregor was not such a idiot as Andi and his advices made sense.But such a role in the current cast doesn't exist - I was hoping that Hagen could be Christian's friend - but he's much worse than Andi. Hagen is IMO a horrible role. Andi has known both Christian and Olli for many years. Most of the time I like their friendship even if Andi could be a little more considered of what he says to Chrolli. He´s not very good at giving advice in relationships. I do miss Gregor, he was a good and sensible friend and brother. He knew how to get both Christian and Olli to think again and especially from other person´s point of view when they had problems. It´s a soap thing that characters don´t have that many friends and friend disappear to be never heard again (like Judith).
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Post by Bliss on Aug 2, 2011 6:22:07 GMT -5
Before you can take a step forward, the lesson of the past should be clear to both and be talked about. They clearly have not done that. So the danger of repeating the same mistakes over and over again, remains. Leider
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Post by teachgirl on Aug 2, 2011 9:52:13 GMT -5
Some days ago, people were saying we didn't know how Christian felt or what he thought. Well, I guess his talk with Helena, the other day (when he advised her to talk to Andi, because if she didn't she might have the same problem he was havng with Olli; he even recognized he had started to talk to Olli too late), and yesterday's talk with Andi seem to be the way the writers found to let us know what's going through his mind. And I like his friendship with Andi. (The same goes for Olli and Andi.) It goes way back and I think they have a good interaction. And it's good to hear Christian (and Olli, when that happens) talking about his relationship and his feelings for Olli. Even if it's just a tiny, little bit. (a deeper conversation would be too much to ask from VL : I think you are right, that there is at least an attempt to show us what Christian is thinking in the Helena scene and then this one. I have to admit that I like Olli and Andi a bit better than Christian and Andi. My annoyance with them together is mostly the residue from the Lilly storyline, where Olli seemed to be with Lilly all the time while Christian was portrayed as some macho who was always drinking and playing foosball with Andi. I think they are a bit better together now that they actually have something serious to talk about. I'd still like to see Christian talk to someone who might actually push him to explain himself a little more -- like what parts of his and Olli's past he'd want to erase? (cause there were some awfully good parts, and wanting to erase everything is just very sad). As you said, probably too much to expect at this point from VL.
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Post by Trish on Aug 2, 2011 9:57:49 GMT -5
Some days ago, people were saying we didn't know how Christian felt or what he thought. Well, I guess his talk with Helena, the other day (when he advised her to talk to Andi, because if she didn't she might have the same problem he was havng with Olli; he even recognized he had started to talk to Olli too late), and yesterday's talk with Andi seem to be the way the writers found to let us know what's going through his mind. And I like his friendship with Andi. (The same goes for Olli and Andi.) It goes way back and I think they have a good interaction. And it's good to hear Christian (and Olli, when that happens) talking about his relationship and his feelings for Olli. Even if it's just a tiny, little bit. (a deeper conversation would be too much to ask from VL : I think you are right, that there is at least an attempt to show us what Christian is thinking in the Helena scene and then this one. I have to admit that I like Olli and Andi a bit better than Christian and Andi. My annoyance with them together is mostly the residue from the Lilly storyline, where Olli seemed to be with Lilly all the time while Christian was portrayed as some macho who was always drinking and playing foosball with Andi. I think they are a bit better together now that they actually have something serious to talk about. I'd still like to see Christian talk to someone who might actually push him to explain himself a little more -- like what parts of his and Olli's past he'd want to erase? (cause there were some awfully good parts, and wanting to erase everything is just very sad). As you said, probably too much to expect at this point from VL. It's a figure of speech. I think he just wants to get past the hurt.
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Post by teachgirl on Aug 2, 2011 10:06:23 GMT -5
I think you are right, that there is at least an attempt to show us what Christian is thinking in the Helena scene and then this one. I have to admit that I like Olli and Andi a bit better than Christian and Andi. My annoyance with them together is mostly the residue from the Lilly storyline, where Olli seemed to be with Lilly all the time while Christian was portrayed as some macho who was always drinking and playing foosball with Andi. I think they are a bit better together now that they actually have something serious to talk about. I'd still like to see Christian talk to someone who might actually push him to explain himself a little more -- like what parts of his and Olli's past he'd want to erase? (cause there were some awfully good parts, and wanting to erase everything is just very sad). As you said, probably too much to expect at this point from VL. It's a figure of speech. I think he just wants to get past the hurt. It may be metaphoric, but it indicates an inclination to sweep everything under the rug - to recall the good and forget the bad. But if he wants to start over with a clean slate, he needs to understand both exactly which parts cause the hurt and which parts were rich and joyful and can be built upon rather than erased. I think he needs someone to remind him of that. But at this point I am satisfied to see him talking about it at all, and obviously remembering and missing the good parts.
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Post by Trish on Aug 2, 2011 10:48:51 GMT -5
It's a figure of speech. I think he just wants to get past the hurt. It may be metaphoric, but it indicates an inclination to sweep everything under the rug - to recall the good and forget the bad. But if he wants to start over with a clean slate, he needs to understand both exactly which parts cause the hurt and which parts were rich and joyful and can be built upon rather than erased. I think he needs someone to remind him of that. But at this point I am satisfied to see him talking about it at all, and obviously remembering and missing the good parts. Just because you remember something, it doesn't mean that you have to carry it with you. Instead it's best to let it go and move on. Just because you let it go, doesn't mean that you haven't learned anything. If you hold on to it. It can keep you from being open to the future, because of the fear of what has happened in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 12:17:54 GMT -5
well, Jessica is back in the flatshare ... I guess, some Chrolli-fans will hate Olli today , but... I really loved his scenes with Jessica and especially with Charlie Olli, Jessica and Charlie - a great combination!!
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Post by gabyta07 on Aug 2, 2011 13:32:05 GMT -5
I'm really upset with Olli. First he discusses and reaches an agreement with Christian, and then he turns around and does another one. This is his pattern, if Christian has to break the cheating pattern, Olli has to break this one, this one violates too their trust. And thats not the only thing about it, it seems the NL bar and the apartments only belong too to Christian when its convenient for Olli. When its not convenient its like he is the only owner. Christian said "NO JESSICA", and he is not respecting the decision of his business partner. Olli can not ask Christian to pay for Jessica's mess when he is allowing her in the apartment again. I dont blame Christian for not buying clothes when the fire, Im sure it was bar money, and he didnt know if he could touch it. Yes, Christian put his ***** into a women's ****** but this has cost him the love of his life, his money, his friends, his house, everything the poor guys has nothing. While Olli, disregards and disrespects Christian's decisions, then he cheats on him, and he has everything, friends, money, business, a house...well an apartment, really something is wrong here. And Im not saying Christian shouldnt be pusnished but he is not the only to blame here. This situation is so awful
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Aug 2, 2011 13:38:50 GMT -5
I'm getting really REALLY sick of Jessica.....
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Post by gabyta07 on Aug 2, 2011 13:43:13 GMT -5
I'm getting really REALLY sick of Jessica..... Where is the "Like" button is this forum, I cant find it anywhere Anyway, I totally agree, hope she disappears little by little as soon as Chrolli reunites.
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