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Post by HQ75 on Dec 28, 2012 20:21:07 GMT -5
This is random and a very SMALL part of what is being discussed here but 'Team Will' bothers me. Why are we not allowed to be temporarily upset or frustrated with someone without people saying you 'hate' them? All that does is pit the boys against each other. I'm not on a 'team' I just find that so silly and trivial. I just like these characters and sometimes I might be upset with one vs another, as you might be with your own relationships. Sorry. I like Will, I'm sure I'll still like him afterwards but I still fail to see the motivation behind not telling Sonny, so I am frustrated with him right now. I'm Team Will because I think what he is going through is horrible and I wouldn't wish it on anyone and I think what Gabi and Nick have done in the past to get their way and what they are doing now is inhumane and I want Gabi and Nick to pay. Gabi was adamant that Will and she would be in this together, making all the decisions about this baby together but the second Nick offered to "take care of her" she decided Will doesn't matter, the fact that he is obviously struggling and in pain and confused doesn't matter to Gabi. I have no dougbt that Chad and Sonny love Will and will support him because they know that live is not simple. This situation is not simple and Will has had to make all of these huge decisions alone because of his fear and insecurity. A person can only be where they are. I can wish all kinds of things about Will but at the end of the day, he's a scared 19 year old who is miserable and he feels like he's all alone and can't talk to anyone. Meanwhile his much older cousin and his ex girlfriend (who are supposed to care about him) are selfishly parading their lying asses all through the Horton and Brady family and have the nerve to basically send Will to hell for having any feelings. The thing about being young is that you frequently make decisions out of fear and an inability to see other options. In this entire baby scenario, Will has been the one suffering while Gabi just decides what to do and think Nick decides what to do and the two of them manipulate and guilt trip Will into going along not because he's weak but because he genuinely cares about the baby, his baby and is afraid of making the wrong decision. It's easy to call him weak (as some other people have) because he doesn't automatically know what the right decision is be he's obviously troubled and not happy with THIS decision either. Also, it's not just HIS baby. It is also Gabi's baby and it's not like Will can just take over carrying the baby and ignore what Gabi thinks or wants. So I guess that is what I mean by "Team Will" I have never pitted Sonny and Will against each other because for me they are on the same side. They love each other and they should support each other through hard times, not break up every time one of them does something the other doesn't like or understand. At the end of the day, for me, the more important thing is that Will is going to be a father. Everything else aside, that is a completely life altering, forever thing and he needs support from the people who love him. Team GACK can go to hell without a handbasket. Gabi and Nick are both criminals and should be in jail. Gabi isn't even sorry about she did to Melanie. I've thought about Chad a lot recently. About his state of mind when he finally found Melanie about how he must have felt when he discovered that Gabi knew where Melanie was all the time they were searching for her and how horrible it must have felt for him to keep it from Melanie then to immediately have to deal with the other man who kidnapped and tormented Melanie being out on parole and hanging out with Gabi? It's not wonder Chad flipped. The fact that Nick and Gabi have no remorse, no sense of how their actions effected Melanie or Chad, and now no sense of how much they must be hurting Will, makes them sociopaths in my opinion. I want to see them pay. Not Nicole "Work in a church for a while with a priest I have the hots for" pay but seriously pay for their ways.
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Post by md1347 on Dec 28, 2012 20:29:45 GMT -5
Brave? Yeah no! Brave is standing up and doing the right thing and telling the damn truth. Everything in Will is wanting him to this but is he listening to his inner self? HELL to the MF NO! He is letting dumb and dumber continue to manipulate his ass and fill his head full of bs where Sonny is concerned. Basically he is trying to save a relationship that doesn't need to be saved by lying and denying paternity of his child. It's always brave when you put someone you love's well being before your own. Will wants to be a part of the child's life and that is why he is having doubts. He feels that Nick might be a homophobe, but he hasn't confronted him about it yet. Maybe it was a term of endearment, like Sonny's dweeb. But he's not putting Sonny's well being above his own. He's trying to save his own ass and by not telling Sonny straight out, he's digging a deeper whole that will cave in when Sonny finds out and dumps his sorry ass.
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Post by WillNSonny on Dec 28, 2012 20:33:32 GMT -5
Just wondering how many of you really want Sonny to dump Will? Hasn't it been established that unless Sonny is on with Will, we don't see Sonny ? Take Monday for example. Sonny is not in scenes with Will and we get Sonny for all of 2 scenes. Where as Will is in several scenes. I know it sounds good on paper as I have been wanting this. But I fear if Sonny breaks up with Will, we won't see Sonny even more than we already don't see him . They will be on a break and we will see Will in lots of story but Sonny probably not on as he will be broken up from Sonny.
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Post by md1347 on Dec 28, 2012 20:35:40 GMT -5
I'm Team Will because I think what he is going through is horrible and I wouldn't wish it on anyone and I think what Gabi and Nick have done in the past to get their way and what they are doing now is inhumane and I want Gabi and Nick to pay. I'm team "good story" and we are not getting one. I'm tired of hearing about Gabi and Nick. Will caused this entire issue by not stepping up and being a man about the situation. This current situation and what's coming next with people find out the truth and his and Sonny's relationship, is all his fault and only his fault.
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Post by liliane on Dec 28, 2012 20:38:01 GMT -5
@hq75 i always enjoy reading your posts and i do agree with every word you said. about will, i think some people are really unfair to will, he's a great guy, yes he's not making the right decision because he's scared and young and wants the best for his baby and not because he's weak, i really enjoy and love this character , and i will always be on will side and i hope sonny will be there for him and not break up with him.
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Post by md1347 on Dec 28, 2012 20:42:00 GMT -5
Just wondering how many of you really want Sonny to dump Will? Hasn't it been established that unless Sonny is on with Will, we don't see Sonny ? Take Monday for example. Sonny is not in scenes with Will and we get Sonny for all of 2 scenes. Where as Will is in several scenes. I know it sounds good on paper as I have been wanting this. But I fear if Sonny breaks up with Will, we won't see Sonny even more than we already don't see him . They will be on a break and we will see Will in lots of story but Sonny probably not on as he will be broken up from Sonny. It's not about wanting, it's about what's deserved for what Will has done. If I was Sonny, I would be pissed. Trust is important.
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Post by WillNSonny on Dec 28, 2012 20:47:44 GMT -5
Just wondering how many of you really want Sonny to dump Will? Hasn't it been established that unless Sonny is on with Will, we don't see Sonny ? Take Monday for example. Sonny is not in scenes with Will and we get Sonny for all of 2 scenes. Where as Will is in several scenes. I know it sounds good on paper as I have been wanting this. But I fear if Sonny breaks up with Will, we won't see Sonny even more than we already don't see him . They will be on a break and we will see Will in lots of story but Sonny probably not on as he will be broken up from Sonny. It's not about wanting, it's about what's deserved for what Will has done. If I was Sonny, I would be pissed. Trust is important. Oh I agree. I am just saying if they do break up we probably won't see Sonny at all since he only gets airtime when in scenes with Will . And for the record I am also TEAMGOODSTORY like you said .
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Post by archeri on Dec 28, 2012 20:49:51 GMT -5
Just wondering how many of you really want Sonny to dump Will? Hasn't it been established that unless Sonny is on with Will, we don't see Sonny ? Take Monday for example. Sonny is not in scenes with Will and we get Sonny for all of 2 scenes. Where as Will is in several scenes. I know it sounds good on paper as I have been wanting this. But I fear if Sonny breaks up with Will, we won't see Sonny even more than we already don't see him . They will be on a break and we will see Will in lots of story but Sonny probably not on as he will be broken up from Sonny. I want like someone else said, for them to be broken up for a while but still friends. Sonny supporting him with the baby situation which helps them get back together. Not just taking the easy way out which is Sonny being mad for a half a second then he forgets that Will lied to him for months.
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Post by amigazo722 on Dec 28, 2012 20:55:02 GMT -5
I don't want Sonny to dump Will. They are supposedly in love and people who love each other don't drop each other over this kind of thing. If they did no one would be together for more than two weeks. No one is perfect and forgiveness is part of loving someone. Will did not have an affair. He has lied about something that happened prior to his relationship with Sonny. This is a soap and Will's lying is just a cheap, but effective way to build drama. I would love to see Will tell Sonny the truth before he hears it from someone else, but it probably be more of a Daysaster kind of thing at the wedding. Sonny will probably find out just like Chad found out about Gabi by overhearing it.
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Post by Trish on Dec 28, 2012 21:11:27 GMT -5
I don't want Sonny to dump Will. They are supposedly in love and people who love each other don't drop each other over this kind of thing. If they did no one would be together for more than two weeks. No one is perfect and forgiveness is part of loving someone. Will did not have an affair. He has lied about something that happened prior to his relationship with Sonny. This is a soap and Will's lying is just a cheap, but effective way to build drama. I would love to see Will tell Sonny the truth before he hears it from someone else, but it probably be more of a Daysaster kind of thing at the wedding. Sonny will probably find out just like Chad found out about Gabi by overhearing it. You are probably right. Maybe when Will/Nick have their fight. That was my thought of how it would happen at first, but I still hold out hope that Will will tell him. I actually wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in the back of Sonny's mind if he kind of suspected it was the case when he had supposedly figured it out, but he went the other route and said it was Nick's because he didn't want to believe it was Will's. If that's the case he won't be shocked and he will tell Will that he knew and Will will be the one surprised. Because honestly, who thinks that someone goes running to their ex to help them get an abortion, no matter how good a friend they still are.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2012 21:23:01 GMT -5
Based on spoilers I think Mon and Wed are the days Will and Sonny are on next week. Freddie had posted his airdates through Dec and did not have the 31st listed and now the 31st show is on the 1st so I doubt he will be on and since it's still NYE Will probably won't be either. It's possible the 2nd/WED is still NYE. NYE actually began on todays show based on Sonny's comment about "this is how you are going to spend the last day of the year". So it looks like NYE is multiple days.
Also, I am also hoping Sonny stands by Will when the truth comes out. Sami will be the one upset the most because Will considered giving up her grandchild. As usual she'll make it about herself.
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Post by superfamous on Dec 28, 2012 21:37:57 GMT -5
Just wondering how many of you really want Sonny to dump Will? Hasn't it been established that unless Sonny is on with Will, we don't see Sonny ? Take Monday for example. Sonny is not in scenes with Will and we get Sonny for all of 2 scenes. Where as Will is in several scenes. I know it sounds good on paper as I have been wanting this. But I fear if Sonny breaks up with Will, we won't see Sonny even more than we already don't see him . They will be on a break and we will see Will in lots of story but Sonny probably not on as he will be broken up from Sonny. I want Sonny to dump will because will has to pay for his stupid mistakes; his stupid decisions. He has to pay for the lying. Losing Sonny and having to chase him would work. I know that's not going to happen, but it would work. As I see it, Sonny is not going to get mad. He's not even going to blink. He's going to be like, "Okay", hug will and say that they're going to get through it together. Yuck. That's a weakling, right there. They would finally kill Sonny. That would show that will has his balls in a vice grip. I just know that if I was Sonny, I would drop will and not even look back. And this will being young nonsense -- no. You cannot blame being young on everything. I know that when I was will's age, I was not making stupid decisions like that.
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Post by LonePirate on Dec 28, 2012 21:53:55 GMT -5
Just wondering how many of you really want Sonny to dump Will? Hasn't it been established that unless Sonny is on with Will, we don't see Sonny ? Take Monday for example. Sonny is not in scenes with Will and we get Sonny for all of 2 scenes. Where as Will is in several scenes. I know it sounds good on paper as I have been wanting this. But I fear if Sonny breaks up with Will, we won't see Sonny even more than we already don't see him . They will be on a break and we will see Will in lots of story but Sonny probably not on as he will be broken up from Sonny. Unless Will comes clean on his own in a private and very apologetic moment with Sonny, then I want Sonny to rip Will a new one and then dump his lying ass. Will needs to be taught a lesson that his lies are not going to be tolerated. He can either beg for forgiveness up front or he can suffer the consequences. Sonny deserves better.
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Post by Trish on Dec 28, 2012 22:11:33 GMT -5
Just wondering how many of you really want Sonny to dump Will? Hasn't it been established that unless Sonny is on with Will, we don't see Sonny ? Take Monday for example. Sonny is not in scenes with Will and we get Sonny for all of 2 scenes. Where as Will is in several scenes. I know it sounds good on paper as I have been wanting this. But I fear if Sonny breaks up with Will, we won't see Sonny even more than we already don't see him . They will be on a break and we will see Will in lots of story but Sonny probably not on as he will be broken up from Sonny. I want Sonny to dump will because will has to pay for his stupid mistakes; his stupid decisions. He has to pay for the lying. Losing Sonny and having to chase him would work. I know that's not going to happen, but it would work. As I see it, Sonny is not going to get mad. He's not even going to blink. He's going to be like, "Okay", hug will and say that they're going to get through it together. Yuck. That's a weakling, right there. They would finally kill Sonny. That would show that will has his balls in a vice grip. I just know that if I was Sonny, I would drop will and not even look back. And this will being young nonsense -- no. You cannot blame being young on everything. I know that when I was will's age, I was not making stupid decisions like that. Lucky you, but unless your life compares to Will's you can't really put your decisions on him. They have made a point of saying that Sonny is more mature than Will. He's traveled all over Europe. Kate told Sonny to be careful of his young hear, he kick Will out of his apartment shortly after that, but still she did say it. This is Will's first real realtionship and he's already messed up once and in his head, this is another big one, so he's trying to keep it under control, but he's not doing a great job. Sonny is obviously still worried about him, given his conversation with his mom on Monday. As long as Sonny is feeling that something is wrong, it won't be strange if he finds out what it is and doesn't catch the first plan out of town.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2012 22:57:40 GMT -5
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Post by meaghan on Dec 28, 2012 23:06:42 GMT -5
Team 'good story' I can handle.
What I'm still struggling with is understanding why being sympathetic to Will's predicament and sympathetic to Sonny's potential heartbreak can't be done at the same time. Why not? Isn't that supposed to be how a good story works? Maybe that just means it's failing. It just feels to me like if you're super sympathetic to Will, the general consensus is that Sonny can't possibly have a bad reaction to being lied to, that would be just cruel and unloving on Sonny's part. And on the other side of the fence, if you dislike Will, Sonny should tell Will to go to hell. I guess I don't get the extremes.
I do feel a bit like Sonny will come off as very lamely blinded by lovesickness if he just goes 'okay', no big deal. I mean, I'm sorry, but that's just not realistic to me at all. Even if they don't break up, if there's not SOME kind of reaction beyond unfailing support, I'm going to do some really hard eyerolling, because PLEASE. I just can't see that. Even coming from nice, sweet, level-headed Sonny Kiriakis. The man is independent and has been taking care of himself for a long time. I just can't see him being in a relationship where he lets someone lie to him like that for as long as it's been going on and just says 'alright'. THAT, for me, would be out of character. Sonny is flawed too and I feel like he's the one people are more expecting to be perfect. Maybe I don't want him to be. Maybe that's part of why I feel like he needs to get mad or be hurt. No matter what Will is going through, or how bad we might feel for him, Sonny should not exist solely to be Will's support system every time he messes up. He's done that for long enough. I don't want him waiting in the wings on this show just to pull Will back up when he falls down. He needs to look out for himself too, because Will isn't doing that for him, and I'm not saying he should be. He's got important decisions to make outside of his relationship. But just because Sonny's got it more together doesn't mean that cancels out his values and needs. One of which, as he requested, was honesty and he's not getting it. They can work through that and I'm sure they will, but I don't see what's so terrible about some conflict before they get there. That's how lots of problems get worked out. Worse before it gets better.
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Post by sunshine0786 on Dec 28, 2012 23:46:03 GMT -5
Team 'good story' I can handle. What I'm still struggling with is understanding why being sympathetic to Will's predicament and sympathetic to Sonny's potential heartbreak can't be done at the same time. Why not? Isn't that supposed to be how a good story works? Maybe that just means it's failing. It just feels to me like if you're super sympathetic to Will, the general consensus is that Sonny can't possibly have a bad reaction to being lied to, that would be just cruel and unloving on Sonny's part. And on the other side of the fence, if you dislike Will, Sonny should tell Will to go to hell. I guess I don't get the extremes. I do feel a bit like Sonny will come off as very lamely blinded by lovesickness if he just goes 'okay', no big deal. I mean, I'm sorry, but that's just not realistic to me at all. Even if they don't break up, if there's not SOME kind of reaction beyond unfailing support, I'm going to do some really hard eyerolling, because PLEASE. I just can't see that. Even coming from nice, sweet, level-headed Sonny Kiriakis. The man is independent and has been taking care of himself for a long time. I just can't see him being in a relationship where he lets someone lie to him like that for as long as it's been going on and just says 'alright'. THAT, for me, would be out of character. Sonny is flawed too and I feel like he's the one people are more expecting to be perfect. Maybe I don't want him to be. Maybe that's part of why I feel like he needs to get mad or be hurt. No matter what Will is going through, or how bad we might feel for him, Sonny should not exist solely to be Will's support system every time he messes up. He's done that for long enough. I don't want him waiting in the wings on this show just to pull Will back up when he falls down. He needs to look out for himself too, because Will isn't doing that for him, and I'm not saying he should be. He's got important decisions to make outside of his relationship. But just because Sonny's got it more together doesn't mean that cancels out his values and needs. One of which, as he requested, was honesty and he's not getting it. They can work through that and I'm sure they will, but I don't see what's so terrible about some conflict before they get there. That's how lots of problems get worked out. Worse before it gets better. I agree. I totally understand Will's point of view, and I am sympathetic towards his situation. He's young, stupid and scared. He didn't have time to properly process the idea of being a father when Nick swooped in a took control. Now, when he's realizing the situation he's starting to question his decision. However, it doesn't mean that Sonny shouldn't be upset about it. He has every right to be angry with Will. Not only was Will keeping a big secret about his life, but he didn't feel comfortable coming to him with the situation. Will didn't trust Sonny enough to tell him the truth. Just like with the "I love you" scene, Sonny was upset that Will believed he would run away if he heard how Will felt. This is a similar situation, but with much larger ramifications. If a relationship is going to work a person needs be able to talk to their partner, no matter how difficult it is. I think this is what will hurt Sonny the most. Gabby being pregnant he could have gotten over much more easily, and maybe even helped Will through it, but the fact that Will didn't feel like he could talk to Sonny about it (and I think he's just using Gabby's "don't tell Sonny" as an excuse) is what the more significant problem is. If there is no major blowout between Sonny and Will over this I'll be disappointed. Not necessarily a breakup, but a real fight. Hopefully it will end in a way that teaches Will to communicate with Sonny. He'll learn from this and in the end they'll have a stronger relationship.
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Post by WillNSonny on Dec 28, 2012 23:51:15 GMT -5
Team 'good story' I can handle. What I'm still struggling with is understanding why being sympathetic to Will's predicament and sympathetic to Sonny's potential heartbreak can't be done at the same time. Why not? Isn't that supposed to be how a good story works? Maybe that just means it's failing. It just feels to me like if you're super sympathetic to Will, the general consensus is that Sonny can't possibly have a bad reaction to being lied to, that would be just cruel and unloving on Sonny's part. And on the other side of the fence, if you dislike Will, Sonny should tell Will to go to hell. I guess I don't get the extremes. I do feel a bit like Sonny will come off as very lamely blinded by lovesickness if he just goes 'okay', no big deal. I mean, I'm sorry, but that's just not realistic to me at all. Even if they don't break up, if there's not SOME kind of reaction beyond unfailing support, I'm going to do some really hard eyerolling, because PLEASE. I just can't see that. Even coming from nice, sweet, level-headed Sonny Kiriakis. The man is independent and has been taking care of himself for a long time. I just can't see him being in a relationship where he lets someone lie to him like that for as long as it's been going on and just says 'alright'. THAT, for me, would be out of character. Sonny is flawed too and I feel like he's the one people are more expecting to be perfect. Maybe I don't want him to be. Maybe that's part of why I feel like he needs to get mad or be hurt. No matter what Will is going through, or how bad we might feel for him, Sonny should not exist solely to be Will's support system every time he messes up. He's done that for long enough. I don't want him waiting in the wings on this show just to pull Will back up when he falls down. He needs to look out for himself too, because Will isn't doing that for him, and I'm not saying he should be. He's got important decisions to make outside of his relationship. But just because Sonny's got it more together doesn't mean that cancels out his values and needs. One of which, as he requested, was honesty and he's not getting it. They can work through that and I'm sure they will, but I don't see what's so terrible about some conflict before they get there. That's how lots of problems get worked out. Worse before it gets better. I don't understand it either.
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Post by samrik on Dec 29, 2012 0:24:00 GMT -5
The entire conversations over here regarding Sonny keeping his cool once the truth is revealed because he is deemed to be "perfect" just reminds me of Scotty and Kevin of Brothers and Sisters. Scotty was deemed to be this "perfect guy" but amidst all this of everyone deeming him to be the perfect guy who will stand by everything no matter what goes on forgot about the fact that he has feelings and emotions.
Sonny is human and no human is perfect. Before he kicked off his relationship with Will, he cleared mentioned that honesty is the best way and no matter how much the truth hurts its always better to be open. Post their relationship, he clearly mentioned to Will that they will not keep anymore further secrets from each other but unfortunately both of them are hiding Gabi's truth from each other.
Once the entire truth of Gabi is disclosed (baby+Melanie), I would like to see both Will and Sonny to be at loggerheads for a while. Sonny should be mad because Will did not say that the baby is his and Will will be angry because Sonny hid what he knew about Gabi. If Will knew what Gabi is capable of then I'm sure Will would have come clean long before. Anyways, temporary distance would be good for them and I guess will make them stronger as they will eventually understand what they mean to each other.
I guess in order to have a strong relationship sometimes having a partial break is important. It makes the people in the relationship understand how much they value each other. Usually, in a relationship we take our partner for granted and it is only after being separated from them for a while do we realize how much they mean t us.
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Post by amigazo722 on Dec 29, 2012 0:29:10 GMT -5
Meaghan although i can sympathize with many of your arguments, in the end i disagree with your conclusion. I would not roll my eyes if Sonny showed compassion to Will's plight. I don't think it will be that easy, but i wouldn't mind if it was. My reasoning is simple. Love should be more selfless than selfish. Sonny's concern for Will's well being should overide his own hurt. People who love each other have to do this all of the time. I actually thought Sonny had more reason to be pissed at Will when Will asked him if he had been with Brian. I would also like to say that I am for team good story, but it would be a lie. I am only watching this because i love WilSon. I am enjoying the story such as it is, very soapy. I don't think i would be watching if were a straight couple or even another gay couple. I have tried watching stendan etc and as Sonny says they just don't feel the same connection that i feel for WilSon.
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Post by samrik on Dec 29, 2012 1:06:35 GMT -5
I am only watching this because i love WilSon. I am enjoying the story such as it is, very soapy. I don't think i would be watching if were a straight couple or even another gay couple. I have tried watching stendan etc and as Sonny says they just don't feel the same connection that i feel for WilSon. I have to agree on this. With WilSon you feel connected. It's the similar connection I felt when I started watching the McDean storyline. Both Chandler and Freddie has made WilSon so lovable that you just can't help falling in love with WilSon.
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Post by meaghan on Dec 29, 2012 1:15:32 GMT -5
Meaghan although i can sympathize with many of your arguments, in the end i disagree with your conclusion. I would not roll my eyes if Sonny showed compassion to Will's plight. I don't think it will be that easy, but i wouldn't mind if it was. My reasoning is simple. Love should be more selfless than selfish. Sonny's concern for Will's well being should overide his own hurt. People who love each other have to do this all of the time. I actually thought Sonny had more reason to be pissed at Will when Will asked him if he had been with Brian. I would also like to say that I am for team good story, but it would be a lie. I am only watching this because i love WilSon. I am enjoying the story such as it is, very soapy. I don't think i would be watching if were a straight couple or even another gay couple. I have tried watching stendan etc and as Sonny says they just don't feel the same connection that i feel for WilSon. I mostly agree with you as well, but will add something to clarify, because I see a difference. I think Sonny will be plenty sympathetic, but perhaps not in all ways. I think he'll understand the difficulties Will is going through, and I can certainly see Sonny wanting to help Will with his decision about the kid, or support him through getting custody, for the very reason you mentioned - Sonny loves Will, both romantically, and I also think they had a sort of friendship love before they got together. However, separate from that, I don't think it's selfish of Sonny at all to be hurt by being lied to. So for Sonny to step away and say I understand what you're going through and I want to help you, but maybe for now, as a friend, not a lover. Will could have been going through all those same things Sonny will be sympathetic to, but it did not have to include him keeping Sonny in the dark. Will's motives are twofold: originally, although he said he was going to tell anyway, Will was worried specifically about telling Sonny because he thought their relationship would end. Second, he wants what is best for the child. Somewhere in there, Nick and Gabi have somehow muddled the two together. I don't know if they're trying to say that Sonny certainly wouldn't allow this and would ruin it, but if Sonny were to keep Will's secret as well, I fail to see how telling Sonny would hurt the kid. That's some messed up logic and why I think Sonny has a right to be upset. Because now we're back to Will just not telling because he thinks Sonny will dump him, or just because Gabi and Nick say so. Which is super lame because yet again, I fail to see how Nick and Gabi's wishes are more important than his own, or how Nick and Gabi's relationship is any more legitimate than he and Sonny's. If anything, he and Sonny have a better claim in that department since they've at least known each other for over a year and a half. My point here is to stress that Sonny could have easily been upset for two reasons, but I think he'll only be upset for one, which could've been avoided. He could be upset for Will's mistake in the first place, but I don't think that's what's going to bother him. I think it's going to bother him that from his perspective, they're in a secure, honest, open relationship and they're super close. Yet Will has this massive secret and other side of things and when he's been asked over and over again, he's been lied to. I can't really see Sonny being all that okay with that, especially when/if he hears why. What can Will really say in defense of himself? Nick and Gabi told me not to? It's better for my kid because...? It's better for me to be hurting by myself and not tell you why because...?
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Post by Trish on Dec 29, 2012 1:26:30 GMT -5
I am only watching this because i love WilSon. I am enjoying the story such as it is, very soapy. I don't think i would be watching if were a straight couple or even another gay couple. I have tried watching stendan etc and as Sonny says they just don't feel the same connection that i feel for WilSon. I have to agree on this. With WilSon you feel connected. It's the similar connection I felt when I started watching the McDean storyline. Both Chandler and Freddie has made WilSon so lovable that you just can't help falling in love with WilSon. I'm with you two. I'm for team WilSon and although the story might not be the best, when they are together, they make it seem right. I think that's why I find it hard wanting them to break up. Should Sonny be hurt and mad, of course he should be, but I've said before,it all kind of depends on how he finds out. I know that their history isn't as long, but I've compared it to when Luca/Sami got together before. Lucas got mad at Sami over and over again, because she always disappointed him, but when it finally came down to them getting married, in spite of her once again keeping secrets from him, he stood by her. Yes Will is lying to Sonny and Sonny has wanted him to tell him the truth and be honest, but Sonny knows that something is wrong. Will is having nightmares and Adrienne could tell that something isn't right. To that degree, finding out what it is, he will first have a light bulb moment and understand everything. He might even walk away, but after thinking through everything that has happened during the whole incident, he will see that it wasn't all Will. He loves Will and Will loves him and if Will was acting like Gabi/Nick have been about the situation, he might truly feel betrayed, but he hasn't. Will's hurt has to play a big part in how Sonny reacts, along with the things that he knows about Nabi. His mother will tell him to stay by the person that he loves and to not let the people that are hurting him do so. I might be wrong, but I think that if this is the way that it goes, that I won't feel that Sonny is a whimp or giving in too easily, because I don't think it will be easy for him. Will is expected Sonny to walk away and the idea that it won't will have a bigger impact on him, then if he does. But who knows. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe WilSon will be the ones that are constantly getting back together after Will messes up. I don't really want that. I don't want Will to be his mother. He's lied, but he's felt bad for it and now wants to fix it. I think he has more Lucas in him that people give him credit for. As Lucas said, he doesn't like himself when he lies and I think that Will is getting to that point. The look on his face as Sonny walked off to take his shower, kind of said that.
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Post by pru on Dec 29, 2012 5:00:34 GMT -5
I do not think Sonny walking away would necessarily mean he's 'licking his wounds.' How many times does Sonny have to say he wants a relationship that's honest and without lies? How many times does he have to think he 'figured it out' and have Will lie by agreeing with him? After Sonny finds out, Will does not need a warning that if he does it again, it's over. That implies he did not know he shouldn't have done it the first time, but he does know that. I'm not angry with him anymore, just frustrated he is letting Nick and Gabi treat him so terribly and not doing what he has wanted to do all along almost - tell Sonny. Just DO IT. It really is not just Gabi and Nick's decision and as he touches on Monday, it isn't healthy or fair for him to have absolutely no one to talk to about it. But just because I can sympathize with him, doesn't mean Sonny shouldn't be allowed to be sad or hurt that his boyfriend felt he couldn't trust him enough or trust their relationship enough to endure this. And Will wouldn't be proving himself right if Sonny does leave him. He'd be proving Sonny right all along. Honest relationship is what Sonny wanted and if that's not also something Will wants or values (I think he does and is in the midst of figuring that out) then such a basic difference is always going to be a problem for these two. Exactly, meaghan. That's why I know when Sonny does end things between them, no matter how temporary, he will let Will know it's NOT because Gabi is pregnant with his child, but because he lied, and lied, and LIED to him when there really was no cause for it. Also the fact Will has no one to talk to about this is his OWN FAULT! Because in restrospect, he has a few people, starting with Sonny, he could talk to he just being a wimp about things and letting the manipulation by dumb and dumber continue.
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Post by pru on Dec 29, 2012 5:08:19 GMT -5
I'm Team Will because I think what he is going through is horrible and I wouldn't wish it on anyone and I think what Gabi and Nick have done in the past to get their way and what they are doing now is inhumane and I want Gabi and Nick to pay. I'm team "good story" and we are not getting one. I'm tired of hearing about Gabi and Nick. Will caused this entire issue by not stepping up and being a man about the situation. This current situation and what's coming next with people find out the truth and his and Sonny's relationship, is all his fault and only his fault. Speak the damn truth, md! I'm SO on Team good story and we aren't getting one. And I'm beyond annoyed and pissed off everyday this nonsense drags on. I hate having my intelligence insulted and the writers need their collective asses kicked to actually think anyone is buying this story. I hate the way Will is being portrayed. He is not a victim in all of this. He is ALLOWING this to happen to him so he gets no sympathy from me. He could easily stop it at anytime but chooses not to.
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