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Post by Pedris2 on Dec 29, 2012 5:39:04 GMT -5
I agree with the opinion that it is all the fault of Will. Nobody forced him to lie, he succumbed to pressure and obeyed it, it is bad. Another thing, Will change his opinions very quickly, so soon as he thinks that they decided wrong, and in a moment he was talking about the opposite, he doesn't know what he wants! After Monday's episode, I feel that the truth could theoretically remain as secret any longer. Sonny tells Adrienne that he hasn't doubts about Will, because he loves him. I think when the truth comes out, sooner or later, so I hope that Sonny reveals, how Will greatly disappointed him. But the truth will affect many more people than just Will and Sonny, there's Lucas, Sami, Kate and others who will probably also disappointed that Will lied to them. But it all depends what form the truth comes out.
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Post by samrik on Dec 29, 2012 6:07:53 GMT -5
My point here is to stress that Sonny could have easily been upset for two reasons, but I think he'll only be upset for one, which could've been avoided. He could be upset for Will's mistake in the first place, but I don't think that's what's going to bother him. I think it's going to bother him that from his perspective, they're in a secure, honest, open relationship and they're super close. Yet Will has this massive secret and other side of things and when he's been asked over and over again, he's been lied to. I can't really see Sonny being all that okay with that, especially when/if he hears why. What can Will really say in defense of himself? Nick and Gabi told me not to? It's better for my kid because...? It's better for me to be hurting by myself and not tell you why because...? Time and again Sonny has specifically mentioned to Will that there will be no secret and lies in their relationship. But nonetheless, Will is continuing to lie to Sonny about his baby. Will had a great opportunity of coming clean when Sonny thought he figured what Will was hiding- the abortion. If Will could have mustered up the courage to tell him then things would have been really smooth. And yes, you are absolutely right that after the truth is revealed I guess if Sonny does get angry at Will, it will not be because of his relationship with Gabi and their baby but because of the FACT that Will hid this from him. Sonny is mature and he will definitely understand why Will slept with Gabi in the first place because he has been with Will throughout his entire coming out process. I won't blame Sonny for being hurt and angry at Will for lying and keeping this a secret. Will deserves Sonny's resentment because he has broken Sonny's faith in him.
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Post by samrik on Dec 29, 2012 6:16:57 GMT -5
I have to agree on this. With WilSon you feel connected. It's the similar connection I felt when I started watching the McDean storyline. Both Chandler and Freddie has made WilSon so lovable that you just can't help falling in love with WilSon. I'm with you two. I'm for team WilSon and although the story might not be the best, when they are together, they make it seem right. I think that's why I find it hard wanting them to break up. Should Sonny be hurt and mad, of course he should be, but I've said before,it all kind of depends on how he finds out. I know that their history isn't as long, but I've compared it to when Luca/Sami got together before. Lucas got mad at Sami over and over again, because she always disappointed him, but when it finally came down to them getting married, in spite of her once again keeping secrets from him, he stood by her. Yes Will is lying to Sonny and Sonny has wanted him to tell him the truth and be honest, but Sonny knows that something is wrong. Will is having nightmares and Adrienne could tell that something isn't right. To that degree, finding out what it is, he will first have a light bulb moment and understand everything. He might even walk away, but after thinking through everything that has happened during the whole incident, he will see that it wasn't all Will. He loves Will and Will loves him and if Will was acting like Gabi/Nick have been about the situation, he might truly feel betrayed, but he hasn't. Will's hurt has to play a big part in how Sonny reacts, along with the things that he knows about Nabi. His mother will tell him to stay by the person that he loves and to not let the people that are hurting him do so. I might be wrong, but I think that if this is the way that it goes, that I won't feel that Sonny is a whimp or giving in too easily, because I don't think it will be easy for him. Will is expected Sonny to walk away and the idea that it won't will have a bigger impact on him, then if he does. But who knows. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe WilSon will be the ones that are constantly getting back together after Will messes up. I don't really want that. I don't want Will to be his mother. He's lied, but he's felt bad for it and now wants to fix it. I think he has more Lucas in him that people give him credit for. As Lucas said, he doesn't like himself when he lies and I think that Will is getting to that point. The look on his face as Sonny walked off to take his shower, kind of said that. As long as WilSon comes out of this entire fiasco as one I for one have no problem with whatever so happens in this baby drama. I just want this entire baby fiasco to come to an end and WilSon to triumph as soul mates. I recently started watching DOOL because of WilSon and from their storyline I understand that none of the characters on DOOL (apart from Bo and Hope) have had a good, sustainable relationship. I just wish WilSon end up like Bo and Hope dealing with the issues of strong gay couples.
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Post by WillNSonny on Dec 29, 2012 8:12:08 GMT -5
Based on the new spoilers it doesn't even sound like we see Will and Sonny together on New Years. It seems like Sonny is busy with Gabi and same think with Nick and Will. We may not even see Sonny and Will until Friday the 11 for the wedding when they are both there together .
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Post by Pedris2 on Dec 29, 2012 8:24:21 GMT -5
DaysCafe.com: "No one suspects that Gabi and Nick's wedding will all go to hell despite the planning. Stay tuned...!" LOL
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Post by Pedris2 on Dec 29, 2012 8:27:25 GMT -5
Based on the new spoilers it doesn't even sound like we see Will and Sonny together on New Years. It seems like Sonny is busy with Gabi and same think with Nick and Will. We may not even see Sonny and Will until Friday the 11 for the wedding when they are both there together . No, Will said that he and Sonny going out on NYE, so they will be out of Salem, but we'll see. As for Will and Nick, Sonny and Gabi, so it has to be until on Wednesday.
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Post by Pedris2 on Dec 29, 2012 8:37:48 GMT -5
Corday about wedding Nick and Gabi: "Wedding begins, but someone interrupts. That's all I can say".
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Post by archeri on Dec 29, 2012 9:54:59 GMT -5
I really hope that it's Will that interrupts the wedding. Chad really hasn't been shown in the last few weeks doing anything against Gabi, so unless he starts back up I doubt that it's him. Plus, Will is going to have a hard time standing up for Nick right after arguing with him, right?
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Post by samrik on Dec 29, 2012 10:23:18 GMT -5
I really hope that it's Will that interrupts the wedding. Chad really hasn't been shown in the last few weeks doing anything against Gabi, so unless he starts back up I doubt that it's him. Plus, Will is going to have a hard time standing up for Nick right after arguing with him, right? For some reason I think its Sonny who interrupts the wedding. Maybe Sonny figures out the truth from either Father Eric or Cameron. It quite unlikely that Will will interrupt the wedding because if the wedding has already begun, Will will be right beside Nick as his "so-called best man". Moreover, from the spoilers it seems like even though Will stood up in front of Gabi, he later on probably tries to convince Kate to give the Nick the job. I just hope its entertaining and gives us more to divulge into Sonny. I'm worn out talking about Will all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2012 10:34:01 GMT -5
I think Chad will be involved some way in trying to stop the wedding. I forget where but I read a spoiler that was talking about how Chad wants to get back together with Abbi but a decision he makes in a couple weeks could threaten the relationship.
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Post by bailey on Dec 29, 2012 10:43:14 GMT -5
I think Chad will be involved some way in trying to stop the wedding. I forget where but I read a spoiler that was talking about how Chad wants to get back together with Abbi but a decision he makes in a couple weeks could threaten the relationship. It's going to be Chad.. he's not going to get over what Gabi did to him and Melanie, he was her friend and he trusted her, and to know what she did while he was the one that got his whole world ripped apart because he was obsessed with not protecting Mel with Andrew and absolutely NOTHING happened to Gabi that would get it anyone. I'm saying I think they're going to have him ruin the wedding and he's going to lose Abby and he's going to have some type of breakdown. And everyone's going to treat him like dirt.
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Post by dmagiclight on Dec 29, 2012 11:39:38 GMT -5
I get no one likes lie's and secret's but then were would the Drama comes from and Will is also dealing with low self esteem and even having a hot supporting boy friend does not help It has to come from with in you have to look how he was raised and all he has seen his Mother and Father people say that no excuse but It does affect you and let's not forget Sonny has secret as well maybe If Will knew what Gabi has done he would step up I am enjoying this story line better then I thought I would I think when all is said and done Will will step up but If Will told Sonny right away and he was fine with it were would the drama come from If there always Happy and nothing ever happen and they always understood and got along they would be really boring
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Post by md1347 on Dec 29, 2012 11:44:06 GMT -5
Maybe Chad knows the baby isn't Nick's but doesn't know it's Will's. All this talking about getting Gabi back needs to finally happen or he'll end up looking pathetic like EJ and Stefano.
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Post by Trish on Dec 29, 2012 11:58:29 GMT -5
What if when Eric asks if anyone objects, Sonny is starting to suspect something and he stands up. He can't say anything and he looks to Will to say something but he doesn't. Nick, being Nick, wouldn't appreciate his big day being interrupted by this gay and starts at Sonny, which Will won't like. Then finally he confesses.
That would cause Nick to go at Will and Sonny would come in. Could the gay crosses straight, be referring to punches being thrown?
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Post by HQ75 on Dec 29, 2012 13:24:00 GMT -5
I just think the entire "Poor Sonny" thing is exaggerated. Will isn't keeping something from Sonny that is ABOUT Sonny or even effect Sonny if he's not Will's boyfriend. In fact, it only effects Sonny now because Will is miserable and Sonny is worried about him. Sonny is not pregnant, he's not going to be a father, at the end of the day, it really isn't about HIM, it's about Will and his future which Sonny may or may not be a part of. "Breaking up" should be a lost resort and it should only be done once otherwise you're just acting like 12 year olds. Empathy and compassion are part of loving someone. So maybe we as viewers (some of us) who are not in love with Will shouldn't be expected to have empathy or compassion for Will but a man who claims to be in love with Will (really in love with him as Sonny says) is supposed to have empathy and compassion for the man he loves and the situation he is in. If Sonny makes the "secret" more important than the situation then is is no different than Sami. Something is happening TO Will, not TO Sonny. Sonny is being left out of the loop. That's pretty much it. I just really don't get what it is that is so terrible that folks think Will is doing to Sonny besides keeping a promise not to tell Sonny something about himself. Yes, they promised not to keep secrets from each other (which was a stupid thing to promise anyway) but they are BOTH keeping secrets. No matter what happens Will is going to have to deal with having fathered a child with Gabi (whether Sonny sticks around or not). I have always loved Sonny not because he's perfect (he's not, he has a horrible temper and he hates being wrong about anything) but, I've always loved Sonny because he is balanced most of the time and he is his own man, he doesn't let people push him around and he doesn't just do what others want him to do. He accepts himself, faults and all. He's a loyal friend and son/cousin/nephew. If he finds out what has been happening with Will and instead of helping him decides to go all "I can't believe you didn't tell me how dare you, WE ARE THROUGH!" then I say let him go because there is already one Sami, we don't need two. Maybe Chad and Abigail can help Will and Sonny can go hang out with Brian and Eddie In my heart of hearts, I hope not. I think "good story" is subjective. I'm enjoying this story just as it is so I don't have a problem with how it's playing out so far. \ What I feel is that the show has set up Sonny, Chad, Cameron and Abigail to be there for Will (with a side of mama bear Sami). To me that is the bigger picture. It's not really just about Sonny and Will, it's about how this pregnancy will ripple across so many relationships. I think you can be angry with or disappointing in your partner without breaking up with them or abandoning them. I think Will and Abigail will be just as angry with Chad and Sonny for not telling him about what Gabi did to Melanie and I hope they can forgive them and understand and again, show some compassion and be on their side. Also, what exactly is Will supposed to do if Sonny dumps him? Doesn't Will have bigger fish to fry than chasing after his boyfriend of two months? Do folks really feel that Sonny's hurt feelings are more important than what is going on with Will and Gabi and Nick? As someone pointed out, Will hasn't cheated on Sonny or stolen from him or done anything to him or their relationship.
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Post by lovethetree on Dec 29, 2012 13:24:08 GMT -5
That would cause Nick to go at Will and Sonny would come in. Could the gay crosses straight, be referring to punches being thrown? I would like that instead of the other stuff that could happen
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Post by Trish on Dec 29, 2012 13:48:47 GMT -5
@hq75. I kind of understand where you are coming from when he was going to let Nabi raise the baby. Sonny knowing would just put pressure on him to not do what he thought was right for the child.
Now that he's having second thought and wants to be part of the baby's life, Sonny should know. Just like Adrienne/Justin think of Will as part of their family and Kate/Lucas are thinking of Sonny as point of theirs, Will's child will be part of Sonny's family. Sonny will eventually get an ornament on the Horton tree and he and Will and the baby will be hanging their ornaments together.
If the baby becomes part of Will's life, it will be part of Sonny's life. As you said, Sonny loves each other deeply and he will love his child, so he should know about it.
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Post by Pedris2 on Dec 29, 2012 14:06:10 GMT -5
Update Spoilers DR of Week Jan 7th
Friday - Someone stirs up trouble at Nick and Gabi's wedding.
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Post by penguino on Dec 29, 2012 14:21:24 GMT -5
I just think the entire "Poor Sonny" thing is exaggerated. Will isn't keeping something from Sonny that is ABOUT Sonny or even effect Sonny if he's not Will's boyfriend. But he is Will's boyfriend and that probably won't change for the next couple of months. It means that their life is going to change drastically. It IS Sonny's business too.
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 29, 2012 15:01:10 GMT -5
I just think the entire "Poor Sonny" thing is exaggerated. Will isn't keeping something from Sonny that is ABOUT Sonny or even effect Sonny if he's not Will's boyfriend. In fact, it only effects Sonny now because Will is miserable and Sonny is worried about him. Sonny is not pregnant, he's not going to be a father, at the end of the day, it really isn't about HIM, it's about Will and his future which Sonny may or may not be a part of. "Breaking up" should be a lost resort and it should only be done once otherwise you're just acting like 12 year olds. Empathy and compassion are part of loving someone. So maybe we as viewers (some of us) who are not in love with Will shouldn't be expected to have empathy or compassion for Will but a man who claims to be in love with Will (really in love with him as Sonny says) is supposed to have empathy and compassion for the man he loves and the situation he is in. If Sonny makes the "secret" more important than the situation then is is no different than Sami. Something is happening TO Will, not TO Sonny. Sonny is being left out of the loop. That's pretty much it. I just really don't get what it is that is so terrible that folks think Will is doing to Sonny besides keeping a promise not to tell Sonny something about himself. Yes, they promised not to keep secrets from each other (which was a stupid thing to promise anyway) but they are BOTH keeping secrets. No matter what happens Will is going to have to deal with having fathered a child with Gabi (whether Sonny sticks around or not). I have always loved Sonny not because he's perfect (he's not, he has a horrible temper and he hates being wrong about anything) but, I've always loved Sonny because he is balanced most of the time and he is his own man, he doesn't let people push him around and he doesn't just do what others want him to do. He accepts himself, faults and all. He's a loyal friend and son/cousin/nephew. If he finds out what has been happening with Will and instead of helping him decides to go all "I can't believe you didn't tell me how dare you, WE ARE THROUGH!" then I say let him go because there is already one Sami, we don't need two. Maybe Chad and Abigail can help Will and Sonny can go hang out with Brian and Eddie In my heart of hearts, I hope not. I think "good story" is subjective. I'm enjoying this story just as it is so I don't have a problem with how it's playing out so far. \ What I feel is that the show has set up Sonny, Chad, Cameron and Abigail to be there for Will (with a side of mama bear Sami). To me that is the bigger picture. It's not really just about Sonny and Will, it's about how this pregnancy will ripple across so many relationships. I think you can be angry with or disappointing in your partner without breaking up with them or abandoning them. I think Will and Abigail will be just as angry with Chad and Sonny for not telling him about what Gabi did to Melanie and I hope they can forgive them and understand and again, show some compassion and be on their side. Also, what exactly is Will supposed to do if Sonny dumps him? Doesn't Will have bigger fish to fry than chasing after his boyfriend of two months? Do folks really feel that Sonny's hurt feelings are more important than what is going on with Will and Gabi and Nick? As someone pointed out, Will hasn't cheated on Sonny or stolen from him or done anything to him or their relationship. No, no and no, of course Will secret has a lot to do with Sonny, you don't hide that you are going to be a father from someone you are dating, at least you don't do that if you really care about that relationship And yes, for me Sonny's feelings are far more important thatn anything that happen to Will, because Will totally deserved what is happening to him, it's as simply as that. If he has some useful neurones in his brain he wouldn't be in this situation. And i don't care if Will doesn't chase after Sonny after they break up. Maybe he have a bigger fish to fry, but till now the kid doesn't seem to be so important to him, because he agree to lose all his rights, when there wasn't any real motive to do it. And no, the secrets are not at the same level at all. Will decided not to tell a secret that it is about himself, Sonny is not telling Chad's secret. If Will tells the truth absolutely nothing will happen, the worse it will be Sonny dumping his sorry ass, and i don't think that's reason enough to not tell the truth. In case Sonny tells the truth there will be a lot of legal problems, for Chad and for Gabi
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Post by Trish on Dec 29, 2012 15:10:10 GMT -5
Update Spoilers DR of Week Jan 7th Friday - Someone stirs up trouble at Nick and Gabi's wedding. Stirs up trouble, sounds like Chad. If he had to do with the baby, wouldn't they say something about the secret destorying Gabi's happiness? I think Wilson68m bought up Chad causing trouble and then being kicked out. There are seveal scenes of 3 people, which could be Will/Gabi/Nick. What if Gabi is worried about Chad and Nick is telling her not to and to just think about the baby and Sonny overhears them. From the show the other day, Chad seems to have gotten past Melanie a bit and there was a spoiler that he and Abby share a kiss on NYE. However, there's the spoiler that Abby might not like what he was going to do in a few weeks. I think we need to know what it is that gets him going after Gabi again. However, the way they have Will going back and forth, with no reason, so I could see Chad changing his tune just as easily I guess.
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Post by WillNSonny on Dec 29, 2012 16:13:46 GMT -5
Still waiting for a spoiler that tells me Sonny will have a key role in whatever happens .
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Post by Trish on Dec 29, 2012 16:30:02 GMT -5
Still waiting for a spoiler that tells me Sonny will have a key role in whatever happens . I'm thinking they will keep that underwraps. We haven't really had any Chad spoilers either, except that he's into Abby again. They have been doing a pretty good job so far, keeping what's going to happen at the wedding quiet. We know there's going to be something, but we have no clue what. All the attention has been on other people. There hasn't even been any real talk about Nabi. They should be excited about the wedding. Now that I think about it, I guess Sami/Abby don't care enough to give Gabi a shower either. There's no mention of that or Nick's job situation. There are a lot of things that seem to be missing so I wouldn't worry about it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2012 16:32:41 GMT -5
I just think the entire "Poor Sonny" thing is exaggerated. Will isn't keeping something from Sonny that is ABOUT Sonny or even effect Sonny if he's not Will's boyfriend. But he is Will's boyfriend and that probably won't change for the next couple of months. It means that their life is going to change drastically. It IS Sonny's business too. Their lives only change drastically if Will is going to be apart of the child's life. And at this point we still don't know if that's happening or not.
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Post by Trish on Dec 29, 2012 16:36:42 GMT -5
But he is Will's boyfriend and that probably won't change for the next couple of months. It means that their life is going to change drastically. It IS Sonny's business too. Their lives only change drastically if Will is going to be apart of the child's life. And at this point we still don't know if that's happening or not. It does seem to be what Will wants and it like him being afraid to tell Sonny that he loved him. It's too soon to bring up a baby and he's scared to tell Sonny that's what he wants, especially since Sonny says he doesn't want children yet, that's why he's torn. He's at the point when he needs to tell Sonny and Gabi is blocking it, because she knows that Sonny loves Will and she doesn't want to share the baby with them. She wants her happy family without the guy that didn't want her around. I'm glad that Nick can't go anywhere, because I could see Gabi trying to convince him to move.
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