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Post by dalphine on Jun 2, 2015 23:14:56 GMT -5
I haven't watched today's scenes yet, so I may have more to say after I do. I've said before that Sonny isn't perfect. He's made mistakes. But I think the show has basically driven Will off a cliff. Unfortunately, the development to get to this point has been so forced and contrived that it really strains credulity. I think if the show really wanted me to have much sympathy for Will in this "triangle" then they needed to do a much better job at developing and balancing the actions of Will and Sonny. As for the Sonny/Paul kiss, go back and watch the scene again. Paul instigated the kiss and Sonny pulled away first ... albeit after a moment . In my opinion that's a much different thing than Will going to bed with Paul. Sonny was wrong in marrying Will when he was still in love with Paul. Why? That's a serious question because I don't get it. Sonny and Paul didn't work out, so Sonny moved on. Stuff like that happens all the time. I don't see anything wrong with Sonny marrying Will when he did. It took a long time for them to get married; it's not like it happened overnight. Well, it's not like Sonny has ever forced Will to do anything in that regard. Will chose his own path; Sonny didn't choose it for him. Yes, Sonny did kinda a force Will into marriage in my opinion. No, he didn't hold a gun to his head, but there are other ways to get people to do things.
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Post by meaghan on Jun 2, 2015 23:48:03 GMT -5
I haven't watched today's scenes yet, so I may have more to say after I do. I've said before that Sonny isn't perfect. He's made mistakes. But I think the show has basically driven Will off a cliff. Unfortunately, the development to get to this point has been so forced and contrived that it really strains credulity. I think if the show really wanted me to have much sympathy for Will in this "triangle" then they needed to do a much better job at developing and balancing the actions of Will and Sonny. As for the Sonny/Paul kiss, go back and watch the scene again. Paul instigated the kiss and Sonny pulled away first ... albeit after a moment . In my opinion that's a much different thing than Will going to bed with Paul. Why? That's a serious question because I don't get it. Sonny and Paul didn't work out, so Sonny moved on. Stuff like that happens all the time. I don't see anything wrong with Sonny marrying Will when he did. It took a long time for them to get married; it's not like it happened overnight. Well, it's not like Sonny has ever forced Will to do anything in that regard. Will chose his own path; Sonny didn't choose it for him. Yes, Sonny did kinda a force Will into marriage in my opinion. No, he didn't hold a gun to his head, but there are other ways to get people to do things. What exactly is the "other way" Sonny got Will to marry him? He didn't threaten to leave, he didn't give Will any kind of ultimatum. Also, Will ended up asking Sonny in the end, not the other way around. Will told Sonny no and then changed his mind, and proposed to Sonny later. If he didn't want to marry Sonny, all he had to do was stick with his "no" answer.
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Post by dalphine on Jun 3, 2015 15:38:35 GMT -5
Yes, Sonny did kinda a force Will into marriage in my opinion. No, he didn't hold a gun to his head, but there are other ways to get people to do things. What exactly is the "other way" Sonny got Will to marry him? He didn't threaten to leave, he didn't give Will any kind of ultimatum. Also, Will ended up asking Sonny in the end, not the other way around. Will told Sonny no and then changed his mind, and proposed to Sonny later. If he didn't want to marry Sonny, all he had to do was stick with his "no" answer. The way I mean is that Sonny offer Will something that he wasn't familiar with and Will was afraid he might not get another chance. To Will Sonny gave him the love of his life speech which he should have told Will to live a little first and then if he feels the same afterward then come back to him and they would get married then. Maybe I'm not wording it right for people to get what I'm trying to say. I just think Will should have had other experience and then he might not have cheated with Paul. I'm not talking about whoring around either.
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Post by meaghan on Jun 3, 2015 23:44:15 GMT -5
What exactly is the "other way" Sonny got Will to marry him? He didn't threaten to leave, he didn't give Will any kind of ultimatum. Also, Will ended up asking Sonny in the end, not the other way around. Will told Sonny no and then changed his mind, and proposed to Sonny later. If he didn't want to marry Sonny, all he had to do was stick with his "no" answer. The way I mean is that Sonny offer Will something that he wasn't familiar with and Will was afraid he might not get another chance. To Will Sonny gave him the love of his life speech which he should have told Will to live a little first and then if he feels the same afterward then come back to him and they would get married then. Maybe I'm not wording it right for people to get what I'm trying to say. I just think Will should have had other experience and then he might not have cheated with Paul. I'm not talking about whoring around either. I understand now that you don't mean literally forced, and that it might have been good for Will to experience more life before getting married. I don't disagree. But still, that's not Sonny's call in the slightest. It's not Sonny's place to tell Will how to live his life. Nor is Will his responsibility. Will is an adult and his own person, capable of making his own decisions. Sonny should not be making them for him. If at any point, Sonny had told Will they should separate and "live life", maybe see other people, it would've devastated them both. They were happy together when they decided to get married. Sonny would've been sending Will out into the world with a broken heart. I've seen people say Sonny is too controlling of Will. For me, a scenario in which Sonny made Will leave him would be the ultimate example of that. He'd be trying to make Will's life decisions for him, which isn't okay. Sonny's role in Will's life should be his equal, his lover, not his caretaker or guardian. That discredits Will so much, as if he cannot be trusted to take care of himself without Sonny deciding what's best for him. This is the whole point of asking someone to marry you. You're not telling them. They can say no. Will did, once. No one was there to advise Sonny against proposing to Paul. Sonny had to live that mistake himself. He didn't have a "Sonny" by his side to tell him not to tie himself down so fast. Will needs to live his own mistakes as well. He cannot expect to always have someone around to prevent him from messing up.
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Post by Zathras on Jun 10, 2015 20:06:29 GMT -5
Thanks, mrfixit! This story has been stuck in a rut for far too long. I don't know why the show continues to drag this out. Will still doesn't listen. Sonny keeps dancing around Paul and his feelings. There hasn't been any substantive progress in months. So ... what exactly was the purpose in Sonny apparently chasing down Paul to talk to him. Hmm...
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Post by blake on Jun 13, 2015 10:32:24 GMT -5
Christopher Sean (Paul) did a Q&A on Facebook.He was asked if he would be around for the 50th and answered he was still filming.He was asked about the fact that Paul and Will had feeling for each other but then didn't after finding out their connection to Sonny and if Paul was just giving up on those feeling for Will.He answered that he couldn't answer that question and used the wink smiley.I'm telling you right now if Days puts Paul and Will together after Sonny leaves.I'm DONE WITH DAYS I'm sorry if I sound like a baby but these two together would just be a slap in the face.To all the Sonny and Will fans and even the Sonny and Paul fans.Please God let them recast Sonny or get Freddie on a recurring contract.
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Post by Zathras on Jun 16, 2015 20:09:59 GMT -5
Thanks, mrfixit!
I must admit I loved Justin going toe-to-toe with Kate like that. Even though I don't like the way either of them are dealing with Will & Sonny right now. Those two have an interesting adversarial relationship.
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Post by meaghan on Jun 17, 2015 17:49:56 GMT -5
Christopher Sean (Paul) did a Q&A on Facebook.He was asked if he would be around for the 50th and answered he was still filming.He was asked about the fact that Paul and Will had feeling for each other but then didn't after finding out their connection to Sonny and if Paul was just giving up on those feeling for Will.He answered that he couldn't answer that question and used the wink smiley.I'm telling you right now if Days puts Paul and Will together after Sonny leaves.I'm DONE WITH DAYS I'm sorry if I sound like a baby but these two together would just be a slap in the face.To all the Sonny and Will fans and even the Sonny and Paul fans.Please God let them recast Sonny or get Freddie on a recurring contract. I agree, but my advice would be to get some ice ready for that slapped face, cause I feel pretty confident that's what's going to happen. I will be (pleasantly) surprised if I'm wrong.
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Post by blake on Jun 17, 2015 18:45:58 GMT -5
Christopher Sean (Paul) did a Q&A on Facebook.He was asked if he would be around for the 50th and answered he was still filming.He was asked about the fact that Paul and Will had feeling for each other but then didn't after finding out their connection to Sonny and if Paul was just giving up on those feeling for Will.He answered that he couldn't answer that question and used the wink smiley.I'm telling you right now if Days puts Paul and Will together after Sonny leaves.I'm DONE WITH DAYS I'm sorry if I sound like a baby but these two together would just be a slap in the face.To all the Sonny and Will fans and even the Sonny and Paul fans.Please God let them recast Sonny or get Freddie on a recurring contract. I agree, but my advice would be to get some ice ready for that slapped face, cause I feel pretty confident that's what's going to happen. I will be (pleasantly) surprised if I'm wrong. I know right?Got the ice ready (LOL).If that happens I mean what I say I'm DONE WITH DAYS!!!
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jun 17, 2015 19:07:52 GMT -5
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jun 17, 2015 19:08:21 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Jun 17, 2015 19:43:04 GMT -5
Thanks, mrfixit! Wait ... Will promised an article to Dr. Meyers? In exchange for ... fixing his marriage? That said: wow, they actually went to a therapy session. Apparently an unproductive one. But did Will really think one session was going to fix everything? I think it was Marlena who cautioned him about that. The guy just doesn't listen. It's a very ... Will view of the world .
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Post by Zathras on Jun 19, 2015 19:29:49 GMT -5
Thanks, mrfixit! About Will ... not gonna say it again Paul certainly keeps finding excuses to talk to Sonny, doesn't he?
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jun 19, 2015 20:36:36 GMT -5
New 06-19-15 Will & Sonny and Paul
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Post by blake on Jun 21, 2015 13:37:49 GMT -5
I'm going to have to vent here,and get something off my chest here.I really am hating the idea of the Days writers putting together Paul and Will when Sonny leaves.I've said it before,and I will say it again this is a huge slap in the face to all the Sonny & Will fans and Paul & Sonny fans.I'm NOT saying anything bad against Guy Wilson (Will) or Christopher Sean (Paul) their playing the characters I can tell the difference between actor and character.I don't blame Freddie for wonting to move on with his life and career,cause living out in California is NOT cheap,and I don't blame him for finding a better job that pays better than Days.But when it was announced that Freddie was leaving Days should have right than and there been looking for another actor to step in and who knows they might be.I know that when Chandler said he was leaving Days said they wouldn't be recasting Will,but look what happen we now have Guy Wilson.So I'm still holding out a little bit of hope that Days might recast down the road.I bet there are hundreds of up and coming and talented actors that would love to play Sonny.I know it would be hard to get used to someone new to play Sonny but after awhile it could work.At first I didn't like Guy Wilson as Will,but that was only because I was so used to Chandler playing him,but Guy grew on me.Of course you would have to find the right actor that would have chemistry with both Guy and Christopher.But I believe it can be done.
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Post by mms575 on Jun 21, 2015 20:05:39 GMT -5
I'm going to have to vent here,and get something off my chest here.I really am hating the idea of the Days writers putting together Paul and Will when Sonny leaves.I've said it before,and I will say it again this is a huge slap in the face to all the Sonny & Will fans and Paul & Sonny fans.I'm NOT saying anything bad against Guy Wilson (Will) or Christopher Sean (Paul) their playing the characters I can tell the difference between actor and character.I don't blame Freddie for wonting to move on with his life and career,cause living out in California is NOT cheap,and I don't blame him for finding a better job that pays better than Days.But when it was announced that Freddie was leaving Days should have right than and there been looking for another actor to step in and who knows they might be.I know that when Chandler said he was leaving Days said they wouldn't be recasting Will,but look what happen we now have Guy Wilson.So I'm still holding out a little bit of hope that Days might recast down the road.I bet there are hundreds of up and coming and talented actors that would love to play Sonny.I know it would be hard to get used to someone new to play Sonny but after awhile it could work.At first I didn't like Guy Wilson as Will,but that was only because I was so used to Chandler playing him,but Guy grew on me.Of course you would have to find the right actor that would have chemistry with both Guy and Christopher.But I believe it can be done. Their could be a new character coming on the show so we don't if Will and Paul will be paired together. CS answered all the questions in that Facebook Q/A with the smile-face and he answered vaguely on all the questions about the show like how Paul and John relationship was. I hope they don't just put them together it would be lazy.
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Post by blake on Jun 21, 2015 20:16:18 GMT -5
I'm going to have to vent here,and get something off my chest here.I really am hating the idea of the Days writers putting together Paul and Will when Sonny leaves.I've said it before,and I will say it again this is a huge slap in the face to all the Sonny & Will fans and Paul & Sonny fans.I'm NOT saying anything bad against Guy Wilson (Will) or Christopher Sean (Paul) their playing the characters I can tell the difference between actor and character.I don't blame Freddie for wonting to move on with his life and career,cause living out in California is NOT cheap,and I don't blame him for finding a better job that pays better than Days.But when it was announced that Freddie was leaving Days should have right than and there been looking for another actor to step in and who knows they might be.I know that when Chandler said he was leaving Days said they wouldn't be recasting Will,but look what happen we now have Guy Wilson.So I'm still holding out a little bit of hope that Days might recast down the road.I bet there are hundreds of up and coming and talented actors that would love to play Sonny.I know it would be hard to get used to someone new to play Sonny but after awhile it could work.At first I didn't like Guy Wilson as Will,but that was only because I was so used to Chandler playing him,but Guy grew on me.Of course you would have to find the right actor that would have chemistry with both Guy and Christopher.But I believe it can be done. Their could be a new character coming on the show so we don't if Will and Paul will be paired together. CS answered all the questions in that Facebook Q/A with the smile-face and he answered vaguely on all the questions about the show like how Paul and John relationship was. I hope they don't just put them together it would be lazy. That's very true also Guy Wilson's contract comes up for renewal in August.
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Post by blake on Jun 24, 2015 9:37:36 GMT -5
I've been trying to figure out why in the world would Sonny want to leave Paul?Will I get cause he's cheated he's lied the list goes on and on,and I have a couple of theories.Let me stress that these are MY OWN PERSONAL THEORIES.Rumors are going around saying that Derrick is the reason why Sonny leaves town ok. 1.) Theory-I think Sonny will tell Will that he can't trust him anymore,and that their marriage is over on his way to tell Paul.Sonny see's Paul & Derrick making out,but I would prefer they be having sex! Broken hearted and feeling betrayed Sonny decides to leave town for awhile. 2.) Theory-Derrick trying to put the moves on Paul.Paul turning him down saying that he loves and is waiting on Sonny,Derrick gets angry.Sonny telling Will that their marriage is over on his way to tell Paul he runs into Derrick.Derrick telling Sonny that Paul knew that Sonny and Will were married all long,and just wanted to sleep with Will to break up their marriage.Angry and hurt by the two men he loves Sonny leaves town for awhile. Also I do think that Sonny will return down the road,but I don't believe he will be played by Freddie.I think it will be done by a new actor I personally think that Sonny will return next Spring/Summer of 16.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jun 26, 2015 17:26:06 GMT -5
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Post by dalphine on Jun 26, 2015 17:49:30 GMT -5
Will/Guy look so cute today.
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Post by Zathras on Jun 26, 2015 19:19:51 GMT -5
Uh, oh. Sonny's mad. Can we get some actual movement in their storyline now?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 16:32:18 GMT -5
I seem to have watched this show again on a good day, did I hear right? Did that Will lad just basically imply, very indignantly I might add, that asking someone to marry you while both single and unattached is worse than cheating while married? That literally made me laugh out loud.
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Post by Zathras on Jun 29, 2015 19:24:05 GMT -5
Really? I'll have to go back and watch to see that. Anyway ... so Will did cheat on Sonny when he was in LA. I was hoping not, but somehow I'm not at all surprised . Will's long-standing insecurity was on full display today, and I really wish the show would dig deeper. I don't think Sonny is perfect, and I do wish Sonny had reiterated that (for whatever good it might have done), but Will can't put his feelings of inadequacy on Sonny. That is a huge part of the problem in their marriage and they can never have a healthy relationship until Will gets over that. Will has to do that himself; Sonny can't help him. At the same time, I do wonder how much of Sonny's behavior really has been ... patronizing? ... over the last couple years. It wasn't clear to me today that Sonny listened too hard to the emotion behind Will's outburst. And what it meant about Will's state of mind. He's the one that wanted to dig into why their marriage is failing, after all. Hmm. Lastly, Days needs to do more scenes on their beach set . Thanks, mrfixit!
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Post by talula on Jun 30, 2015 3:41:37 GMT -5
I seem to have watched this show again on a good day, did I hear right? Did that Will lad just basically imply, very indignantly I might add, that asking someone to marry you while both single and unattached is worse than cheating while married? That literally made me laugh out loud. yeah it's so pathetic and outrageous what Will said, i can't even... , he is hopeless... they should just end their 'wonderful' marriage that turned in a very ugly and totally useless thing,this is unbearable to watch on other topic Guy and Chris are still filming and looks like not going anywhere anytime soon, recently they been added in list for Days 50th anniversary ,i'm glad they're staying on show but i'm still waiting for Sonny' recast to be announced in August or for a new gay character/s to arrive
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 30, 2015 4:43:38 GMT -5
Really? I'll have to go back and watch to see that. Anyway ... so Will did cheat on Sonny when he was in LA. I was hoping not, but somehow I'm not at all surprised . Will's long-standing insecurity was on full display today, and I really wish the show would dig deeper. I don't think Sonny is perfect, and I do wish Sonny had reiterated that (for whatever good it might have done), but Will can't put his feelings of inadequacy on Sonny. That is a huge part of the problem in their marriage and they can never have a healthy relationship until Will gets over that. Will has to do that himself; Sonny can't help him. At the same time, I do wonder how much of Sonny's behavior really has been ... patronizing? ... over the last couple years. It wasn't clear to me today that Sonny listened too hard to the emotion behind Will's outburst. And what it meant about Will's state of mind. He's the one that wanted to dig into why their marriage is failing, after all. Hmm. Lastly, Days needs to do more scenes on their beach set . Thanks, mrfixit! I don't see Sonny's behavior towards Will as being patronizing. I see his behavior as being incredibly understanding, loving, supporting and trusting, to the point that Will is using all of those traits as a negative thing about his husband, to deflect Will's behavior and actions. Also, for Will's state of mind, he still is finding ways and means to try and not accept that he's the one, who has imploded his marriage and given Sonny proof that he cannot be trusted. Will is still trying to minimize his lies and manipulation.. www.nbc.com/days-of-our-lives/episode-guide/season-50/monday-062915/12620
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