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Post by Pedris2 on Jun 30, 2015 6:57:38 GMT -5
I seem to have watched this show again on a good day, did I hear right? Did that Will lad just basically imply, very indignantly I might add, that asking someone to marry you while both single and unattached is worse than cheating while married? That literally made me laugh out loud. yeah it's so pathetic and outrageous what Will said, i can't even... , he is hopeless... they should just end their 'wonderful' marriage that turned in a very ugly and totally useless thing,this is unbearable to watch on other topic Guy and Chris are still filming and looks like not going anywhere anytime soon, recently they been added in list for Days 50th anniversary ,i'm glad they're staying on show but i'm still waiting for Sonny' recast to be announced in August or for a new gay character/s to arrive Yes, GW still filming, the question of how long, his contracts expire in August. However, Chris not filming a lot recently, he waiting, where they go with that character.
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Post by talula on Jun 30, 2015 7:58:24 GMT -5
yeah it's so pathetic and outrageous what Will said, i can't even... , he is hopeless... they should just end their 'wonderful' marriage that turned in a very ugly and totally useless thing,this is unbearable to watch on other topic Guy and Chris are still filming and looks like not going anywhere anytime soon, recently they been added in list for Days 50th anniversary ,i'm glad they're staying on show but i'm still waiting for Sonny' recast to be announced in August or for a new gay character/s to arrive Yes, GW still filming, the question of how long, his contracts expire in August. However, Chris not filming a lot recently, he waiting, where they go with that character. i don't know how much Chris is filming now, but he is not gone(yet),i agree they probably waiting if Guy prolongs his contract (which is very likely) and if Freddie agrees to return (which is very unlikely)so they can recast Sonny or bring new gay characters, i doubt Days gonna get rid of gays even after massive returns of veterans in coming September, they been praised so much, got Emmy and GLAAD awards, attracted a lot of attention and viewers for their gay plots it would really stupid move to cut gays off
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Post by blake on Jun 30, 2015 8:51:14 GMT -5
Yes, GW still filming, the question of how long, his contracts expire in August. However, Chris not filming a lot recently, he waiting, where they go with that character. i don't know how much Chris is filming now, but he is not gone(yet),i agree they probably waiting if Guy prolongs his contract (which is very likely) and if Freddie agrees to return (which is very unlikely)so they can recast Sonny or bring new gay characters, i doubt Days gonna get rid of gays even after massive returns of veterans in coming September, they been praised so much, got Emmy and GLAAD awards, attracted a lot of attention and viewers for their gay plots it would really stupid move to cut gays off I totally agree with you talula it would be very stupid to get rid of all the gay characters.I know that it was announced that in August new characters would be announced I'm hoping that within that announcement we get a new Sonny recast.Even though I would love to hear that Freddie was returning on a recurring contract I think that Freddie is done.What I fear the most is,will the gay characters be put on the backburner?I think with Paul I think they will focus on building his relationship up with John and Brady.With Will there have been rumors that Will will go into a deep depression and will loose custody of Arianna.
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Post by talula on Jun 30, 2015 9:23:36 GMT -5
i don't know how much Chris is filming now, but he is not gone(yet),i agree they probably waiting if Guy prolongs his contract (which is very likely) and if Freddie agrees to return (which is very unlikely)so they can recast Sonny or bring new gay characters, i doubt Days gonna get rid of gays even after massive returns of veterans in coming September, they been praised so much, got Emmy and GLAAD awards, attracted a lot of attention and viewers for their gay plots it would really stupid move to cut gays off I totally agree with you talula it would be very stupid to get rid of all the gay characters.I know that it was announced that in August new characters would be announced I'm hoping that within that announcement we get a new Sonny recast.Even though I would love to hear that Freddie was returning on a recurring contract I think that Freddie is done.What I fear the most is,will the gay characters be put on the backburner?I think with Paul I think they will focus on building his relationship up with John and Brady.With Will there have been rumors that Will will go into a deep depression and will loose custody of Arianna. well, i'm pretty sure they will be put on the backburner for awhile after Sonny left,especially with coming returns of vets,they need time for them, but as i know some vets come back only for a short period and will be gone in 2-3 months, only few been put on contract, and with future departures of Clyde,Serena,Xander,Aiden,Paige and very likely Daniel i doubt gays will be on the backburner for long time,especially if they plan recast Sonny or bring new gay character/s, we will see
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Post by blake on Jun 30, 2015 9:40:16 GMT -5
I totally agree with you talula it would be very stupid to get rid of all the gay characters.I know that it was announced that in August new characters would be announced I'm hoping that within that announcement we get a new Sonny recast.Even though I would love to hear that Freddie was returning on a recurring contract I think that Freddie is done.What I fear the most is,will the gay characters be put on the backburner?I think with Paul I think they will focus on building his relationship up with John and Brady.With Will there have been rumors that Will will go into a deep depression and will loose custody of Arianna. well, i'm pretty sure they will be put on the backburner for awhile after Sonny left,especially with coming returns of vets,they need time for them, but as i know some vets come back only for a short period and will be gone in 2-3 months, only few been put on contract, and with future departures of Clyde,Serena,Xander,Aiden,Paige and very likely Daniel i doubt gays will be on the backburner for long time,especially if they plan recast Sonny or bring new gay character/s, we will see Is Paige leaving?I knew the other characters were,but I didn't know Paige was.
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Post by talula on Jun 30, 2015 10:01:52 GMT -5
well, i'm pretty sure they will be put on the backburner for awhile after Sonny left,especially with coming returns of vets,they need time for them, but as i know some vets come back only for a short period and will be gone in 2-3 months, only few been put on contract, and with future departures of Clyde,Serena,Xander,Aiden,Paige and very likely Daniel i doubt gays will be on the backburner for long time,especially if they plan recast Sonny or bring new gay character/s, we will see Is Paige leaving?I knew the other characters were,but I didn't know Paige was. rumors said she already gone,i think there is no reason for her character to stay anyway
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Post by blake on Jun 30, 2015 10:27:02 GMT -5
Is Paige leaving?I knew the other characters were,but I didn't know Paige was. rumors said she already gone,i think there is no reason for her character to stay anyway I agree,and to be honest I never really cared for the character anyways.
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Post by blake on Jun 30, 2015 15:03:33 GMT -5
It has been confirmed that True O'Brien (Paige) has been let go.
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Post by meaghan on Jun 30, 2015 19:39:35 GMT -5
Warning, this might turn into an essay, lol.
I sort of agree with both Zathras and Difficult Diva. I personally have never viewed Sonny's behavior as patronizing. However, I understand that like Will, some people might view it that way.
For me, all I have to do is recall Will's coming out, and the way Sonny supportively, and without reproach, was there for Will during his coming out process. There was no pushing, no controlling, no criticism, and certainly no patronizing. Unless we go back and revise history, there was only steadfastness, sympathy, understanding, and care. Will said that about Sonny to John and Marlena himself right after he came out. That, for me, is the entire foundation for their love story. The fact that Sonny fell in love with Will during such a difficult time says to me that Sonny isn't concerned about Will's mistakes, or requires him to be perfect, he just wants (wanted?) Will, and has always wanted good things for Will. Period. Their relationship is not about some role Sonny is trying to fulfill, but about falling in love and wanting the best for, and to support that person, sometimes to a fault in Sonny's case, when he has gone too far (like getting Will that job at TruVista).
However. With that said, Sonny has to realize (and I think he's getting there... I hope) that he cannot be continually hurt by someone and just stand by and take it without comment for the rest of his life, either. At some point he's going to have to do what's best for himself and his own happiness, or he'll eventually be in no place mentally/emotionally to even offer support to Will anymore. This will eat away at him until he's no more secure in himself than Will is. Especially if he has to listen to Will turn his own insecurities around on Sonny and explain to him that all Will's mistakes were made (or just made worse) because Sonny is a terrible, judgmental, patronizing husband whose (apparent) ability to get away with all but murder he bitterly resents.
My personal opinion is that NO one should ever bear the burden of being responsible for someone else's sanity, or their actions. It should never be anyone's "job" to keep another person happy. But boy has Sonny tried. Again, sometimes way too hard, to the point he was actually doing damage. You can of course be sympathetic and supportive during difficult times, but having someone look you right in the face, simultaneously breaking your heart with confessions of infidelity and then telling you you're to blame for it, is too much to bear.
These two absolutely need to split up, it's just toxic. At least for a while.
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Post by jason47 on Jun 30, 2015 22:36:34 GMT -5
JUNE 2015 EPISODE RANKINGS & STATS: DAILY CAST CHART: Review each day's cast list from June 2015 at www.jason47.com/days/castcharts2015.html2015 Episode Rankings. Here's how many episodes each actor has appeared in this year (1/1/15-6/30/15), out of a total of 125 episodes. For the complete list, please visit www.jason47.com. Rank. Actor (Character) # of Episodes1. Shawn Christian (Daniel Jonas) 75 2. Guy Wilson (Will Horton) 73 3. Arianne Zucker (Nicole Walker) 71 4. Jen Lilley (Theresa Donovan) 66 *. Eric Martsolf (Brady Black) 66 *. Freddie Smith (Sonny Kiriakis) 66 7. Melissa Archer (Serena Mason) 65 *. Molly Burnett (Melanie Jonas) 65 9. Billy Flynn (Chad DiMera) 62 10. Kate Mansi (Abigail Deveraux) 61 *. Christopher Sean (Paul Narita) 61 June Episode Rankings. Here's how many episodes each actor has appeared in this month (6/1/15-6/30/15), out of a total of 20 episodes. For the complete list, please visit www.jason47.comRank. Actor (Character) # of Episodes1. Greg Vaughan (Eric Brady) 15 2. Paul Telfer (Xander Cook) 14 *. Arianne Zucker (Nicole Walker) 14 4. Melissa Archer (Serena Mason) 12 *. Shawn Christian (Daniel Jonas) 12 *. Billy Flynn (Chad DiMera) 12 7. Kate Mansi (Abigail Deveraux) 11 *. Eric Martsolf (Brady Black) 11 9. Robert Scott Wilson (Ben Weston) 10 10. Jen Lilley (Theresa Donovan) 9 *. Freddie Smith (Sonny Kiriakis) 9 SET TOTALS: June 2015Horton Town Square...14 Horton Town Square Private Area...14 Club TBD...13 Nurses' Station...12 Nicole's Office...11 Brady Pub (Booth only)...10 Kiriakis Mansion...10 DiMera Garden...8 Park...8 Horton Living Room...7 Serena's Hotel Room...7 Sonny & Will's Apartment...7 Basement Utility Room...6 Daniel's Apartment...6 DiMera Study...5 Theresa's Apartment...5 Hospital Waiting Area...4 Nicole's Hospital Room...4 Basement Corridor...3 Basement Crawl Space...3 Ben's Apartment...3 Eric's Hospital Room...3 Marlena's Office...3 Park/2nd Area...3 Warehouse...3 Abigail's Office...2 Chad's Bedroom (DiMera)...2 Larson Apartment...2 Paige's Dorm Room...2 Roman's Office...2 Tate's Hospital Room...2 Xander's Hotel Room...2 Aiden's Office...1 Basement Corridor # 2...1 Basement Corridor # 3...1 Daniel's Apartment (Elevator Area)...1 DiMera Grounds...1 Dr. Myers' Phone Limbo...1 Eric's Apartment (Corridor only)...1 Hope's Office...1 Hospital Exam Room...1 Hotel Lobby/Chicago...1 Jennifer's Office...1 Paul's Hotel Room...1 Sonny & Paul's Limbo...1 Theresa's Apartment (Elevator Area)...1 Theresa's Hospital Room...1 Woods...1 DIRECTORS & SCRIPT WRITERS:6/1/15: Grant A. Johnson & Richard Culliton 6/2/15: Albert Alarr & Richard Culliton 6/3/15: Steven Williford & Janet Iacobuzio 6/8/15: Steven Williford & David Cherrill 6/9/15: Grant A. Johnson & Melissa Salmons 6/10/15: Albert Alarr & Melissa Salmons 6/11/15: Grant A. Johnson & Richard Culliton 6/12/15: Albert Alarr & Richard Culliton 6/15/15: Steven Williford & Carolyn Culliton 6/16/15: Grant A. Johnson & Jeanne Marie Ford 6/17/15: Grant A. Johnson & David Cherrill 6/18/15: Steven Williford & David Cherrill 6/19/15: Albert Alarr & Melissa Salmons 6/22/15: Albert Alarr & Janet Iacobuzio 6/23/15: Steven Williford & Richard Culliton 6/24/15: Albert Alarr & Carolyn Culliton 6/25/15: Albert Alarr & Jeanne Marie Ford 6/26/15: Grant A. Johnson & Jeanne Marie Ford 6/29/15: Grant A. Johnson & Richard Culliton 6/30/15: Herb Stein & Carolyn Culliton www.jason47.com
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Post by Zathras on Jun 30, 2015 23:35:01 GMT -5
These two absolutely need to split up, it's just toxic. At least for a while. Yeah, that's become abundantly clear. It really is a shame what the show has done to their relationship. On the other hand ... I always hate when shows kill off one half of a couple when an actor leaves (as Freddie may), but if this is the alternative I'm not sure which I would really prefer.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 1, 2015 6:03:23 GMT -5
Warning, this might turn into an essay, lol. I sort of agree with both Zathras and Difficult Diva. I personally have never viewed Sonny's behavior as patronizing. However, I understand that like Will, some people might view it that way. For me, all I have to do is recall Will's coming out, and the way Sonny supportively, and without reproach, was there for Will during his coming out process. There was no pushing, no controlling, no criticism, and certainly no patronizing. Unless we go back and revise history, there was only steadfastness, sympathy, understanding, and care. Will said that about Sonny to John and Marlena himself right after he came out. That, for me, is the entire foundation for their love story. The fact that Sonny fell in love with Will during such a difficult time says to me that Sonny isn't concerned about Will's mistakes, or requires him to be perfect, he just wants (wanted?) Will, and has always wanted good things for Will. Period. Their relationship is not about some role Sonny is trying to fulfill, but about falling in love and wanting the best for, and to support that person, sometimes to a fault in Sonny's case, when he has gone too far (like getting Will that job at TruVista). However. With that said, Sonny has to realize (and I think he's getting there... I hope) that he cannot be continually hurt by someone and just stand by and take it without comment for the rest of his life, either. At some point he's going to have to do what's best for himself and his own happiness, or he'll eventually be in no place mentally/emotionally to even offer support to Will anymore. This will eat away at him until he's no more secure in himself than Will is. Especially if he has to listen to Will turn his own insecurities around on Sonny and explain to him that all Will's mistakes were made (or just made worse) because Sonny is a terrible, judgmental, patronizing husband whose (apparent) ability to get away with all but murder he bitterly resents.My personal opinion is that NO one should ever bear the burden of being responsible for someone else's sanity, or their actions. It should never be anyone's "job" to keep another person happy. But boy has Sonny tried. Again, sometimes way too hard, to the point he was actually doing damage. You can of course be sympathetic and supportive during difficult times, but having someone look you right in the face, simultaneously breaking your heart with confessions of infidelity and then telling you you're to blame for it, is too much to bear. These two absolutely need to split up, it's just toxic. At least for a while. Meagan, I agree with all on of the above.Especially about it not being Sonny's job to try and make Will happy. They're sharing their lives together, as a married couple, but at this point (and for a long time), they are both miserable. I just keep thinking back to when they got engaged. I thought that it was way too fast, too soon and too much for Will and Sonny to even think about getting married. I never thought that Will would implode his marriage, relationship and Sonny's trust in him in such a drastic way, but I think that his issues with self-esteem and self-worth, never diminished, even with his husband's support. Sadly, Will's issues continued to get worse and that's when he started to direct his issues against Sonny. It comes across to me, like Will resents that Sonny has all this love, support and need to want to be with him. Like Will clearly doesn't get why Sonny wants him, but he also doesn't want to let Sonny go. That's why he cannot let go over knowing that Sonny had asked Paul to marry him, when those two were a couple. Sonny had a life before he even knew the name and existence of Will Horton. I do have to say, that Adrienne was absolutely right, when she said that Will would hurt Sonny.
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Post by meaghan on Jul 1, 2015 23:01:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the stats, Jason!
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jul 4, 2015 5:15:24 GMT -5
So, in Friday's episode, Sonny says that it was his "agenda" to marry Will and that he's responsible for "everything that he ever did from the beginning with Will".
So, if Sonny's support, trust and love for Will, caused him to behave this way towards Sonny, wouldn't it make sense, for Sonny to let him go?
So that Will could possibly be able to do the things he needs and wants to explore, without having the pressure and guilt of continuing to hurt his spouse?
No, Sonny says that they should continue with therapy and maybe even see separate therapists, in order to help their marriage get through this horrible situation that Will (and supposedly Sonny) has put themselves in.
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Post by Zathras on Jul 6, 2015 19:58:38 GMT -5
Ugh. I just don't know. I've said before that I do think Sonny has done things wrong. But I don't think the timing of his marriage to Will was one of them. In a way, though, he has made a serious mistake and Friday was a perfect example of it. But not in the way that he thinks. Sonny is an enabler. By trying to take so much blame off of Will, he's enabling Will to continue to be a jerk. Does he somehow think he's figured out why Will is such a screw-up? That it's just because Will didn't go and fool around after he came out? While I agree that Will did miss out on that (whether that's good or bad is another question), I don't think that's even a major part of the reason Will behaves the way he does. And after putting forth that hypothesis, Sonny thinks the answer for Will is therapy?
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Post by mms575 on Jul 6, 2015 21:55:54 GMT -5
So once again Sonny is being written as Will prop can't have his own feelings it all about Will. It feels unrealistic that Sonny still wants to got to counseling didn't he say Will isn't ready for marriage. The counselor can't change that. Will is also immature he needs to grow up before he can be married. The fact that they need counseling after just the first year of marriage is a problem.
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Post by meaghan on Jul 8, 2015 1:04:55 GMT -5
Ugh. I just don't know. I've said before that I do think Sonny has done things wrong. But I don't think the timing of his marriage to Will was one of them. In a way, though, he has made a serious mistake and Friday was a perfect example of it. But not in the way that he thinks. Sonny is an enabler. By trying to take so much blame off of Will, he's enabling Will to continue to be a jerk. Does he somehow think he's figured out why Will is such a screw-up? That it's just because Will didn't go and fool around after he came out? While I agree that Will did miss out on that (whether that's good or bad is another question), I don't think that's even a major part of the reason Will behaves the way he does. And after putting forth that hypothesis, Sonny thinks the answer for Will is therapy? Zathras, I have been searching for that word - enabler - this whole time, and I didn't even know it! Gosh, I've wasted a lot of words during this storyline trying to explain myself, and that pretty much does it, lol. I agree with you completely. Especially because for me (and I think you were alluding to it as well) perhaps the cheating itself could be traced back to getting married so young, but all of Will's other behavior - the lies, the blackmail, the manipulation, the misdirected accusations, dodging responsibility for his actions, the disregard for other people's lives - was just horrid. There is something else going on there other than a lack of opportunity to have messed around with guys other than Sonny. Sonny should not have waved all of that off with this sudden revelation he thinks he had about their marriage. He didn't seem determined to hold Will responsible for any of it anymore. "I'm not mad, I don't blame you." Oh, Sonny. I think there are some who found Sonny's display on Friday's show romantic, because they view it as the return of "sweet, loving Sonny." But I just don't see Sonny's continued self-sacrifice that way anymore. He's done it too many times. All I see now is a horribly unhealthy and unbalanced relationship. Sonny gives and Will takes. It rarely, if ever, works the other way. It still does not even remotely give him an excuse for his behavior, but if anything, I think THAT'S the reason Will wasn't ready to get married - he just isn't mature enough to be an equally giving partner in a committed relationship.
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Post by Zathras on Jul 8, 2015 19:43:36 GMT -5
Thanks, mrfixit! Not even gonna say what I think about Will going to see Paul. And his arranging for Sonny to see Paul "moving on." I did enjoy Paul & Derrick's banter. So Stefano and Victor are working together? Kinda? Whoa.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jul 8, 2015 21:54:36 GMT -5
07-08-15 Will & Sonny and Paul
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Post by dmagiclight on Jul 9, 2015 14:54:05 GMT -5
I am A little confused as to why Sonny does not like Derrick I mean had not been for Derrick Sonny would not know about Paul And will,Now Sonny is not mad at Paul for sleeping with Will considering Paul did not know Will was married let alone married to Sonny,but Derrick had no Ideal either so why be mad at Derrick?
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Post by mms575 on Jul 9, 2015 16:52:55 GMT -5
I am A little confused as to why Sonny does not like Derrick I mean had not been for Derrick Sonny would not know about Paul And will,Now Sonny is not mad at Paul for sleeping with Will considering Paul did not know Will was married let alone married to Sonny,but Derrick had no Ideal either so why be mad at Derrick? They all should be mad at Derrick because they suspected that he was the source of the article outing Will and Paul. Today was just more of the same stuff we have seen for months I think this is what we have to look forward to until Sonny's departure.
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Post by Zathras on Jul 10, 2015 19:36:04 GMT -5
I didn't get the feeling that Sonny doesn't like Derrick. I guess I'm not sure why you say that. I wouldn't call them best friends, either. Just acquaintances. Ultimately Derrick was just the messenger; he didn't do anything wrong. Neither did Paul, for that matter.
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Post by blake on Jul 11, 2015 13:25:19 GMT -5
Me and a friend were having lunch yesterday and we were talking about Days cause were both fans of the Will/Sonny/Paul triangle and she asked me.Do I believe Sonny will ever be re-casted down the road?I thought about it for awhile be here is the answer I gave.I do believe that Sonny will be re-casted sooner or later,but I don't believe he will be played by Freddie.Sonny even though he's only been on the show 4 years in the small amount of time he was able to build up a fan base,and a lot of it has to do with Freddie's portrayal of him.Also Will and Sonny still have a huge fan following,so I'm hoping Days will still keep that into consideration.But I'm all in for a Sonny re-cast even though I would love for Freddie to still play him,but I'm willing to give a new actor a chance.
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Post by lexmoon on Jul 11, 2015 15:55:23 GMT -5
I didn't get the feeling that Sonny doesn't like Derrick. I guess I'm not sure why you say that. I wouldn't call them best friends, either. Just acquaintances. Ultimately Derrick was just the messenger; he didn't do anything wrong. Neither did Paul, for that matter. that's not quite true, Paul did something wrong , he was going to have sex with Will for a 2nd time, even he knew then Will was in a relationship. only Will stopped it.
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Post by dmagiclight on Jul 13, 2015 17:30:38 GMT -5
I didn't get the feeling that Sonny doesn't like Derrick. I guess I'm not sure why you say that. I wouldn't call them best friends, either. Just acquaintances. Ultimately Derrick was just the messenger; he didn't do anything wrong. Neither did Paul, for that matter. that's not quite true, Paul did something wrong , he was going to have sex with Will for a 2nd time, even he knew then Will was in a relationship. only Will stopped it. Thank you I know will is off the rails right now,It feels like the show wants us to believe that Paul is A saint ,he has not been as bad as will,right now but he has lied he said he would stay away from Sonny only to follow him around,he was as you pointed out did try to sleep with Will A second time after he knew Will was married.then came back to Salem to jokingly try to connect with his Father only to again pursue Sonny after Sonny told him he wanted to work things out with Will so ,y point Paul is not the Saint that everyone is trying to make him out to be plus would he even be out If his arm had healed like he wanted and could still play,he chose his career over Sonny once so I say you snooze you lose back off
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