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Post by woowoo1 on Jul 31, 2009 14:23:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry for all these paragraphs! Aah. I must sound awful. I just feel so disappointed and wanted to vent. I'll stop now. Please don't stop. You're speaking my mind perfectly!!
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Ailyne
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Post by Ailyne on Aug 1, 2009 15:39:13 GMT -5
ok John is gonna be on desperate housewives...im excited...but...does that mean Torchwood isnt gonna be making the 4th season soon...??
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Post by nana29 on Aug 1, 2009 15:58:25 GMT -5
ok John is gonna be on desperate housewives...im excited...but...does that mean Torchwood isnt gonna be making the 4th season soon...?? Carld2 don't apologize, you have the right to vent. I'm still upset over it. I like Ianto, it was sad to see him die in Jack's arms. The series was written well, but doesn't mean I am happy with it ;D Ailyne: Chances are the series 4 will start filming next year, since Eve Myles is pregant. Its funny, in livejounral board during series 2, there had been rumors that BBC wanted to revamp the show. Since there were rumors that the show was going to be moved to BBC 1 they wanted to make it more family friendly. there were rumors that they wanted the show to center around Gwen, and Jack only making special appearances. We thought it was funny, cause that would mean you would have to get rid off Tosh and Owen (they did) and Ianto (which they did now) and now Gwen is also pregant(family-friendlier). Now, i don't think its not that funny..lol someone made a joke over at the livejournal that series 4 would probably revolve around Gwen trying to handle motherhood and torchwood. John in D.H. I might start watching again!
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Post by Ailyne on Aug 1, 2009 21:27:00 GMT -5
yeah...but if they made torchwood revolve around gwen it would take the "juice" out of torchwood...im sure they would lose an EXTREME amount of viewing audience...they already have some people VERY VERY angry over the whole Ianto thing....you imagine if Jack became only a "special appearance" character...all hell would break loose lol...
Not saying i dont love Gwen...i do...she's funny and also makes the show what it is...but...Jack...is the most important aspect of Torchwood...without him as the main it...wouldn't be torchwood anymore...
DH...lol...a lot more peeps are gonna start watching!! lol
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Post by ivaniv on Aug 2, 2009 3:59:36 GMT -5
I knew that he was the face of Boe He mentioned once in an episode that he was called that on his home planet and the face of Boe has been alive for like forever. He does look kinda cute as a giant head with no body But it's possible that they just called him that because he lived as long as the real thing. About RTD not killing Rose, he does not kill main characters on DW, it's a kids' show. He said so himself I think. TW is a different matter and as sheepiefarm pointed out it's about Jack's immortality, he saw his teams die again and again.
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Post by carld2 on Aug 2, 2009 9:48:10 GMT -5
If the story is only about Jack's immortality and seeing people slaughtered, then there's no point in doing the show, because it will be the same storyline again and again and again, to the point where they have to kill people off for no other reason then it's time to see Jack look sad again. The deaths will ring more and more hollow, as I think happened in CoE. If that is the central premise of the show, then that makes Jack a monster, because he is knowingly sending generations of people to their deaths, and in cases like Ianto, for pointless reasons. The only way he doesn't look like a monster is if the show is not all about oh look, he's going to outlive everyone again, these poor fools are on their way to body bags, if it's about some sense of optimism and complexity and life.
Torchwood has repeatedly brought back characters who were dead, yet now he acts like the idea is anathema to him. I don't even want them to bring Ianto back, not after all this controversy, but it's silly to suddenly act like this never happens. He wants fans to have a reaction to Ianto's death, yet tries to make them feel bad (to the point of dismissing those who raised several thousand pounds for Children in Need as "nine hysterical women") for having the reaction. I don't believe his not killing Rose is just because she was a main character. He is a big fan of her character and she's his Mary Sue. As Gwen is on Torchwood. It's the same set of principles. She's wonderful. Three or four men are in love with her. She is noble because of her love for the central male character.
RTD has a right to do what he wants but I don't think that is the same as repeatedly insulting fans, dismissing them, and trying to distract by dividing people (saying Jack/Ianto fans hate Gwen/Rhys). In my opinion he has made this all about himself, and dwindled any minimal impact Ianto's death even had.
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Post by ivaniv on Aug 2, 2009 10:26:57 GMT -5
I think that Jack feels like a monster atm, that's why he ran away. He made some decisions and he will have to live with their consequences forever. And I guess this wasn't the first time something like that happened.
As for bringing people back from dead, I must admit I don't remember every single DW RTD episode, but as I remember it, he's quite pro-death and if he wants some character to live at the end, he does not kill them in the first place. It's Steven Moffat and his mantra "Everybody lives" who first stages a massacre and then reverses it at the end, now that's cheap and wrong. As for TW, RTD was credited as a creator, not as a head writer in 2 first series, but even then, bringing from dead had consequences, Owen was basically a walking corpse. If that happened to Ianto what would that make of Jack. Anyway, this third series felt to me like a creator's intervention to change or even finish TW.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Aug 2, 2009 13:09:43 GMT -5
If the story is only about Jack's immortality and seeing people slaughtered, then there's no point in doing the show Isn't the "story" about Aliens coming to Earth Ianto was only a minimal character in the first series who was never seen outside of the TW complex. It wasn't till series two that his role was expanded to be part of the away team. RTD's first offering, QAF, was restricted to two series and because of that it remains intact in it's quality. My impression was always that TW would follow a similar route - otherwise it would get too soapy and the intricacies of the characters would supercede the main event which is aliens coming to Earth. Even in CoE the Alien contingent of the story was more hinted at than actually visually shown on screen. It was always my impression from CoE that this was the catalyst that sent Captain Jack away from Earth and into travelling the Universe as depicts his role in DW.
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Post by carld2 on Aug 2, 2009 22:16:51 GMT -5
Ianto was part of the away team in the first series. He went with them in the episode about cannibalism.
So far, every main character but Jack and Gwen has been killed off, and I think for increasingly shallow reasons. If you have to telegraph your deaths and tell people you're only doing this to get a reaction, then the purpose is defeated. I don't think it helped that, at least for me, Ianto's death was almost immediately overshadowed. At least when Tosh and Owen died, there was far more of a sense of lingering loss, especially when Jack/Gwen/Ianto were in the DW three-parter last year. Now death has become a crutch. Death here. Sad now. Cue weepy music. Then we just wait for the next death and the next moment of sadness.
Torchwood is about aliens coming to Earth but Torchwood was also about seeing people live their lives, seeing what they do in their own time, how the job affects them. That was one of the cornerstones of the first series. Since then, it seems to be moving more towards, "They all die. The end." I don't believe Jack is a strong enough character or that this premise is strong enough to match up to their expectations. I think the show was much better off when they didn't focus on the concept of everyone dying and Jack is all alone. When they do this, then I think an easy interpretation can me, "Then stop recruiting people to be killed and just leave for good."
I think they would be better off writing him out for good, bar some appearances on DW, and having Gwen as the head of Torchwood. I don't see how they can go back to the old Jack and I don't know how they can ever top the carnage in CoE if they want to continue with the current Jack.
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Post by woowoo1 on Aug 11, 2009 14:36:41 GMT -5
If the story is only about Jack's immortality and seeing people slaughtered, then there's no point in doing the show Isn't the "story" about Aliens coming to Earth Yes and no. Aliens do come to Earth, but Gwen's problem with TW in series 1 was that the TW gang treated victims of the aliens like aliens themselves. She was the one said that said they were supposed to care about the humans, respect and protect them. Series 1 was all about the character aspect, mixed in with aliens and space junk. He started out as a tiny character just for answering the door and cleaning, but due to the fans falling in love with him, they gave him a larger part. Obviously the fans were going to be upset if they killed him, especially after killing two other characters 5 episodes before.
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Post by Bonobochick on Aug 11, 2009 19:05:47 GMT -5
Is that something RTD or the writers have said on record (and if so, where did they state that?) about Ianto's increased screentime over the seasons or is that just an opinion of why his time increased?
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Post by nana29 on Aug 11, 2009 22:09:55 GMT -5
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Post by davedoty on Aug 12, 2009 0:20:17 GMT -5
I'd recommended CoE to one of my friends who has't watched any Torchwood or Who, and didn't even know the basic premises. I told her to skip the first two seasons, since they aren't needed for comprehension and aren't as good. I likened it to the difference between first season Buffy and good Buffy.
When I asked her what she thought of it, she told me she'd ignored my advice and started at the beginning. Fortunately, she did take my Buffy analogy to heart, and with those lowered expectations, she wound up really enjoying season one. So yay for right-sized expectations!
Now I've promised to put together a "Who sampler" to give her an idea of the show's scope. That's going to be tough.
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Post by carld2 on Aug 12, 2009 10:22:35 GMT -5
I thought most of the second season was better than CoE. So were a few episodes in the first. The first few episodes of CoE were strong but then the fourth and fifth weren't as good because of the lack of followup or emotion with what Jack went through, and Ianto's death. And the miscasting of Jack's daughter marred a number of key emotional scenes.
I do see where fans who just started with Torchwood because of CoE may not care for the first two seasons. The show was very different, more heart, more sympathetic characters, and the first season had too much sex.
That's very nice of GDL to comment. I hope he can get a great job soon.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 18, 2009 12:50:56 GMT -5
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Post by carld2 on Oct 21, 2009 22:24:59 GMT -5
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 7, 2010 15:22:09 GMT -5
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Post by Ailyne on Jun 8, 2010 0:28:13 GMT -5
im excited i miss my Jack and cant wait to watch him on Starz...though i will miss Ianto forever
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Post by kevinlantojack on Jun 8, 2010 17:02:55 GMT -5
I was about to disconnect my Starz glad I did not I hope Jack finds away to bring my Lanto back
Thanks for posting the information
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Post by Bonobochick on Jul 19, 2010 12:03:41 GMT -5
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Post by syione on Aug 9, 2010 14:53:00 GMT -5
Late coming to the party.Again! I now have to put Torchwood back on my netfilx list. Should I watch the entire season or does anyone have any suggestions?
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Post by jblaze08 on Aug 23, 2010 1:58:03 GMT -5
Late coming to the party.Again! I now have to put Torchwood back on my netfilx list. Should I watch the entire season or does anyone have any suggestions? You should watch the whole season... because I know I am ;D.. I need a refresher course ...
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Post by syione on Sept 2, 2010 6:58:00 GMT -5
Okay its official I'm in love with Capt Jack. Watched the whole first season(thanks netflixs and nintendo wii) and now its on to the second season.
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Post by syione on Sept 24, 2010 10:14:08 GMT -5
Best line ever!!!!!!!!!!! Gwen: Have you ever had alien meat? Capt. Jack: Yes Gwen: How was it? Capt. Jack: Well, He seemed to enjoy it! OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by boyswillshagboys on Sept 26, 2010 4:57:42 GMT -5
My favourite line is from CoE. Ianto has just had a heart to heart with his sister about the handsome man he was seen around town with, and they've agreed to keep it all on the downlow. Then her husband bounds in the room and cheerfully cries : "Hi hi, gay boy. So you take it up the arse now?"
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