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Post by harmonium on Jun 12, 2009 4:52:31 GMT -5
davedoty & Bonobochick: I do agree with what you guys said. They look good as a couple, but they don't really send the vibes of a lovey-dovey couple. It somehow does look like they put Ianto with Jack for the sake of putting them together. It's like I get more romantic vibes between Gwen & Jack, rather than from Jack & Ianto. But I'm only at episode 5 of season 2, so I don't know how things developed between Jack & Ianto. I think the reason for not developing their relationship properly at the beginning (which is kinda of a downfall) because maybe this show is more dealing with them saving the world, rather than focusing on their inter-personal relationships so I guess they didn't wanna elaborate too much on Ianto & Jack. And I find that a little wasted and uncomprehending coz we didn't actually get to see what actually sparks their interests in each other and how their feelings come about. I mean with Gwen, you can see they are always together doing the fighting together, so it is understandable that feelings are developed between both of them. But with Ianto and Jack, it's like a background thing and it's left to viewers to do the imagination. It's not shown that explicitly. Hopefully season 3 will be good.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jun 12, 2009 18:19:12 GMT -5
I kinda like the subtlety of Jack & Ianto - it's just an understated unspoken "thing" between them. You have to bear in mind that it was considered pretty daring to have the lead character in a primetime BBC show as bisexual (probably more taboo than gay these days) - hence the reason more "on-screen" sexual tension between Gwen & Jack. I also think it is unlikely that there will be any further developments between Jack & Ianto other than the "alluded to" love that we have already seen. It would be difficult to continue a full blown relationship between the main character and a secondary character throughout further series (if there are going to be anymore) without restricting the allure & appeal that Captain Jack has over those around him (a major selling point of the character). I think one of the shows main aims is to present itself as a sci-fi series rather than become a soapy drama.
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Post by harmonium on Jun 13, 2009 15:25:23 GMT -5
I have just finished Season 2. And it's such a pity that they have to kill off Toshiko. The last scene was heart-breaking. Sighxxx. I wonder they will bring her back somehow. The character was interesting and Naoko Mori has done a great job in the show. I'm gonna miss her.
And I've got to say Gray is so CUTE (and I've found out he did a gay short film that I have watched previously and he sort of buff up alot) but I hated his role in the show.
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Post by nana29 on Jun 26, 2009 23:18:45 GMT -5
cute short behind the scenes of series 3, which appears to kick off in the U.K. on July 6th.
clip does contain spoilers
also i am not sure if anyone has posted the dates for the upcoming radio show starting July 1st. RADIO TORCHWOOD Asylum 1st July 2.15pm Golden Age 2nd July 2.15pm The Dead Line 3rd July 2.15 All on BBC Radio 4
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Post by nana29 on Jun 27, 2009 13:15:29 GMT -5
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Post by softfurbear on Jul 3, 2009 10:33:33 GMT -5
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Post by maya on Jul 3, 2009 12:45:39 GMT -5
thank you for sharing
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Post by davedoty on Jul 4, 2009 11:14:06 GMT -5
Did anyone else listen to the Torchwood audio plays that came out on BBC Radio? There's a page on Afterelton's Torchwood forums that provides links to places you can hear them, even if you're not in the UK.
I was a little afraid to listen to the final story, since everyone was talking about how choked up they were by Ianto's "brilliant speech" in it, but I actually wound up being quite pleased with it. The writer must have really known what he was doing to please both the hardcore shippers AND me, with my opinions stated above.
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Post by softfurbear on Jul 5, 2009 0:50:18 GMT -5
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Post by nana29 on Jul 5, 2009 21:55:25 GMT -5
if anyone is just in Ianto's speech, its the speech and then it jumps to the end.
I can't wait for tomorrow! well to read people's reaction to the ep. I'll admit I'm a Jack and Ianto fan, something just drew me to them as a pairing. Though I do like the way the writers are portraying them, i like the subtlely approach to them, it is a sci-fi show first hand, so I think in any case the romance aspect of the show will always be background story to the main plot.
I have enjoyed how the characters have developed from the begining from Gwen to Ianto. I've come to like Gwen more, in series one she got on my nerves, I think they over used her. I love her banter with Ianto in series two, and in the radio plays. They have great chemistry.
I can't wait, hopefelly they ratings are excellent and they can start working on series 4!
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Post by davedoty on Jul 5, 2009 22:58:58 GMT -5
There may be more issues than just ratings on whether there's a fourth season. Since a new producer in charge of the entire Who franchise, it will be up to him whether (and how) Torchwood fits into that franchise. He could okay it and leave RTD in charge, or he could take it over himself (or put one of his own people in charge) with or without major changes, or he could decide to streamline the franchise and axe it.
Frankly, while I like the show, there's an argument to be made for a slim, focused franchise. Three shows (with an unofficial fourth on its way) is just... a lot.
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Post by nana29 on Jul 5, 2009 23:11:39 GMT -5
There may be more issues than just ratings on whether there's a fourth season. Since a new producer in charge of the entire Who franchise, it will be up to him whether (and how) Torchwood fits into that franchise. He could okay it and leave RTD in charge, or he could take it over himself (or put one of his own people in charge) with or without major changes, or he could decide to streamline the franchise and axe it. Frankly, while I like the show, there's an argument to be made for a slim, focused franchise. Three shows (with an unofficial fourth on its way) is just... a lot. well i hope it, i would prefer more eps, but a five part series is good. Considering that scripts for series 4 have already started being written is a good sign. Their were also rumors that if BBC doesn't pick it up, that BBC America would (even Gareth made of mention of these in of the expos, i read in lj) the show has been a success here.
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Post by davedoty on Jul 5, 2009 23:26:09 GMT -5
well i hope it, i would prefer more eps, but a five part series is good. Considering that scripts for series 4 have already started being written is a good sign. Their were also rumors that if BBC doesn't pick it up, that BBC America would (even Gareth made of mention of these in of the expos, i read in lj) the show has been a success here. But again, that would require approval from Steven Moffat, the new head of the Dr. Who franchise. I'm not saying he WON'T approve it, I just don't think he's said anything either way. Right now, he's probably focused entirely on getting series 5 of Dr. Who launched properly. But regardless of numbers, in the UK, America, or anywhere else, it's going to need approval from the head office in Cardiff to get made. We probably won't get word on that until series 5 of Who is in the can.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jul 6, 2009 16:19:09 GMT -5
WHOOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!! Just watched the first epi of Torchwood and it's fan-bloody-fucking-tastic!!!!!!! I love, love, love, loved it. spoiler coded waffle about it: There was quite a lot of subtle undertones about Janto being a "couple" and we got a kiss near the end Ianto "kinda" came out to his sister We discover Jack has a daughter who's the same age as himself - and a grandson Not an alien in sight but the whole epi was tense, confusing, twisted and I CAN'T WAIT FOR TOMORROW!!!!.
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Post by nana29 on Jul 6, 2009 16:43:36 GMT -5
WHOOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!! Just watched the first epi of Torchwood and it's fan-bloody-fucking-tastic!!!!!!! I love, love, love, loved it. spoiler coded waffle about it: There was quite a lot of subtle undertones about Janto being a "couple" and we got a kiss near the end Ianto "kinda" came out to his sister We discover Jack has a daughter who's the same age as himself - and a grandson Not an alien in sight but the whole epi was tense, confusing, twisted and I CAN'T WAIT FOR TOMORROW!!!!. i'm jealous i can't wait two weeks!! give till tonight to post my reaction lol...im still jelous though ;D ;D ETA: to quote Gwen Cooper, that was "Bloody Spectacular!" ( Im paraphrasing:) Spoilers: Janto fan-girl first, loved it!! though I can see problems arising for them in the future already, then again it is Torchwood. I am enjoying that we are getting more character history on both Ianto and Jack. The conversation with his sister, was sweet. So sweet for Gwen, that she is pregant, can't wait to see when Rhys finds out!!
The Children freaked me out, but can't wait to see where the story goes! the ending was fantastic, Ianto not wanting to leave Jack,
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Post by davedoty on Jul 7, 2009 3:03:12 GMT -5
I'm a little curious about what kind of viewership makes up our Torchwood board. Are you primarily Torchwood fans, or were you Who fans first? If you were Who fans first, when did you first get into it? Classic series, or the new one?
I remember watching the show sporadically as a very young child, but I first became a hardcore fan in 1985, at the age of 14. I had just moved to the Dallas area, and the Dallas PBS station was splicing the multipart stories into a movie length Saturday night feature. (It also helped that it came on after my mom went to bed, so I was able to watch it alone.) Technically, I came onto the show during the year and half gap in the middle of the 6th Doctor run, but it was mostly reruns of older Doctors.
It's been my favorite show ever since.
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Post by illimen on Jul 7, 2009 8:36:23 GMT -5
Captain Jack Harkness and Ianto Jones in Torchwood : Children of Earth Day One.
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Post by maya on Jul 7, 2009 8:37:34 GMT -5
thank you so much for the video
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Post by nana29 on Jul 7, 2009 11:20:20 GMT -5
I'm a little curious about what kind of viewership makes up our Torchwood board. Are you primarily Torchwood fans, or were you Who fans first? . Torchwood fan first, Dr. Who fan second can't wait for tonights episode! i can probably post some screencaps if i work my VLC player correctly but that would be pushing it in regard to spoilers, i guess since i can beige those out..lol
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Post by Memnoch on Jul 7, 2009 12:43:43 GMT -5
I watched the first Ep of the new Doctor Who and totally hated it. It was the one, where the Doctor met Rose. I thought the show was silly and boring. It felt more like a fan-made video than the work of a Studio behind it.
One year later, Torchwood started here, and I totally loved the show. I didn't know it was a DW-Spin-off at first. When the first episode was finished, I searched the net and found out, that it's a spin-off and that Jack was actually introduced in DW. So I decided to re-watch DW. I still didin't like the first ep. So I skipped a few eps and started the show with the arrival of Jack.
When I finished Season 1(Series 1) I was totally in love with the show. So I rewatched it and started with ep 1 again. (Still my most hated ep form all 4 seasons).
Now, I would place DW over TW. But I adore both shows. I totally Love Rose and 10th. Doc. I didn't like Ecclestone in the role. He was over-playing and stiff, whereas David Ten is bloody brilliant.
But, back to topic:
I really enjoyed Day one. Great episode, even though I missed Tosh and Owen. Jack and Ianto are great as a "couple". It's really a shame that apparently neither Mickey nor Martha joined the team. I really thought they would, after what we saw in DW 4x13 in the end.
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Post by aac on Jul 7, 2009 15:27:34 GMT -5
I just saw Day One and am still excited from it. I'm a little confused as to who everyone is, but I assume that'll get explained. (Either that or it's Doctor Who knowledge I'm missing. I've seen very little of the new Doctor Who, aside from the first two episodes, which I've inexplicably seen far more times than they're worth.)
Specifics: I was initially a bit put out by Ianto's "It's not men" because it felt like they were unwilling to go further, but upon reflection, I think it's probably realistic.
The bit about English not being to world's most widely spoken language made me love Ianto all the more.
So, if I've got things straight, Torchwood are under the impression that it's an alien force setting the children off, but the government know it's the 4-5-6, who, by the looks of things, are human? (I'm assuming the people who've blown the hub up are the 4-5-6, but they're not because that was ordered by the Home Office. So now I'm really just a bit confused.)
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Post by dorothy on Jul 7, 2009 20:05:51 GMT -5
I really wish they could have aired this season simultaneously on BBC and BBC America. I can't resist the clips from Day One that are being posted, but overall I'd rather stay unspoiled. (Thanks to everyone for blanking out spoiler info, by the way!) So maybe I'll be semi-spoiled...
Davedoty, to answer your question, I've never been a DW fan, but I really like Torchwood and have seen every episode (well, through season 2). I've only ever seen a couple of DW episodes. I do like David Tennant, though.
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Post by carld2 on Jul 7, 2009 20:40:41 GMT -5
There may be more issues than just ratings on whether there's a fourth season. Since a new producer in charge of the entire Who franchise, it will be up to him whether (and how) Torchwood fits into that franchise. He could okay it and leave RTD in charge, or he could take it over himself (or put one of his own people in charge) with or without major changes, or he could decide to streamline the franchise and axe it. Frankly, while I like the show, there's an argument to be made for a slim, focused franchise. Three shows (with an unofficial fourth on its way) is just... a lot. What is the fourth show? I think Torchwood (at least if they keep the current characters -- I don't think I will watch if Ianto or Rhys are written out) could still stay on the air even if the main show moves on. They have enough talent behind the scenes to stay focused even if RTD moves on from Torchwood. I think having Torchwood and Sarah Jane Adventures helps make the Whoniverse more diverse and more for all types of viewers, which I think is good, especially since I find Steven Moffat to be a very exclusionary writer who may have a narrow appeal.
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Post by davedoty on Jul 7, 2009 23:11:11 GMT -5
The unofficial fourth is K-9. He's owned by his creator, so this show is being made without permission or participation of the BBC. It won't have any familiar Dr. Who characters or copyrights, just K-9. But still, it's K-9! The general public is going to see it as a Dr. Who spinoff anyway, and may contribute to a feeling of oversaturation.
(Incidentally, this show is why K-9 is used so sparingly on Sarah Jane Adventures. That's all the usage his owner would approve.)
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Post by davedoty on Jul 8, 2009 0:09:58 GMT -5
Also, forgot to comment on the rest of your post. I don't see your comment about Moffat being an "exculsionary" writer at all. He's written some of the most popular episodes of the series to date, not just among Who fans, but the general public. When everyone knew the new show had "made it" was when schoolyards were full of kids running around playing "are you my mummy?" the day after the episode aired.
Diversity is all well and good, but a bloated, swollen franchise tends to implode on itself. I'm just not sure how long a franchise can keep three (perceived four) shows in the public eye before people get sick of overexposure. Look how much people complain about overexposure of CSI or Law&Order.
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