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Post by bdc on May 3, 2010 12:06:40 GMT -5
Old episodefrom capitulo 58 Giselle's deathat 0:39 Lalo is with Candy and she's going to be discharged from hospital, Lalo finds a shoe with a high heel among Candy's stuffs and he doesn't seem really happy (i think it's something related to Giselle's offer to work with her as a botinera) at 09:56 there are Anguila chatting with Giselle, Lalo is there too listening to what they're saying. from the beginning Anguila and Giselle are still talking, Lalo interfers... at 01.17 Lalo threatens Giselle to kill her. at 03.12Manuel takes care of an angry Lalo in the locker room. at 06:49 During his traing, Lalo has a muscolar problem and leaves the club (fake or real problem???) at 03:53 Giselle opens the door to her murderer. at 07:30 Lalo comes back in haste in his bedroom, he seems agitated, rapidly he takes off his t-shirt....there's a red spot on it, Lalo wears another shirt and hides the other one in his bag... But even Tato and Nino...
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Post by bdc on May 3, 2010 12:43:48 GMT -5
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Post by cheerios on May 3, 2010 12:51:44 GMT -5
I think so Lalo doesn't strike me as a killer. I know he killed that one woman by accident when he was drunk.
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Post by bdc on May 3, 2010 12:58:24 GMT -5
I really don't know cheerios...but in all the comments I've read about Giselle's murderer ...Lalo is one of most mentioned with Marga.
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Post by bdc on May 3, 2010 13:04:40 GMT -5
Old Episode from capitulo 59
at 01:19 Manuel looks at Lalo while the tv gives the news about Giselle'death. Tato looks at Lalo, Lalo looks at Tato, Mirta looks both the guys.
at 02:54 Lalo, Tato, Manuel and Lili have dinner...Lalo seems absent, his thoughts elsewhere, Lili presses him with questions...and he runs away, Manuel stands up for him. We already know the end of this video....Lalo and Manuel's first kiss.
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Post by masonville on May 3, 2010 13:11:17 GMT -5
hey guys, I'm new and quite addicted to the Flaco /Lalo storyline thanks for the summary bdc I dont speak Spanish so I'd be lost without the subtitles from esmol and Black Angel I have a question, there's a clip showing Flaco in the showers watching another man (NOT Lalo); he's very angry looking Why was he angry and what happened between the two of them?
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Post by bdc on May 3, 2010 13:16:01 GMT -5
hey guys, I'm new and quite addicted to the Flaco /Lalo storyline thanks for the summary bdc I dont speak Spanish so I'd be lost without the subtitles from esmol and Black Angel I have a question, there's a clip showing Flaco in the showers watching another man (NOT Lalo); he's very angry looking Why was he angry and what happened between the two of them? Hi i don't think Manuel was angry, at all..but simply he liked the guy.
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Post by masonville on May 3, 2010 13:18:43 GMT -5
when did this incident occur? prior to him meeting Lalo? Is the man he was admiring still on the team? is the other man reciprocating the feelings...he looks like he's smirking at Flaco?
I must say that I'm glad the first time Flaco and Lalo had sex, it was more romantic rather than overtly sexual. If Flaco had approached Lalo, the way he's looking at the man in this clip, I think he would have scared him away Flaco looks at his wits end! He has said that he cant control what's happening to him with respect to needing homosexual relations. In this clip, his tension and need for sexual relief/release are almost palpable!
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Post by cheerios on May 3, 2010 13:41:20 GMT -5
I think he has the ability to kill, definitely if it was a passionate heat of the moment killing. But just something is telling me it wasn't him. It just seems too easy that it could be him that I don't think it is. And if I'm wrong I will be shocked.
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Post by Flaco&Lalo on May 3, 2010 13:51:29 GMT -5
hey guys, I'm new and quite addicted to the Flaco /Lalo storyline thanks for the summary bdc I dont speak Spanish so I'd be lost without the subtitles from esmol and Black Angel I have a question, there's a clip showing Flaco in the showers watching another man (NOT Lalo); he's very angry looking Why was he angry and what happened between the two of them? Welcome darling ! Manuel wasn't angry in that scene, but just horny ! LOL ;D
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Post by masonville on May 3, 2010 14:07:39 GMT -5
bdc and Flaco&Lalo thank you for responding ! Manuel certainly looks to be on the prowl but his body language comes off as angry ... his posturing screams "I'm sexually frustrated! I need to have this itch scratched ASAP" I get the impression the other man was just trying to irritate him Anyone know if they had sex?
I'm still interested in finding out when this scene occurred in relation to his introduction to Lalo
BTW, did you folks catch the Black Eyed Peas "BOOM BOOM POW" which was playing in the background in capitulo 85 when Nino was at the night club
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Post by Flaco&Lalo on May 3, 2010 16:10:21 GMT -5
Ok, after extensive research I found the part where Manuel is in the shower and he seems like he wants to kill the other (hot) guy.. (minute 5:35)
So this happend before Manu&Lalo's first kiss (episode 59). I guess the reason for making this scene so mysterious is that we don't know nothing about el Flaco's sexuality at this point; we also don't know what happend between the two, in the following scene Manu is chatting with el Chiqui..
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Post by Flaco&Lalo on May 3, 2010 18:32:14 GMT -5
A few scenes with English subtitles from episode 84: Thank you Emsol!
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Post by Ailyne on May 3, 2010 19:06:03 GMT -5
lol
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Post by bdc on May 3, 2010 20:50:16 GMT -5
bdc and Flaco&Lalo thank you for responding ! Manuel certainly looks to be on the prowl but his body language comes off as angry ... his posturing screams "I'm sexually frustrated! I need to have this itch scratched ASAP" I get the impression the other man was just trying to irritate him Anyone know if they had sex?I don't know but watching at 06:47 it seems that Manuel cannot sleep ;D Later (07:38) in the same video there's Candy raped by Mostaza
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Post by masonville on May 4, 2010 1:44:33 GMT -5
thanks again Flaco&Lalo, putting that shower scene in the context of the overall storyline really helps
I think in 84b Nino is very astute when he tells Flaco "If you keep doing whatever the hell you want you'll end up hurting everyone". He mentioned the implications to Flaco (& his career), Lili, the children and Lalo (& his career) BUT he didnt discuss the financial implications to the team which is his (Nino's) primary motivation
All that said, some of Flaco's scriptlines across this storyline imply that he isnt ready to make sacrifices and choose what is most important to him...he wants fate to take things to their conclusion Fate is NOT good at conflict resolution. Flaco respected Chiqui for standing up to Tato and doing what was right for him, now he needs to decide what is most important to him and do something about it.
What Flaco wants: -the accolades of being a star player -Lili and the children - he loves the children genuinely, he loves the companionship of this woman (they have spent 8 years together, and sexual satisfaction is only one aspect of a relationship) -physical fulfilment which he gets by having sexual encounters with men -Lalo...sure the sex if good but these two get more comfort from each than just pure sexual relief -he wants to stop covering up and be truthful about his sexual orientation...he just doesnt have the balls yet to come out and is in an environment where he is being manipulated to think that his honesty would wreck the lives of those he loves (children, Lalo etc) *vicious cycle much?!?!*
IT WONT BE EASY, but no one (especially fate) said that life had to be easy. People will get hurt. He will get hurt. All our actions have consequences....we may be able to delay outcomes but they are inevitable
If Flaco wants to be be in control of his life, he needs to sit down, be honest with himself and decide what is most important to him...he cant have everything. He must then make the necessary sacrifices...as must Lili, Lalo etc.
You'll notice, I'm not presumptious enough to think I know what he should do, because what's right is relative. All the players in this drama (Flaco, Lili, Lalo, Nino, Tato etc) have validity to their points of view and what's right for one is not necessarily right for the other....but there is truth to the statement "sometimes you have to love someone enough to let them go"
I'd love to read about other's thoughts ... it will help us pass the time until the next chapter which is tonight!!!
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Post by Flaco&Lalo on May 4, 2010 2:15:22 GMT -5
Part 27 is up (in Spanish). Scenes taken from episode 85, there's another part with scenes from this episode who will be posted later. Thanks Gordiyo for all your editing work!
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Post by Flaco&Lalo on May 4, 2010 4:30:04 GMT -5
Masonville, I agree with you, the way Manuel's character is written points out that he is genuinely scared of losing his family, but he's certainly in love with Lalo, as he repeats continuously, even to Nino.. It's also interesting to notice that el Flaco is at the end of his career (he went back playing for an Argentinian team after years in Europe), so if chooses to keep his mouth shut about his sexuality, it's because he doesn't want to damage Lalo's career, Manuel has less to lose at this point of his life, but he's also well aware of the implications of a public coming out. What surprises me the most about this telenovela is the frank portrayal of the football/soccer world, writers haven't spared us the hypocrisy and the homophobia that reign in that environment, let's hope they won't mess up their gay couple!
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Post by bdc on May 4, 2010 4:55:43 GMT -5
For the record, Candy didn't say anything to Lalo about the rape. She confided the abuse only to Mia (Laura Posse). Laura went to her senior officer asking to do something but as Candy didn't want to take action against him, the police couldn't do anything. Even Salgado agreed with the chief. A very angry Laura decided to act on her's own, she waited for Mostaza outside the club in her car with a steering lock in her hands, ready to take revenge. But someone else had the same idea. Salgado wearing a hooded jacket and a pair of big sunglasses to hide his face attacked Mostaza. After bashing him, Salgado left, but not before threatening him with a gun for what he did to Candy. In this moment Laura begins to love him (my opinion looking at her smile
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Post by Difficult Diva on May 4, 2010 5:47:12 GMT -5
Is Salgado the cute nerdy police officer wearing glasses?
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Post by bdc on May 4, 2010 6:00:32 GMT -5
Is Salgado the cute nerdy police officer wearing glasses? yes he is, DD
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Post by Flaco&Lalo on May 4, 2010 7:30:22 GMT -5
Part 25 is up with English subtitles. Thank you Kelly and Emsol ! Enjoy the drama!
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Post by Flaco&Lalo on May 4, 2010 7:33:24 GMT -5
Part 26 is up with English subtitles. Muchas gracias chicas ! the drama continues.. and jealous!Flaco
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Post by bdc on May 4, 2010 7:45:03 GMT -5
Parte 28 in Spanish
thanks to gordiyo08
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Post by bdc on May 4, 2010 12:51:01 GMT -5
I think that Manuel woundn't say anything about his turmoils to Lili if he hadn't fallen in love with Lalo. He lived a satisfying double life for so long... He was so lucky to do what he liked the most, being a football palyer and Manuel was one of the best , in and outside Argentina, loved by his fans, respectedby his rivals, appreciated, gorgeous, famous and rich. He had a beautiful, wonderful, smart wife. A mujer who loved him undoubtedly, following him everywhere his talent was required, always by his side and who gave him 2 lovely children. She spent her last 8 years living in the shadow of his husband. From the outside they looked like a perfect family.
But Manuel had a problem. Sometimes he wasn't able to resist to that special attraction he felt...luckly it didn't happen so often, just once in a while...not enough to let him questioning about his relationship with Lili.
Manuel wasn't the first jugador to be unfaithful, even his best friend Chiqui (married as well) was an incorrigible tombeur des femmes, but betraying his own wife with a man was quite different and less acceptable even if Chiqui already knew about Manuel's tastes. On the other hand how many times El flaco turned a blind eye to Christian's casual affairs?? A football team was like a big family, protecting each other's little dirty secrets from the outside.
Then the unexpected came to ruin the equilibrium of Manuel's life... falling in love with another man, not an ordinary man, but one of his teammates and to get things worse a man who lived under the same roof as his family. For the first time he came to terms with whom he really was, not only with his secret desires, because he already accepeted them, but this time his whole life was under discussion: love, family, career, future, social status. Meeting Lalo changed his life forever, nothing would be the same for him.
I think Lili wasn't only a screen for him, Manuel really loved her, she was the mother of his children, but theirs was not a sincere relationship from the beginnig as he had never been truly himself with her, always trying to hide his real needs.
Loving Lalo was different... easier stronger irresistible satisfying exciting and at the same time scaring.
Manuel gave him everything he had...first his heart, then his body and at last his soul and Lalo accepted to be with him, to love him. I think Manuel never felt so fragile and exposed before. Even if he tried to not hurt the people he loved the most that was what he did. Lili rejected him after finding out, on her own, his affair with Lalo, obviously, she couldn't go on or trust him anymore, Manuel had the chances to open up his heart to her so many times, but he never found the right way (guts) to do it and now it was too late. Trying to save his family, he kept Lalo away when he needed more his support. Lalo was too young and unsecure, to deal with his fears. At the end Lili left him, he lost his children, his career was at risk and everything seemed to going worse between him and Lalo.
I hope Nino wasn't right...there must be another scenario for them. Lots of football players are gay and are able to live their life even if in the closet.
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